A Pyrrhic Victory.
The woke mob finally got what it wanted yesterday, they finally hung a conviction on Donald Trump. We still, even after this sham trial verdict was rendered, have no idea what the secondary mystery crime was. The judge (illegally IMO) gave the jury the choice of three crimes to choose from and said they didn't need to agree on which ones. We have no idea of the breakdown on that. We don't even know if they were unanimous in what supposedly happened. There is a unanimity requirement and this will only be another item in the long list of reasons this outrageous case will ultimately be challenged & overturned.
There is a more serious matter that the nation has to deal with. This was a case of judicial malfeasance, a malicious prosecution. The democrats got away with it, which means it will happen again. It also may mean that should the political right attain power that they will likely also use the law in the same way against their opponents. Nobody should be happy about this, though we did see an unhinged level of glee from the degenerate Trump haters when the verdict was read. Many Americans were saddened, and some are angry, which leads us to what will be the effect on Donald Trump.
The last time we looked at polls it seemed that a conviction would take away from Trump's support. The next polls on the issue will tell the tale.
Will it hurt or help him politically?
Another question for those who weaponized the law: Was the price of corrupting the justice system worth giving Joe Biden the luxury of calling his opponent a convicted felon?
Maybe the left doesn't really care since many of them hate America anyway.
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Good morning.
On a more cheerful note:
Bruhat Soma, 12, from Tampa, Fla., won the Scripps National Spelling Bee. He prevailed in a rare spell-off, blazing through 29 difficult words in 90 seconds.
Bruhat Soma wins the National Spelling Bee after a slow night concludes with a sudden tiebreaker (msn.com)
Evening Vic...the brush tailed possums have just been and eaten the apple I left out for them..
Thought I would just throw that in..
Hopefully all is well down under.
Whatever you do, please don't let it happen there.
Evening..Never in a million years..
As I have said previously we are not that politically motivated to the extent where many of you mob are really obsessed with it..
Tonight we copped 15 minutes of Trump head line news here.. couldn't believe it dragged on for so long..15 minutes of my life I will never get back...one there is the mute button or two the on off button on the TV..
Your elections, your voting system, your candidates, it seems to be one big drama after another...and then after all that it's not compulsory..
If we get sick of it, can only imagine how you mob must feel..my commiserations..
It all began with a handful of professors from Frankfurt University.
If we get sick of it, can only imagine how you mob must feel..my commiserations..
Fair go, mate. You take care.
And on that note I must depart..it has gone midnight here and Trump is now literally yesterday's news for us...just the way we like it.
Have you had a Donald Trump (mentally ill malignant narcissist, pathological liar, lifelong crook) lead a political party in Australia ?
You cant understand it until you have experienced it.
Yes, they will never understand derangement like we now have in this country. Pure, unadulterated, hate filled derangement.
They say “good on ya” down under not “bad on ya” like some here can only do.
"This was a case of judicial malfeasance, a malicious prosecution. The democrats got away with it, which means it will happen again. It also may mean that should the political right attain power that they will likely also use the law in the same way against their opponents."
You can count on it. All the radical left has done is make a martyr out of Trump. They know in their hearts this travesty of justice is going to come back and bite them in the ass....it happens all the time
They got their "convicted felon", which won't matter much to the vast majority of the voters. The big problem for the progressives is that their puppet Biden is considered by millions to be a yet "unconvicted felon" and traitor.
That comment sounds entirely unhinged when read aloud!
Morning John.. actually we have but he never got to be Prime Minister thank heavens..but was Premier of the state of Queensland..
Joh Bjelke Peterson..
He was loud mouthed, corrupt, racist, obnoxious, troppo (nuts), a liar and a total embarrassment to the State and Country..plus there were riots in the streets up in Queensland due to him...
Just like Trump people loved him or hated him..he is now dead and buried and the country breathed a sigh of relief on that day..
I've been keeping my dancing shoes right next to the front door ...
Yup, the republicans are all about revenge and retribution over their own projection, deflection, denial + delusion along with the mindboggling defense of the indefensible.
Come on, shona1, you should appreciate it. Watching American politics unfold is more fun than watching a circus. I look forward to what I can watch about it on TV here, and read on the internet. And as for the NT Front (Home) Page, I realize that it's mostly a waste of time trying to keep a topic other than American politics visible, so instead of wasting a lot of time creating movie games or other totally esoteric to the membership topics like English Literature, Classic Cars and Boats, Physical and Cultural Views of other nations, I'm watching a movie and sometimes two movies a day, and later today my wife and I are going for a walk.
Well Buzz there is one good thing..
We are so far ahead of the States time wise, we can leave it all behind us..🤣🤣
you're lucky, oz won't let convicted felons get off the plane...
it's hilarious when trumpsters claim that some monolithic movement is to blame for the prosecution of trump's criminal acts, especially when their hero demands their unyielding loyalty under the threat of banishment
maybe that's because some trumpsters don't/can't recognize criminal activity
remind us again how michael cohen was prosecuted and why he served prison time...
which POTUS candidate is already campaigning on political revenge and retribution?
a significant victory for our constitution, due process, and equal justice under the law...
trumpsters need to ask themselves did trump break the law or not...
... maybe only the trumpster's warped concept and version of it.
Trump supporters know no borders, that they won't exploit, in an attempt to confuse the matter, as it is blatantly obvious on every screen, as the projectors of projection, are never noticed amongst their infection spread like a pandemic that will just go away, if we keep the bleach outta reach from those possibly too white and not alright. When people fail to accept the obvious, they must run with somehing, and perhaps scissors , could and/or would help, to cut through the LIES all should despise,
All while this verdict, due to affiliations, will only affect a too few, as the worlds greatest conspiracy, confusion, and illussion, continues to drag the cult along , over razor blades and broken glass, until they cut their asz!
the dairy queen comb over cult...
While the Prozac, Zoloft, ECT crew narrates …..
will remain intolerant of tolerance(and Lactaid acid they dropped}, convinced of convictions without evidence"lock her up, the election was stolen, well aint that golden....cause evidence that holds up in court, is what they cannot dispute, or overcome.
Prepare for the blizzard, coming pre November
... its an election year. I'm strapped and prepared to defend the constitution against domestic terrorists 24/7...
So you are going to leftist college campuses?
Or maybe they really care for America and that is why they celebrate when a grifter, liar and thief finally gets just a little bit of what is coming to him
I wouldn't classify those as target rich environments for domestic terrorism. probably texas...
how long has the former 'president's' revenge and retribution campaign been going on now? it seems like years
'a significant victory for our constitution, due process, and equal justice under the law . . .'
finally the big fat wannabe mob boss thug scum is finally being held accountable for something
Why not do your own math instead of asking others to do it for you? It’s simple addition, use your phone calculator if you need to.
it's just ridiculous when the former 'president' says if it happened to it that it could happen to anyone, no, only those who bought off porn stars to cover up their encounter and playboy bunnies to keep their mouths shut so as not to hurt his chances at erection, I mean, election
was it when it lost by a landslide which it has been lying about and denying about and projecting about ever since?
and inciting failed coups over?
or is it insurrection? same difference?
Insurrection, because that's what its' supporters/cult are threatening now - 'another insurrection
A Pyrrhic Victory? Nope! Trump suffered a humiliating defeat and now becomes our first twice impeached convicted felon ex-President!
A transformative presidency!
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Really ?
Maybe when you run out of memes you will actually make a real point about something.
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Oh no no no! A jury of honorable citizens unanimously found that Donald Trump is guilty of thirty four felony counts of criminal behavior related to and leading up to his 2016 run for the Presidency which contributed to his ill-gotten victory!
Since when have Democrats ever done anything by the Constitution?
Be nice if they would start following it and the law.
Remember Trump was originally a Democrat.
Honorable? From that Democrat bastion of stupidity?
Democrats need to learn what equal application is under the law.
Then they need to learn WTF a fair and impartial judge and jury is.
That's probably why they're so scared...
Not sure about honorable.
More than likely, because of the voter make up of New York City, they were nothing more than 12 unhinged, triggered Trump haters, who, like their leftist counterparts countrywide, have zero idea why they hate Trump......except that he beat their queen in 2016 and have not gotten over it yet.
I wouldn't go so far as disparaging the jurors. They did what was, in their mind, the best way out of this dilemma. They couldn't just pick one or even a few of the 34 as guilty and the rest not guilty, it had to be all or none.
One of the major problems was they weren't sequestered and went home to watch the news and got all kinds of opinions, not just the those salivating over a guilty verdict, but also those seeing and easy overturning through the appeals process. So to save NYC from burning and looting from a not guilty verdict they chose guilty and all the right and Trump supporters hit to the streets and caused huge amounts of destruction, wait a minute, no they didn't, but if they came back with not guilty, do you think the left would've just sat on their hands?
Remember, there was at least one maybe two lawyers in the jury, wouldn't you think that they had an influence on the verdict knowing a guilty verdict was ripe for an appeal which made it easier to come back with a guilty verdict? Hey, it was no skin off our noses and let the process sort it out, we're done.
I am sorry, no excuses for the TDS suffering jury from that Democrat controlled bastion of stupidity.
Whose fault is that? The Brandon donating TDS driven judge Merchan. He wanted a guilty verdict, and did everything in his power to get it. I am sure he and his daughter (and the company she works for) will benefit greatly from it.
That is called any day ending in a "y" in New York. Still no excuse.
So pervert the legal system and hope the appeals court does the right thing? What if it doesn't. Pray the federal court, or maybe the Supreme Court even, somewhere down the line does?
Sorry, but what they did would happen in China, Russia, Ukraine, Iran, Saudi Arabia, or any other dictatorship veiled as a Democracy. The US is supposed to be better. Democrats did that; and they are more than proud of themselves.
I think you might have your radical left, corrupt and conflicted, judges confused...
projection - cannon - mushroom lover
I find it interesting that lawyers are permitted to be jurors. In Canada they are not - not only because lawyers are going to be influenced in making a decision based on their knowledge of law, but could confuse it with the facts upon which their decisions are actually to be made, besides the fact that being lawyers they might have an undue inffluence upon the rest of the jurors. I was summoned to be a juror once (actually it was a case I would have loved to have been a juror for) but had to establish that I was ineligible or I could have caused a mistrial had I actually served.
A very sophomoric analysis ….
So what was that? Freshmaniacal? MAGA Middle School?
Trump was found Guilty of 34 Fucking Felonies yesterday!
All of which will be overturned.
On what grounds?
On covfefe grounds.
Common sense. Something most partisans and Biden supporters don't seem to grasp.
Of course, you offer nothing other than simplistic antagonistic quips.
Make a case. Show that you actually have an argument that would influence an appeals court.
If you cannot do that, you have no grounds to even suggest this would be appealed.
My opinion is just as important as yours. I KNOW it will be appealed because Trump has said he will appeal it.
There has been many legal experts whom have opined that there were quite a few reversible errors in the trial. The New York appellate court may let the conviction stand simply because they are New York justices and just as biased as Merchan, but the SC will definitely take an unbiased look at rule accordingly.
You claimed all counts will be overturned. Now you backtrack and pretend you only said Trump would appeal. We can all see what your wrote @2.3.2
For any question one can find those on the pro and on the con side. Your comment is of no meaning. Make an argument to back up your claim that all 32 counts WILL be overturned.
Have you noticed how Trump supporters are still claiming not to even understand the charges Trump was convicted of?
They have insisted upon not even trying to understand, at all!
It has been obvious for months now that they will never acknowledge any wrongdoing by Trump.
Trump is the presumptive nominee for the GOP. They will ignore reality and make absurd claims, pretend that hard facts of reality are undecided, etc. if they believe they are in some way defending Trump.
It works for Trump (most of the time).
...and trump never lies! LOL
maybe he'll actually testify in his own defense next time...
The failed impeachments didn't hurt Trump a bit. Neither will this sham trial
... especially not to his brain dead supporters, that hate the constitution, democracy, and america.
Why are you so down on Democrats? What have they done to you?
Democrats don't support him. They've all been crying about his since 201 / 2016.
Truncating devangelical's comment and responding to it as if he said something he didn't say is dishonest and childish.
Ummm, but I see it every day around here. I suggest if you are going to call out one person for this you really should call out everyone who does it. It happens frequently.
Who are you quoting?
So, your defense for using a childish and dishonest tactic is "But they act in a childish and dishonest manner, too"?
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Myself.
You and Snuffy responded to a deliberately truncated quote from devangelical. It is a dishonest tactic, and worthy of an elementary schoolyard.
Nope. Not citing anything for a defense, but calling out a mod for being one-sided. And you can ticket this if you want but IMO if you are going to call me out for what I did then you need to be fair and call out everyone else who does it, when they do it.
I am not using purple ink, and not acting as a mod. I'm calling out a childish and dishonest tactic on your part. And FWIW, I did so because I'm accustomed to seeing better behavior from you, and was disappointed.
When you see somebody else doing it, flag it.
Never said you were. It appears as it does when somebody is quoted. That is why I ask who you were quoting. Trying to make heads or tails of what you are trying to say.
You and Snuffy both engaged in the same tactic. I responded to him, then quoted my response as a response to you.
I was responding to Snuffy.
Partial quotes are okay unless they are used to change the meaning of the sentence. For example:
Trump is an irresponsible, pathological liar and traitor who should never be PotUS.
A partial quote of the above “Trump is an irresponsible, pathological liar and traitor …” as context to rebut the characterization of Trump is fair.
But a partial quote “an irresponsible, pathological liar” with a reply that shifts the subject from Trump to Biden is dishonest.
Yet we see it all over the place. All I was asking for was consistency.
So what about 2.4.9? Is that allowed?
We responded to a comment on an open forum. Your making a big deal because we left off "especiall"? Really?
Like quoting one person in a reply to somebody else?
Flag it if you find it objectionable. I can no longer moderate on this thread.
Uh huh....so in your mind, ~75.000.000 million Americans hate the Constitution, democracy, and America?
Doubling down on the dishonest tactic, I see. No, the objection was to leaving out words that allowed you to try to make devangelical's comment about Democrats rather than Trump supporters. But you know that already.
If you read back through carefully, you'll see that I was quoting to and responding to everybody with whom I have interacted here in an honest manner.
You and everybody here can see that Snuffy and Jeremy both left out words from Devangelical's comment about Trump supporters and responsed to him as if he were talking about Democrats. Do you not agree that the tactic is dishonest and childish?
I mean, even Snuffy, who was the one who did it, seems to agree that it is, but defends it with "others do it, too." He admits to what his intentions were when he did it. Do you disagree with his acquiescence?
Nope. Just calling out the petty bullshit. Seems you have a problem being called out.
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of course that is what he meant
We can all read what happened there, Jeremy. We all know devangelical didn't say what you implied that he said, and that that makes the implication dishonest.
No, you changed the people whom he (you deliberately misgendered him) to those whom you wanted those words to describe. And then you denied doing so, despite the whole thing playing out right here where everybody can see it.
And I was trying to illustrate how one might not recognize the nuance and deem "inconsistency!" when it may not be the case.
To wit, merely quoting a portion of a sentence is not, in itself, dishonest. If done honestly, it would be to provide the portion of the sentence that the reply applies to. As long as the reply does not attempt to distort the meaning of the full sentence (e.g. by switching the subject) then that is fine.
But when one leaves out important details and then substitutes their own details in the response, that is dishonest. That is the practice that Sandy identified.
We do. You're having a hissy fit because I left off "especially not to his".
He was talking about "brain dead supporters, that hate the constitution, democracy, and America" Only ones I know that do that are Democrats. Now if that bothers you, it's not my problem.
I wasn't asking you to moderate it, I was asking you in your position as a moderator if that was ok.
So, you admit you deliberately substituted your words for his, and are acting as if he said them, but you object to being called out on that dishonest and childish tactic.
I'm not the one having the hissy fit, Jeremy. I pointed out bad behavior on your part, and you are objecting strenuously, if ineffectively, to having it called out.
I would say that it is a sweeping generalization, and could be moderated as such.
I would also say that there are quite a few sweeping generalizations made here every day, and those who want them ticketed when made by the opposition should not bitch when those made by their own team are similarly ticketed.
Was the comment that started this @2.4.1 a sweeping generalization?
I didn't substitute any thing. Try reading what was actually posted (2.4.3)
Again, the only thing I left off was "especially not to his". Which doesn't change a goddamn thing.
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You implied his comment was about Democrats, and responded to it as such. That was a dishonest manipulation of his words, while ignoring the actual words he typed.
And you continue to double down and deny.
And we can all read the thread, and know who is using dishonest tactics, and who isn't, and whose comments are childish and emotion-driven, and whose aren't.
I don't imply anything. If I have something to say, I say it. You read something that wasn't there. And are upset it didn't go along with the narrative. Again, that is not my problem.
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As long as you are up to answering questions, at what point does repeated memes celebrating a verdict become taunting?
Do you see disagreeing with you politically as taunting, Vic?
I allowed two of them to post memes. When they continued, I flagged them. Someone allowed those taunts.
You know what I flagged. That wasn't discussion.
Okay, I agree. You seem to be taking issue with a members post, that was a sweeping generalization, being used to make a sweeping generalization. Yet I haven't noticed where that member has been chided in this thread..
Seems curious to me is all.
I haven't chided anybody for making a sweeping generalization in this thread, from either side.
The article is about Trump's conviction. You knew when you posted it that there would be plenty of people who agree with and will celebrate that conviction. Trump is not entitled to protection from people posting in agreement with the court. Dissension is not taunting.
Ok Sandy. Thank you for taking the time.
I do appreciate it.
Both absolutely true statements.
Don't them? Then stop supporting Democrats.
Right,... instead you told two others (presumably from the other side) that they were childish and dishonest for using the words of that post to make their own generalization. Like I said, just seems curious..
What they did was childish and dishonest. It was also a sweeping generalization, but I did not chide them for that. I spoke specifically to the childish and dishonest tactic. And you seem to have a problem with that. Why does it bother you that I called out a childish and dishonest tactic? Do you support the use of childish and dishonest tactics?
Dev's comment was obviously and plainly about Trump's supporters, not a bit about Democrats. You interpretation is simply wrong, in my opinion.
Good grief, Greg, I never said Dev's comment was about Democrats.
I said that Snuffy and Jeremy truncated it and then responded to it as if it was about Democrats.
Because that's what they did.
Shouldn't someone lock this thread for you inciting other members to taunt, calling them out by name, and tit for tat trolling?
I know you would have done it had you been acting like as a mod.
I haven't incited anybody to taunt anybody.
I've pointed out the use of a dishonest tactic.
Do you support the use of dishonest and childish debate tactics?
Not when a mod should use what tools they have to not keep up the back and forth. Continuing to answer does not accomplish this. Mods are supposed to be above this type of actions.
You evaded the question, bugsy.
I called out dishonesty. I didn't do it in the way you might have liked, but I am not required to do so. I think we all know there is no way I could have done so in a manner that would have satisfied you, so there is no point even trying. But that does not mean that I have to allow dishonest comments to stand without remarking on them. And I am allowed to participate here as a member, and not just as a moderator.
But hey, we get it. It really bothers you that I called out dishonesty. The dishonesty itself, not so much.
The dishonesty is a mod carrying on a thread where anyone else would have been ticketed for taunting. Like you have told us multiple times, if you don't like what was written, just walk away from it and it will probably save you from being ticketed.
Shame that you do not see your biases.
I have been honest and aboveboard in this entire exchange.
I don't tell anybody to walk away if they don't like what was written. That would silence debate. I tell them they can ticket it if it is an offense, or respond within the CoC. Or, if they like, they can walk away. I responded within the CoC.
I'm going to take the high road and walk away from this.
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how'd you do? most of mine took...
btw, you're welcome for those 50+ comments that my comments generated...
2.4.54 was responded to by member addressed; therefore, it stays in play.
I think at least 34 memes about a guilty verdict = 34 guilty counts is appropriate and anymore than that, okay
lol
You are right, it is laughable.
I'd say fairly well.
I made a point and I have a certain site policy being reevaluated.
And no, you weren't even involved.
yeah well, after decades in sales I can tell you that if you didn't close the deal then, you don't have one now...
as I've stated to you here for years, I'm willing to discuss a compromise between us in the public forum anytime...
YOU are always honest and aboveboard in every single exchange
Thank you, Tessy.
I'm always correct
Yes, you've proved that / S
Don't forget an adjudged rapist....
That would be Bill Clinton.
Reading is fundamental..
adjudge
verb
ad·judge ə-ˈjəj
adjudged; adjudging
Synonyms of adjudge
transitive verb
1
a
: to decide or rule upon as a judge : ADJUDICATE
b
: to pronounce judicially : RULE
Not a convicted felon, like trump is.
DT : The Man Who Shot Conservative Respect For The Rule Of Law
The National Rifle Association scored a major victory at the Supreme Court Thursday, as the justices unanimously ruled that appeals judges were too quick to dismiss the NRA’s claims that New York officials violated its First Amendment rights by targeting its insurance business.
The decision reinstated a lawsuit the NRA filed in 2018 against New York state’s top financial services regulator, Maria Vullo, after she announced a plan to pressure banks and insurance companies to stop doing business with the gun-rights organization.
Supreme Court revives NRA’s lawsuit alleging that New York violated its First Amendment rights - POLITICO
That's going to have the anti-gun nut setting their hair on fire.
The solution is to delegitimize the Court.
That is what they are doing.
They have dealt them some stinging verdicts and opinions.
Remember how the Court struck down Biden's student loan forgiveness program?
Biden says where there is a will, there is a way.
"Praying for my friend, praying for this nation! People need the Lord!"
Alveda C King
Take your pick (its a binary choice)
We don't choose Brandon the career criminal traitor.
No matter how hard Democrats pervert the law and Constitution to try and stay in power.
Pervert. A perfect description considering who we are talking about.
I wouldn't be surprised to find out Biden molested more underage girls than Epstein.
True, his hair sniffing fetish may speak to worse things.
we aren't surprised, about what you wouldn't be surprised by.
When taken is the word of a consistent liar and truth denier, Taken over our courts, our scientists, our Generals, and over our rights, if we do not take a stand and sit it out...
Thank you. You just described Brandon perfectly.
the projection is palpable with some - confusing President Biden with former 'president' #45
People need the lord? The lord is feckless, impotent, and incapable of making change, despite its reputation of omnipotence. Throw away the broken crutch already.
She's a nobody - shameful - spoiling, shitting on the family name and honor and legacy of Martin Luther King, Jr., like jfk, jr.
Did you read what she said?
complete waste
Paid supporter?
Do you know who she is?
paid supporter
and a nobody
5.3
Do you?
A broadcasters trade association is pulling a philanthropy award it had planned to give to Robert De Niro after the actor bashed former President Donald Trump on behalf of the Biden campaign earlier this week.
The National Association of Broadcasters has revoked its award and invitation to the Celebration of Service to America awards event to De Niro because the group thought his recent work and comments on behalf of the president’s re-election campaign would “create a distraction.”
Broadcasters association revokes service award for De Niro over his remarks slamming Trump (nypost.com)
Hope the Brandon campaign paid him well for his piss poor performance outside of the courthouse.
Sounds like he will be part of the struggling former star actors guild for the foreseeable future.
I am sure that De Niro is devastated by the news... <sarc>
I am sure he is devastated by the loss of money from his acting. He needs all of the good publicity he can get.
Man really needs to pay his taxes, alimony, and child support.
Leftist = exempt
You do realize that Trump has boasted about not paying his taxes...Right?
There's certainly a lot to be said for the idea, as Daniel Friedman wrote, that a DA of a Democratic city should not be charging the Republican presidential nominee with an esoteric crime that nobody has ever been charged with before in an election year. It could help Trump like the Kavanaugh hearings helped Republicans. Or Maybe independents will say this is the straw that breaks the camel's back and vote Biden. But I doubt it.
I'd be surprised if there's much movement in the polls now and what effect there is will wear off as other events surpass this one closer to the election. Trump will make a lot of money fundraising in the short term. That's about it.
Or it could trigger a "moment of truth" for the American people - Trump is not fit to hold any public office. Anywhere. Ever.
The polling I saw earlier in the week said there is a two percent gap between whether a conviction will decrease or increase the likelihood of a voter voting for Trump. It was about 17% decrease, 15% increase and 65% no change.
Donald Trump is clearly not fit to be the head of a small town sanitation dept. , let alone president of the United States. This is , at this point, indisputable.
What will the "good" people in the middle and on the right do about that now?
The problem, which has been obvious for years, is that Joe Biden isn't either. Whoever is elected in 2024 will be a truly terrible, unfit President.
Democrats are so obsessed and blinded by their Trump hatred that they (1) are blind to Biden's manifest faults (2) don't seem to realize Trump's winning because a large percent of his voters don't like him but believe the the modern left is so evil that voting for Trump is the only option.
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Trump is "winning" because a lot of people have been brainwashed into believing they are losing "their" country to diversity.
That is the only reason he was ever accepted as a candidate in the first place. He was the king birther.
Keep trying to demonize half the country. You can join Hillary in the penalty box.
So your theory to explain Trump losing white voters and gaining among minorities and the young is that those groups are afraid of diversity?
It's a perfect example of what I'm saying. You are so invested in your anti-Trump narrative that you don't pay attention to what's actually happening.
When Donald Trump announced for the presidency in June of 2015 it was already well know that he is a pathological liar and a mentally ill narcissist. In 2015 he had already been involved in thousands of lawsuits related to business. He had already promoted racist birtherism against Obama.
Why was he accepted in 2015? Biden was nowhere in sight and Clinton was not the Democratic nominee yet.
Obama was president. The first black president who the not yet realized MAGA movement hated. Get the picture yet ?
Donald Trump wanted to run for president in 2012 , but in 2011 had no constituency in the Republican party. He looked at birtherism and decided he could gather a following by being a racist birther leader.
Why would that be?
Four years later the same dynamic was still in play among conservative voters. The rest is , sadly, history.
Trump is the demonizer, not his critics who see him for the POS he has always been
I get the picture. Trump, who according to most of my friends on the left had no path to the Presidency, had the temerity to beat your chosen one.
The derangement has only accelerated since. Hillary is so proud of her useful idiots. So proud.
Nah, the great divider Obama and his puppet the great divider 2.0 …. Biden, make Trump look like Ghandi …..
So you look at trumps growing support among minorities and young voters and think birtherism explains it.
sure.
no one cares where Obama was born or what trump said more than a decade ago about it. No one. It’s like believing Biden’s support of the Iraq war hurts him with progressives. It’s all ancient history at this point.
Donald Trump's entire political career has been originated and based on white grievance.
That comment is based on uninformed, bigoted nonsense.
Square that with his appeal to minorities.
That's obviously wrong, there is definitely a group of butthurt liberals who are still whining about it.
And that was the day the left lost their minds. 9 years later he still lives rent free in their heads and they are still crying about him.
That's only your emotional opinion, and is not supported by reality, critical thinking, logic, reason, or facts.
4,095 to date. 2121 as the plaintiff and 1974 as the defendant.
Sweeping generalization.
You think Democrats aren't?
At least Trump didn't weaponize the DOJ, FBI, CIA, and IRS. Nor have Republicans engaged in lawfare against their political opponents. They also didn't try to keep Brandon off of state ballots during a federal election for no damn reason.
Biden actually does what Democrats accuse Trump of doing. .
Democrat donors rallying around the trump conviction. (s)
Not to mention ordering the execution of American citizens without due process.
I predict the donations are going to flow in.
I read some reporting this morning that the Trump campaign donations website crashed yesterday due to the heavy number of people trying to donate.
Isn't this what politics in our country is all about? Something happens and BOTH sides use it for fund raising. The Biden campaign is also using the verdict to raise money. Oy...
Heard this morning, $39million in a ten hour period............
It was actually 6 hours according to the news...
That dollar amount doesn't include the large donations to PACs and the like, this was all small dollar donations and almost 30% were new donars.
Talk about making some lemonade!
I do love Monday morning predictions ...
And I love all the trolling.
Which proves that most trump supporters are stupid... why would these losers give a billionaire money? It's just plain dumb. Besides, trump said he is 100% self funded.
/eye roll/
Only a year ago:
Yesterday, trump is convicted on all 34 counts. Now officially a convicted felon.
And thousands of years ago Jesus of Nazareth was convicted of treason and executed.
There are no parallels between the two.
But execution in this case seems a bit steep. Why would you promote it as punishment for Trump?
uh, when did jesus hump a porn star and then pay her off to keep her from telling his disciples?
don't forget a playboy bunny, you keep forgetting the playboy bunny
Well, according to some, the Bible is a Cleaned Up retelling of Jesus's life. Whoa-oooh Mary Magdalene. AKA Cross Eyed Mary
And to no surprise many on this yarn are sounding exactly like Trump in his screed delivered this morning. Everyone captains their own Titanic and Trump is no different ... and hey, it's the iceberg's fault!
meh, it was fun watching him talk himself into a more stringent sentence this morning ...
I did like the parts where he fumbled with his crib notes.
he has difficulty remembering his 3 greatest hits in his broken record speeches...
there's at least 50 million american voters that support him and are even more ignorant than he is...
This just in:
The Trump campaign brought in roughly $35 million after former President Trump was found guilty of 34 felony counts in a New York hush money trial Thursday, as his campaign argues the verdict supercharged support among grassroots donors.
“From just minutes after the sham trial verdict was announced, our digital fundraising system was overwhelmed with support, and despite temporary delays online because of the amount of traffic, President Trump raised $34.8 million dollars from small dollar donors,” Trump campaign senior advisers Chris LaCivita and Susie Wiles said in a joint statement Friday.
Trump campaign announces $35M fundraising haul after guilty verdict (thehill.com)
... which represents a small fraction of his mounting legal fees. bummer.
That was in a matter of hours, with the website crashing.
Haters may be in big trouble.
I sure hope somebody remembers to accept trump's collect call from prison, when he accepts the GOP nomination for POTUS in july...
Prison? Are you ready for next week's trial?
which trial is that?
I'll give you a clue: The key evidence is a laptop that 51 former intelligence officials claimed to resemble "Russian disinformation."
What charge will Hunter's trial next week be addressing?
Somethings to do with the paperwork to purchase a gun.
That's right, the more serious charges were allowed to evaporate as the prosecutor sat back and allowed the statute of limitations to expire.
I guess he didn't know how to resurrect expired statues like Alvin Bragg did, nor does he know how to turn misdemeanors into felonies.
Too bad they don't have judge Merchan.
What more serious charges? Filing and paying his taxes late? You act like it was something nefarious but it is mundane...
What more serious charges
Lol. His daddy’s doj let him avoid paying hundreds of Thousnds in taxes by intentionally letting the statue of limitations expire.
that people pretend that’s okay because their pin up idol did it is embarrassing .
also amusing to see the people who constantly demand more gun and background Check laws waive away violations of those laws because their special little boy committed them.
Par for the course who think trump was rightfully charged with a crime they can’t even explain.
All of Hunter's taxes have been filed, paid and accepted...
Trump was President for four years somewhere in there!
All of Hunter's taxes have been filed, paid and accepted..
no, they weren’t. And you know this because I’ve shown you the proof dozens of times. Why would you keep repeating a falsehood?
Hunter’s sugar daddy paid off a couple years off back taxes that hunter didn’t. Biden’s doj let the statute expire for the two previous years that neither hunter or democratic donors ever paid for him from when he was banking millions from Ukrainian oligarchs
Much to the consternation of my hateful friends on the left, Trump won’t serve one minute in jail or one second on probation when this kangaroo court gets overturned.
Hopefully a short term TDS clitty diddle will suffice for them …. But it won’t. Haters gotta hate.
I'm sure there is an ignorant ambulance chaser out there who will tell you there were no reversable errors.
I agree, he's really not looking too good lately...
Trump should run as a democrat, a convicted felon who slept with hookers, Shades of Marion Barry and he won in a landslide. Democrats didn't seem to have a problem with it before.
And serial sexual abuser Bill Clinton is among their most respected and revered heroes.
You don't have to go that far back, the current Dem nominee took "inappropriate" showers with his teenage daughter.
Who was found liable for rape.....
Oh wait, that was trump, and then there is this too.... Drug addict trump and pedo island frequent flier...trump!
Biden wasn't listed on the Lolita Express like trump was and now trump is a convicted felon and you'll STILL vote for him....Just stop.
Clinton is not on our 2024 ballot, but Trump is and he was!
and convicted rapist