Privileged protests
It never was about the Confederacy or slavery or any other debatable monument. It is about America, which the morons, who were indoctrinated absolutely hate. In case you missed it Saturday, statues around the White House were graffitied and vandalized during the Gaza cease-fire protest, though despite law enforcement officials knowing about the protest, not a single move was made to stop the desecration, nor will the democrats in power take the appropriate action to punish these riotous insurrectionists. You see they are left wing protestors, and they have privilege. They don't get punished. In 2020 they killed two dozen people and did billions in damage. The current vice president worked to get those who were jailed released and certain blue districts even paid out on lawsuits to them.
For those who actually believe in the rule of law, there actually are constraints on what protestors can do:
18 U.S. Code § 1361 - Government property or contracts
Whoever willfully injures or commits any depredation against any property of the United States, or of any department or agency thereof, or any property which has been or is being manufactured or constructed for the United States, or any department or agency thereof, or attempts to commit any of the foregoing offenses, shall be punished as follows:
If the damage or attempted damage to such property exceeds the sum of $1,000, by a fine under this title or imprisonment for not more than ten years, or both; if the damage or attempted damage to such property does not exceed the sum of $1,000, by a fine under this title or by imprisonment for not more than one year, or both.
18 U.S. Code § 1361 - Government property or contracts | U.S. Code | US Law | LII / Legal Information Institute (cornell.edu)
The Trump administration, you may recall issued an executive order protecting American monuments and memorials, noting that "it's the policy of the U.S. Department of Justice to prosecute to the fullest extent of the law any person destroying, damaging, or vandalizing a monument memorial, or statue within the U.S. or otherwise damages government property." President Trump wanted a ten-year penalty for violating that statute.
Those on the left need to understand: Freedom of expression does not include: taunting memes, vandalism, destruction of property, rioting, looting, assault and murder.
The statues vandalized Saturday were mostly Revolutionary War heroes.
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The democrats will always cut a break for those on the radical left.
That is one of the reasons we need to vote Biden out of office.
So those who invaded the house under Trump's orders should be ignored?
Pretty sure that they should spend many years in prison. It's called treason!
Trump will also be convicted of treason!
The porn star thingy is the least of his worries!
There are many videos of Trump calling for an attack on congress.
Trump is a subversive and fair game.
“There are many videos of Trump calling for an attack on congress.”
Then how about posting a few? Or two? Or just one. Lol.
The criteria is, beyond a reasonable doubt, not pretty sure.
Sounds like your point of law and commentary supports the fact that those who took part in the January 6 events at the Capitol belong in jail.
Interesting.
Thanks for clarifying that those who took part on Jan 6 are indeed criminals.
Compared to the "protests" the left and the democrats supported, it WAS a peaceful protest. And imagine that, not a single left / Democrat supported protest resulted in arrests. Have a protest at the capital and they are hunted down.
Nonsense
Property damage
Disruption of the functioning of government
And oh yeah, people died
The only person to die during the Jan. 6 protester was a protester herself and the shooter was praised by the left.
WASHINGTON — As a pro-Trump protest turned into a violent attack on the Capitol on Jan. 6 last year, four people in the crowd died.
Ashli Babbitt , an Air Force veteran, was fatally shot by a Capitol Police officer as rioters tried to breach the House chamber.
Kevin D. Greeson died of a heart attack, collapsing on the sidewalk west of the Capitol on Jan. 6.
Rosanne Boyland appeared to have been crushed in a stampede of fellow rioters as they surged against the police.
Benjamin Philips, the founder of a pro-Trump website called Trumparoo, died of a stroke.
Mr. Greeson and Mr. Philips died of natural causes, the Washington medical examiner said in April. He added that Ms. Boyland’s death was caused by an accidental overdose .
In the days and weeks after the riot, five police officers who had served at the Capitol on Jan. 6 died.
Officer Brian D. Sicknick of the Capitol Police, who was attacked by the mob , died on Jan. 7.
Officer Jeffrey Smith of the Metropolitan Police Department killed himself after the attack.
Officer Howard S. Liebengood of the Capitol Police also died by suicide four days afterward.
The Capitol Police had previously said that Officer Sicknick died from injuries sustained “while physically engaging with protesters.” The Washington medical examiner later ruled that he had died of natural causes: multiple strokes that occurred hours after Officer Sicknick’s confrontation with the mob. The medical examiner added, however, that “all that transpired played a role in his condition.”
These Are the People Who Died in Connection With the Capitol Riot - The New York Times (nytimes.com)
Only one was killed.
They are all still dead, as a result of the events and actions of the mob rioting in the capitol
2 natural causes - which could be three as in Mr. Greeson - and a drug overdose. Hardly anything caused by the events other than the fact they were there.
Only one was killed as a result of the events and actions of the mob rioting in the capitol.
Natural causes and drug overdoses after the fact are NOT as a result of the events and actions of the mob rioting in the capitol.
the events and actions of the mob rioting in the capitol.
So you agree that they were rioting and interfering with the functioning of the federal government.
Good to know.
Natural causes and drug overdoses after the fact are NOT as a result of the events and actions of the mob rioting in the capitol.
Some experts think that there is no way to be certain your statement is true, js
No. The government interfered with the functioning of the federal government.
Some experts think
And the results were that these deaths occurred AFTER the protest. Some were natural causes, some were self inflicted drug use.
In your comment, you called the crowd a "mob rioting in the capitol"
You have a point somewhere?
The "point" was made above in #2, a simple point - clear and easy to understand
So you don't have a point.
Thos were all very small easy to understand words, there was a point and no one except you seems to be confused by the point.
Still, you don't have a point.
Actually this seems to be the new "point"
If you are going to quote me. Make sure it's something I actually said.
Pretty sure that hundreds of far right wing fascists are facing trial over J-6.
As they should be.
That's the truth. They are dead as a direct result of what happened on 1/6 by the insurrectionists
OVER A THOUSAND TRIED AND CONVICTED AND SENTENCED.
A general reminder to all: If comment is responded to by addressed member the comment stays in play (unless it is a gross violation)
And the truth escapes you yet again.
My point was that there were two standards of justice.
I'm surprised that you would miss it.
I didn't miss it at all, I merely expanded on it - if you feel so strongly about the illegality of such "protests" then you must agree that Jan 6 participants belong in jail.
I do not disagree that there have been many "protests" by supporters of the left that were actually riots and that many of the participants also belong in jail.
How many of those involved in the protest/riots of the left were tracked down by using face recognition programs and were arrested months after the event. How many of those arrested during those riots simply had their charges dropped?
A number of jurisdictions actually paid money to rioters for arresting them and, of course, the same biden DOJ who tracked down people for non violent crimes like trespassing intervened to help lessen the punishment of domestic terrorists who threw Molotov cocktails at squad cars
Wrong! Those who commit violence at protests are identified, arrested and prosecuted regardless of their political leaning contrary to outrageous rightwing false suburban legends...
Lol
get back to me when the Biden DOJ goes after the pro Hamas demonstrators who defaced statutes and threw bottles at a park ranger the other day, for starters.
In the case of Portlands 100 nights of rage, charges were dropped in just over 90% of the cases.
Yes, for non-violent offenses such as failure to disperse.
90% of January 6th protesters were never charged at all!
And dismissed for:
Um hum...
I’ve never supported 6 Jan and am happy with the prosecutions. Unlike you, I disappointed in the DA’s decision in Portland. Between the frequent riots, protests, crime, trash, homelessness and public drug use, downtown activities seem to be plateauing at 60% of the 2019 level.
You need to talk to prosecutors about your whataboutisms. You may find attentive ears. If not-oh well. Here on NT we are not obligated to file charges, or call 'around' to ask, or complain about non-existing charges.
Help me understand that chip on your shoulder for liberal protestors. I ask because I can't properly discern if you are being for real, on defensive, or on offense all the times. (Which is not helped by the points you put forward with any context-extending links.)
Cases carry forward and cases are dropped based on their specifics. Justice 101. Cases can not be equalized for a myriad of reasons, including the curious "design" of some laws that impact one group more than another group by state or congressional designing of laws. Think standalone.
Uh-uh. Looks like trouble. What not to have on your public lawn all at once.
Their DA announced his criteria before viewing specifics of each case. Portlandia 101.
Then, if it can't happen accept the answer. Nobody has compelled the elected official to act. 'Portland 101' is not a legal system.
Huh?
I'll let you ponder it. Let's move on.
Nothing much to ponder.
Then do not bother commenting further, please. Let's kindly move on.
I’m sorry that my comment,” Nothing much to ponder”, wasn’t understandable.
Now you're being inappropriate. I have been as nice and open as I can be. Moving on.
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They were punished beyond the full extent of the law.
Explain why a condemnation of leftwing violence that mostly goes unpunished requires a condemnation of rioting that is punished.
Show us what happened to the 2020 rioters.
I give how many? I do applaud the use of technology by law enforcement to bring felons to justice and would hope that such technology would be used to solve and prosecute future crimes as well.
I agree with the majority of the points you make above, but this is fundamentally no true - there was violence, disruptions and destruction in many cities and to simply label them "peaceful calls to address racial inequality" is both naive and irresponsible.
Whether all the demonstrators were involved in the multi-city riots or not - there was nothing peaceful about the process.
And what they always fail to mention is that the protests led to literal insurrections, not like the alleged one claimed in DC, but actual ones, the protestor declared their own countries and took land by use of force in several cities.
Capitol Hill Occupied Protest - Wikipedia
Portland 'autonomous zone' dismantled after mayor apologizes (nypost.com)
Right on, it is entirely ignorant to assume that DAs will do their job. If the DA declines to prosecute, that's just social justice!
It’s very easy, I don’t think your political beliefs should determine whether your actions were illegal. Someone who punches a cop at the j6 riot should be treated the same as someone who punched a cop at a blm riot. Someone who destroyed property at the capitol should be punished the same as someone who destroyed property at a courthouse. In general, I think everyone who committed violent acts or destroyed property during the blm riots, pro Hamas campus disturbances etc should have been treated and hunted down as aggressively as the j6 protesters.
that blm rioters were allowed to riot, attack police and destroy billions in property largely without consequence no doubt made J6 much more likely to occur. The message was sent that rioting and attacking police, secret service etc was fine and risk free. The j6 rioters learned that different standards apply when the rioters aren’t progressive and that has pissed a lot of people who believe in equal justice off.
We are at the point where the government spends years and resources to track down and throw non violent trespassers and 75 year old women jostlers in jail while ignoring those who assault police, block expressways etc and even ordinary violent criminals like car jackers.
Sean
on point
That is your personal or professional (P/P) worry—not mine. I have accepted (and will accept) whatever happens to protesters in all these cases that get out of hand.
One last thing. Your sly dig at what or who is ignorant of DAs is similarly your P/P worry. I don't keep with or track what DAs do in these situations. . . it is not of deep and abiding interest to me.
The point you so easily MISSED is that DAs control to a great extent what gets prosecuted and what doesn't. But anyone with eyes and ears can easily attest to the differences in how some of these cases are adjudicated. If they WANT to.
Seems very strange to bother taking time to comment and point out how uninterested you are then.
Okay. Booey for you. However, when you get control of a justice system see if all matters look alike to you. There are extremes and then there are EXTREMES. And not every thing rises to the same level. . .it is why we have PROFESSIONALS (good and bad) that look into matters. Even corrupt (bad) professionals don't see every case as WINNABLE . . . lots of cases they see as not worth the time it will take to go to court
Since you think that protests on the street and in some federal places are equal to protests in D.C. at the Capitol. . .you should have no problem with the solution that are found to be happening or have happened at 2.2.27 provided to us by Thomas. It alone should give you some peace.
Your continuing comments don't lend credence to your earlier post 2.2.33
That is your P/P worry. Figure it out. Because as of now you are being repetitious about nothing that is going nowhere obviously. DAs don't care about "the Whine.' If you have a case. . . file a lawyer and go to court and file there. I can't supply whatever needy thing you are seeking.
I am not worried.
A little late with that, I already did--as evidenced by my posts.
maga thumpers that cross the establishment clause to deny bodily autonomy to others deserve a lot worse...
Has "Russia, Russia, Russia" been replaced with "Maga thumpers, Maga thumpers, Maga thumpers"?
File a 'case.'
I don't take advice from those who spout MAGA nonsense.
Not about to start now.
I respectfully disagree. By far the majority of the people who turned out to demonstrate were not involved in violence of any kind. To paint the civil protests with the same brush as the riots is to ignore reality.
Was there violence at some of the protests?
Yes. Most events that gather a large group of people will have disagreements, especially if the people are of differing viewpoints, and especially if the subject of the demonstrations (the police) try to disperse the gathered people. This in no way excuses the people no matter their orientation towards whatever they protest. But it also in no way damns the people who showed up and demonstrated while maintaining civility.
To paint any protestor as bad without examination of why the protestor is demonstrating and purely on the evidence that they attended is an example of guilt by association.
That's the standard MO regarding protesters with some - guilt by association
Also, one has to take into account:
1. Degree(s) of involvement. (Physical harms, damages, injuries resulting.)
2. Plurality of causes. (What or who caused a breakdown and deterioration of peace in the protest.)
3. Any and all complexities that may be involved.
These are determiners into proceeding to charge or not by DAs. Thus, legally all cases are rarely equal. And we have not even began to engage local and state policies or laws on the books.
Because the vast majority of protestors didn't riot.
Peaceful protesting is not a crime. Even when leftists don't like what the protest is about. No matter how Democrats want to spin it.
It does not matter where who or what those who riot and destroy property usually get caught and arrested. There was no protest in American history that comparable to Trump's Jan 6 Insurrection!
It was an insurrection against the United States of America that actually stopped our Congress from completing its Constitutional duty forcing both US Houses of Congress to flee underground!
Never heard of the American Revolution?
In Portlandia, few were prosecuted, in DC many.
“It was an insurrection against the United States of America that actually stopped our Congress from completing its Constitutional duty forcing both US Houses of Congress to flee underground!”
This cannot be repeated often enough. It most certainly cannot be swept under a tattered and soiled partisan rug.
History will tell us it was either the beginning of the end, or hopefully, a tragedy of circumstances that we were smart enough to acknowledge, aware enough to understand the magnitude of the threat, and courageous enough to ensure it was but another teachable moment in our sometimes dark and checkered past.
I don't think anyone noticed
“I don't think anyone noticed.”
Only anyone who has a concern for the future of our nation.
That day is a bellwether, further defining the differences in how we view ourselves.
You are free to diminish the ramifications, but the underlying causes are evident everywhere…on this site, in playing a part in determining this election, and will ultimately decide how we negotiate the consequences.
A touch melodramatic
I'm surprised that you would miss the point of TREASON!
Everybody who broke into the capital on that day was guilty!
How sad that years of watching FOX makes fascists feel guilt free.
“A touch melodramatic”
Downplay it as you seemingly must…but will never understand how anyone who witnessed the actions and acknowledged the motivations of that sad day can so flippantly dismiss it.
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“I’m sorry that at this stage of your life, you feel sad.”
And many of us are sorry that at this stage of your life, you feel compelled to take the time to fill some void in the never, never, never ending contrarian commentary.
…interminable.
You do not think anyone noticed the insurrection on Jan 6, 2021??
Congress stopping
Anyone who paid even mild attention to Jan 6, 2021, knew that this disrupted Congress in session.
But even if nobody noticed (which is a ridiculous hypothesis), disrupting the workings of Congress is a serious offense.
“Congress stopping”
No, stopping Congress from what had traditionally been a ceremonial certification of a duly elected president. Centuries of democratic precedent upended.
Please list the multitudes even indicted for treason from Jan. 6.
I won't embarrass by asking about actual convictions for the same!
Do.you think that people did t notice the weeks of rioting that occured for weeks on 2016 including the threat of rioting in order to disrupt the inauguration?
Of course you have no proof of any of that because it never happened
2016 was 8 years ago. There was no insurrection. There was no disruption of the inauguration.
What Trump did was not normal. It was not routine. It was unique in our history. Never in our history has a president (or presidential candidate) attempted to steal a presidential election through fraud, coercion, lying, and incitement.
You cannot equate what Trump did with the behavior of any other presidential candidate. You cannot normalize it and attempt to lessen the severity.
All one can do is accept reality as it is or invent an alternate reality of lies.
And they are being hunted down and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
Same can't be said for the chosen leftists that have the favor of Democrats.
Either the law applies equally to everyone or no one. Which is it going to be?
That won't fly. Prosecutors have authority to decide what cases they bring based on objective criterion in state and federal laws.
Only Democrats believe that their partisan POS DA's, AG's, and DOJ can decide things long a purely partisan basis.
Let me put it another way.
If the law doesn't apply equally to everyone; then justice will still be served. Democrats will be screaming the loudest when that day comes.
You keep indulging yourself in subjective nonsense and projecting that onto the justice system. It will not serve well in legal situations, nevertheless. Enjoy!
The legal system does not care if some that come up against it call them 'dogs' and 'punks' or any other vile name: Just relatable facts matter—not personal discontent.
Stand outside the justice offices and shout away. Or, at least, as NT permits this onslaught to take place on its server.
Not true, and your paragraph of an article is not true
Prove it.
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Teenager who leaves a burnout with his bike on a pride crosswalk? You will be tracked down and charged with Multiple felonies.
Adult who threatens to kill Jews, defaces national monuments, and attacks a park ranger? Thanks for sharing your views!
the politicization of justice accelerates.
Here's that disgraceful story.....
Teens Face Prison Time for Leaving Skid Marks on 'Pride' Road Mural (townhall.com)
Don't you just LOVE the double standard.
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Why Americans support Hamas does not make sense.
Are they supporting Hamas or the Palestinians? Must one mean both?
It looks like the Palestinians support Hamas
are either of them worth it?
Some probably, but not all.
That ship has sailed:
The slogan "Death to America" is seemingly gaining steam among anti-Israel agitators, who have swept across the nation.
The anti-Israel demonstrations that have spread across the country have taken on an anti-American tenor in recent weeks, with students at the University of Michigan who were participating in the protests being given pamphlets titled "10 anarchist theses on Palestine solidarity in the United States," which included a page that stated, "Freedom for Palestine means Death to America."
'Death to America' rapidly emerging as key slogan of anti-Israel agitators in US (msn.com)
So we can use that same broad brush and use it to paint all Trump voters as alt+right xenophobic culture warriors?
Hamas and Palestinians are pretty much interchangeable, two sides of the same coin. It was interesting to note that the rescued hostages were being held by an Aljazeera civilian reporter.
If by "we" you mean radical left progressives, that would probably be true.
I mean "we" as in rational thinking people who don't need to lie to make themselves feel superior.
They're not on the left.
You either forget, or are willfully ignorant that the PALESTINIANS cheered on 9/11.
Yes it does. Hamas ARE Palestinians, and if you are following the news all the Gazans are referred to as Palestinians, and their aim of "From the river to the sea" is inclusive of those in the West Bank and Gaza, and the protests were not even CONSIDERED until civilian Gazans were being killed, and the war that is being fought was STARTED by Hamas and both Hamas and ALL Palestinians are being rewarded for their terrorism by the International Court of Justice and naitons that are now accepting Palestine to be a State even though it does not qualify to be one.
It's a broad brush I wouldn't use against Jews, so why would you use it against Palestinians? All Hamas are Palestinian, but not all Palestinian are Hamas. We've had this conversation before and I don't really care enough about the subject of two factions looking to be the last king of the sand dune to have it again. It's only by working together for peace will the bloodshed ever end.
The military leader of Hamas, Yahya Sinwar has said he believes he has gained the upper hand over Israel and that the spiraling civilian death toll in Gaza would work in the militant group’s favor.
He's not one to waste a crisis.
Already done, for about the last 7 years.
Old news.
And do you agree with it? Is it factually correct?
Fuck no to both things asked.
Good to know. Thanks for replying.
No, he isn't.
Hamas couldn't ask for a better recruiting tool than what is going on now in Gaza.
Perhaps that was the real intent of 7 Oct, provoke death and destruction in Gaza and world condemnation of of Israel as a political policy.
If it was, is playing into their hands and doing exactly what Hamas may have wanted the best course of action? Wouldn't it be perhaps more prudent to deny them such satisfaction by not indiscriminately bombing civilians including tens of thousands of women and children be the better course of action? Or do you believe Israel had no choice in the matter? October 7th was horrific, and Hamas should be condemned and hunted down and killed for what they did. Does that mean Israel had no choice but to kill over 32,000 Palestinians, a number which includes thousands and thousands of women and children, in response? I believe there was a better choice and playing right into the hands of Hamas by doing exactly what they wanted which turned rational thinking humans against Israeli right-wing leadership was the worst possible decision and there are now tens of thousands of Jewish persons around the world who are against Netanyahu's ill-advised indiscriminate war on Palestinian civilians.
For the rest of my life I will never view Israel, or Palestians for that matter, the same. I no longer view my professed religion of Christianity the same either. Something is SERIOUSLY WRONG with that region of the world. It's all TOO MUCH FOR TOO LONG FOR TOO MANY PEOPLE!
I can't help myself. I feel a great fraud has been and is being committed by especially two great religions on the world. I can't overlook it. I just can't.
How old are you? Can’t people change?
What is that great fraud?
Would Hamas allow a pro American protest?
BREAKING: Hunter Biden found guilty of all three charges.
I didn't think that it would take the jury too long, it was a simple case with documented evidence.
Maybe he can pick up trash on the side of the road with trump?
Hopefully all the nonsense bandied about re 2-tiered justice systems will surely be dispatched with to a local padded room but then Hope was placed in Pandora's box by malevolent 'gods' to drive men mad.
And all the tv talking heads have assembled in their cadres and six member panels to "discuss." You would think Biden is a politician or something. Rather than a wayward man who has properly fallen into the hands of the justice system for sorting.
Hunter's own lawyers were spreading that bad info. They tried to get his upcoming trial for repeatedly failing to file and pay his taxes on time and engaging in an illegal tax-evasion scheme by filing false tax returns and cooking the books on his company’s payroll, dismissed.
US District Judge Mark Scarsi rejected Hunter Biden’s arguments that the felony indictment was politically motivated.
He poked holes in that argument and for using a mixture of news articles and social media to support their conspiracy theory.
“The motion is remarkable in that it fails to include a single declaration, exhibit, or request for judicial notice,” the judge wrote. “Instead, Defendant cites portions of various Internet news sources, social media posts, and legal blogs. These citations, however, are not evidence.”
Lawyers will do that. Did you miss what Donald's lawyers were spreading? But hey and a ho and a heyho, wanna go down the comparison path, the Bidens dissed noone involved whereas the Trumps comparatively dissed everyone.
No. I didn't.
Not especially.
Why drag Trump into it yet again?
FORMER 'PRESIDENT' STILL GUILTY OF 34 FELONY CHARGES, CONVICTED FELON FORMER 'PRESIDENT'
The question lingers, to what extent do Hunter's problems extend to Joe. Ast to the credible accusations of influence peddling, money laundering, and taking of bribes, investigations should be started when Trump and Republicans return to power.
MAGA Congressional republicans already investigated and found zip!
But, but, it's only money/time/labor involved in these 'chases' through the political briar patches! Can somebody-anybody yell "Waste and Abuse!" now?!!!
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If Trump does win, it will because the media and social media sites were determined to be "fair" to the lunatics that support him.
All comments are not created equal.
Damn media and their fake news.
How long before Biden supporters call for all articles to be vetted by the WH aides before publishing?
It will be because he won the electoral college vote.
And because Biden isn't a very good alternative to Trump.
... uh, no it doesn't, if they're on topic.
Freedom of expression most certainly does include taunting memes, Constitutionally. The rest are all criminal activities and should be prosecuted.
I don't know who exactly your article is directed at, but this lefty knows what is illegal and what isn't. I think that your article does good in that it gives a peek into the fevered imagination of MAGA, but it also does disservice to a panoply of leftward leaning people who are smeared under a sloppily wielded and very tarry broad-brush.
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Without their fevered imaginations they'd have nothing else to occupy their time. They simply have nothing else to offer up than a lying piece of shit convicted felon as their Dear Leader candidate, and they're so fucked in the head they believe he would actually "fix" America, which of course means neutering it of anyone these racist dipshit dumbasses don't like or anyone who actually has more than half a brain and can think for themselves and aren't beholden to worthless rightwing religious conservative ideals.