Viral Video
Link to quote: White House Calls Biden Videos 'Fake', Sparking Republican Outrage (msn.com)
As former President Trump took his message to the hood, venturing into the deepest of blue cities, Detroit, getting the endorsement of a former mayor and then going to a Black church, Joe Biden attended a democrat fundraiser in Los Angeles, which included many of Hollywood's elites, such as George Clooney, Julia Roberts and Barbara Streisand. The fundraiser was hosted by late night host Jimmy Kimmel and featured former President Obama. The centerpiece of the event was Biden and Obama doing a 40-minute sit-down with Kimmel. Joe Biden delivered a brief divisive rant in which trashed the Supreme Court of the United States for not making the kind of decisions the radical left wants.
Then another one of those strange things happened again as Joe Biden was about to exit the stage. It appeared to every conscious human being that Obama took Biden and guided him off the stage, never taking his hand off of Biden.
That video went viral. Of course, I'll be called a "liar" here on NT for showing it, but people should be able to come to their own conclusions.
The worst part wasn't the video itself. It was that WH press secretary, Karine Jean-Pierre, tried to dismiss it. She called the video "a cheap fake."
Let us get one thing straight for the lefties living in a bubble:
That video is not fake! That is a fact.
You can try to give your own interpretation of what happened, but the film is authentic.
This is exactly what George Orwell tried to warn us about.
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Good morning.
There is no need for hysterics.
Our objection to Biden is not dementia. It is policies!
there's only one shrinking segment of our population that are so pathetically gullible and ignorant enough to be fooled by the selectively edited videos coming from the convicted felon's accomplices ...
Now that is a lie.
thanks for proving my point...
Nothing was edited.
You are welcome.
You apparently did not see the video of the same scene, but from a few seconds before, when Biden was smiling and waving to the audience , and even turning to face the other side of the auditorium and waving. To believe "your" video we have to believe that Biden went from being aware and engaged to being in a standing coma within less than 5 seconds. It is ridiculous, pathetic, and frankly unAmerican for the right to keep spreading this junk.
I wish we didnt have to make lying from right wing media and right wing social media a big campaign issue, but seemingly we have to.
Did I say anything about him in a coma?
All I do is present the film of a video that went viral. A film that is unedited and real, contrary to the WH press secretary's lie about it.
Biden was not frozen, he was looking out at the audience he had been waving to and smiling at a FEW SECONDS before . Maybe he was enjoying the applause. Maybe Obama had to go pee and knew it would be inappropriate for him to walk away from the president. Of course they were going to walk off together.
The few seconds of video you show has no context whatsoever. It just shows Biden standing there and Obama wanting to leave the stage.
Ya, there are a lot of "maybes."
Maybe we let the people decide.
Now that is the truth!
So refreshing to see here.
I don't know why lies are allowed to be posted over and over and over again.
which comment is a lie?
Obviously the one that claims the videos are fake.
I want to thank you for all the help today.
We are at the “Biden laptop is Russian disinformation” stage of trying to cover up damaging information. Democrats have staked out their ridiculous lie, and now the media is actively amplifying the lie and are working to label the truth as a conspiracy theory. The playbook is getting a lot of use.
He always tells the truth.
Prove it. Show the unedited videos and prove them wrong.
Reminds one of the "I will be a dictator" misinformation the dems are still peddling.
There is a difference between editing a video and lacking the context (spin) folks on the left would like to see. Obviously they are afraid to show the whole video without trying to sway the like minded to what it meant.
The video needs no context (which translates into conjecture and spin)
You mean they don't need to be told what to think and are capable of watching a video and coming to their own conclusions? Come on man.
You see the 0:00 ?
The so called damaging to Biden video STARTS with him being "frozen". Where is the full picture? Where is the context? There isnt any. They started with this frame because if they had included a few seconds before this it would show Biden acting perfectly normal.
Yes, he was normal and then he froze. That is what freezing is.
Just tell us why the "damaging" video STARTS with Biden "frozen". There is no other explanation other than it wants to be intentionally deceptive.
Funny, the video showing the few seconds before may be more damaging. It shows Joe applauding and then staring into space.
I'm not sure what the extra context provides. Even with it, Biden still appears to be unfocused. The rest of the national leaders appear to be focused on what they are standing there to do; speaking to the press, apparently. Biden seems to be distracted and unfocused, even with what is called extra content. The Italian Prime Minister has to get him refocused. Had it been Obama, I imagine that the rest of the world leaders present would have simply waited for him to finish speaking to the paratroopers. I don't think it would have crossed any of their minds to interrupt him.
If we want to talk about context, why is it that, so often, Biden has to be guided and handled as often as he does? Surely his handlers know how this is perceived and portrayed by their enemies? And yet, even Obama found it necessary, for whatever reason, to grab the current President of the United States and take him off stage, whether he wanted to leave or not. I cannot imagine Obama standing for such a thing being done to him while he had been president.
So, to answer your question, which comment is a lie, I would say any that claim that Biden isn't quite often distracted, loses his train of thought, confused and generally disoriented. Just the other day, he actually said the word "pause" after a portion of a speech he was giving from a teleprompter that obviously wasn't intended to be read aloud, for goodness sake.
FDR was crippled and sick yet he successfully led the World!
Biden is successfully leading the World post-Trump & Covid.
Exactly, he knew he was dying of congestive heart failure and he and his administration hid the truth from the American people and he decided to run for a fourth term anyway.
That seems so simple, but the media disagrees:
Just in: The Associated Press has issued a ‘fact check’ on the viral video of Biden freezing up on stage and being led off by Obama. Despite having a video that clearly shows what happened, the AP talked to a ‘source’ about the incident.
“CLAIM: Biden froze onstage during his fundraiser in Los Angeles on Saturday night and had to be led away by Obama.”
“THE FACTS: Biden paused amid cheers and applause as he exited the stage with his predecessor following an interview moderated by late-night host Kimmel.” The AP then cited a “source.” “A source who helped organize, and attended, the fundraiser told the AP that there was nothing noteworthy about this moment and that Obama wanted to be “chummy” by walking offstage with Biden.”
See how they did that.
Don't believe your eyes, believe what we tell you.
Listen to our Democratic source!!!
Based on what someone there told them really happened.
Like we were told: "The video started with Biden frozen."
I guess it should have started when he got out of bed.
i don't think the temperature was cold enough that day
That's a good excuse.
Noted.
And because of your objection to policies you seek to elect as PotUS a convicted felon who is the only PotUS in our history to have attempted to steal a US presidential election through fraud, coercion, lying, and incitement. A pathological lying con-man, malignant narcissist who has demonstrated over and over that he only cares about himself and is willing to throw the nation under the bus to satisfy his personal needs.
Beyond that, he is an entirely unpresidential vindictive loose-cannon asshole who should never be allowed to be the face and voice of our nation and be enabled with such power.
Biden is indeed a lousy candidate and should not be running for reelection at his age, but Trump (and anyone like him) should never even be considered because he is —as a person— wholly unfit to hold any public office. (And he is also too old.)
Why don't you tell us how you really feel.
Do you acknowledge any wrongdoing by Trump?
Do you acknowledge any personal characteristics of Trump that counter what this nation would seek in its president?
Have you ever considered what Reagan might say about Trump as 2024 presumptive nominee of the GOP?
Sure I do, Trump is a flawed individual in many ways. Do you acknowledge the corruption of the Biden Family and his lies to the American people that got him elected in 2020?
Do you acknowledge wrongdoing by Trump? If so, do you acknowledge that Trump is the only PotUS in history to attempt to steal a presidential election through fraud, coercion, lying, and incitement?
What, specifically, are you alleging here? I cannot answer unless I know what you are talking about.
Al Gore and Hillary Clinton; and a host of other Democrats at the state and local level. As for your incitement BS. Go find the Jan 6th committee and have a pity party with them. You are ignoring all evidence that Trump didn't incite anything- just like they did.
Hunter Biden's laptop is Russian disinformation. Completely false and the FBI knew it.
FBI coerced social media platforms on behalf of the Biden administration during the run up to the 2022 election; banning individuals and burying damaging stories.
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Guess you are part of the Harry Reid school of "it worked didn't it" when it comes to lying, coercion, and election interference. So long as it is Democrats doing it that is.
Biden is more guilty than Trump of mishandling and sharing classified information; but isn't being charge. Hur didn't want to be Durhamed by a Democrat judge, and a jury from a TDS driven Democrat controlled bastion of stupidity. Biden broke the law; as did his ghost writer who destroyed classified information and evidence that Biden knowingly shared with him. Of course Garland will never press charges- even with the overwhelming evidence- he is a partisan POS through and through.
As for the Biden family taking money from Russia, China, Ukraine, and several ME countries and using shell company LLC's to hide the transactions and funnel money to family members- including Biden; you can google that yourself. Funny how Hunter and Joe's brother aren't being charged with FARA violations for not registering as foreign lobbyists. Ask Michael Flynn how much trouble that can get you in to. But they are Democrats so they are above the law.
I am sure Weiss will get around to filing FARA charges against Hunter and Joe's brother eventually./S
I ignored your post since you refuse to acknowledge any wrongdoing by Trump.
I'd be a convicted felon if I was charged with anything in NYC. I'm glad you once again gave me the chance to remind everyone that the "conviction" for nonsense will be overturned. The election is about America vs the indoctrinated elite. And in case anyone doesn't understand what it means, I will remind them of Lincoln's all too relevent "House Divided Speech:"
“A house divided against itself cannot stand. I believe this government cannot endure, permanently half slave and half free. I do not expect the Union to be dissolved—I do not expect the house to fall—but I do expect it will cease to be divided. It will become all one thing or all the other.”
That is what this election will determine.
A House Divided?
What kind of citizen misleads their countrymen spreading false viral videos to make their own President look weak and confused? Now that their falsehoods are revealed these scoundrels are trying to defend the indefensible, butt it blowed-up in their guilty faces!
Meaning you can't handle the truth.
"What kind of citizen misleads their countrymen spreading false viral videos to make their own President look weak and confused?"
An honest and patriotic one. Because he is terribly weak and confused and everyone knows it. The collection of numerous videos provides ample evidence of unfitness
That's quite mature like your fellow rwnj's.
He doesn't know what he's talking about so you're out of luck.
Trump's important trials (those of President Trump rather than private citizen Trump) have been successfully derailed and will likely not take place before the election. Thus the electorate is denied knowing the legal truth regarding his behavior as PotUS. I would expect him to be found guilty in all three (Jan 6, GA election interference, and classified docs obstruction).
This is a serious travesty of justice. We do not have the legal truth and, if Trump is reelected, we never will. That will mean that Trump will have set a permanent precedent of what a PotUS can get away with. Horrible for the nation.
It will not be overturned.
Meaning what I wrote: I am not going to deal with rants when the question I asked was ignored.
An Ecuadorian migrant was arrested Tuesday for allegedly sexually assaulting a 13-year-old girl in a secluded part of a vast Queens park , according to sources.
The migrant, who sources believe entered the country in 2021, was arrested after he allegedly held the girl and a 13-year-old boy at knifepoint with a “machete-style” blade before carrying out his sickening, broad-daylight act inside Kissena Park on Thursday afternoon.
The arrest comes after the NYPD blasted out images and footage of the young man they were looking for on Monday night. The department was also offering a $10,000 award for information leading to an arrest.
He was recognized from the wanted flyers by other residents living in the same Queens shelter, who then called the cops.
The suspect approached the two teens and forced them into a secluded area of the Flushing Meadows park. He then tied their wrists with shoelaces before he molested the girl, NYPD Chief of Detectives Joseph Kenny previously said.
Migrant arrested for allegedly sexually assaulting 13-year-old girl in NYC park (nypost.com)
meh, all he has to do is claim he's a evangelical pastor and he'll be forgiven with no legal ramifications...
Like an associate of #34 who admitted to molesting a 12 year old girl for four years?
Or he is the president and all he did was take a shower with her.
gee, according to maga, I thought all sex that happens before the election doesn't count...
Maybe his Public Defender will be as smart as you.
Trump is a migrant now?
House Republicans are demanding answers after an FBI counterterrorism sting in three major US cities reportedly rolled up eight Tajik nationals who’d crossed the US Southwest Border and were planning a terrorist bombing.
In a new letter, House Homeland Security Committee Mark Green and several subcommittee leaders are demanding that Alejandro Mayorkas, secretary of Homeland Security, disclose whether border agencies could have known of terrorism connections when the Tajik Eight first crossed, and how those agencies handled the immigrants after their releases through to the moment the FBI alerted them about plot.
House committee demands answer on eight Tajik border crossers arrested for terror plot (nypost.com)
Nicolle Wallace: “There’s a growing & insidious trend in right-wing media … to take highly misleading & selectively edited videos of Pres. Biden … and use those videos to spread messages virally to cast doubt on Pres. Biden’s fitness for office.”
Another lie.
Nothing was edited.
It appeared to every conscious human being that Obama took Biden and guided him off the stage, never taking his hand off of Biden.
Talk about obvious, stupid, pathetic lies. If that is what you are seeing, then you are a simpleton who doesn’t recognize that you are only seeing events in the way you want them to be seen, rather than how they obviously are. It happens 24/7 with Biden haters. Like when Joe isn’t fitting the sleepy and confused narrative they crave, they say he must be on stimulants.
Actually, it is a fact.
You need a dictionary, apparently.
All that is required is one's own eyes.
Watch the video again and see if he takes his hand off. We will wait.
Was he holding Biden up? LOL. What does Obama putting his hand on Bidens back have to do with anything sane people should care about ?
Nothing. It is the same thing you could witness in any workplace, restaurant, park, gym, etc without ever thinking anything other than “those two know each other as friends”.[✘]
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Vic was basically being called a liar fore saying Obama never took his hand away. The record was set straight
Basically, that is all I said about the video. The focus was on the statement made by the WH press secretary.
It’s the narrative that is fake. Ridiculously fake. If Obama shook Joe’s hand you’d claim he was helping Joe up after he tripped over his shoelaces.
That is not what she said. I have here quote up there.
She said the video is fake.
The video is real. That is the fact which some here will refuse to accept.
Deceptive video editing is occurring as often as his haters can manage to do it. This is just one of many existing instances, and way more instances to come. Careful what you wish for, as this is something that can be used on Trump just as easily. Trump craves the camera and is constantly putting himself in vulnerable positions.
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The left has really hit rock bottom when it calls unedited video, deceptive, and equates it to this silliness. The left’s war on reality continues.
Deflection..........nice
junior and eric...
He's been calling everyone else a liar
It is called a "Double Reverse Orwell MAGA Orwellinanism"...
News reporter in North Korea:
same mindset
George Orwell warned us.
Pretty remarkable. Instead of simply playing the video uninterrupted, Wallace uses footage that cuts away from Biden as he’s standing frozen for several seconds and then skips the part where Obama grabs his hand to walk off stage.
https://x.com/ChuckRossDC/status/1802857531741544659
They always seem to project what they do onto others.
Projection
Today's gqp
“The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.” 1984
To refute the unedited video we've seen from multiple different angles, Olga is posting an edited video with 10 cuts in 48 seconds to claim that the unedited raw footage is a lie. That is some next level gaslighting
what the Biden administration is doing is as bad and dishonest as anything the trump administration done. There’s no difference in integrity between the two.
If trump were to stoop to Biden’s level, he should just claim every piece of video, any audio, any photo, that is used as as evidence against him is a deep fake.
'The party told you t reject the evidence of your eye and ears. I was their final, most essential command.'
The Projection.
What today's gqp should be called.
"Olga's" video shows Biden engaging with the audience seconds before he allegedly "froze".
The right really are shameless liars.
Olga's" video shows Biden engaging with the audience seconds before he allegedly "froze".
why you seem to think that discredits anything is beyond me. That’s how freezing works. The senior just disengages from what they are doing and stops reacting.
do you think the claim is that Biden is always frozen? Or that the freezing lasts for hours?
Fox "news" says the White HZouse Staff must put Biden in a large tow behind microwave every so often, just to defrost him.
this is an image of the absolute start of the video the New York Post and other right wing sources put up. Notice the time stamp is at 0:00
You say this video was not edited. Of course it was edited, to leave out the why of Biden was standing there looking out at the audience.
Bidens biggest problem is that he stiff, he is stiff walking and he is stiff standing still, so to you he looks "frozen". Its all bullshit.
Having a start point is not editing. It’s a continuous shot.
The video you posted contains 10 edits to cut the shots that make Biden look bad.
I don't believe that is true but it might not be a bad idea.
deo the New York Post and other right wing sources put up.
The New York Post's article is based on, and contains a link to, the unedited video shot and posted by a reporter for The Hollywood Reporter. That's the conspiracy. The post linked to video from a reporter for a left wing outlet and didn't edit it.
https://nypost.com/2024/06/16/us-news/biden-appears-to-freeze-up-has-to-be-led-off-stage-by-obama-at-mega-bucks-la-fundraiser/
LOL.
the video is longer than what they are showing, and was clipped to start at a certain precise moment. A moment that would make Biden look bad.
definition of edit - Cambridhe English dictionary
Was something removed from the original compared to what the NY Post posted on twitter?
YES.
Direct us to the part of your video that shows what Biden was doing in the seconds leading up to this so called "freezing". Oops, there is no such footage in your video.
He waived to the crowd and then froze and stared blankly until Obama grabbed him by the wrist and moved him off stage. That is what the unedited videos (of which there are more than one) show.
Do you not grasp what freezing is? That he was doing something when it occurred is an integral element of it. Freezing is detaching from reality while engaged in an activity. Like waving at the crowd and suddenly disengaging and not reacting to what's around him.
You are imagining things.
Why does the video that purports to be Biden "freezing" start exactly at the moment he "freezes" and not a second before ?
"He waived to the crowd and then froze and stared blankly until Obama grabbed him by the wrist and moved him off stage. "
What part of that isn't supported by the unedited videos?
He wasn't frozen the second before? Who cares, they didn't claim he was frozen a second before.
Why was the New York Post afraid to start the video BEFORE he allegedly froze.
The fact that the video only starts after he "froze" is completely suspicious. And yes, that is editing.
How does showing him normal change the fact that he froze?
He was normal, than he froze. Not sure what you are struggling with
It shows that he didnt freeze. He was standing there taking in the applause.
Correct, then he froze. Deer in the headlights comes to mind.
These words all come from the same post and remain in the order, YOU posted, but they might slightly change the meaning when context is omitted, asz you certainly need, to admitted.
When editing, as is leaving out parts of what happened, what happened, is not the same, nor will it be interpreted the same, so it becomes an inaccurate depiction, also called FICTION, and is a DERELICTION, of ones duty as a pol or a journalist to not accurately present what really actually did happen to happen.
"He wasn't frozen the second before? Who cares, they didn't claim he was frozen a second before."
Yea, nothing to do bout nothin, yet again.
Here is a video with the seconds before. He froze and was staring into space until Obama woke him from his trance. Try and spin it as you will but if Trump did the same exact thing the left would be all over it.
He waived, then he froze, then Obama grabbed him the by the wrist.
that he was acting “normally” before freezing is not relevant. It’s understood he was, otherwise he couldn’t freeze. No one is claiming he was frozen for the duration of the event.
That’s an unedited video appearing in right wing media. I’m sure the apologies will start any second.
The deflecting attempt is amusing
He stands there still and stiff for 7 seconds before Obama grabs him . To MAGA nutjobs this constitutes "freezing " . To normal people it shows him taking in the applause.
Keep trying to convince people of that. While you are at it try to convince them that if Trump did the exact same thing your response would be the same
I get it, the guy is OLD and slower than he once was, and has been prone to gaff's and misspeaking his whole career. His body is old and stiff, and he comes off as old, and stiff.
I just see the 'right' make it appear, purposely, far worse than it is. It is a concern, as admitted by Dems as well, but compared to Trump, there is not about any amount of frozen that many could and would tolerate, as Trump is a true THREAT to our country ! Biden could be like Brendon Brandon Frasier, and thaw out from the ice age, and he would still be a cooler choice than Trump ! it could be a Pay Per View EXTRAVAGANZA
Encino Man VS Failed Casino Man
more like making shit up
Schumer prepares for yet another vote on nationally protecting abortion rights.
We must be about 5 months from a Presidential election!
I would not take Karine Jean-Pierres job for the world. Something about selling my soul bothers me
The world is both angry about and laughing at MAGA Madness that is blamed for the dishonest players noe indulging in such dirty un-American political tricks like this. Falsely edited misreported deep fake viral videos the gop and Fox News are spreading are backfiring in their no good low down lying disreputable faces!
Falsely edited misreported deep fake viral videos
this is why KJP is willing to tell such brazen lies . There’s an audience that swallows it whole.
Remember the "I will be a dictator" videos the left showed edited and still accuses Trump about?
To all the Biden ass kissers....there are too many videos of Biden's frailty and weakness and stiffly standing staring into space for it to be considered healthy and normal. He's been a total disaster for the nation, has become our national disgrace and embarrassment, and is not fit to be president.
Hey, Viagra affects everyone uniquely, asz sum times all the blood rushes to the wrong head, butt Trump knows how to get it done, and is lookin forward to some pria-prism prison FUn, and knot hard to imagine, cuz, Y woodn't he...?
To all the mushroom suckers .....the projection is palpable
[No.] [✘] It is your commentary.
Here's the deal folks. Joe Biden is old and slow and shuffling and slurring. He projects nothing but confusion and weakness which are disastrous in someone who is supposed to be the leader of the free world. The American electorate is becoming appalled by this image and is increasingly rejecting his reelection.
It is the duty of every American patriot who believes in preserving our representative form of democracy to point out Biden's unfitness for office by bringing up his shortcomings and lies at every opportunity.
You bring up his shortcomings while ignoring and defending those of Trump. There is no credibility in such an approach.
It means that I find far more things wrong with Trump than I do of Biden.
A stupid question given the number of people saying they will vote for Trump.
Why would I bring up some alleged shortcomings of Trump?
That's your job.
That should tell you something. Can millions of rational and sane American citizens be wrong?
Have you ever considered the possibility your opinions are politically biased and blindly partisan?
That was definitely an
moment for me
'alleged shortcomings'
Given I dislike (heavily) both political parties, my positions are not partisan by definition.
You should seriously consider them because that is what is required to be objective.
The fact that I recognize that there are tens of millions of people who intend to vote for Trump means, by definition, that I "fathom the idea" that others may find more fault with Biden than Trump.
That fact is one of the major problems with the electorate today.
Are you aware of the argumentum ad populum fallacy?
Tens of millions of Americans believe the Earth is less than 10,000 years old. Does that mean they are correct?
In the 17th century and earlier, people believed the Earth was the center of the universe.
Yeah, Greg, it is entirely possible that millions of rational and sane Americans can be wrong about Trump. This is easily accomplished with confirmation bias. Especially when a cultish environment has formed.
You then should be embarrassed.
Hey Greg, ALL of US contain [political bias], we just can't seem to afford to keep up with Trump $135,000.00 per to buy ass, but you throw in the $Ninety or so MILLION for Carol , and the art of the deal, is slightly out of somes price range. We are all Partisan asz well, and some Partidaughters, sometimes you can even tell.
Now i am admittedly a very biased Independent, and on occasion can see my partisanship sail on through, so, how about you ? Cause i don't see, or agree, that TiGs' opines are too inclined to show much bias, as hes too logical and an in depth thinker with introspect, to not critically think about that which he wishes to share and expose, as you deflect, and he wanted NH over Biden, so he being partisan would not fit, but i'll let him, if he should so choose, show you another argumeant for you to lose, as between you too , and i'll battle with N E 1, but since he and i are usally on the same page, it is more fun, and i need not have to think so much as it might send me in to a rage, i just wish i knew what book that page was on again, and also
i rarely know when to say when....
one more thing or two, when are Trumpers in the millions, rational anD sane, unless you take them, and put them IRR and IN
we ALL have some biases
Thank you for saying my positions are not partisan
That depends on what the issue is. For example, I'm quite capable of being non-partisan when it comes to American politics, although how they might affect me or my loved ones personally might have some influence. However, when it comes to Israel I'm partisan as hell and I'm not embarrassed by it.
my biases won't allow me to view this question in a non partisan way, but i will say, we All have biases, as we cannot help it. Our social environments shape US and will instill some bias in us all
Nor should you be, as it is something held dear to you, and since I am not well read on the events there, I was a tad ambiguous the other evening, and not stated disrespectfully, as I believe Thomas was correct in the overall motive for the wordings, seemed stated to push one to take a side, which I cannot without further knowledge, currently do in good faith. But I do respect your passion for 'your' people, as I was part of my fathers significant others Jewish celebrations, and can appreciate your perspective.
My perspective is also molded by personal Israel experiences that I have often related on this site, which is one of the reasons I give little credence to those whose opinions about Israel are stated with no personal experience in or about Israel.