Sabotage!
Link to quote: Harris accepts rules for Sept. 10 debate with Trump on ABC, including microphone muting | AP News
Tonight is the one and only debate between former President Trump and VP Kamala Harris. It will be a record setting 7th debate for any President for Donald Trump and very likely his last Presidential debate. For Harris it is a must win since all of the media's labors failed to put any distance between her and Trump. As a matter of fact, not only is the honeymoon over, but her slide has begun. ( A recent Times/Sienna Poll now has Trump with a slight lead over Harris nationally.) I have to assume that ABC is going to go beyond the reasonable even-handed debate that CNN allowed Trump-Biden. IMO ABC will try to destroy the Trump candidacy once and for all tonight.
Harris has been preparing non-stop for the debate for the better part of a week. Donald Trump has not prepared at all. He is depending on his insticts for the forgotten American middle class to carry him through.
The 90-minute debate is hosted by ABC News at Philadelphia’s National Constitution Center. The debate starts at 9 p.m. EST.
The rules (once demanded by president Biden):
Candidates will stand at a podium, muting microphones throughout the debate except for when it’s the candidate’s turn to speak and excluding props or pre-written notes on stage. The candidates will have a pen, pad of paper and a bottle of water. During the commercial breaks, the candidates will not be able to communicate with their campaign staff. standing at a podium, muting microphones throughout the debate except for when it’s the candidate’s turn to speak and excluding props or pre-written notes on stage. debate will have two commercial breaks and no live audience.
There will be no opening statements and each candidate will be allotted two minutes to answer each question and a two-minute rebuttal. The candidates will also be given an additional minute for a follow-up, clarification or response. At the end of the debate, each candidate will have two minutes for a closing statement.
David Muir and Linsey Davis will moderate the debate. Muir is the anchor and managing editor of ABC News’ “World News Tonight.” Davis anchors “ABC News Live Prime.”
In the New York Times morning newsletter, the Times laid out the questions that ABC should ask former President Trump:
The economy
1. The signature legislation of your presidency was a tax cut that disproportionately helped the wealthy. Now you want to make this legislation permanent — and expand it. How will a tax cut geared toward the rich help most American families?
2. The federal debt is already large, and your tax cut would expand it. Do you have any plans to reduce the debt?
3. You have sent mixed signals about whether you will again try to repeal Obamacare. Will you? And when will you release your own health care plan, as you’ve long promised?
4. You have proposed a big tariff on goods coming into this country. Many business executives and economists say it will raise consumer prices. Why do you think they’re wrong?
5. You have signaled that you want to end the Federal Reserve’s independence and help set interest rates yourself. When other countries have politicized their central banks, inflation has tended to rise. Why do you favor this idea?
6. You promised to pass an infrastructure bill as president but didn’t. President Biden did — along with bipartisan laws on veterans’ health, manufacturing and more. Why has he been a more bipartisan president than you were?
Other domestic issues
7. You’ve said that you are proud of the demise of Roe v. Wade and that states should decide abortion policy. Will you promise to veto any congressional bill that imposes new restrictions on states?
8. Many abortions occur through prescription medications. Five months ago, you said you would announce a policy on medication abortion, but you haven’t. Will you take executive actions to restrict its availability?
9. You promised to build a border wall — a policy that many voters support — but you completed only modest sections of it. Why should voters believe you will succeed in a second term?
10. You have called for the mass deportation of illegal immigrants. Whom exactly would you deport — everybody who’s in this country illegally, including children and people who’ve been here for years, or only some groups? And how would you identify and apprehend people?
11. Extreme heat, severe storms and flooding have all become more common. Yet you’ve called climate change “not our problem.” Are you worried about the world you’re leaving to your grandchildren?
Foreign policy
12. You’ve suggested that Vladimir Putin should have a freer hand to do what he wants in Europe. Would you try to withdraw the U.S. from NATO?
13. You have criticized U.S. military aid to Ukraine and pledged to end the war there in a single day. Isn’t this effectively calling for Ukraine to surrender and accept a peace deal favorable to Putin?
14. You have promised to bring home the hostages in Gaza. How would you persuade or force Hamas to release them all?
15. Middle East policy during your presidency often followed the wishes of Benjamin Netanyahu, Israel’s prime minister. His unwillingness to compromise on big questions appears to be an obstacle to peace. Do you disagree with him on anything?
16. If Iran appeared to be building a nuclear weapon, would you order a military attack?
17. You were tougher on China than your predecessors. But you also recently abandoned your opposition to China’s ownership of TikTok, evidently after being lobbied by a Republican donor. Are you willing to stand up to China even if it costs your allies money?
Trump himself
18. You tried to overturn the 2020 election result after Biden beat you. Do you believe in American democracy?
19. On Jan. 6, 2021, rioters attacked police officers at the Capitol. You’ve praised those rioters, raised money for them, pledged to pardon them and met with their relatives. Do you understand why this angers officers who were injured in the attack and the families of those who died afterward?
20. A jury found that you had sexually abused E. Jean Carroll. Another jury convicted you for falsifying records to cover up an affair. And you have a long record of demeaning women . Do you regret any of this behavior?
21. You used your power as president to enrich yourself and your family, including by holding events at your properties. Will you do so again?
22. The governments of Saudi Arabia, Qatar and the U.A.E. have invested billions of dollars with a fund run by Jared Kushner, your son-in-law, even though he has little relevant investment experience. Do you think they’re trying to curry favor with you through him?
23. Four years from now, you would be 82. In public appearances, you sometimes give incoherent answers, including a recent one about child care . Will you release your complete medical records?
24. Multiple people who watched you up close as president — including your vice president and a chief of staff — say that you’re unfit to be president . Why do so many of your own appointees feel this way?
The Morning Newsletter - The New York Times (nytimes.com)
With that, Donald Trump should be on the defensive all night long.
In the news:
Israel struck inside a humanitarian area in the southern Gaza Strip, saying its target was a military command center. An unknown Gaza official told the msm that 40 civilians were killed.
Justice Elena Kagan said Americans were right to worry about the Supreme Court soon limiting contraceptive access and same-sex marriage.
A small town in Ohio has been overrun with 20,000 Haitian migrants.
Ukrainian civilians increasingly support negotiations with Moscow to end the war, but soldiers are skeptical about a deal according to the WSJ.
The U.S. Department of Justice said an illegal immigrant has reached an agreement to plead guilty to charges related to stealing a U.S. citizen's identity to vote in multiple elections and fraudulently obtain an American passport.
DOJ: Illegal immigrant stole US citizen's identity to vote in multiple elections, obtain American passport (yahoo.com)
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James Earl Jones in 2012. Todd Heisler/The New York Times
James Earl Jones has died at 93.
A great loss to those who of us who love watching the movies. He may have left us, but his voice never will.
And they say he stuttered as a child.
He did Shakespeare as I think Shakespeare would have liked.
Busy/busy!
This is where the 538 polling aggregate is this morning. We can come back in a week and compare to see what effect, if any, the debate has on polling.
The poll, from The New York Times and Siena College , has Trump at 48 percent to 47 percent for Harris among likely voters, within the poll’s margin of error. The results are similar to a survey from the pair from July, right after President Joe Biden dropped his reelection bid.
The poll comes ahead of Harris and Trump’s ABC News debate on Tuesday night, the only scheduled debate so far between the two candidates. And that debate could be even more crucial for the vice president: According to the poll, 28 percent of likely voters said they feel like they need to learn more about Harris, compared to 9 percent who said they need to know more about Trump.
Additionally, 47 percent of likely voters viewed Harris as too liberal, while 32 percent of likely voters saw Trump as too conservative.
The NYT/Siena survey is one of the few high-quality, national polls that did not show the vice president receiving at least a small bump following her quickly capturing the nomination and her coronation at the party’s nominating convention last month in Chicago.
Harris, Trump deadlocked in new New York Times poll (msn.com)
Both your poll and my posted aggregate say the same thing. Now let's wait a week after the debate and see if there is any significant change. I'll make no predictions...
Those things have a very unique interpretation for Nate Silver.
All the polling data, whether it comes from 538, RCP or anyone else all dictates a statistical tie. You can listen to any number of talking heads parsing data you want to confirm whatever bias you have, but the numbers remain the same...
Harris is polling slightly ahead of Trump, but still within the margin of error. Nothing more, nothing less.
Question of the day:
Will Harris try to taunt and insult Trump at the debate?
Better question without the implied double standard:
Will either candidate try to taunt and insult their opponent at the debate?
Progressives are hoping Trump does it.
I think Trump will be heavily baited.
Trump is a master baiter.
Name calling is never a sign of strength in a debate.
Your correct. Will we see Trump refer to Harris as - Laffin' Kamala, Lyin' Kamala Harris, Kamabla or Crazy Kamabla? Will he disparage her racial heritage?
I do expect Harris to bring up Trump's convictions at least once, but that would be a true fact though. Not something made up like a QAnon fever dream of Venezuelan drug gangs Trump likes to bring up at rallies.
oh, the irony...
Thank you.
I do expect Harris to bring up Trump's convictions at least once, but that would be a true fact though.
Not easy to do when answering unrelated questions.
trump will open that door for her ...
Perhaps Muir or Davis will ask her what she thinks of Trump.
WOW
You mean easily triggered
Isn't that what sunk Biden? IMO Harris will use attacks on Trump to deflect attention away from questions she doesn't want to or can't answer. But Harris will have to stand up and defend Biden's record since that's the only thing she has to run on. The debate will end Kamala Harris attempting to portray herself as an outsider on the inside. Harris does hold the legislative record as the VP who cast the most tie breaking votes in the history of the United States.
IMO Trump will work to tie Harris to Biden's record and will attack with contrasts between his and Biden's record. Actually Trump has the easiest task, all he has to do is stand there and let everyone else talk. The polling shows everyone knows Trump so there's really little need for Trump to say much at all. Trump effectively used the dead mic and split screen during the Biden debate. (BTW, that's the same strategy Trump used in debating Hillary Clinton. Remember way back when?)
If Harris attempts to use attacks to hide weaknesses in her argument then she'll end up a loser. That might persuade a jury but there won't be a debate audience and Harris would be throwing punches in the dark. If Muir and Davis get caught up in fact-checking or prosecuting Trump then voters will simply blow off the debate as a political hit job. The only way Trump loses is by rambling too much; he is the old guy on the stage now.
There are those who now say the Biden debate was a stress test, orchestrated by democrats.
IMO Harris will use attacks on Trump to deflect attention away from questions she doesn't want to or can't answer. But Harris will have to stand up and defend Biden's record since that's the only thing she has to run on. The debate will end Kamala Harris attempting to portray herself as an outsider on the inside. Harris does hold the legislative record as the VP who cast the most tie breaking votes in the history of the United States.
I'd like to believe that.
IMO Trump will work to tie Harris to Biden's record and will attack with contrasts between his and Biden's record. Actually Trump has the easiest task, all he has to do is stand there and let everyone else talk. The polling shows everyone knows Trump so there's really little need for Trump to say much at all. Trump effectively used the dead mic and split screen during the Biden debate. (BTW, that's the same strategy Trump used in debating Hillary Clinton. Remember way back when?)
Yes. I'm hoping Trump learned from the debate you haven't mentioned. The one moderated by Chris Wallace.
If Harris attempts to use attacks to hide weaknesses in her argument then she'll end up a loser. That might persuade a jury but there won't be a debate audience and Harris would be throwing punches in the dark. If Muir and Davis get caught up in fact-checking or prosecuting Trump then voters will simply blow off the debate as a political hit job. The only way Trump loses is by rambling too much; he is the old guy on the stage now.
I think he loses by trying to answer pointed questions.
trump will start the personal attacks in his first rebuttal, he'll carry it over to the next question reply time, and it will be a flat spin to impact until the commercial break. repeat.
it's funny, maga republicans are all saying trump will win if he can control himself, while everyone else is asking if anyone needs to ask that, is he really the type of person that americans deserve in the white house.
How does he do that if he is asked one of the questions in the article?
it's funny, maga republicans are all saying trump will win if he can control himself, while everyone else is asking if anyone needs to ask that, is he really the type of person that americans deserve in the white house.
They are "all saying?" I just made the case he will be sandbagged.
youtube has plenty of videos with kamala taking republicans to the woodshed. did you want me to post a few for those needing to have their memories jogged?
I know that Kamala can be a bastard, but this isn't that kind of debate. Supposedly, they are not allowed to ask each other questions.
Maybe. That's certainly within the realm of possibility. The impression I got was that Biden had prepared to debate a Trump that didn't show up. Trump essentially stood back and let Biden whup himself. (Bit of ironic karma in that.)
That debate didn't help Chris Wallace, either. Debate moderators have been gun shy about being suckered into the debate since that infamous night. ABC (and Disney) have a lot at stake with the debate, too. Guess we'll find out how disciplined Muir and Davis are.
Maybe. I still think Trump loses by looking like the old guy on the stage. Answering pointed questions won't do much damage since it's all stale old news. But trying to fill 2 minutes with rambling riffs will only make Trump the old guy. Just remember, Trump doesn't need to win the debate; Trump only needs to avoid screwing himself.
Like this one?
Why use the full two minutes? Answer the question and move on would be the best route for him to take.
trump is going to follow the rules now? is that why a kill mic switch is now a feature in trump debates?
He can operate within the rules. In the last debate with Biden, I don't know if you noticed, but he came in with about 10 things he wanted to focus on. He managed to fit them into the answers, which weren't really answers.
is that why a kill mic switch is now a feature in trump debates?
It is because Biden demanded it.
Yeah, I agree. Trump's answers to all the pointed questions are already in the can. No need to rehash stale news. Trump won't change anyone's mind about those issues at this point. It's old news, already answered, move on.
Kamala Harris needs to be duct taped to Biden's record; she was in the room after all. Trump rehashing canned answers to stale questions won't do that. Trump answering Harris' attacks with silence would do more to rattle Harris than anything else Trump could do. Trump silence would force Harris to talk about her record and her agenda. And that's the glue that binds Harris to Biden.
The one exchange I would like to see would be questions about Trump being fit to hold office. The answer to that pointed question should be that Trump has won primaries; Trump is on the stage because voters wanted him there. Why is Harris fit for office? Why is Harris on the debate stage?
I'd love to see at least one of them!
Sometimes I almost wish that were true and there were some secret Democrat "deep state" "orchestrating" things behind the scenes, that way we wouldn't have to suffer the fools like Trump and his mind-numbingly stupid sycophants and self-righteous conservative Christian pricks trying to assert themselves as our religious overlords and proclaiming themselves the only "true" Americans. If there was a secret cabal running things they would be far more competent and not stick their feet in their mouths as often as the Democrats have. I think Democrats are more competent than Republicans but sadly not by much which is why what should be a landslide victory over a convicted felon and just disgusting vile sexual predator narcissist like Trump is still such a close race.
Trump is impervious to learning new things, he believes everything he does is a fucking miracle, and he has a bunch of bootlicking sycophants confirming his bias at every step so there's no way he'll change anything, he'll just double down like he always does. And his low IQ fans and supporters will just eat it up. He could literally piss in their faces and tell them it's raining lemonade, and they're gleefully gulp it down and tell everyone it's the best tasting lemonade they've ever had.
That's because he doesn't have a single cogent answer, he only has rhetoric and lies to shovel but that won't matter to his sycophants, and it just make his opponents shake their heads in wonder at how his base sticks to him no matter what nonsense comes out of his mouth.
gee, I wonder why...
LMAO... You mean act like trump? Probably not Vic..
LOL, what other avenue do you think she'll take?....
Espouse her policies? Would those be the ones she lifted from the Biden campaign or her actual policies?
D emocrats are privately acknowledging growing anxiety over the Tuesday night debate between Vice President Harris and former President Trump, arguing that how Harris performs could go a long way in defining her as a candidate.
Four years ago, Harris enjoyed a good night against former Vice President Mike Pence, and that debate might be best remembered for the fly that landed on Pence’s head.
Harris’s public appearances have been tightly scripted since President Biden exited the race and handed her the baton, and a long evening behind the debate podium with only a pad of paper, a pen and a bottle of water presents an array of uncertainties that makes Democrats nervous.
Democratic anxiety over debate grows ahead of Harris-Trump match-up (msn.com)
Maybe because I didn't watch the debate the fly is the only thing I remember about it. However, since I was able to watch the DNC live on Canada's CTV NEWS internet channel, I hope to be able to watch this debate on that site.
It's now approaching 10 p.m. here, and my bed is calling to me.
Have a good night, Buzz.
Disappointment. For the first time ever in my experience CTV blocked its live-streaming. I was able to watch it on ABC but in a broken manner, it kept freezing on and off. I was only able to get a good idea about what was being said from the updates on this site: -> Trump-Harris debate live updates: Candidates go on attack in zinger-filled showdown - ABC News
I'm not interested in the viewpoints of the NT members with their for or against crap, and I don't trust most polls since they're too easy to manipulate, so I guess the answer will not be obvious until the votes are counted in November.
And at least I'll get a Canadian viewpoint here: LINK -> (1) What happened at the Harris-Trump debate? Here are the key takeaways - National | Globalnews.ca
Everyone knows Trump is going to be a fuck up in the debate, so there is no mystery there. The only intrigue comes with Harris.
I think everyone knows that ABC is in the tank.
how much has ABC paid, so far, in settling lawsuits with partisan bias issues? is it more than $787.5 million?
That isn't a standard in determining bias.
it's about journalistic integrity and credibility.
settling a lawsuit for $787.5 million instead of losing $1.6 billion at trial would seem to refute that.
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No, only those who believe anything the former 'president' convicted felon and rapist says.
You think Trump is going to get a fair deal tonight?
"“The truth matters. Lies have consequences,” Dominion lawyer Justin Nelson told reporters outside a Delaware courthouse after Superior Court Judge Eric Davis announced the deal.
Outside of the $787.5 million promised to Colorado-based Dominion, it was unclear what other consequences Fox would face. Fox acknowledged in a statement “the court’s rulings finding certain claims about Dominion to be false ,”.
Fox, Dominion reach $787.5M settlement over false election claims | AP News
The lawsuit wasn't specifically about bias, though if you believe Fox isn't biased then clearly [ ✘ ] or you don't know what the definition of "bias" is. The suit just proved that Fox lies to its viewers which most Americans with more than half a brain have known for years.
I think he's been given far more "fair deals" when he's interviewed than he deserves and rarely gets called out on his reckless and feckless behavior and rambling nonsensical answers that would get him laughed out of even a high school debate club. Even so, he'll have overwhelming undeserved sympathy from his mindless sycophants claiming he was "sabotaged" or treated unfairly no matter how the debate turns out because there's nothing that right-wing conservative Christians love more than playing the eternal victim.
Tough shit Ohio.
Bernie says Kamala is still a far left progressive, she is simply saying what will get her elected. If she wins, she'll govern as a progressive.
Bernie Sanders told the truth about Kamala Harris trying to fool voters. Believe him.
Yes, she is lying to get elected.
I don't think the country is looking to become San Fransisco.
Mike Johnson's continuing resolution in hot water as GOP reps announce opposition.
Here we go again!
Is Johnson going to shut down the government?
Only the dems can do it. The bill is provided by House Republicans.
Take it or shut down the government.
There may be enough Freedom Caucus members against a continuing resolution to sink it before it hits the Senate. Massy said he's not voting for it already. Even Biggs in the appropriations committee said he'll try to tack on amendments before he votes yes.
If they can get the 5 democrats who voted for it before to do it again, they may be fine.
We'll see when it goes to the floor. If it goes to the floor tomorrow then I would assume Johnson is confident he can get it passed. IF they have to wait and rewrite provisions then perhaps not.
It is a toss up.
Perhaps an additional paid vacation for me after the end of the month.
The do nothing republicons are still trying to pass a bill that is not necessary.
Then why don't democrats pass it so we can have a temporary budget?
Not necessary to pass an unnecessary bill
If it is meaningless, why not pass it rather than shut down the government?
I find it funny that when Democrats are the majority in congress and want to pass a bill to fund the government Republicans blame them if they don't make enough concessions and give Republicans what they want, and when Republicans are the majority they still blame Democrats for any potential shutdown if they don't accept the Republican bill without any concessions for Democrats. Heads I win, tails you lose...
There are two questions that must be asked of Trump
1.." Who WON the 2020 election.? " Not who is the president, who won.
2.. "When Jake Tapper asked you in the June debate to say what you were doing for three hours on the afternoon of Jan 6th, you tried to change the subject to Nancy Pelosi, and the border. No more stalling, what were you doing on the afternoon of Jan 6th? "
Joe Biden.
2.. "When Jake Tapper asked you in the June debate to say what you were doing for three hours on the afternoon of Jan 6th, you tried to change the subject to Nancy Pelosi, and the border. No more stalling, what were you doing on the afternoon of Jan 6th? "
Telling protestors to go peacefully.
LOL. You are a good MAGA, hear no evil see no evil, speak no evil (about J6). On the afternoon of Jan 6th trump was making phone calls to people in Congress asking them to go along with the eastman plan to delay the certification. He was doing this instead of either telling the rioters to stop, or calling out the national guard and other LE to put down the riot. Why was he so disinterested in stopping the riot? Its simple, he wanted it to succeed.
I'll let that go.
On the afternoon of Jan 6th trump was making phone calls to people in Congress asking them to go along with the eastman plan to delay the certification. He was doing this instead of either telling the rioters to stop, or calling out the national guard and other LE to put down the riot. Why was he so disinterested in stopping the riot? Its simple, he wanted it to succeed.
How could it succeed? It was a protest that got out of hand. At no point was there any danger of the election results being reversed.
You are making the rather pathetic argument that since Trump didnt succeed its all good and lets have him back for four more years. The issue with Trump is not whether he succeeded, it is his blatant dereliction of duty. He knew the US Capitol was under assault, inuurrection or riot, and did nothing to stop it. It disqualifies him from ever holding office again.
Trump knows this of course. Why do you think has totally refused to answer the question? Back in the spring Kristen Welker of NBC asked him what he was doing while the riot was going on and he said "I'm not going to tell you that".
No, I am making the argument that:
A) The Trump years were great for America
and
B) We don't need another minute of Biden's/Harris radical left policies.
Trump knows this of course. Why do you think has totally refused to answer the question? Back in the spring Kristen Welker of NBC asked him what he was doing while the riot was going on and he said "I'm not going to tell you that".
As I point out in the article, I am sure ABC will stack the deck with those kinds of questions.
Trump is not fit for office, not just because of "January 6th", although that is part of it.
He's not fit for office, and nothing on this earth can change that. We have a situation now where millions of people know that in their hearts and dont care. That is why we are a degraded country.
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That's not working.
We have a situation now where millions of people know that in their hearts and dont care.
What we have, John, are millions of people who had their livelihoods undermined by bad trade deals and those people have been looked down upon. Trump resonates with them
They won't be stopped.
Policies come and go. Traitorous behavior is a through line in human history. A traitor should not be leading a nation. If Trump wins America spirals down.
No, they don't come and go. As Obama once said: they change the trajectory of America.
Traitorous behavior
No, Trump is not the traitor. As a matter of fact, he is the countries savior.
Have you seen the new Atlantic cover? For the first time there is no headline.
I'm entitling it: "To the rescue!"
The problem with you trying to make such an argument is that you have shown time and time again that you know absolutely nothing about the plot to overthrow the 2020 election. You dont have any possibility of refuting the assertion that Trump is a traitor.
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Is that I won't be fooled.
Especially when it is America First vs Marxism. Those are fairly high stakes.
Maybe because the Dem candidate is too busy pretending she isn't an incumbent and has tried to distance herself from the policies she and her boss instituted
Hard to do even for a skilled politician.
Pretending policies don't matter shows a lack of understanding of politics.
Among other things.
They put up anybody thinking they'll win with anti-Trump votes. That may have worked in 2020, but people then had to live under Biden. It won't be so easy this time.
It's an old fashioned hearse. Is he going to whip that poor elephant to death when he gets to the Capitol steps?
He is going to drive the deep state authoritarians out of DC.
What the image actually means is that Trump is bringing the circus back, in a very dark way.
But they didn't caption it.
Thus, I took the initiative.
No, what it symbolizes is the fact he is bringing the worn-down GOP (thus the elephant) back to DC to bring it (the party as well as DC itself) back to full life.
That's right because they didn't know what the hell they were getting.
And replace them with his own
He served as President remember?
You know Trout, I asked somebody here what Trump policy didn't help the country.
Do you think he said Trump's economy?
Or Trump's secure border?
Or Trump's energy independence?
Or Trump's fair-trade deals?
Or Trump's foreign policy of PEACE through strength?
No, he couldn't comment on any of those.
He said he didn't like Trump's covid response. The same one that had a vaccine in 10 months and less deaths than Biden had with everything Trump developed.
That is what is so sad, Trout.
trmp didn't help me with his so-called tax break. I got an extra 60 bucks a month. That doesn't cover my tobacco habit. His covid response was weak. He kept saying it was going to go away....it took nearly 3 years for the damn pandemic to slow down enough to get everybody back to work. Peace thru strength? Do YOU even know what that means? It doesn't mean throwing bombs at somebody and hoping some of them blow up. It's diplomacy by showing how strong you are.
You know what makes me sad....that somebody with the intelligence you display here honestly says with a straight face that he will destroy the "deep state authoritarianism"
He's an authoritarian, Vic! Why can't you see that? He wants to wipe his ass with the constitution
To the rescue?
The death of the gop.
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As I recall a few groceries weren't costing me $50.
Peace thru strength?
Yup, the world was at peace as opposed to now.
It's diplomacy by showing how strong you are.
I see. Since you know about such things, I have two questions:
1) why hasn't "diplomacy" worked for Biden?
2) Explain this:
I can't.
I see General Patton with few medals on his chest and the other guy has a fruit salad (that's what we called it in the Air Force....oh wait....you hate when I mention my service...sorry!)
They probably didn't hand out medals like candy during WW1 and WWII like they do today. And General Patton was an actual warrior. That other guy is army, looks like. He probably didn't see combat in his youth. And by the time the SW Asia conflict began, this guy was already polishing his stars and going to work in an office somewhere.
You only pay 50 bucks for groceries? Do you actually cook meals or eat out all the time?
Never convicted of treason, repeating that a hundred times still doesn't make it true.[✘]
More people crossed the border during Trump's term than in either of Obamas terms.
Perhaps a global draught and the fall of civilization?...
It's like a Rorschach test. Some sad traitor apologists see the picture and see Trump to the rescue while others recognize the darkness and death images, the dead tree and Raven, are being brought by Trump to the Capital that still has some light surrounding it as it tries to ward off the P.T. Barnum of death and disfunction caging, whipping and abusing the last hope for our nation, the once mighty Elephant.
I dont think it is Mark Milleys fault there was no world war going on while he served.
Having seen the articles in that issue of The Atlantic I can assure everyone they are not depicting Trump to the rescue.
I stand corrected. Thank-you
I'm sure jim jordan will soon launch another house investigation to find out how many teenage boys... er, ... gang members are on those flights...
How many Haitians did they bring in?
Times up:
More than three-hundred-thousand Haitians are living here legally thanks to Harris-Biden.
Misrepresentation?
lol
I expect ABC will do it's best to put Trump on the defensive and appear as the incumbent and set Harris up with questions to attack Trump. Trump will be treated as the incumbent, Harris won't have to defend the last fours.
Other than that, I have no idea what will happen. Trump's always a wild card.
Kamala is facing a sympathetic network and moderator. She probably has been fed the questions which will very likely be tilted to favor her and against Trump. Another rigged debate, in other words.
Way to go, setting up excuses before the debate happens, trump would be proud.
If Trump does poorly his ignorant racist base will claim it was all rigged. And if he does well, they'll still claim it was rigged but somehow, against all odds, their champion and savior Dear Fuhrer Donald outsmarted the Dastardly Decepticons. Heads they win, tails we lose...
The idea, which we have heard in the media, that Trump is a good debater is nonsense. He was a serial liar in the June debate. That is good? LOL.
If our pundits were at all honest no one would call him a good debater.
I just checked: Kamala's supposed fast-food gig at McDonald's is now missing from her official campaign page bio.
What happened?
Trump mistook it for a Big Mac and ate it.
I'm sure ABC won't be asking her about it.
Why would they?
Trump lies dozens of times every day and they are worried about Harris summer job at McDonalds.
Character matters!
How about her riding in that yellow bus when California was integrated?
If you actually believed that you would have called for Trump to drop out two or three years ago.
This "memory"...........
Your hero has zero
That is the mantra of a few. So why doesn't Kamala need it?
Oh, those electric school buses.
Ya, that was chilling testimony.
More than anyone has ever seen!
So a person has a low character if they worked at McDonald's?
Your snobbery is showing
When I was in the food service industry not that long ago, I knew a few customers who obviously felt that way.
The way they made a nasty fucking mess and would just leave it for the lowly peasant minimum wage earner. These were usually obviously people with some money and who never tipped and went out of their way to be assholes.
JFC
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I worked my way thru college working fast food, waiting tables, and tending bar. Waiting tables was probably the hardest. The worse people would come in at least 2X a month, make a nasty mess, order a single plate salad, but kept going back to the salad bar, and never left a tip.
I remember this one lady and her friends who would bring their kids and the kids would all run wild and they would take up/make up three tables - rearrange all the tables and chairs - make a goddamned unreal mess - like they tell the kids to make as much mess as possible - and forget how to use a trash can - and leave all their trash on the table and all over the floor and leave the chairs and tables that they rearranged not bothering to put back in place. A godawful mess that I was left to clean up. I just knew they had nannies and housekeepers at home and never lifted a damned finger to do anything.
Not the point and not what he said. She lied.
what the fuck are you talking about? Please enlighten me
You are wrong. Harris did work at McDonald's...
He is saying Harris lied about working at McDonald's. Except, Harris did work at McDonald's for a while...
Is what you said. She had never worked at McDonalds and had lied about it. Thus pointing to character. NOT the fact that people what work at Mickey D's have/had no character. That is what in the fuck I am talking about.
That's not the way he made it sound.
But she did. From JBB's link above:
Sounds like somebody needs to back up and tell everybody sorry for lying about VP Harris's job resume and her character
I can't stand the lies that are being spread about Tim Walz and his honorable service.
The only ones who give a shit about Kamala working at McDonald's are the gop because her allegedly not working there means what anyway???????????????????????????????
But since it's not true - how desperate can the gop be if this is all they have? A whole lotta nothin'.
McDonalds, it seems, hasn't confirmed nor denied she worked there.
Doesn't mean she did...........or didn't of course.
Harris cant prove she worked at a local McDonalds for a summer 41 years ago.. Hang her !
This is so stupid.
Trump has claimed that he was number one in his class in the business school at University of Pennsylvania. One of his professors has said that Trump was one of the dumbest students he ever had.
Why right wingers want to discuss "character" issues when Trump is their candidate is a real head scratcher.
I can take the first line out while the firewall stays on too. How about the meat of the article? That is the ONLY source I can find that says she did. Maybe the writer is basing it on her claims that he/she did to let everyone know he/she did too. Let's see some of the verbiage with a time frame ya think?
Hey jbb, why don't you post some of the meat for us?
Thanks
Her "campaign" told PolitiFact.................'Nuff said
McDonald's probably won't weigh in on this. They tend to stay out of the political theater
Funny I don't usually see some folks doing much retracting when proven wrong.
I just did a Google search for kamala harris and mcdonald's. I did find that she was never fired from a McDonald's for stealing and McDonald's has never made a statement saying she never worked at one of their franchises.
That's because there is no Tooth Fairy, there is no Santa Claus, and there's no Easter Bunny!
Sounds like low information democrats.
So far no one has been proven wrong so there's that......
And nobody's been proven right.
Let's just call this a dead issue and leave it here
Did she work at McDonalds?
Who cares?
The voters!
“What happened?”
From an immigrant, middle class family…became a lawyer, State Senator, Vice President of the United States, and candidate for the Presidency.
Not sure of your credentials, vic. Did your resume not include time spent at a fast food joint? It may be relevant to your time spent here.
Is it really all that awful to work a fast food joint when one is in their teens/early 20's? Is it really all that awful for any one of any age to work a fast food joint?
It really wasn't so bad. The money wasn't too bad and the people/owners were nice. I worked at McDonald's when I was around 18 for maybe a year, I forget, lord, that was so long ago!
It's worse I think when you're getting older like me and have to put up with anyone's shit. I'm kind of semi-retired right now and paid up my mortgage and condo fees up until I start collecting Social Security in December. Way sooner than I wanted to, but that's where I am now.
I worked at Burger King for about a week when I got the waitressing gig at a pizza joint
My best friend worked at Burger King for a while. I think he liked it.
I almost fell in the deep fat fryer my first day because the floors in the back were slippy from grease
anyone who works an honest days work is "good" when it comes to working. instead of people being grateful they are not working at burger king, some of them want to piss on those that do.
Yeah....we know who they are. We all weren't born with golden toilets in our mouths
In 2011 Occupation Wall Street was going on, and smaller protests like that developed in other cities.
I was walking down the street in downtown Chicago when I saw some of these "Occupy Wall St." protesters on a corner, so I stopped for a minute to see what was going on. Suddenly these pieces of paper started floating down from above. It happened to be that this protest was beneath the Board Of Trade building in Chicago (which is kind of like the Chicago version of Wall St.) The papers were being thrown out of the window of an office on the 14th or 15th floor, and it was traders dumping McDonalds job applications on the protesters.
That's funny, actualy
I suppose, but they were still arrogant pricks.
I won't get into how I feel about Occupy Wall Street but I will say it started out as a good idea and then it turned into a disaster
No and I doubt she ever did.
Let us be real. This ‘debate’ will not change a thing. The comments tomorrow will only confirm that fact…the fact that the lines have been drawn and the choice for those willing to cast a vote for either candidate is clear.
November 5th is all that matters, with the down ballot votes deciding the tenor of the next four years. Will trump become the lamest of lame ducks with an emasculated Congress bending to his retribution platform or will Harris be the next president to simply survive the worst state of devious, divisive, and dangerous times we have faced in our lifetimes?
The former poses an existential threat while the latter, at the very least, gives us a glimmer of hope in moving forward instead of limping back.
What of the 18% still undecided?
“What of the 18% still undecided?”
cite? reality? anyone?
Who are these undecided voters? How a 'Torn 20' may swing the election (usatoday.com)
I'm going to be hopefully working at the polls this upcoming election. I submitted my application the other day.
Me too!
Good on you.
The training, the established practices, and the bipartisan infrastructure ensures a safe and reliable outcome…regardless of the unsubstantiated allegations already being made.
And good on you, too.
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Republicans against Trump
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Q. Would you have certified the 2020 election? JD Vance: No. “I would have asked the states to submit alternative slates of electors and ask the country to have a debate”
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Let’s be clear: This is illegal and unconstitutional. The American people had voted. The courts had ruled. The Electoral College had met and voted. The Governor in every state had certified the results and sent a legal slate of electors to the Congress to be counted. The Vice President has no constitutional authority to tell states to submit alternative slates of electors because his candidate lost. That is tyranny. Our institutions held on Jan 6 because Mike Pence refused to violate his oath to the Constitution. Trump picked JD Vance because Vance will do whatever Trump wants, including violating the Constitution. They are both far too dangerous to serve. It’s our duty to stop them.
aint that the truth
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