Strangers in their own land
Our dishonest left-wing media is out bombarding the news cycle with a shiny object known as "Haitians eating pets." To American citizens living in the town of Springfield Ohio (a town of just under 60,000 people) the country is at a crossroads. Their resources, especially health care are under enormous strain due to the resettlement of approximately 20,000 Haitians by the Biden/Harris administration. Not to mention the complaints of residents concerning the uptick in crime, mayhem and car crashes due to the massive influx of new residents.
The Governor of Ohio is IMO a decent man. Last week he announced that he'll be funneling resources to help ease the influx. Those resources amount to $2.5 million over the course of two years for the county health department and other health care centers. The question Governor DeWine keeps asking is why the migrants were sent to Springfield?
The answer, of course, relates to the results of the 2020 election. As Barack Obama famously said elections have consequences and none more so than the election of 2020. That was the election in which Joe Biden pretended to be a moderate while hiding in his basement as the dishonest media blamed Donald Trump for the pandemic. It was the election which gave rise to the democrat party’s left flank. Progressives, especially the college graduates, wanted to decriminalize border crossings, ban fracking, abolish private health insurance and defund the police. Joe Biden embraced those radical policies as president alienating traditional Americans. In 4 years, the nation was subjected to a wide-open southern border, rampant inflation as a consequence of a green new deal and rampant crime as local law enforcement was emasculated.
My question is a little different from DeWine's. Who is speaking on behalf of the people of Ohio?
I think I know the answer. It is the guy who has barely escaped two assassination attempts.
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A democrat supporter (Ryan Routh, 58) who wrote a book which he self-published last year, in which he accused Donald Trump of threatening American democracy, tried to kill the former President yesterday.
Russia is escalating its bombing campaign against Kyiv and other big Ukrainian cities.
A senior Hamas official, in an interview with The New York Times, maintained that the group was winning the war in Gaza.
Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg’s office is being sued for any and all records of any communication related to the prosecution of former President Trump between prosecutors and the Biden-Harris campaign, the Democratic National Convention and other groups.
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Cornell University professor Russel Rickford is back teaching at the school after calling the Oct. 7 attacks against Israel "exhilarating" last year.
Don't they teach the difference between right and wrong at Cornell?
As I saw someone say, imagine a professor calling the lynchings of blacks exhilarating and then teaching students a few months later. Double standards abound.
That is unimaginable. Nowhere would that happen.
The first paragraph is all lies. The rest is not worth reading.
How would you know if you didn't read it?
gee, that's real head scratcher, go figure ...
No, they know what keeps the base riled up!!
Since Trump and Vance can't stop bringing it up?
And the proud boys show up in Springfield?
A little fact-straightening needed here:
It is obviously ridiculous to blame Trump for the pandemic. However, it is quite correct to blame Trump that the number of American deaths from it were excessive. Proof: He was taped by Woodward ADMITTING in his own words that he delayed doing anything substantial about it for about a month because "he didn't want the people to panic." Did FDR delay declaring war on the Japanese for a month because "he didn't want the people to panic"?
What a joke. There is no way they are winning the war in Gaza, but they have ALREADY won the propaganda war around the world, including America, and even among the Israelis. The widespread existence of antisemitism has been helping them a lot. I firmly believe that this is their playbook, and it has been succeeding immensely:
LINK > Hamas document reveals psychological warfare strategy using the hostages | Israel National News - Arutz Sheva
And I'm sure you wouldn't ignore a super-Christian far-right source - CBN NEWS :
Hamas’s Psychological Warfare Against Israel | CBN NewsWatch September 5, 2024 | CBN
Besides confirming my point about Hamas' psychological warfare, there is an interesting story tying the Philippines to Israel that I never before knew about.
Even when we disagree on something, you always recognize facts.
Proof: He was taped by Woodward ADMITTING in his own words that he delayed doing anything substantial about it for about a month because "he didn't want the people to panic." Did FDR delay declaring war on the Japanese for a month because "he didn't want the people to panic"?
No, that's politics, my friend. FDR didn't delay a declaration of war on Japan, but one thing FDR did do was convince a generation of Americans that he knew how to get out of the Great Depression, even though he didn't. In that way FDR and Trump are alike. Trump developed a vaccine in record time and did what Dr Fauci recommended.
There is no way they are winning the war in Gaza, but they have ALREADY won the propaganda war around the world, including America, and even among the Israelis. The widespread existence of antisemitism has been helping them a lot. I firmly believe that this is their playbook, and it has been succeeding immensely:
I agree and I will have some good news from the middle east later this morning. Another tribute to the will of Israel to overcome the odds against them.
Besides confirming my point about Hamas' psychological warfare, there is an interesting story tying the Philippines to Israel that I never before knew about.
Very interesting.
Buzz, it is always a pleasure.
Thank you, Vic.
Speaking of knowing the difference between right and wrong.
I would not have heard about it except from the Former President Trump and his super mouth VP candidate who already admitted he knowingly spread the rumor as fact.
Correct, over the past decade a 1990 George Bush program associated with his Immigration Act of 1990 has allowed Hattians to use the TPS program to legally enter the country to seek work. There is no path to citizenship.
FALSE! Large numbers of Hattians have been emigrating to the US under TPS since 2010.
Residents always seem to complain about something...when I visited Haiti 20 years ago they drove on both sides of the road, mayhem.
Agreed, the growing businesses are still advertising for more employees - they are about profit not infrastructure.
I guess the real question is why would you mislead us by lying about De Wine? He knows damn well why there are Hattians in Dayon, Springfield and Clark County, they legally answered the call for employment with cheap housing.
The migrants weren't dumped there by Biden or Harris, they were invited during the Trump years by Springfield.
If you don't want read about Haitians eating pets, please ask Mr. Trump and Mr. Vance to stop spreading the rumors.
Easy peasy.
The important things that Donald Trump says and more importantly does, we seldom hear about. Let him say something he shouldn't and the media beats him up with it for weeks.
Correct, over the past decade a 1990 George Bush program associated with his Immigration Act of 1990 has allowed Hattians to use the TPS program to legally enter the country to seek work. There is no path to citizenship.
That is part of it.
Large numbers of Hattians have been emigrating to the US under TPS since 2010.
That is part of it.
And here is the other part you are not talking about:
SAN DIEGO (AP) — About 300,000 Haitians already in the United States will now be eligible for temporary legal status allowing them to remain in the U.S. and work because conditions in the strife-torn Caribbean nation are considered unsafe for them to return, the Homeland Security Department said Friday.
The decision marks a major expansion of Temporary Protected Status for Haitians and won praise from many in the Haitian and immigration advocacy community.
The TPS designation was created by Congress in 1990 to prevent deportations to countries suffering natural disasters or civil strife. The Homeland Security secretary can grant temporary protection for different nationalities based on conditions in their home countries. It’s generally for a designated period, and people have to apply for the protection and prove they qualify for it. The protection also allows them to apply for a work permit.
This expansion will apply to Haitians who were in the United States on June 3 and will last until Feb. 3, 2026. Anyone arriving after June 3 would not qualify. Separately, Mayorkas also extended the Temporary Protected Status of an estimated 200,000 Haitians who already had it. Their extension will also last through Feb. 3, 2026.
Biden administration extends temporary legal status to 300,000 Haitians, drawing a contrast to Trump | AP News
I'm promising not to beat Trump up for the fact that he confused Alaska with Afghanistan last night.
If you were paying attention to my lessons, that was indeed included in my comments and notes.
In fact besides Biden every POTUS since 2010 has had to extend TPS at least twice, sometimes three times,
as it can only be extended for maximum of 18 month increments at a time.
That includes the Trump Pence Administration which had several opportunities to take away TPS yet extended it.
The bottom line is that the Haitians are here legally by the permission of the last three Administrations.
Blaming Biden for extending TPS again is a child's argument.
The Haitians are here legally and weren't dumped anywhere by any Administration.
Springfield OH, Dayton OH and Clark County OH employers love them and want more.
They aren't going anywhere soon.
or Pennsylvania and Arizona?
Hillary Clinton last night on MSNBC: "The press needs to create a consistent narrative about how dangerous he is"
Question of the day: Is that the kind of rhetoric that inspires crazies to try and assassinate Donald Trump?
The Libertarian Party of New Hampshire posted on X and later deleted, "Anyone who murders Kamala Harris would be an American hero."
Clinton and the Libertarian Party of New Hampshire are fomenting violence. Which has the broader reach?
Rep. Dan Goldman called for Donald Trump to be eliminated on national TV and it wasn't later deleted.
This isn't about who is worse or how many people. This is about the totality of violent political rhetoric. I don't know Goldman's context, but if it's deemed volent in nature then he should be censured and admonished at the very least.
In the age of instant global communications I don't think you have a valid argument. EVERYONE needs to tone it down and start being respectful. NO EXCEPTIONS.
Actually, it is.
Violence seems to appeal to the far-left base. I think that is the reason that democrat leaders use the rhetoric they do. Did you watch the DNC convention? What got the most applause? Was it democrats presenting their vision or democrats spewing hate for Trump?
Watch and listen to this.................
Seeking relevance. Inciting all the way....................
I already saw it.
She just couldn't get over her loss. And Obama put his money on her as well.
Predictably your reply is more about partisanship than ethics.
And you ignore the years and years of violence of the far right base. I've complied a list for you before that you conveniently forget.
I have better things to do with my life.
Ethics means acknowledging facts and being able to admit that something is wrong. I will let our readers judge for themselves on the ETHICS around here.
And you ignore the years and years of violence of the far right base. I've complied a list for you before that you conveniently forget.
And you forgot that the 2020 rioters were never really held accountable.
I have better things to do with my life.
Then you don't get to call the people who do pay attention partisan.
The irony in that post is probably lost on you.
This doesn't have anything to do with the original point, but I do recall posting at the time of those who were held accountable and those who were not in Minneapolis. You misrepresent what really happened too often.
I will call a partisan a partisan when they post partisan bs as often as the partisans here do. YOU don't get to dictate how I get my information.
Three well educated people who ignore facts and don't know right from wrong.
This doesn't have anything to do with the original point, but I do recall posting at the time of those who were held accountable and those who were not in Minneapolis. You misrepresent what really happened too often.
DOJ: 23 Charged In Riots After George Floyd's Death - CBS Minnesota (cbsnews.com)
I will call a partisan a partisan when they post partisan bs
I post facts. Indisputable facts.
Just letting this one hang on its own.
alternative facts, maga facts ...
I've been waiting a long long time for those.
It wasn't democrats who rioted and became insurgents at the capital and injured 140 cops due to Trump's treasonous actions.
Best that way since that rebuts nothing.
Very good Texan; you have correctly noticed that I did not post a rebuttal.
Indeed, I explicitly noted my intent to NOT post a rebuttal and rather let that clearly incorrect claim speak for itself.
Or, as I wrote:
No, it is the former 'president' convicted felon and rapist and traitor who creates a constant narrative of hate which inspires the maga and former maga to 'try to assassinate' the former 'president' convicted felon and rapist and traitor.
I think it's more the fearmongering left who continually push the "He is a threat to democracy" bullshit
That has been their mantra.
Based on Trump's actions since he lost the election: the only PotUS in our history who violated his oath of office by going against the CotUS with fraud, coercion, lying, and incitement in an attempt to steal a presidential election and thwart the peaceful transfer of power.
The projection and denial. Shocking.
One trick pony.
Trump is obviously a threat to democracy. His every word and deed proves it.
Some folks are needlessly fearful of Trump.
Some care about enabling a loose-cannon, vindictive narcissist who has proven that he will abuse the powers of the presidency for his own desires with the most powerful office on the planet.
That doesn't rebut my comment.
That is the truth.
I wonder who trump has in charge of remembering their names and birthdays for him ...
Neither of the two people who tried to kill Trump were radical leftists.
Therefore, something else directed them.
The latest lefty donated to ActBlue and self-published a book in which he said Trump was a threat to democracy.
FACTs John!
Everyone at The Bulwark thinks Trump is a threat to democracy. None of them are radical leftists.
I guess we can label them chickenshit drama queens then
Lots of idiots think that.
My point was very precise - there are all sorts of people who think Trump is a threat to democracy that are not radical leftists.
This latest suspect supported Trump until sometime in his term as president. You dont think its possible that a non leftist could have been 'disappointed' in his presidency?
I see idiots on social media saying Routh is a "leftist" because he has been a pro-Ukraine activist. What the hell is wrong with these people?
The one person who shot at Trump was a registered republican.
I guess this does make a certain amount of sense.
The GOP could then find a sane candidate who wasn't a loser.
I wonder how they feel about their daddy being a coke head? And Aunt Kimberly? lol
I heard he is no longer seeing the skank.
A lot of libertarians, such as the guy in this video, are total assholes.
He demanded the FBI agents say their names out loud while being filmed , to be published on You Tube or facebook, which would lead to them being harassed by MAGA or libertarian lunatics.
I see.
He demanded the FBI agents say their names out loud while being filmed , to be published on You Tube or facebook, which would lead to them being harassed by MAGA
Oh ya, MAGA is harassing the FBI /s
Why did he want them to say their names on camera ?
They have to identify themselves. Just like the local cops who have names on their badges.
Perhaps they would have identified themselves , once he turned the camera off.
He is obviously a very irresponsible person and the FBI agents knew that when they went there. They didnt trust him not to misuse their names in some way.
Florida is conducting an independent investigation of the attempt on Trump's life.
That tells us all we need to know about the FBI.
Actually it tells us all we need to know about MAGA.
Half the country?
Do we really want to attack all those people?
Half the country? I don't think so. More like 25% which is still way too many.
Half the country -
Yesterday you left out the part about why the FBI was there. The libertarian asshole had put on social media (X) "Anyone who murders Kamala Harris would be an American hero".
You mean they saw him as a threat?
How did they miss the guy on the golf course???
They didnt.
Yes, they did.
His account on X, formerly known as Twitter, has now been suspended, and it included a number of posts about Trump.
"@realDonaldTrump While you were my choice in 2106, I and the world hoped that president Trump would be different and better than the candidate, but we all were greatly disappointment and it seems you are getting worse and devolving," he wrote in a June 2020 post. "I will be glad when you gone."
He also referenced the July 13 assassination attempt on Trump in multiple posts, suggesting that President Biden and Vice President Kamala Harris should visit the injured and attend the funeral of the Pennsylvania rally-goer who was killed.
A Facebook account under Routh's name was no longer online on Sunday evening.
What's known about Ryan Wesley Routh, Trump assassination attempt suspect arrested in Florida - CBS News
I dont see any physical threat to Trump in there.
Of course, not. The guy that he said he would be glad to see gone.
The candidate they tried to kill twice.
This is an election year Vic. The loser is "gone".
They tried to kill him twice.
who is "they"?
two guys wanted to kill him. neither of them was a radical leftist, as much as you may dream and wish they were.
The right wing is trying, and I would say flailing at , to set up a catch 22. No one can criticize Trumps behavior because it puts him in danger. Instead of saying he should modify his behavior they want to blame it all on his critics.
Biden's & Harris rhetoric is to blame for all of this.
They made "the threat to democracy" a campaign theme. The crazies heard the call.
A better way of putting it would be that Trump shouldnt have tried to overthrow the government in Jan of 2021 and then later say
Oh, it's his fault. /s
Del. Stacey Plaskett (D-Virgin Islands): "[Trump] needs to be shot— stopped."
Democrat Stacey Plaskett says Trump ‘needs to be shot' in TV stumble over alleged mishandling of classified documents (nypost.com)
That is not a response to 4.2.11
Of course it is predominantly Trump's fault.
Any individual such as Plaskett who calls for violence is also at fault. People calling for physical harm to political figures are indeed part of the problem.
But Trump is the 800lb gorilla who has been using divisive rhetoric for years. He is a miserable character who clearly inspires hatred and that alone is enough for a few nutcases to express their emotions with violence.
(And note that the two assassination attempts were from nutcases with GOP leanings ... so partisan politics does not seem to be a factor thus far.)
But you are (because this is a GOP talking point now which you are parroting) trying to argue that criticism of Trump is causing these assassination attempts. That Trump's political opponents should quiesce ALL of their criticism since it could trigger nuts with guns.
No. That is absurd. What needs to be done is to NOT engage in rhetoric suggesting violence. The balance of the political rhetoric is normal politics.
Bullshit. Trump is unusual in that he is the only PotUS who violated the peaceful transfer of power by using fraud, coercion, lying, and incitement in an attempt to stay in power after losing the 2020 election. He attempted to circumvent the CotUS, disenfranchise the electorate, and violated his oath of office.
He is a vindictive narcissist who will clearly use the power of the presidency for his own whims and not as a servant of the people.
Extreme bad behavior will generate extreme criticism. Labeling someone a 'threat to democracy' who is demonstrably a threat to democracy is spot on.
Trump triggers a lot of people.
There is no excuse for violence. This one is on the rhetoric that Biden and Harris use to play to their base. The problem lies with that base.
He constantly triggers the lunatics and he himself is a lunatic who is easily triggered.
You are agreeing with me in a way that looks as though you are rebutting what I wrote.
Yes, Vic, there is no excuse for violence and no excuse for rhetoric calling for violence.
Trump's rhetoric is divisive and is causing harm. He is the main player, by far, triggering nutcases.
Let our readers judge:
Two 'attempts'. Wonder how much they paid this guy's family to make the 'attempt'? And the one who died from collateral damage the first time.
The usual deflection.
Any thoughts from our readers?
No, the former 'president' and Vance are to blame FOR ALL OF THIS. They continue to lie and fan the flames over the hatred they've incited on Springfield and essentially ALL IMMIGRANTS.
You totally misrepresent why this is in the news. Springfield, OH is in the news because Trump (and Vance) are talking about Haitian legal migrants eating pets. If they had been talking about the Springfield resources being stressed then that would be the discussion. But no, they are talking about Haitian legal migrants as a (confused) example of illegal immigration problems and based on the lie that these migrants are eating the pets of the residents (and now the geese in the parks).
Trump infamously stated this on the world stage during the debate while whining about his rally crowd size after Harris subtly triggered his fragile ego. He did this among rants about WWIII, illegal immigration, USA as Venezuela on steroids, and his proof that he saw this on TV thus the City Manager's claim is false.
This guy is a clown. He is the worst nominee for a major party in my lifetime and, best I can tell, the worst by far in the history of our nation. It is a profound failure in judgment that this scoundrel has been given the opportunity to run for any position of power much less the presidency.
You mean the dishonest media focused on something that is unproven rather than the concerns of the people of a town in Ohio? Let's be honest TiG. If Trump had talked about Springfield resources being stressed there would be NO coverage whatsoever. Do you know who is talking about Springfield resources being stressed? It's Fox News.
Trump infamously stated this on the world stage during the debate while whining about his rally crowd size after Harris subtly triggered his fragile ego.
You mean he latched on to that social media story during an angry response? We all know he is easily triggered. The Harris campaign even told the world that they intended to provoke him and with the help of two partisan moderators they did. He was so upset he grabbed the first thing that came to mind. We all knew what the ABC debate would be like. I just hope it does not affect the election.
This guy is a clown.
Kamala Harris is a Marxist and the daughter of a Marxist.
He is the worst nominee for a major party in my lifetime and, best I can tell, the worst by far in the history of our nation. It is a profound failure in judgment that this scoundrel has been given the opportunity to run for any position of power much less the presidency.
That is the rhetoric responsible for the attempts on his life. God, I hope he wins.
I mean what I wrote. Trump and Vance have pushed a ridiculous false narrative and the media is covering it because it is so over-the-top ridiculous.
Possibly, so you defend this clown and his sidekick continuing to harp on the false narrative of Haitians eating resident's pets??
Yes, just what we need as PotUS ... someone who is easily triggered. A loose-cannon, reactionary armed with the power of the presidency.
Feeble fear-mongering hyperbolic rhetoric; pathetic ...
You cannot stop valid criticism of Trump with this new slimy tactic of claiming any such criticism is the reason people have tried to kill him.
You want the worst nominee of a major party in US history, the only PotUS who fought our peaceful transfer of power using fraud, coercion, lying, and incitement in an attempt to steal a presidential election to have the power of the presidency?? You want a loose-cannon clown, a vindictive narcissist with the ability to use the power of our government to satisfy his personal whims??
Every step of the way. Tooth & nail against what was done to this country in the past 4 years by Joe Biden and a bunch of leftwing radicals.
Yes, just what we need as PotUS ... someone who is easily triggered. A loose-cannon, reactionary armed with the power of the presidency.
Precisely what kept Putin out of Ukraine and Iran broke & impotent.
Feeble rhetoric; pathetic ...
A FACT. Miss price and speech controls.
You cannot stop valid criticism of Trump with this new slimy tactic of claiming any such criticism is the reason people have tried to kill him.
The "criticism" has been divisive, and it has incited violence. Name calling and slander does not equal criticism.
You want the worst nominee of a major party in US history, the only PotUS who fought our peaceful transfer of power using fraud, coercion, lying, and incitement in an attempt to steal a presidential election to have the power of the presidency?? You want a loose-cannon clown, a vindictive narcissist with the ability to use the power of our government to satisfy his personal whims??
I want the radicals out of power.
The whims of Trump and his cheerleader are entwined and none more so than a lust for revenge. It's a Dickensian Tale of Two Twits ... plus du sang s'il vous plaît!
Part of the problem; people merely believing what Trump says. You actually believe that Putin is fearful of Trump? That Hamas gives a shit about Trump? Anyone can claim anything in the negative. Biden could claim that the USA would have been in another Great Depression if Trump had been reelected. Such claims are bullshit because they are not based on facts and are unfalsifiable.
Trouble is, people like you believe this crap.
No it is confused, fear-mongering bullshit. Harris does not support price controls, she supports consumer protection ... addressing those who are gouging consumers. Price controls is a system where the government tries to manage supply and demand ... it is known as a command economy. It is more pathetic partisan rhetoric to exaggerate an intent to stop price gouging (targeted, limited) as some ' Marxist ' attempt to implement a command economy. Are you against government-based consumer protection?
The criticism of Trump has been in direct response to what this scoundrel has done and what he says. You just labeled Harris a Marxist (absolutely ridiculous) and then in the same breath complain about Trump being legitimately criticized!
Any chance you could prove that?
Yesterday someone asked me if there are any John Birchers on Newstalkers.
But the criminals can regain power. Trump is a known traitor.
In other words , yes you want "the only PotUS who fought our peaceful transfer of power using fraud, coercion, lying, and incitement in an attempt to steal a presidential election to have the power of the presidency?? You want a loose-cannon clown, a vindictive narcissist with the ability to use the power of our government to satisfy his personal whims??"
“God, I hope he wins.”
Your passion is obvious.[✘]
Vance admitted he made up the story of Haitians eating pets. There's an article here on the front page. It's worth visiting.
Actually, I judge him by performance.
You actually believe that Putin is fearful of Trump?
Putin made invasions during the Obama and Biden terms, but not during Trump's term. Enough said.
That Hamas gives a shit about Trump?
Iran knows what Trump can do. Who is next after Soleimani?
Harris does not support price controls, she supports consumer protection ... addressing those who are gouging consumers. Price controls is a system where the government tries to manage supply and demand ... it is known as a command economy. It is more pathetic partisan rhetoric to exaggerate an intent to stop price gouging (targeted, limited) as some ' Marxist ' attempt to implement a command economy. Are you against government-based consumer protection?
Please post her price control policy which she mentioned one and only one time. Many people are still in a quandry.
The criticism of Trump has been in direct response to what this scoundrel has done and what he says.
As I said, Trump's election in 2016 is what sparked the hatred and wokeness from our indoctrinated morons and their meaningless diplomas.
You just labeled Harris a Marxist
I can assure you, it won't be the last time.
Don't you pay attention to what she says?
Or is it all about defeating Trump?
That would be the brain-dead fool who opened the border and took money from China.
I deal in facts John.
I believe his language was poorly chosen. He meant to say that he promoted the Haitians eating pets based on reports from his constituents because if he did not do so the media would have not covered it.
Of course, what he promoted was a lie. But he lives in Trump land.
I asked you if you can prove Harris is a Marxist. It is a rather specific charge. So prove it.
You know absolutely nothing about the evidence developed by the J6 committee and Jack Smith, and it shows every time you try and say something about it.
This is the same reasoning of conspiracy theories. It is a fundamentally flawed reasoning process.
Who claimed one and only one time? I stated: "targeted, limited" to reflect her stated intent to go after select, extreme extant price gouging (remnants of the pandemic).
Instead of recognizing the profound faults of Trump you choose to categorically demean educated people who oppose Trump.
Of course not, partisans toss out labels regardless of the validity.
If that comment warrants a taunting ticket, my time here is done.
Peace.
Nobody in Ohio had a pet eaten?
i saw your comment. it should not have been ticketed, imo
Please post it. We want to know how it works.
educated people
And you think that anyone with a diploma is educated?
partisans toss out labels regardless of the validity.
Partisans ignore facts.
Afraded, the reason the comment was removed was because it was about a member and not about the comment. You can always say what you like about a comment, but never about the member. You are usually very good about that.
So telling someone that they need psychiatric help isn't taunting in your book?
i dont believe that is what he said
Explicitly implied
No, you claimed there were Birchers here, and I asked you to name them. You declined.
Exactly. More precisely, this is confirmation bias. On top of that, there are imagined 'facts' such as unfalsifiable assertions.
I did.
In case you don't understand:
Much of Harris's thoughts come naturally from her father; a Marxist leaning economist that taught at Stanford University and was educated at University of California Berkeley. Her contempt for free market economy and radical racism are the first beginnings of socialism that has never worked in a free society.
Kamala Harris Finally Goes Full Marxist: ‘Equitable Treatment Means We All End Up at the Same Place’ (westernjournal.com)
IS THAT ENOUGH PROOF?
Let us establish some FACTS.
Has Harris called for equity rather than equality?
This is just so pathetic and ridiculous. Not only is it NOT Harris' intent to make an egalitarian society where everyone literally ends up in the same place (i.e. same salary, same living conditions, same education, ...) but that is NOT Marxism.
There are entirely too many people spewing nonsense and, worse, too many people who believe their crap.
THAT IS MARXISM!
Equal opportunity would be the opposite.
Truly an idiot.
Listen to her at the 1:08 mark and get back to us..............
If you take her words as a whole rather than spinning a particular interpretation from a single phrase you would see that she is talking about equal (basically, better) opportunity.
That is the difference between partisan-driven confirmation bias and objective analysis.
LOL
You are deliberately misunderstanding her meaning of "the same place".
Good, facts amuse you.
I did take her at her word. She wants all of to end up in the same place. Finally, some good news for all the people who didn't go to college.
When do we all move in on Martha's Vineyard?
Perhaps you can tell us what her words mean but don't say?
She means unequal opportunity. Moving certain groups to the front of the line.
It wasn't for very long. The progressives shipped the migrants right out before they knew what hit them!
See, this is exactly what I am talking about. You are leaping to a ridiculous hyperbole ... that Harris wants a purely egalitarian society where everyone has the same salary, same living conditions, same education, etc.
It is a very confused and cynical misread.
Proof that you clearly do not understand what Marxism is.
Already addressed that. You too are picking out a phrase and ignoring the message of her speech.
It is pathetic cherry-picking. A great way to get things wrong.
It is a concise read of what she said otherwise she simply would have said I believe in equal opportunity. That would mean we don't end in the same place. Our destiny would be dictated via a variety of things including luck.
It appears as if poor little Kamala is constantly 'misunderstood'.
Maybe she should learn to communicate better so her staff doesn't have to clarify her remarks so much.
More fantasy.
You refuse to take her message a whole. A great way to get things wrong.
It usually what both professor & student dream of. The elite planning out everything for the masses.
Affirmative action by another name.
That is the exact opposite of Marxism. Marxism, at its core, is the masses controlling society (and, in particular, the economy). Per Marx, the ideal evolution of Marxism is a society that is democratically run and without the need for a state.
Marxism is a failure.
Nothing but a dream.
That sounds like something Marx himself would say. When has that ever happened? Do you know why the Soviet Union dissolved?
It was because one Russian leader pushed through some reforms and allowed people to vote on what they didn't like. It turned out that the people didn't like a Marxist economy, and entire regions broke away from the Russian nation completely.
Marxism is a failure
The hundred plus million killed by Marxists in a century can attest to that,
Why dont you take a crack at proving Harris is a Marxist. Maybe you can have more luck at it.
No human being has been more responsible for human suffering & death than Karl Marx.
I think we're doing great right now
Why don't you address my posts and what I have said? Or at the very least, stop asking me to defend things I haven't claimed.
They arent worth a response.
If you tell us what your proof is that Harris is a Marxist I will respond.
Exactly. Marx believed that a society should be based on a practical application of equal opportunity with unequal results. He believed that society could easily satisfy basic needs so that there would be no poverty and that people would be free to apply their talents as they see fit. Idealistic, certainly, but entirely different from what you et. al. incorrectly keep pushing as below:
The former USSR was doing the exact opposite of what Marx outlined.
The former USSR did not have a Marxist economy. If they did then that would mean that the people of the former USSR were democratically controlling the economy in a stateless, classless society. That they all had economic freedom. Do you think the people of the former USSR lived in such a condition?
Stalin, et. al. did not purse Marxism ... they pursued brutal authoritarian rule and merely labeled it Marxism. Instead of the people being empowered, Stalin et.al. exploited the people in a brutal and clearly defined class-based society.
Again, you demonstrably do not understand what Marx outlined.
And yet you did anyway.
Logical....
As usual, quote me saying she is a Marxist.
Why the strawman???
I see. That must be why when Gatovsky declared the first five year plan a success, Stalin told him that he was an idiot who would go far.
Is Marxism another one of these ideals that was never put into practice?
Yep That's the schtick. As soon as a marxist government by avowed Marxists inevitably fails and ends in massive amounts of death and poverty, the remaining Marxists declare they weren't "real Marxists." Marxists have adopted the "no true scotsman" logical fallacy as their coping mechanism.
"elite planning out everything" . Sounds like "Project 2025" .
The facts are obvious.
Leaders have used labels to control perception for recorded history. Those who care to know what is going on will not simply fall for labels and will look at what is actually being done. Stalin claimed to be a Marxist, claimed to be implementing Communism, claimed to working for the people. In reality, however, he implemented the exact opposite of what Marx outlined and the direction of the former USSR before its demise showed no signs of the people gaining democratic control over society and their economy.
I doubt that Marx' vision will ever be a reality, but in the meantime people can at least get educated about what he profiled instead of falling for propaganda and repeated misunderstanding of the fundamentals.
J.D. admitted he made the story up. Why not start with that lie?
no he didn't.
It's weird... I thought she was a liberal? Or Communist? Democrat? Now she is a Marxist? I wonder what she will be next week? You folks change your tune so fast it's hard to keep up.
As quickly as she changes, it's hard to keep up, eh?
Many Trump supporters are tossing labels since they cannot rebut the fact that their choice for PotUS is a scoundrel and a traitor.
And a fascist.
I wish the labels were correct for once instead of just demeaning without evidence.
I'm sure Putin hopes he wins as well.
We've been waiting years for facts 'here'.
Even after it was revealed that every single b*mb threat in Springfield was a hoax and appeared to originate overseas, CNN is still blaming it on Trump and JD Vance
Rightly so.
Where's the proof these are 'hoaxes'?
On the internet.
"At least 33 bomb threats have been made in Springfield, Ohio, since false claims — which were pushed by former President Donald Trump and his running mate — surfaced about Haitian migrants’ eating people’s pets, the governor said.
All of the threats have been determined to be hoaxes . "
If it didn't come straight from the DNC, the source may not be 'acceptable'.
Well, if it's on the internet it has to be true!
Well, there ARE reputable sites to look to for information.
Yeah, I saw it on TV!
So no proof.
What a shocker.
The bomb hoaxes were foreigners pulling the strings knowing exactly how progressives and their media would respond
Actual election interference in action. Compare the traction the "bomb" story got to anything created by the Russians in 2016.