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Election 2024

  

Category:  Op/Ed

By:  vic-eldred  •  2 weeks ago  •  337 comments

Election 2024
KAMALA BROKE IT, BUT I WILL FIX IT! With your VOTE, inflation will END. The border will be SAFE & SECURE. We will have PEACE across the globe. WITH YOUR VOTE, AMERICA WILL ENTER A NEW GOLDEN AGE! Vote TRUMP to MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!.....Donald Trump

Tomorrow night is election night. It has seemed like a very long election and a very consequential one. The direction of the country hangs in the balance. The pollsters have claimed that the election will be extremely close. If that is really the case, we won't know the winner by tomorrow night, all because of the changes made to the election process in 2020.

In the Senate races, the GOP is an odds-on favorite to retake the US Senate. Control of the House is a tossup. The other thing people will find on their ballots are ballot initiatives. Six states have abortion measures on the ballot. Some of those are only there to bring out more democrats. The states are Arizona, Florida, Missouri, Montana, Nevada and Nebraska. Florida, North Dakota and South Dakota will vote on whether to legalize recreational marijuana, and Nebraska will vote on medical marijuana. School vouchers are also on the ballot in Kentucky and Nebraska. Alaska, California and Missouri are considering raising the minimum wage. In MA the teachers have the MCAS Exam on the ballot which it appears they would like to end.

Nearly 75 million people have already cast their ballots (one third of the eligible voters.) Both candidates will spend most of their final day, today, in the crucial swing state of Pennsylvania.

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Yesterday on "This Week," Reince Priebus told the nation what the bellwether would be. He said watch Virginia, the polling places there close at 7: PM tomorrow night. If Virginia goes big for Harris, she is likely to be ok, but if the Virginia vote is tight, it should be a good night for Donald Trump.

To everyone who wants America back : you better get out there and vote.


In the news:

Thousands of children in Gaza City received a second polio vaccine.

The New York Times Tech Guild that represents hundreds of the giant newspaper's tech staffers went on strike on Monday, one day before Election Day.

NBC News filed an Equal Time notice with the Federal Communications Commission late Sunday,   disclosing Kamala Harris' on SNL after the network was accused of violating a longstanding rule.

In Colombia, a fossil-collecting rancher found a killer bird fossil from 13 million years ago.

CBS still refuses to provide the transcript of the "60 Minutes" Kamala Harris interview.


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Vic Eldred
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1  author  Vic Eldred    2 weeks ago

Good morning.

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Quincy Jones, the music arranger who composed film scores and later produced what believe it or not became the best-selling album of all time, Michael Jackson’s “Thriller” has died at the age of 91.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
1.1  devangelical  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    2 weeks ago
To everyone who wants America back : you better get out there and vote.

yeah right, back to the 1850's ...

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
1.2  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    2 weeks ago

KAMALA BROKE IT, BUT I WILL FIX IT! With your VOTE, inflation will END. The border will be SAFE & SECURE. We will have PEACE across the globe. WITH YOUR VOTE, AMERICA WILL ENTER A NEW GOLDEN AGE! Vote TRUMP to MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!.....Donald Trump

DONALD TRUMP WAS/IS RIGHT ABOUT EVERYTHING!

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Guide
1.2.1  Split Personality  replied to  Tessylo @1.2    2 weeks ago
KAMALA BROKE IT, BUT I WILL FIX IT!

First gross lie.

With your VOTE, inflation will END.

Second gross lie.

The border will be SAFE & SECURE.

How long will it take this time?  Little was accomplished during his first term.

We will have PEACE across the globe.

But will we have to learn to speak Russian, Chinese or Korean?

WITH YOUR VOTE, AMERICA WILL ENTER A NEW GOLDEN AGE!

Fools gold/

Vote TRUMP to MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!.....Donald Trump

America is the greatest nation, military and economy on the planet;

who are you trying to sell your bullshit to Donald?

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
Professor Expert
1.2.2  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Split Personality @1.2.1    2 weeks ago
"But will we have to learn to speak Russian, Chinese or Korean?"

I've been living in China for more than 18 years and I never learned more than some common words and phrases in Chinese, and no way could I possibly understand or carry on a conversation or be able to read or write even one word of the language. 

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Guide
1.2.3  Split Personality  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @1.2.2    2 weeks ago

I took Russian and German in HS.

I cannot imagine German with a Mandarin accent.

Now married to an American Mexican, I would have been much better off taking Spanish.

 
 
 
Thomas
Masters Guide
1.2.4  Thomas  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @1.2.2    2 weeks ago

Damn, Buzz. You are trusting. Best of luck.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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1.2.5  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Thomas @1.2.4    2 weeks ago

Well, there are two main reasons why I've been able to get by without knowing the language.  First of all, many signs like street signs are in English as well as Chinese, and in the subway, trains, airplanes and their terminals signs and vocal announcements in them are in both languages, and in public buildings like hospitals, banks, government and police bureaus, signs are in both languages and people in authority speak English,  As well, many educated people speak at least enough English to communicate,   Secondly, I let my wife do the talking anyway.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
1.2.6  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @1.2    2 weeks ago
DONALD TRUMP WAS/IS RIGHT ABOUT EVERYTHING!

Agreed.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
1.2.7  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2.6    2 weeks ago

That's the nonsense that was posted at the rally when he just stood there on stage and listened to music.

The usual propaganda.  

How ridiculous.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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1.3  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    2 weeks ago
"...Michael Jackson’s “Thriller”..."

...and he co-wrote and orchestrated "We Are the World", the charity anthem that united a chorus of the most popular musicians at the time, had the whole world singing, and donating. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
1.3.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @1.3    2 weeks ago

I still recall it.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
Professor Expert
1.3.2  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.3.1    2 weeks ago

As can I.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
1.3.3  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @1.3.2    2 weeks ago

I had a cousin who graduated from the Boston Conservatory of Music. He talked about Quincy Jones all the time.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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1.3.4  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.3.3    2 weeks ago

My late sister-in-law graduated from the Boston Conservatory of Music.  She was an opera singer, and I was originally mistaken in thinking it was Boston College but there is no way she would have gone to a Jesuit college, and due to her talent it HAD to have been the Conservatory.

 
 
 
Thomas
Masters Guide
1.4  Thomas  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    2 weeks ago

Quincy Jones was a master craftsman. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
1.4.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Thomas @1.4    2 weeks ago

That's what they say.

 
 
 
charger 383
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2  charger 383    2 weeks ago

I will be glad when the election and Medicare enrollment is over.  I made my choice on both but still have been bothered by ads, emails and phone calls about both.  It is tiresome. 

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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2.1  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  charger 383 @2    2 weeks ago

SOOOOOOOOOOO agree

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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2.2  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  charger 383 @2    2 weeks ago

You got that way right, I hate the Medicare Advantage cold calls.  I probably get at least 6 per day.

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Guide
2.2.1  Split Personality  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @2.2    2 weeks ago

You have to enroll on that do not call list.

I am only hounded by my carrier, lol.

Now snail mail is different, two thirds of that crap goes straight to the recycle bin.

The bride likes to open everything and complain.

I bring the mail in past the big cans and dispose of it without reading.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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2.2.2  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @2.2    2 weeks ago

I love when I get those calls wanting to tell me how much I can save with a Medicare supplement. I let them do their spiel and then tell them I have Medicare A & B and Tricare for Life, that I pay zero out of pocket expenses for physician visits or hospitalizations, and get all prescriptions fill on base for free. I give them a few seconds for that to sink in and if they can top that and  still want to talk to me about savings. 99% of the time I they say "Uh no, thank you for your time." And they hang up abruptly. The other 1% swear obscenities at me and hang up. I love it!

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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2.2.3  Right Down the Center  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @2.2.2    2 weeks ago

I tell them I am 99. They can't hang up quick enough 

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
2.2.4  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Right Down the Center @2.2.3    2 weeks ago

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Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
2.3  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  charger 383 @2    2 weeks ago

I have Medicare already so I also have only one choice to make tomorrow and my choice already  is made on that one as well. I also am sick and tired by e-mails and ads and the political BS flyers in my mailbox, the vast majority of which are ones that immediately go into the circular file! 

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
Professor Quiet
2.4  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  charger 383 @2    2 weeks ago
I made my choice on both but still have been bothered by ads, emails and phone calls about both.  It is tiresome. 

I wish mail in ballots and any early voting locations would give you a code which would activate after your ballot was collected and counted that, once entered into your streaming device of choice, would block all further political ads. You'd still get ads, just not the political ones. I think far more people would vote and vote early with that kind of incentive.

 
 
 
MrFrost
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3  MrFrost    2 weeks ago

Just remember right wingers, if trump loses, it's the Jews fault. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  MrFrost @3    2 weeks ago

If Trump loses, we will likely become a one-party authoritarian state.

No need to worry about anyone.

 
 
 
MrFrost
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3.1.1  MrFrost  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1    2 weeks ago
If Trump loses, we will likely become a one-party authoritarian state.

Sure Vic, because Harris has threatened to take over the country so many times LOL

Trump said YESTERDAY he shouldn't have left the WH in 2020. And who was it again that met with Victort Orban, is friends with Putin and fell in love with Kim Jong Un? Wasn't Harris! 

Sorry, playing the, "I know you are but what am I" game is still childish. 

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
3.1.2  devangelical  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1    2 weeks ago
If Trump loses

maybe his 17 year long campaign to become a lawless dictator will finally be over ...

 
 
 
Hallux
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3.1.3  Hallux  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1    2 weeks ago
If Trump loses, we will likely become a one-party authoritarian state.

You know that's bullshit and it leads to the question of the electoral eve: 

Why has the MAGA GoP adopted every losing strategy once the 'sacred' territory of the DNC?

 
 
 
Snuffy
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3.1.4  Snuffy  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1    2 weeks ago
If Trump loses, we will likely become a one-party authoritarian state.

I don't have a great concern around this if only Trump loses. However if the Democrats do sweep both chambers as well as the Oval Office this could become more of an issue. Harris as well as a handful of Democrats would love to scrap the filibuster and turn the Senate into a simple majority wins chamber. If that happens it would IMO be harmful to this country. Having one party rule everything with a simple majority vote is IMO a recipe for disaster.

And before any Democrats jump on this telling me just how wrong I am, how would you feel if it were Republicans who were doing this?

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
3.1.5  devangelical  replied to  Snuffy @3.1.4    2 weeks ago
how would you feel if it were Republicans who were doing this?

... uh, ... they're already trying.

this election, more than any other in our history, is a reflection of each voter's character, values, and patriotism ...

 
 
 
Snuffy
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3.1.6  Snuffy  replied to  devangelical @3.1.5    2 weeks ago
... uh, ... they're already trying. this election, more than any other in our history, is a reflection of each voter's character, values, and patriotism ...

Just a deflection from what I posted. Any comments on the actual post?

And don't we hear election after election that 'This is the MOST consequential election ever!'.  

 
 
 
evilone
Professor Guide
3.1.7  evilone  replied to  Snuffy @3.1.4    2 weeks ago
I don't have a great concern around this if only Trump loses.

Neither do I. 

However if the Democrats do sweep both chambers as well as the Oval Office this could become more of an issue.

It's not likely. Polling suggests that Republicans will take the Senate with the barest of margins and the House is up for grabs. 

Having one party rule everything with a simple majority vote is IMO a recipe for disaster.

With the rise of populism this would be tragic. I'm hoping the chambers just flip control this election. Either way the majorities would be razor thin. 

Harris as well as a handful of Democrats would love to scrap the filibuster and turn the Senate into a simple majority wins chamber.

You can't honestly tell me the Republicans wouldn't do the same to jam through their populist agenda if they had the power to do so. 

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
3.1.8  devangelical  replied to  Snuffy @3.1.6    2 weeks ago
And don't we hear election after election that 'This is the MOST consequential election ever!'. 

... and usually the final pitch by republicans that it's doomsday and the end of the world if they aren't elected ...

 
 
 
Snuffy
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3.1.9  Snuffy  replied to  evilone @3.1.7    2 weeks ago
Harris as well as a handful of Democrats would love to scrap the filibuster and turn the Senate into a simple majority wins chamber.
You can't honestly tell me the Republicans wouldn't do the same to jam through their populist agenda if they had the power to do so. 

I don't believe that Republicans have talked about it in the past, if you have information to show otherwise please share. It's been the Democrats lately that have stated the desire to do away with the filibuster but as it's out there it wouldn't surprise me to see Republicans also express a desire to do so should they be in a position to benefit from it. Very similar to the changes to approve Cabinet positions and then Judges & Justices, the Democrats make the change first and the Republicans when they come into power also do it for their desires. 

If I had a wish, it would be to do away with all political parties and make everybody an Independent. IMO the party system has become too powerful and it's the parties that now rule this country.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
3.1.10  Sean Treacy  replied to  evilone @3.1.7    2 weeks ago
me the Republicans wouldn't do the same to jam through their populist agenda if they had the power to do so. 

They didn't in 2017. In fact, a majority signed a letter with the Democratic Caucus publicly promising not to touch the filibuster. 

All of the Democrats except Manchin and Sinema reversed course and then voted for removing the filibuster when they had the majority. 

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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3.1.11  Trout Giggles  replied to  Snuffy @3.1.4    2 weeks ago
And before any Democrats jump on this telling me just how wrong I am, how would you feel if it were Republicans who were doing this?

I agree with you. I don't want one party rule whether it's Democrats or Republicans. What I want to see is both parties working together for the good of the country. Compromise may be a dirty word but it's the only way to get things done

 
 
 
evilone
Professor Guide
3.1.12  evilone  replied to  Snuffy @3.1.9    2 weeks ago
I don't believe that Republicans have talked about it in the past...

Trump wanted it killed during his term. McConnel saved it from Trump, but McConnel is retiring. If the right wing populists take control there would be nothing in their way. 

If I had a wish, it would be to do away with all political parties and make everybody an Independent. IMO the party system has become too powerful and it's the parties that now rule this country.

If I had a wish, it would be to make election day a national day off holiday and require the government to produce a series of PSAs to promote voting. It should be a celebration of our Democratic system, not a duty or a chore. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
3.1.13  Tessylo  replied to  Trout Giggles @3.1.11    2 weeks ago

Kamala has offered a seat at the table to those who disagree with her.  When do the republicans ever reach across the aisle?

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
3.1.14  Tessylo  replied to  devangelical @3.1.8    2 weeks ago

KAMALA BROKE IT, BUT I WILL FIX IT! With your VOTE, inflation will END. The border will be SAFE & SECURE. We will have PEACE across the globe. WITH YOUR VOTE, AMERICA WILL ENTER A NEW GOLDEN AGE! Vote TRUMP to MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!.....Donald Trump

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
3.1.15  Trout Giggles  replied to  Tessylo @3.1.13    2 weeks ago

It's been awhile

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
3.1.16  devangelical  replied to  evilone @3.1.12    2 weeks ago
If I had a wish, it would be to make election day a national day off holiday and require the government to produce a series of PSAs to promote voting. It should be a celebration of our Democratic system, not a duty or a chore.

in addition to voting being a national holiday, I'd add a monetary incentive to vote. after all, we pay 535 people in DC $174K+ a year to vote for nonsense party posturing or to avoid voting entirely thru partisan shenanigans ...

a $100 gift card sent to the address in the name of the registered voter that voted as verified by each Sec of state.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
3.1.17  devangelical  replied to  Tessylo @3.1.14    2 weeks ago

yeah, that biden/harris administration has been a real roller coaster ... /s

  • crime is down
  • economy is up
  • inflation is down
  • wages are up
  • illegal immigration is down
  • convicted felon candidate's sentencing is coming up

 
 
 
evilone
Professor Guide
3.1.18  evilone  replied to  devangelical @3.1.16    2 weeks ago
a $100 gift card sent to the address of every registered voter that voted as verified by each Sec of state.

I'd say a $20 gift card to TGIF if they hadn't just filed for bankruptcy. LOL

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
3.1.19  devangelical  replied to  evilone @3.1.18    2 weeks ago

yikes, the one closest to me is a scary meat market for the last chance crowd at night ...

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
3.1.20  Tessylo  replied to  devangelical @3.1.19    2 weeks ago

yeah, sometimes, back then, every one looks good at 2:00a.m., being blackout drunk didn't hurt

I'm glad drinking doesn't agree with me anymore.  Far too many black outs back in the day.

 
 
 
Snuffy
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3.1.21  Snuffy  replied to  evilone @3.1.12    2 weeks ago

If I had a wish, it would be to make election day a national day off holiday and require the government to produce a series of PSAs to promote voting. It should be a celebration of our Democratic system, not a duty or a chore. 

As not every job can afford to give it's employees a day off (thinking police, fireman, etc) I would rather they move election day to a Friday/Saturday/Sunday run. Spread over three days would give everybody a chance to make it to the polls. I do like the series of PSA's to promote voting. I agree that it's more a celebration and a chore, this is after all our democracy.
 
 
 
Split Personality
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3.1.22  Split Personality  replied to  Snuffy @3.1.4    2 weeks ago

Every time there is a triumvirate, the midterms seem to adjust that by flipping the House.

Whether it was intentional or not  the FF created a pretty well balanced machinery except for SCOTUS.

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Guide
3.1.23  Split Personality  replied to  Snuffy @3.1.21    2 weeks ago

Polls should be open as long as they are counting mail ins and overseas ballots.

 
 
 
Snuffy
Professor Participates
3.1.24  Snuffy  replied to  Split Personality @3.1.23    2 weeks ago

Polls should be open as long as they are counting mail ins and overseas ballots.

No, I disagree with that. I have no issue with keeping those two issues separate. Polling stations have hours of use. Under Pennsylvania law they cannot start processing those mail in ballots until 7am the morning the polls open. I don't have all the laws in all the states on the mail in ballots but we already have long waits on some states for them to finalize counting and present the results. Additionally some states allow for mail-in ballots to be included days after the election day to cover for potential hiccups in the Postal system. Keeping polling stations open until all the mail-in and overseas ballots are counted could result in some very long days for polling workers who I think are mostly volunteers. 
 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Guide
3.1.25  Split Personality  replied to  Snuffy @3.1.24    2 weeks ago

Take it off the front end of early voting - they don't care.

These people want the extra income ( it' ain't much ) as well as the recognition in their communities

and of the one's we know, they are all retired and look forward to any election to get out of the house and meet people.

There ought to be one unified way to get to an accurate result by the same deadline nationwide.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
3.1.26  devangelical  replied to  Split Personality @3.1.25    2 weeks ago

I thought the election deniers made it so some states can't start counting mail in, drop off, and absentee ballots until the polls close, so they can complain about not getting the election results sooner ...

 
 
 
afrayedknot
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3.1.27  afrayedknot  replied to  Split Personality @3.1.25    2 weeks ago
“These people want the extra income ( it' ain't much ) as well as the recognition in their communities and of the one's we know, they are all retired and look forward to any election to get out of the house and meet people.”

As an election worker, so presumably one of ‘these people’, I couldn’t care less about the minimum wage paid, could care even less about any recognition or getting out of the house. 

I would never presume to speak for those I work alongside, but I would venture a guess every single one would consider it a civic duty, an opportunity to be a small part in the most precious tenet of our democracy, and to take the responsibility to ensure the integrity of each and every vote. 

 
 
 
afrayedknot
Junior Quiet
3.1.28  afrayedknot  replied to  afrayedknot @3.1.27    2 weeks ago

“As an election worker, so presumably one of ‘these people’,”

Scheduled to work from 4:00 till all eligible votes are tallied in our county tomorrow, so thankfully will miss all the histrionics hereabouts until I get home late. 

The invective will be ineffective and certainly indigestible. The vote will be, as always, eventually proven indisputable. Thankfully. 

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Guide
3.1.29  Split Personality  replied to  afrayedknot @3.1.27    2 weeks ago
I would never presume to speak for those I work alongside,

Sorry, I certainly didn't mean it in a derogatory way, many of ours  know us by name and vice versa.  I personally think y'all should be entitled to a parking spot next to handicapped parking.

 
 
 
Thomas
Masters Guide
3.1.30  Thomas  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1    2 weeks ago

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Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
3.1.31  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  evilone @3.1.7    2 weeks ago

Of course they would. That is the nature of the beast that is politics in DC for both sides. In many cases the only thing different is the party name.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Expert
3.2  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  MrFrost @3    2 weeks ago

And if Trump wins we will see continued whining from the left and more hoaxes from the Democrats.  You know, kind of like we've seen since 2015,

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
3.3  devangelical  replied to  MrFrost @3    2 weeks ago
Just remember right wingers, if trump loses, it's the Jews fault.

oh goody, this time I'll be ready when the next maga torchlight parade happens ...

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
3.3.1  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  devangelical @3.3    2 weeks ago

Be prepared to wait quite a while.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
3.3.2  devangelical  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @3.3.1    2 weeks ago

oh well, there will be plenty of maga with their hair on fire tomorrow ...

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
3.3.3  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  devangelical @3.3.2    2 weeks ago

Or not. I'll wait until tomorrow.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
3.3.4  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  devangelical @3.3.2    2 weeks ago

What was that about maga with hair on fire?/s

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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4  author  Vic Eldred    2 weeks ago

An election ad for former President Donald Trump aired on NBC toward the end of the broadcast of NASCAR’s Xfinity 500 at Martinsville Speedway and the NFL’s coverage of the Minnesota Vikings-Indianapolis Colts game on Sunday night.

The ad started with “A special message from Donald J. Trump.”

Trump was seen with his “Make America Great Again” hat as he told viewers that electing Vice President Kamala Harris would bring along another “depression.”

He also told viewers to go out and vote with only a handful of hours left before Election Day comes and goes.

“We’re losing everything, including viability,” Trump said in the ad. “We’re going to end up in a depression based on what’s been happening. We’ve never seen anything like it, at least in the last 40 years.”

The appearance of the Republican presidential candidate appeared to be connected to Harris’ surprise appearance on “Saturday Night Live,” according to multiple reports. 

NBC gives Trump free election ad airtime during NASCAR, NFL broadcasts after Harris 'SNL' furor

NBC is paying for their blatant bias.

 
 
 
Hallux
Professor Principal
4.1  Hallux  replied to  Vic Eldred @4    2 weeks ago

Trump's Doom and Gloom spiel may have worked in 2016 but that shtick is as stale as his untanned skin.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
4.1.1  Ozzwald  replied to  Hallux @4.1    2 weeks ago

Trump's Doom and Gloom spiel may have worked in 2016 but that shtick is as stale as his untanned skin.

Not to mention his old "if I lose it's because they cheated" schtick.  He's been making that claim for over 20 years now.

Yes, Donald Trump Thought the Emmys Were Rigged Against Him

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
4.1.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Hallux @4.1    2 weeks ago

People who apparently like the past 4 years see no gloom.

It makes sense.

 
 
 
Hallux
Professor Principal
4.1.3  Hallux  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1.2    2 weeks ago
It makes sense.

Take notes, you might look good woke.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
4.1.4  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Hallux @4.1.3    2 weeks ago
you might look good woke.

By saying that the left liked the last 4 years?

The question is how many of those who suffered will vote?

 
 
 
Hallux
Professor Principal
4.1.5  Hallux  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1.4    2 weeks ago
The question is how many of those who suffered will vote?

No, the question is how many women (yikes, you let them?) will vote and a number circa 70% will not surprise me. Ann Coulter was right 20 years ago, y'all fucked up royally when the GoP fell sway to the squeaky squawkers of subservience to the sovereignty of sperm.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
4.1.6  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Hallux @4.1.5    2 weeks ago

Women don't vote as one. I'm expecting the stable happy women to come out for Donald Trump.

The more progressive type fits into what I call the Jenifer Rubin category.

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I'm sure they'll come out for Harris.

 
 
 
afrayedknot
Junior Quiet
4.1.7  afrayedknot  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1.6    2 weeks ago

“I'm expecting the stable happy women to come out for Donald Trump.”

Re: those in subserviency? 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
4.1.8  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  afrayedknot @4.1.7    2 weeks ago

Happy in their own skin and not bitter about some shit they learned at the university.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
4.1.9  Sean Treacy  replied to  afrayedknot @4.1.7    2 weeks ago

55% of white women voted for Republicans in 2022. Are they subservient? Not real women? 

Why do men tell women how to vote and then call them subservient if they don't follow orders? 

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
4.1.10  Trout Giggles  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1.8    2 weeks ago

OMG....now you're gonna bitch about educated women?

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
4.1.11  Ozzwald  replied to  afrayedknot @4.1.7    2 weeks ago
“I'm expecting the stable happy women to come out for Donald Trump.” Re: those in subserviency? 

Those who have been told that they are happy by their "masculine" dominating husband.  You know, the ones that tell them who they want to vote for.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
4.1.12  Tessylo  replied to  Hallux @4.1.5    2 weeks ago

That's awesome and what the older republicans are so afraid of.  You nailed it Hallux.  Women of all ages, stable and very happy women, voting for Kamala.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
4.1.13  devangelical  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1.6    2 weeks ago
the stable happy women

... the domineered and brain washed to be 2nd class citizens women.

it kind of smells a bit like the justifications for slavery ...

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
4.1.14  Trout Giggles  replied to  devangelical @4.1.13    2 weeks ago

the stable happy women

makes me want to gag. Makes me want to call it what it really is but it will hurt someone's feelings

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
4.1.15  devangelical  replied to  Trout Giggles @4.1.14    2 weeks ago

take the high road, it's best not to start anything ...

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
4.1.16  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  devangelical @4.1.13    2 weeks ago

Nobody should be drinking cool aid.

Question your professors, question what you read on social media and even what you see on the news.

Number one: turn off CBS News and its misinformation

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
4.1.17  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Trout Giggles @4.1.10    2 weeks ago

There are many educated women that I'm fond of.

Why would you say that?

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
4.1.18  Trout Giggles  replied to  devangelical @4.1.15    2 weeks ago

This is a turn about. It's usually me talking you off the ledge

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
4.1.19  Trout Giggles  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1.17    2 weeks ago

Dev told me not to start anything. So I'm not saying anything more to you today

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
4.1.20  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1.16    2 weeks ago
'Number one: turn off CBS News and its misinformation'

That's funny.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
4.1.21  Trout Giggles  replied to  Tessylo @4.1.20    2 weeks ago

I know right?

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
4.1.22  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1.17    2 weeks ago

In what universities did they obtain their degrees?

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
4.1.23  devangelical  replied to  Tessylo @4.1.22    2 weeks ago

trump u, 2 degree programs for women, home economics and DIY self birthing at home ... /s

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
Senior Quiet
4.1.24  Colour Me Free  replied to  afrayedknot @4.1.7    2 weeks ago
Re: those in subserviency?

Yikes .. Shirley you are not in support of the Harris ad where women go against their master's desire.....?   Talk about desperation .. by far the most pathetic mindless misogynistically degrading piece of trash political ad I have ever seen! 

No wonder men are leaving the party of (D)  .... the party is viewing them as toxic predators with no minds of their own if they do not vote Harris!  Obama (an individual I respected) made it okay to say if you don't vote for Harris, you are a sexist pig ... quite sad really that this is American politics in 2024!

Peace my friend .. hope you are well and your boyz are thriving...  : )

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
4.1.25  Tessylo  replied to  Colour Me Free @4.1.24    2 weeks ago

What ads are you watching?

 
 
 
afrayedknot
Junior Quiet
4.1.26  afrayedknot  replied to  Colour Me Free @4.1.24    2 weeks ago

Miss you occasionally calling me out on the carpet. So glad to see you out and about. Life is good, the world and its turbulence notwithstanding.

Peace as always to you and yours. 

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
4.1.27  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Tessylo @4.1.25    2 weeks ago

Hard to believe you haven't seen it

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
4.1.28  JohnRussell  replied to  Colour Me Free @4.1.24    2 weeks ago

A fool being considered for a position in a new Trump administration recently implied women should lose the right to vote.  He claims it was a joke.  Do you see people in the mood for such joking right now? 

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
4.1.29  Trout Giggles  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @4.1.27    2 weeks ago

We all saw it. Newt Gringrich went all ICBM at Julia Roberts for narrating it

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
4.1.30  Tessylo  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @4.1.27    2 weeks ago

Of course I've fucking seen it.  

Doesn't seem to be the same one that most republicans are getting their panties into a bunch over.

 
 
 
George
Junior Expert
4.1.31  George  replied to  Colour Me Free @4.1.24    2 weeks ago

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Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
4.1.32  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Tessylo @4.1.30    2 weeks ago

You asked, I provided. Why ask? The explanation given was perfectly clear as to which ad.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
4.1.33  Trout Giggles  replied to  Colour Me Free @4.1.24    2 weeks ago

Master's desire? Please tell me that was said tongue in cheek

The ad was anything but how you described it. It was simply 2 women casting their ballots with one women telling her husband she voted the right way. She doesn't have to vote the way he tells her and she doesn't have to tell him who she voted for. I don't think men are leaving the Dem party in droves  because of this. If anything, it;'s bringing more men back to the party because there are men out there who worry about how their mothers, wives, and daughters are treated.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
4.1.34  Tessylo  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @4.1.27    2 weeks ago

But I wasn't fucking talking to YOU.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
4.1.35  Tessylo  replied to  devangelical @4.1.23    2 weeks ago

I have zero respect for any woman who would vote for that traitor.

 
 
 
afrayedknot
Junior Quiet
4.1.36  afrayedknot  replied to  Trout Giggles @4.1.33    2 weeks ago

“…there are men out there who worry about how their mothers, wives, and daughters are treated.”

And this fundamental, familial connection should never, ever be politicized. Just my opinion. 

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Expert
4.1.37  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Tessylo @4.1.35    2 weeks ago

So the left figured out what a woman is?  

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
Senior Quiet
4.1.38  Colour Me Free  replied to  afrayedknot @4.1.26    2 weeks ago

So happy to hear you are well .. I may not be here often (I had to drop out .. it is a principles thing [snicker] : )  .... yet I think of you often .. and Repo.. he hit me up this morning after he voted - Just Jim seems to have disowned me .. lol

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
4.1.39  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Colour Me Free @4.1.38    2 weeks ago

Nuh uh. Still love ya.

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
Senior Quiet
4.1.40  Colour Me Free  replied to  Trout Giggles @4.1.33    2 weeks ago
 She doesn't have to vote the way he tells her and she doesn't have to tell him who she voted for

How very forward thinking of you - thank god a Harris ad let women know that .... women do not need to be told they have minds of their own - the ad is condescending 

Most men are not socialpaths .. of course they care about the treatment of their mothers, wives and daughters' .. how is that in any way exclusive to the party of (D)?

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
Senior Quiet
4.1.41  Colour Me Free  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @4.1.39    2 weeks ago

Just don't tell me how to vote!  : )

 
 
 
George
Junior Expert
4.1.42  George  replied to  Colour Me Free @4.1.41    2 weeks ago
Just don't tell me how to vote!  : )

Early and often? 

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
4.1.43  Trout Giggles  replied to  Colour Me Free @4.1.40    2 weeks ago

I don't see the ad being condescending at all. I think some people are getting their panties in a bunch about an ad confirming women's right to vote and to vote as they please. I also think the ad upsets people because they show the  one woman voting for Harris. There are some articles on there with men having complete conniptions about this ad with one hysterical man crying "what else has my wife lied to me about"

On Fox News, host Jesse Watters used a violent (if extremely vague) World War II metaphor to scold wives who vote differently from their husbands, saying that if his wife voted for Kamala Harris, it would be "D-Day" and "the same thing as having an affair."
 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
4.1.44  TᵢG  replied to  Colour Me Free @4.1.40    2 weeks ago
.... women do not need to be told they have minds of their own - the ad is condescending 

Odd, seems to me the ad was not telling women they can think for themselves but rather reminding (and in some cases informing) women that even if voting differently from their spouse would cause family tensions,  their vote is private and they can thus vote as they see fit.   It presumes they think for themselves and encourages them to vote accordingly.

I saw ads informing us that we can vote early.  Is that condescending?   I see ads reminding us to vote today.   Most everyone knows that today is election day.   Is that condescending?

Most men are not socialpaths ..

Of course, but there are still quite a few dominant spouses.   There are men who believe their wives should vote how they vote.   This has cultural (and religious) roots given that women initially could not vote and that men since women's suffrage have continued, culturally, to operate as the 'heads of household'.   Although it is not right, we should not deny the reality that women are still not entirely independent (culturally and religiously).   That is, there are still women who defer to their husbands.  

Given that, I think it makes sense to remind (and in some cases inform) women with a domineering spouse (even if only with regards to voting) that there is a way to vote as she sees fit and not cause all sorts of problems at home.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
4.1.45  JohnRussell  replied to  Trout Giggles @4.1.43    2 weeks ago

Trump went in to vote shortly ago.  That does not appear to be his wife with him.

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@SethAbramson
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( ) Uh... OK... I have never before—*ever*—bought into all the Fake Melania nonsense but... ...that is *not* Melania, right? My wife and I separately saw this video and *both* immediately said, "That is *not* Melania." If Melania has abandoned her husband on Election Day, wow.
 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
4.1.46  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.45    2 weeks ago

Yes it is

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
4.1.47  JohnRussell  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @4.1.46    2 weeks ago

Maybe, it sure as hell doesnt look like her.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
4.1.48  JohnRussell  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.47    2 weeks ago

the video is gone. Musk must have obejcted. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
4.1.49  JohnRussell  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @4.1.46    2 weeks ago

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@JMeanypants
Umm, that is NOT Melania. Sorry. I’m not buying it. Whoever was at the polls today with Don, WASN’T MELANIA. I guess the check bounced.
 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
4.1.50  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.49    2 weeks ago

Better views

 
 
 
George
Junior Expert
4.1.51  George  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.48    2 weeks ago

Or the person who posted it realized what a moronic douchebag he looked like and took it down himself.

 
 
 
George
Junior Expert
4.1.52  George  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @4.1.50    2 weeks ago

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Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
4.1.54  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Colour Me Free @4.1.24    2 weeks ago

Greetings Colour Me! So glad to see you back, you've been missed. Hope things are going well in the big sky country up North.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
4.1.55  Tessylo  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.47    2 weeks ago

That was deleted from X.  You're probably correct.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
4.1.56  Tessylo  replied to  Colour Me Free @4.1.41    2 weeks ago

No one is!

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Guide
4.1.57  MrFrost  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @4.1.46    2 weeks ago
Yes it is

I don't care what anyone says, that not his whore... I mean, wife. 

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
Senior Quiet
4.1.58  Colour Me Free  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @4.1.54    2 weeks ago

Always good to see you Ed .. I have to pop in from time to time and check on you guys  : )  Things are good in the Norse lands..  Had a rude awakening at the start of the year - three weeks in the hospital - but I am back on top, feeling better than ever : )

Hope you are well .. I see you are as feisty as ever  : ) 

 
 
 
Freewill
Junior Quiet
4.1.59  Freewill  replied to  MrFrost @4.1.57    2 weeks ago
I don't care what anyone says, that not his whore... I mean, wife. 

Just Jim NC TttH in comment 4.1.50 provided a link conclusively proving it is her with video from that polling place showing her in the same dress without the sunglasses and actually speaking.  But you still don't care what anyone says?

You and others calling her a whore and participating in making up stories like this are likely among the reasons why some people reluctantly voted for Trump. Thanks a lot MrFrost... /s

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
4.1.60  Tessylo  replied to  Freewill @4.1.59    2 weeks ago

jrSmiley_80_smiley_image.gif Yeah, I'm sure that made a difference.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
4.1.61  JohnRussell  replied to  Freewill @4.1.59    2 weeks ago

I saw a video where it definitely didnt look like her, which was weird to see. But a couple still shots did look like her, especially when she took the glasses off. Would I put it past Trump to bring out an actress to play his wife  if needed? No, I wouldnt. But I think it was her. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
4.1.62  JohnRussell  replied to  Freewill @4.1.59    2 weeks ago
You and others calling her a whore and participating in making up stories like this are likely among the reasons why some people reluctantly voted for Trump

Oh please. the right called the actual Democratic candidate a whore. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
4.1.63  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.62    2 weeks ago
the right called the actual Democratic candidate a whore.

Which is worse? Calling an actual candidate a whore, or an innocent  family member? 

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
4.1.64  Tessylo  replied to  Sean Treacy @4.1.63    2 weeks ago

Innocent family member

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Freewill
Junior Quiet
4.1.65  Freewill  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.62    2 weeks ago
Oh please. the right called the actual Democratic candidate a whore

Sure - some did, and that was awful too.  But weren't we to believe based on all the political hype that "the left" was better than that?  The hateful remarks, condescension, and contempt directed at conservative or Republican women like Melania or Tulsi Gabbard, or Nikki Haley, and many others certainly happened.  It is often the hypocrisy that turns people off, and not just on this subject.  It was partially what soured me on voting for Harris/Walz, but there was no way in hell I was going to vote for Trump given his comments and some of his follower's attitudes toward women and their hypocrisy as well.  

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
4.1.66  JohnRussell  replied to  Freewill @4.1.65    2 weeks ago
It was partially what soured me on voting for Kamala/Walz,

You always seem , to me at least, to be more soured on the left than you are on the right.  It is what it is I guess, as it is with all of us. 

 
 
 
bugsy
Professor Participates
4.1.67  bugsy  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.66    2 weeks ago
ou always seem , to me at least, to be more soured on the left than you are on the right

Maybe he is a true independent, unlike others here who tend to criticize the left with one sentence, then go on a three paragraph rant about why they don't like the right. 

 
 
 
Freewill
Junior Quiet
4.1.68  Freewill  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.66    2 weeks ago
You always seem, to me at least, to be more soured on the left than you are on the right

Well I was a shit ton closer to voting for Harris than I was for Trump...

It is what it is I guess, as it is with all of us. 

Agreed.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
4.1.69  JohnRussell  replied to  Freewill @4.1.68    2 weeks ago
Well I was a shit ton closer to voting for Harris than I was for Trump...

allright. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
4.1.70  TᵢG  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.62    2 weeks ago

Either way it is false and counterproductive.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
4.1.71  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @4.1.63    2 weeks ago

flip a coin

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
4.2  devangelical  replied to  Vic Eldred @4    2 weeks ago
NBC is paying for their blatant bias.

... while FOX is uncharacteristically silent.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
4.2.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  devangelical @4.2    2 weeks ago

Fox has nothing to do with SNL.

How you got Fox into this I'll never know.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
4.2.2  devangelical  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.2.1    2 weeks ago

I guess I don't recall all of the call-ins, and personal appearances by kamala on FOX compared to trump ...

 
 
 
Snuffy
Professor Participates
4.2.3  Snuffy  replied to  devangelical @4.2.2    2 weeks ago

I guess I don't recall all of the call-ins, and personal appearances by kamala on FOX compared to trump ...

For those who may not know. Appearances on newscasts, interview programs and the like are exempt from the Equal Opportunities Rules. 
NEWS EXEMPTIONS –  Appearances by legally qualified candidates on specified types of 
news programs are deemed NOT to constitute a “use” of broadcast facilities and, therefore, 
do NOT trigger equal opportunities.  Thus, appearances by legally qualified candidates on 
bona fide newscasts, interview programs, certain types of  news documentaries, and during on
the-spot coverage of bona fide news events are exempt from Equal Opportunities.
 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
4.2.4  devangelical  replied to  Snuffy @4.2.3    2 weeks ago

where were the torches and pitchforks when nixon was on laugh in back in the 60's?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
4.2.5  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  devangelical @4.2.2    2 weeks ago

Still comparing apples to oranges.

An interview is not like a free campaign ad on the eve of an election.

NBC violated a rule, and they did it knowing they won't face any penalty before the election.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
4.2.6  Tessylo  replied to  devangelical @4.2.4    2 weeks ago

Hilarious - I heard Kamala broke 'the equal time rule' for presidential candidates??

How unfair!

While the former 'president' traitor is on view 24/7/365

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
4.2.7  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.2.5    2 weeks ago

When is the former 'president' going to sue NBC?

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
4.2.8  JBB  replied to  Tessylo @4.2.7    2 weeks ago

When will Trump sue NBC? Oh, I don't know. But, probably

as soon as the former 'president' gets to FCI Terre Haute...

There will surely be jail house lawyers to file suits for DJT!

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
4.2.9  devangelical  replied to  Tessylo @4.2.7    2 weeks ago

I thought I heard he filed a $10 billion lawsuit against NBC over it, and then was fund raising online about it ...

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
4.2.10  devangelical  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.2.5    2 weeks ago
NBC violated a rule, and they did it knowing they won't face any penalty before the election

that sounds more like the maga candidate to me ...

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
4.3  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Vic Eldred @4    2 weeks ago

"NBC is paying for their blatant bias."

Not nearly enough.

 
 
 
Hallux
Professor Principal
5  Hallux    2 weeks ago

If the latest poll out of IOWA is an indicator we may well be looking at Harris winning easily.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
5.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Hallux @5    2 weeks ago
is an indicator

That poll has to be an outlier. Another poll has him up by 10 in Iowa:

Trump ahead of Harris in Iowa in new Emerson College poll

 
 
 
Hallux
Professor Principal
5.1.1  Hallux  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.1    2 weeks ago
That poll has to be an outlier.

It could be but the lady who runs it has quite an on the nose record with predictions. Come Wednesday she may surpass Silver in fame. 

 
 
 
George
Junior Expert
5.1.2  George  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.1    2 weeks ago

Pro Harris polls good, Pro trump polls wrong.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
5.1.3  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Hallux @5.1.1    2 weeks ago

Do you really think Harris will take Iowa?

Is that your prediction?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
5.1.4  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  George @5.1.2    2 weeks ago

All that being said, Iowa is reliably Trump territory.

 
 
 
Hallux
Professor Principal
5.1.5  Hallux  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.1.3    2 weeks ago
Is that your prediction?

I have stated innumerable times on this forum that I do not play fool's games; the public has always been an abstraction spinning on a two-headed dime.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
5.1.6  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Hallux @5.1.5    2 weeks ago

That's right.

And I doubt we'll be having anyone doing an election night live seed either.

 
 
 
Hallux
Professor Principal
5.1.7  Hallux  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.1.6    2 weeks ago
And I doubt we'll be having anyone doing an election night live seed either.

Surely not I, but someone will ... if only to needle you.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
5.1.8  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Hallux @5.1.7    2 weeks ago
Surely not I, but someone will ... if only to needle you.

I think the last time they tried that was during the Biden-Trump debate.

You might note that I went on their seed made my observations about the debate and thanked them for going to all the trouble.

 
 
 
Hallux
Professor Principal
5.1.9  Hallux  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.1.8    2 weeks ago

You are truly worthy of a Dollarama trophy

 
 
 
Thomas
Masters Guide
5.2  Thomas  replied to  Hallux @5    2 weeks ago

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Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
5.2.1  Trout Giggles  replied to  Thomas @5.2    2 weeks ago

I voted early....

 
 
 
evilone
Professor Guide
5.2.2  evilone  replied to  Trout Giggles @5.2.1    2 weeks ago

I was inline when my polling place opened.

 
 
 
Thomas
Masters Guide
5.2.3  Thomas  replied to  Trout Giggles @5.2.1    2 weeks ago

I voted at 6:40 this morning.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
5.2.4  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Thomas @5.2.3    2 weeks ago

I voted at 8:30 AM today. Waited in line for 15 minutes and the deed was done. But then again that's a advantage to a small rural community town

 
 
 
Thomas
Masters Guide
5.2.5  Thomas  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @5.2.4    2 weeks ago

The entire township that I live in has one polling place. I walked in, gave my name, got my Ballot, filled it out, put it through the machine, peeled off an "I voted" sticker and was out the door inside of five minutes.


 When I was a kid they would have a big turkey dinner and everyone would go downstairs to meet and eat. The last one of those was some time ago.

 
 
 
evilone
Professor Guide
6  evilone    2 weeks ago

The last week of polling has not gone super well for Trump. The last Iowa poll shows Harris at +3

Vice President Kamala Harris   leads former President Trump by three points in the final Des Moines Register-sponsored poll of Iowa three days before the election.  The shock poll showed a seven-point shift   from Trump   to Harris from September when he had a four-point lead over the vice president (47% to 43%) in the same poll. 

Normally I would chalk this up as a single aberrant poll, but too many of the recent polls across many states are showing a last minute shift to Harris. I really don't think Harris is going to take Iowa, but it looks like Harris could take the blue wall swing states, thought The NY Times has both Michigan and Pennsylvania in a tie.

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This is my prediction map...

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Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
6.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  evilone @6    2 weeks ago

AGAIN:

Trump ahead of Harris in Iowa in new Emerson College poll

Ok so I also have you down as thinking Harris will take Iowa.

Interesting.

 
 
 
evilone
Professor Guide
6.1.1  evilone  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1    2 weeks ago
Ok so I also have you down as thinking Harris will take Iowa.

Do you ever read other people's posts? I said the very opposite. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
6.1.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  evilone @6.1.1    2 weeks ago
Do you ever read other people's posts? I said the very opposite. 

I know. I just went through it with Brat. How do we have polls so opposite taken on the same day?

 
 
 
Hallux
Professor Principal
6.1.3  Hallux  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1.2    2 weeks ago
I just went through it with Brat.

Was that you Kamala?

 
 
 
evilone
Professor Guide
6.1.4  evilone  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1.2    2 weeks ago
How do we have polls so opposite taken on the same day?

To understand that, one would have to pour over the minutia of each pollster. The number of people asked, the questions asked, how the polling was preformed...ect. Both the Sienna and Emerson polling is usually pretty good.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
6.1.5  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  evilone @6.1.4    2 weeks ago

I agree. 

One thing they seem to agree on is the closeness of this election. I go right back to the Priebus bellwether. He ran the ground game for Trump in the 2016 election.

I think Virginia will tell us more than the pollsters.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
6.2  Sean Treacy  replied to  evilone @6    2 weeks ago
he last Iowa poll shows Harris at +3

Emerson was the same day and had Trump +10. 

 
 
 
evilone
Professor Guide
6.2.1  evilone  replied to  Sean Treacy @6.2    2 weeks ago
Emerson was the same day and had Trump +10. 

Which is why I said I don't think she'll win Iowa. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
6.2.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  evilone @6.2.1    2 weeks ago

I doubt the modern polling is random anymore. I think of Iowa the same way I think of Illinois. It is usually painted in before the election.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
6.2.3  devangelical  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.2.2    2 weeks ago

shouldn't you wait for the official prompt before claiming a rigged election?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
6.2.4  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  devangelical @6.2.3    2 weeks ago
a rigged election?

And when did I do that?

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
6.2.5  devangelical  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.2.4    2 weeks ago
And when did I do that?

toeing the line here, but let me know when you want to see a lot more ...

we won't know the winner by tomorrow night, all because of the changes made to the election process in 2020
 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
6.2.6  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  devangelical @6.2.5    2 weeks ago

1) that isn't close to calling it rigged. It is simply a fact.

2) Who made the rule that PA early ballots can't be counted until election day?

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
6.3  JBB  replied to  evilone @6    2 weeks ago

original This is my prediction for the electoral map...

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
7  Sean Treacy    2 weeks ago

Per 538's average of polls, Harris has a .9% lead, which should translate into a Trump win because of how many millions of excess votes Harris runs up in blue states like California, New York and Illinois. But the individual state battleground polls are all pretty favorable for Harris as well. I doubt both can be correct. In 2016, the battleground state polls were all biased towards Hillary.  Maybe that's happening again. 

But I'm betting on Harris right now.  elections come down to who people like more and she's ahead by about 3 points on favorability and favorability is what drives the low frequency, low information/ late decider on whether/how to vote.  The late switch out and hiding her from the public up until the end made it harder for Trump's attacks to gain as much traction as they would over the course of a normal campaign. Trump's 44% approval is just a tough number to overcome. Biden's is at 40%.  Harris has been able to separate herself enough from Biden among low information voters enough that I think she wins a close one. 

It will come down to Pennsylvania and North Carolina. If Trump can win those two he wins.  I just don't think he can win Pennsylvania. Too many precincts in Philly can deliver 100% margins to Harris like they did for Obama in 2012. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
7.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Sean Treacy @7    2 weeks ago
elections come down to who people like more

Considering the stakes here, that is really sad to hear.


 I just don't think he can win Pennsylvania.

I agree that he must win PA.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
7.1.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  Vic Eldred @7.1    2 weeks ago
onsidering the stakes here, that is really sad to hear.

It's very depressing when you hear the rationale behind the vote of the low information/low frequency voter who actually decide elections.

It's why lying about firing squads and screaming Nazi Nazi Nazi the last week can make a difference. Some people actually believe the talking points they just hear.  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
7.1.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Sean Treacy @7.1.1    2 weeks ago

Topped off by Obama repeating the "fine people" lie.

I'm hoping the people know that they've been lied to.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
7.1.3  Sean Treacy  replied to  Vic Eldred @7.1.2    2 weeks ago
Topped off by Obama repeating the "fine people" lie.

They've been playing the hits. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
7.1.4  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @7.1.2    2 weeks ago

What do you know about the timeline of Trump's comments at the time of and in the days after "Charlottesville"?  I know you know nothing because I explained it all to you months ago and evidently you have forgotten. 

One more thing , there were no "fine people" on both sides at Charlottesville. It was a white supremacist rally and none of the people on that side were fine people. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
7.1.5  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Sean Treacy @7.1.3    2 weeks ago
They've been playing the hits. 

But without the "joy."

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Tessylo
Professor Principal
7.1.6  Tessylo  replied to  JohnRussell @7.1.4    2 weeks ago

'It was a white supremacist rally and none of the people on that side were fine people.' 

Sounds like the Madison Square Garden 'rally'

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
7.1.7  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @7.1.2    2 weeks ago
'I'm hoping the people know that they've been lied to.'

We do, for four years now - just with this election alone, the incitement for more than four years now

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
7.1.8  devangelical  replied to  Vic Eldred @7.1.2    2 weeks ago
I'm hoping the people know that they've been lied to.

I'd say most of maga is way beyond that kind of rehabilitation ...

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
7.1.9  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @7.1.7    2 weeks ago
for four years now

That is correct.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
7.1.10  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  devangelical @7.1.8    2 weeks ago

See post 7.1.7 above.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
7.1.11  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @7.1.9    2 weeks ago

'the incitement for more than four years now'

MORE than four years now - I forgot to include the incitement after he lost in 2020 - while he continues to incite.  Thank goodness today is Election Day and it will be all over with for the most part soon.  

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
8  JohnRussell    2 weeks ago

At long last, far far too long, America may have had enough of Donald Trump. If he loses his MSG rally near the end of the campaign will have been the turning point.  After that momentum and public opinion shifted to Harris as people began to experience the feelings of  the British colonel who betrays his values in Bridge Over The River Kwai who realizes "what have I done?"

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
8.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @8    2 weeks ago

As someone famous said: It might be best to leave movies to those who understand them.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
8.1.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @8.1    2 weeks ago

Do you think Trump has ever watched Young Mr. Lincoln? 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
8.1.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @8.1.1    2 weeks ago

I have no idea and why on earth would that be important?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
8.1.3  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @8.1.2    2 weeks ago

Everything goes over your head. 

I dont know why people waste their time. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
8.1.4  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @8.1.3    2 weeks ago

All I know is both those men loved America.

Have a good one.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
8.1.5  Trout Giggles  replied to  Vic Eldred @8.1.4    2 weeks ago

trmp does not love America. He only loves himself

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Senior Expert
8.1.6  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JohnRussell @8.1.1    2 weeks ago

I found A Face in the Crowd as a fascinating movie that is still relevant today.  Amazingly it was Andy Griffith's first movie and Patricia Neal is always very good.  One of Kazan's best:

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
8.1.7  Tessylo  replied to  Trout Giggles @8.1.5    2 weeks ago

trump loves trump

should be a bumper sticker

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
8.1.8  devangelical  replied to  Vic Eldred @8.1.4    2 weeks ago
All I know is both those men loved America.

nationally revered statesman versus convicted felon ...

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Guide
8.1.9  Split Personality  replied to  Trout Giggles @8.1.5    2 weeks ago

He loves the Benjamins!

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
8.1.10  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  devangelical @8.1.8    2 weeks ago

Lincoln wasn't revered during his time.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
8.1.11  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Trout Giggles @8.1.5    2 weeks ago

Oh, that solves it.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
8.1.12  devangelical  replied to  Vic Eldred @8.1.10    2 weeks ago
Lincoln wasn't revered during his time.

especially by unamerican white supremacists, that all deserved a mini-ball in the brain and a shallow grave, not amnesty ...

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Expert
8.2  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JohnRussell @8    2 weeks ago
At long last, far far too long, America may have had enough of Donald Trump.

I think most have had enough of the left crying about Donald Trump.  The fiction coming from the left stopped being funny years ago.  Now it's just pathetic.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
8.2.1  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @8.2    2 weeks ago

Instead of the liberal left whining about the big orange bad man, they should have concentrated on coming up with somebody better on their side, but saddled us with Biden and Harris instead and failed big time.

 
 
 
George
Junior Expert
8.2.2  George  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @8.2.1    2 weeks ago

The democrats would have been better off picking the guy that finished second to Biden in the primary, instead of appointing a candidate. Kamala is just not likable in a popularity contest where that matters.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
8.2.3  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  George @8.2.2    2 weeks ago

Read a story on line just a few minutes ago that as a veteran made my blood boil. It was about a USMC veteran who was murdered in cold blood on a highway in Mexico while working there a little over a week ago. His grieving and distraught parents pleaded for help from the Biden administration but Biden has refused to answer them at all. They went to a Harris rally in Phoenix to try to see Kamala Harris but were turned away being told the venue was full by Harris staffers. They then tried to contact Waltz hoping that as a veteran himself he could help them. The parents recieved zero word from either Harris or Waltz while being told by the campaign that they were just too busy. The Marine's uncle contacted the Trump campaigne and the family ultimately met with both Trump and Vance who each took 15 minutes out of their schedules to meet with the grieving family. This story cemented my choice for president. How the liberal left can even think Harris could be Commander in Chief and be qualified to run this country is beyond me after pretty much spitting in the face of that poor family. Especially Waltz! That is even more disgusting.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Expert
8.2.4  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @8.2.1    2 weeks ago

Given the results of yesterday, the "Orange man bad" shrieking will now continue.  They won't realize they installed the worst possible candidate.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Expert
8.2.5  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  George @8.2.2    2 weeks ago
The democrats would have been better off picking the guy that finished second to Biden in the primary

I think their choice of Harris was that, given she was part of the Biden admin, she would continue with what they were doing.  Then when asked about those failing policies, she spewed her word salads and demonstrated a lack of decision making abilities.  She was in over her head.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
9  devangelical    2 weeks ago
CBS still refuses to provide the transcript of the "60 Minutes" Kamala Harris interview.

FOX still refuses to provide the transcript and edited footage of trump's barbershop interview ...

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
9.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  devangelical @9    2 weeks ago

Apples to oranges?

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
9.1.1  devangelical  replied to  Vic Eldred @9.1    2 weeks ago

if you're confused by the comparison, I would urge you to interact with any one of those that voted up my comment.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
9.1.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  devangelical @9.1.1    2 weeks ago
any one of those that voted up my comment.

Lol. In due time.

 
 
 
George
Junior Expert
10  George    2 weeks ago

It feels like democrats are spiking the football before reaching the end zone. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
10.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  George @10    2 weeks ago

If you look closely, you'll note they are a little concerned.

 
 
 
Hallux
Professor Principal
10.1.1  Hallux  replied to  Vic Eldred @10.1    2 weeks ago
you'll note they are a little concerned.

... and on the other side more than a little resigned. If he loses I expect the few remaining election sages in the GoP to have him flayed, drawn and quartered the gool ol' fashioned way for his hubristic idiocy that may prove to be his demise. The public abstraction has caught up to his shtick and appear to be exhausted with it.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
10.1.2  devangelical  replied to  Hallux @10.1.1    2 weeks ago

my favorite part of trump's loss will be the inevitable assignment of blame landing upon xtian nationalists ...

but hey, look at the bright side thumpers, 2 millennium was a pretty good run for a musical fairytale fantasy ...

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
10.1.3  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Hallux @10.1.1    2 weeks ago

If he loses there won't be a GOP.

Harris will begin a five-year plan for the country.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
10.1.4  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @10.1.3    2 weeks ago

'If he loses there won't be a GOP.'

No loss.  It's nothing but a freakshow/shitshow now.

 
 
 
Hallux
Professor Principal
10.1.5  Hallux  replied to  Vic Eldred @10.1.3    2 weeks ago
Harris will begin a five-year plan for the country.

Oh dear, better have a uniform tailored for her or she could just borrow the one Obama's foes liked to depict on him. Or ... seeing as she's been enticing real republicans to join her maybe Stevie Bannon will join up with all of his Trotskyist fans, they're one and all big on 5-whatevers.

 
 
 
Hallux
Professor Principal
10.1.6  Hallux  replied to  devangelical @10.1.2    2 weeks ago

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George
Junior Expert
10.1.7  George  replied to  Hallux @10.1.6    2 weeks ago

[]

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
10.1.8  devangelical  replied to  Vic Eldred @10.1.3    2 weeks ago
Harris will begin a five-year plan for the country.

yeah, she'll adopt project 2025 and change the words from republican to democrat and conservative to progressive, and it'll be the xtian nationalists and election deniers occupying the detention camps and getting deported ... /s

 
 
 
Hallux
Professor Principal
10.1.9  Hallux  replied to  George @10.1.7    2 weeks ago

Keep your sectual fantacies to yourself. Now excuse me, along with my fellow Canucks we still have several dead-red states to vote in dead and/or alive (both being preferable).

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
10.1.10  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  devangelical @10.1.8    2 weeks ago

Project 2025 is what frightens the deep blue state and Kamala is what reassures it.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
10.1.11  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Hallux @10.1.5    2 weeks ago

Maybe she still has her McDonalds apron.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
10.1.12  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @10.1.4    2 weeks ago
No loss.

And no democracy.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
10.1.13  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @10.1.12    2 weeks ago

No loss.  Nothing but a freak/shit show.

Democracy will be quite fine once that freakshow shitshow former 'president' loses.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
10.1.14  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Tessylo @10.1.13    2 weeks ago

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Tessylo
Professor Principal
10.1.15  Tessylo  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @10.1.14    2 weeks ago

Hate and impotence won.  I think I hate his enablers supporters just as much as I hate that scumbag cockroach 'president'.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
Professor Expert
11  Nerm_L    2 weeks ago

The only thing we know for certain about this election is that on Wednesday Democrats go nuts.  If Harris wins, Democrats will be on a retribution ride demanding justice.  If Harris loses, Democrats will be hold recrimination rallies blaming anything and everything except themselves.  Either way, Democrats are destined to go nuts on Wednesday.

Republican reaction is difficult to predict.  We know they'll have to get up and go to work, like any other day.  In the end it may not matter since the media will focus attention on Democrats.  The only Republican reaction that will get press coverage will serve to either satisfy Democrats' retribution or assuage Democrats' recriminations.  The press will be cashing in on disunity; they really did all they could to divide the country in preparation for the payday after the election.

The real fun won't begin until January 21, 2025.  A Trump inauguration will drive Democrats and their domestic and foreign sycophants crazy.  A Harris inauguration will bring out hoards of political spinners, like cockroaches, to clean up after her.  No matter who wins, Democrats are going to be consumed by regrets, scapegoating, gaslighting, infighting, backbiting, and overall politics as usual for Democrats.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
11.1  devangelical  replied to  Nerm_L @11    2 weeks ago
Democrats will be on a retribution ride demanding justice.  If Harris loses, Democrats will be hold recrimination rallies blaming anything and everything except themselves.

... uh, you're describing the trump campaign, revenge and retribution, by his own words ...

 
 
 
Nerm_L
Professor Expert
11.1.1  Nerm_L  replied to  devangelical @11.1    2 weeks ago
... uh, you're describing the trump campaign, revenge and retribution, by his own words ...

And so it begins ...

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
11.1.2  Tessylo  replied to  devangelical @11.1    2 weeks ago

The endless PD&D plus defense of the indefensible.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
11.1.3  devangelical  replied to  Nerm_L @11.1.1    2 weeks ago
And so it begins ...

... and it ends a lot sooner than you think.

 
 
 
Hallux
Professor Principal
11.2  Hallux  replied to  Nerm_L @11    2 weeks ago

So ... the bright light in all of this is you won't be happy. Oh darn, I just may have to overdose on a fine Uisce Beatha.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
Professor Expert
11.2.1  Nerm_L  replied to  Hallux @11.2    2 weeks ago
So ... the bright light in all of this is you won't be happy. Oh darn, I just may have to overdose on a fine Uisce Beatha.

Why is it all about me?  I'm not Lazarus Long.  

The problem is that Democrats haven't found a Leibowitz for their canticle.  That's not my doing.  It doesn't require a crystal ball to predict that Democrats won't be happy until no one is happy.  After all, the midterm elections really do begin on Nov. 6th.  And Democrats really are going to prime the press in preparation for the next all important election.  

I thought we were all supposed to self medicate on legal weed.  Whiskey is so last century.    

 
 
 
Hallux
Professor Principal
11.2.2  Hallux  replied to  Nerm_L @11.2.1    2 weeks ago
Whiskey is so last century. 

So is my liver. Cheers!

 
 
 
Hallux
Professor Principal
11.2.3  Hallux  replied to  Nerm_L @11.2.1    2 weeks ago
Why is it all about me? 

Cuz you sound like the other guy who it's all about ... glum.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
12  author  Vic Eldred    2 weeks ago

To those on flights today:

Use caution the crazy radicals are out there:

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
12.1  devangelical  replied to  Vic Eldred @12    2 weeks ago

newsflash : maga flyer exhibits thinner skin than commercial jet airliner ...

 
 
 
George
Junior Expert
12.1.1  George  replied to  devangelical @12.1    2 weeks ago

And yet it was the miserable intolerant bitch who got tossed......Hysterical. the people at the funeral she was going to probably celebrated her absence.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
13  author  Vic Eldred    2 weeks ago

 
 
 
Hallux
Professor Principal
13.1  Hallux  replied to  Vic Eldred @13    2 weeks ago

"Oh the humanity!"

(apol. to Herb Morrison)

 
 
 
afrayedknot
Junior Quiet
13.1.1  afrayedknot  replied to  Hallux @13.1    2 weeks ago

Anecdotal evidence aplenty, thanks to the musky venue.

A whole, unholy world where one can access and can pass along any sort of ‘information’, conveniently devoid of individual thought.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
13.1.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  afrayedknot @13.1.1    2 weeks ago
conveniently devoid of individual thought.

Kamala to a T

 
 
 
afrayedknot
Junior Quiet
13.1.3  afrayedknot  replied to  Vic Eldred @13.1.2    2 weeks ago

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Hallux
Professor Principal
13.1.4  Hallux  replied to  afrayedknot @13.1.1    2 weeks ago

“People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of thought which they seldom use.”

Kierkegaard

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
14  author  Vic Eldred    2 weeks ago

And in North Carolina:



I always liked Andy Griffith. He loved small town America and the people who lived there.

The narrator there is so right. Just a regular guy who knows right from wrong.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
14.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @14    2 weeks ago
The   signs   were recovered from the trunk of a car in a Nixa neighborhood. The Springfield Police Department has assigned an investigator to look into the alleged   theft   of 59   Harris /Walz   signs   from a Springfield neighborhood. They’re currently at SPD after being recovered at a Nixa home by the Nixa Police Department.
www.krps.org/missouri-news/2024-10-23/59-harris-walz-signs-stolen-from-a-springf…
 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
14.2  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @14    2 weeks ago

As if Trump supporters dont attack and steal Harris signage etc.

Is this how you are spending your last comments before the election? 

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    ...

    Harris signs pilfered from around 30 Tree Streets homes

    Oct 24, 2024  · Kate McCusker plants a replacement   Harris -Walz   sign   on West Locust Street in Johnson City, Tenn. Oct. 24, 2024 to replace one   stolen   from her yard the night before. (Photo: …

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
14.2.1  JohnRussell  replied to  JohnRussell @14.2    2 weeks ago
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    Harris -Walz campaign   signs stolen , homes vandalized in Oneida …

    Oct 15, 2024  · The Oneida County Democratic Committee has received multiple reports of   Harris -Walz and other Democratic campaign   signs   being   stolen   around the county, along with instances of property damage at ...

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
14.2.2  devangelical  replied to  JohnRussell @14.2.1    2 weeks ago

I created a local stir on craigslist's rants and raves way back during the obama terms by offering to buy mcain and romney yard signs, and then claiming to sell them back to the campaigns. the impotent tea party death threats were hilarious ...

like it or not, spittle spewing vitriol in american politics is an american tradition ...

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
16  Tessylo    2 weeks ago

I thought this was hilarious.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
17  Ed-NavDoc    2 weeks ago

Was sitting at my kitchen table a little while ago eating a sandwich and noticed a magazine of my daughters called scary facts. She saw me looking at it and said I should read it. I told her I had enough other scary things to read. I told her tomorrow is election day and that what was on the news online was scary enough...

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
18  JohnRussell    2 weeks ago

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MICKEY ROURKE

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
18.1  devangelical  replied to  JohnRussell @18    2 weeks ago

oh yeah, mickey pretty much sums it all up ...

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
18.1.1  JohnRussell  replied to  devangelical @18.1    2 weeks ago
“I’d rather stick a .38 up my ass and pull the trigger than vote for Donald Trump.” 

I guess it should be noted that Rourke made these comments in a previous election cycle, but he still has the same viewpoint. 

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
18.1.2  devangelical  replied to  JohnRussell @18.1.1    2 weeks ago

I'm sure he's much more restrained this election cycle ...

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
18.1.3  JohnRussell  replied to  devangelical @18.1.2    2 weeks ago

Not really. He recently told an interview that he was visited by the Secret Service because of something he was thinking about Trump. 

 
 
 
Freewill
Junior Quiet
18.2  Freewill  replied to  JohnRussell @18    2 weeks ago

Really?!!!   I don't like Trump either but are you really getting behind the words of a wife abuser like Mickey Rourke?  When did you become a fan of the tough guy toxically masculine dudes who talk like that?

At least one DUI, alcohol and drug abuse, reckless driving, resisting arrest, sounds like a peach of a guy.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
19  JohnRussell    2 weeks ago

This afternoon the Wall St Journal called for Trump to be pardoned on the first day of the new administration, no matter who wins. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
20  JohnRussell    2 weeks ago

Trump's final message of the 2024 campaign is that he was "totally exonerated" by the Mueller Report.   I shit you not. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
21  author  Vic Eldred    2 weeks ago

Dixville Notch reports in:

Officials announced the first result of this election — in a small New Hampshire hamlet — 12 minutes after midnight. Trump and Harris tied with 3 votes each!

Midnight Vote in Dixville Notch Ends in a Trump-Harris Tie - The New York Times

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
22  author  Vic Eldred    2 weeks ago

Breaking:

A Pennsylvania judge ruled that Elon Musk’s election sweepstakes, which gave some voters a chance to win $1 million, obviously, did not violate any law.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
23  author  Vic Eldred    2 weeks ago

Question of the day:

Which news outlet will you watch to get election results?

 
 
 
George
Junior Expert
23.1  George  replied to  Vic Eldred @23    2 weeks ago

Probably a Castle re-run or something I have recorded.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
23.1.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  George @23.1    2 weeks ago

Very good!

 
 
 
Hallux
Professor Principal
23.2  Hallux  replied to  Vic Eldred @23    2 weeks ago

PBS, fewer cheerleaders. MSNBC's Kornacki is irritating. CNN has been out to lunch since 9-11 and FOX has had understandable stage fright ever since 2020.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
23.3  devangelical  replied to  Vic Eldred @23    2 weeks ago
Which news outlet will you watch to get election results?

FOX, I love watching slapstick, especially when willfully ignorant morons get the rugs yanked from under their feet ...

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
24  author  Vic Eldred    2 weeks ago

CNN's homepage headline right now :

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And CNN has been one of the leaders in disinformation.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
24.1  devangelical  replied to  Vic Eldred @24    2 weeks ago

the loudest source of disinformation will abruptly end in about 3 weeks when trump is remanded into custody ...

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
24.1.1  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  devangelical @24.1    2 weeks ago

Not gonna happen.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
24.1.2  Tessylo  replied to  devangelical @24.1    2 weeks ago

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Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
25  author  Vic Eldred    2 weeks ago

Oprah to women voters: If you don't elect Kamala, you will lose voting rights:

Oprah Winfrey warns that not voting for Harris could mean never being able to ‘cast a ballot again’

They must think women are stupid.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
25.1  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @25    2 weeks ago

The former 'president' traitor said so himself.  'Vote for me and you'll never have to vote again.'

They are.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
26  author  Vic Eldred    2 weeks ago

BREAKING: Assistant County Manager Zach Schira has confirmed the full election results might take a few days to announce after Election Day in Maricopa County, AZ He says the candidates ahead might change after Election Night after days of counting and that it’s “normal.”

With that I'll call it a day.

 
 
 
charger 383
Professor Silent
27  charger 383    2 weeks ago

This country will still be deeply divided and angry no matter who wins

 
 
 
Snuffy
Professor Participates
27.1  Snuffy  replied to  charger 383 @27    2 weeks ago

Unfortunately very true. I don't see either candidate as being a uniter should they win and the partisan divide is just too deep to get over quickly. I have hopes that it can someday be bridged but I think that will take a very long time. I can only hope that no matter who wins, the losing side doesn't take to rioting and destroying property.

The only benefit from this election that I can see is that we will at least get a short break before they start campaigning for the mid-terms.

 
 
 
evilone
Professor Guide
27.1.1  evilone  replied to  Snuffy @27.1    2 weeks ago
I have hopes that it can someday be bridged but I think that will take a very long time.

It will only happen if politicians grow a spine and call out the the populist crazy in their own parties.

 
 
 
Snuffy
Professor Participates
27.1.2  Snuffy  replied to  evilone @27.1.1    2 weeks ago

Unfortunately we know the odds of that happening. 

 
 
 
evilone
Professor Guide
27.1.3  evilone  replied to  Snuffy @27.1.2    2 weeks ago
Unfortunately we know the odds of that happening. 

Slim to none and slim just left town.

 
 
 
afrayedknot
Junior Quiet
27.1.4  afrayedknot  replied to  Snuffy @27.1.2    2 weeks ago

“Unfortunately we know the odds of that happening.”

Not until a new generation of voters choose to leave the dysfunction behind and elect a new generation of leaders, as ours has left a wake of division and distrust. Hopefully apathy will not be the outcome that defines our legacy. 

 
 
 
Snuffy
Professor Participates
27.1.5  Snuffy  replied to  afrayedknot @27.1.4    2 weeks ago

Read an interesting opinion article this morning, was wondering if it might help to bridge the divide in the country. The opinion was that should Harris win, she should issue a pardon for Trump. The idea is that might take some of the heat off of his hard-core followers and allow tensions to lessen.  What are your thoughts on that?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
27.1.6  JohnRussell  replied to  Snuffy @27.1.5    2 weeks ago

The only way that would achieve the intended purpose is if Trump and MAGA do not claim the election was stolen. If they remain quiet through the inauguration, I think it might be worth consideration.  

But neither Trump nor his followers will be quiet so there's no chance she pardons him. 

 
 
 
Snuffy
Professor Participates
27.1.7  Snuffy  replied to  JohnRussell @27.1.6    2 weeks ago

But neither Trump nor his followers will be quiet so there's no chance she pardons him. 

Or it could show that she is the bigger person and it might quiet down some after the fact. Something needs to be done to try to heal the divide and so far the "leadership" in Washington have not shown any interest in doing anything positive. 
 
 
 
afrayedknot
Junior Quiet
27.1.8  afrayedknot  replied to  Snuffy @27.1.5    2 weeks ago

“The idea is that might take some of the heat off of his hard-core followers and allow tensions to lessen.”

When Ford pardoned Nixon, Nixon had already resigned signally at least a modicum of contrition. Nixon did not have any sort of popular support that trump enjoys, making the pardon more a healing in terms of the office than the personality. 

Should trump lose, accept defeat sans any litigation, and issue a formal statement encouraging his supporters to accept the results, then and only then should a possible pardon be considered. A lot of things to come before this is done, but to answer your query, it may be a possibility when adults are in the room.

Again, just my opinion. 

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
27.1.9  devangelical  replied to  Snuffy @27.1.5    2 weeks ago
should Harris win, she should issue a pardon for Trump. The idea is that might take some of the heat off of his hard-core followers

fuck that. trump should be thankful there won't be 9 rifles involved in any of the punishment he so richly deserves ...

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
27.2  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  charger 383 @27    2 weeks ago

Amen to that.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
27.3  Tessylo  replied to  charger 383 @27    2 weeks ago

Yeah, 1/6 was no biggie, right?

And you're still gloating over the traitor's win.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Expert
28  Jeremy Retired in NC    2 weeks ago

And it starts: 

Republican Poll Watchers Blocked From Duty In Multiple Pennsylvania Counties

https://thefederalist.com/2024/11/05/republican-poll-watchers-blocked-from-duty-in-multiple-pennsylvania-counties/  

Widespread voting problems reported in 2 heavily Republican Pennsylvania counties

Arizona Officials’ Database Fiasco Is Still Causing Headaches For Voters And Election Workers

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
28.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @28    2 weeks ago

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JohnRussell
Professor Principal
28.2  JohnRussell  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @28    2 weeks ago

"Big protest in D.C. on January 6th,   Be there, will be wild!"

Donald Trump

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Expert
28.2.1  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JohnRussell @28.2    2 weeks ago

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Tessylo
Professor Principal
28.2.2  Tessylo  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @28.2.1    2 weeks ago

THE PROJECTION.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
28.2.3  JohnRussell  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @28.2.1    2 weeks ago

Trump doesnt even need to make a new tweet , just copy and paste the one from 2020.  The electoral college certfication in Congress is on Jan 6 again. 

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Expert
28.2.4  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JohnRussell @28.2.3    2 weeks ago

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Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
28.2.5  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Tessylo @28.2.2    2 weeks ago

THE DENIAL.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Expert
28.2.6  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @28.2.5    2 weeks ago

[]

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Masters Guide
28.2.7  Right Down the Center  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @28.2.6    2 weeks ago

[]

 
 
 
George
Junior Expert
29  George    2 weeks ago

Judge extend voting until 10pm because of software issues in Pennsylvania? 2 fucking years and they just didn't bother testing it until today? whoever is in charge needs to be fired.

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Guide
29.1  Split Personality  replied to  George @29    2 weeks ago
Judge extend voting until 10pm because of software issues in Pennsylvania?

In Cambria County there were issues with the scanners taking a long time to record the vote.  A judge extended the Cambria County polls to 10PM.

2 fucking years and they just didn't bother testing it until today?

In Bedford County, Poll workers reported that several Vote tabulators needed to be attended to by IT people and there was no delay to voting.

whoever is in charge needs to be fired.

Maybe the New York Post should look at whoever blew these issues out of context ?  Looks like the poll workers did what was needed.

 
 
 
George
Junior Expert
29.1.1  George  replied to  Split Personality @29.1    2 weeks ago
Maybe the New York Post should look at whoever blew these issues out of context ?

Sigh....... Election security updates: Voting hours extended in Pennsylvania county - ABC News  

 
 
 
George
Junior Expert
29.1.2  George  replied to  Split Personality @29.1    2 weeks ago
Looks like the poll workers did what was needed.

That is an ignorant comment, the poll workers aren't the ones who should verify that the equipment works before election day. 

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Guide
29.1.3  Split Personality  replied to  George @29.1.2    2 weeks ago
That is an ignorant comment,

How so?  Poll workers are exactly the people who should check equipment before the doors open.  The equipment was reported and collected for repair and replaced. 

Tabulators aren't used until the polls close....

Sigh....but continue with the shade.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Expert
30  Jeremy Retired in NC    2 weeks ago

Then there is this: 

Georgetown U. provides ‘self-care suites’ for coddled students stressed about Election Day — complete with milk and cookies and coloring books

Reality must be so hard to handle for them.  

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
31  JohnRussell    2 weeks ago

The value of shares in Trumps media company just plunged

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Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
32  Sean Treacy    2 weeks ago

Kamala pretends to talk to a voter on the phone  accidently shows she's on the camera app.

Between this and the multiple takes last night to stage a successful door to door campaign visit, she can't even act like an actual politician, which is her only job. Even being  a puppet seems to much to ask. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
33  Sean Treacy    2 weeks ago

Who will protect the men from their abusive spouses?  

"I have guys come up to me and say, 'I really have no choice. My girlfriend will kill me. My wife will kill me if I don't vote for Kamala Harris.'"

Sen. Booker

I guess Republicans should have run commercials saying it's okay for men to vote Republican secretly because the crazy, abusive women in their life won't know..

 
 
 
George
Junior Expert
34  George    2 weeks ago

Trump is currently a 4/5 favorite with Kamala a 11/10 underdog. the only one you can be sure will win is the house.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
34.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  George @34    2 weeks ago

The online bookie I've been watching has kept Kamala at +135 since the polls opened. None of the reported turnout numbers has moved the needle.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
34.1.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  Sean Treacy @34.1    2 weeks ago

Slight movement towards Trump after exit polls..

odds Harris winning popular vote +electoral college went from +135 to +140. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
34.1.2  Sean Treacy  replied to  Sean Treacy @34.1.1    2 weeks ago

Odd now +155 for Harris to win popular and electoral....

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
34.2  JohnRussell  replied to  George @34    2 weeks ago

As I said the other day,  in horseracing 11/10 underdogs beat 4/5 favorites every day. 

 
 
 
George
Junior Expert
34.2.1  George  replied to  JohnRussell @34.2    2 weeks ago

But the 4/5 favorites win more often. That is why they are the favorites.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
35  JohnRussell    2 weeks ago

First preliminary NBC exit polls just released  - number one issue for voters was the state of democracy.

The economy was a close second. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
35.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @35    2 weeks ago

Interesting that democracy was the most important issue to Democratic voters. Seems like that was the issue that resonated. 

Abortion is about as 1/2 as important as it was to the electorate in 2022. Immigration is twice as important as it was in 2022. Harris only leads by 6% on who is trusted more on abortion...All of those millions for a 6 point advantage. ouch. 

If Trump wins, it will be because only 26% of the  country is satisfied with the state of the US. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
36  JohnRussell    2 weeks ago

@cenkuygur ·

2h

CBS is reporting that Trump is going to declare victory before the results are clear. Of course. Because he's a huge liar and believes in cheating as a strategy. Republicans in the House will object to certification if Trump loses because they're also enormous cheaters.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
36.1  TᵢG  replied to  JohnRussell @36    2 weeks ago

No surprise there.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
36.2  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @36    2 weeks ago
Republicans in the House will object to certification if Trump loses because they're also enormous cheater

Since Democrats have objected to certification every time they lost this century, and will doubtless do so again, I guess they are in same boat.

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
36.2.1  JBB  replied to  Sean Treacy @36.2    2 weeks ago

False! The Republican candidate for President has only won the popular vote once since 1988. That was in 2004 which was only once this century. Democrats didn't challenge Bush's win in 2004!

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
36.2.2  Sean Treacy  replied to  JBB @36.2.1    2 weeks ago
Democrats didn't challenge Bush's win in 2004!

Lol. don't you remember how diebold stole Ohio for Bush?

 
 
 
Snuffy
Professor Participates
36.2.3  Snuffy  replied to  JBB @36.2.1    2 weeks ago

Go back and re-read 36.2. It never said anything about the popular vote. Your declaration of 'false' is wrong as the Democrats did indeed object to certification every time they lost the presidential election.

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Guide
36.2.4  Split Personality  replied to  Snuffy @36.2.3    2 weeks ago
every time they lost the presidential election.

Simply not true.

Technically Sean was right when he said "this century" as Dems objected in 2000, 2004 and 2016.

Republicans objected in 2008, 2012 and 2020, hence both sides do it.

 
 
 
Freewill
Junior Quiet
36.3  Freewill  replied to  JohnRussell @36    2 weeks ago
CBS is reporting that Trump is going to declare victory before the results are clear.

Just before midnight PST CBS reporting 266 electoral votes for Trump and Wisconsin leaning to Trump.  Trump gave a speech in Florida, essentially claiming victory, which unfortunately looks like a certainty.  Not sure how that would be “cheating” hours after all polls had closed, but I understand your concern.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
37  Sean Treacy    2 weeks ago

Gender profile of voters same as 2016. 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
Professor Expert
37.1  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Sean Treacy @37    2 weeks ago

Which IMO proves my theory of how Kamala Harris can lose. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
37.1.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @37.1    2 weeks ago

Yes, women can think for themselves and not be led like robots.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
38  Sean Treacy    2 weeks ago

Much earlier night than I expected. hell, I thought Harris would win narrowly.

trump wins. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
39  Sean Treacy    2 weeks ago

Much earlier night than I expected. hell, I thought Harris would win narrowly.

trump wins. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
39.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Sean Treacy @39    2 weeks ago

It was exciting!

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Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Expert
39.2  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Sean Treacy @39    2 weeks ago

And harris couldn't even come out for her supporters.

 
 

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