A Pause for "Civility" (Because it Seems Those Who Find it Lacking in Others … Post the Most Uncivil Seeds Both in Number and Vitriol)
I can kick ass with the best of 'em, however, unlike some folks, I realize that at times I need to get in touch with my creative, civil side.
Not too long ago (this evening), I was accused of having no life as in "get one."
Good thing I din't, I guess, because it gives me time between ass-whoopins' to make artwork.
White-tailed Deer Fawn "Portrait"
A. Mac/A.G.
Tags
Who is online
203 visitors
Yup! I like baby animals and flowers
But you don't want to f' with me.
Enjoy the artwork created in my spare time, which, for a guy like me that has no life, is all-the-time.
XX, such as when you use the terms such as, ''Jack boot thugs'' among various other ''terms''...Yes indeed, it surely does look that way.
Beautiful photos Mac.
Somehow, I think we all come here angry, and only become more so, in reading the posts and seeds. I'm pretty tired of being attacked for a more liberal viewpoint, and being told that I am being "tolerated" for being here.
To be perfectly honest, I don't need this. I can be in a wonderful mood, and come here, and in two minutes, I'm ready to quit. Life is too short.
Content that promotes, implies, misrepresents and/or is outright ugly and mean-spirited is, by definition, lacking civility.
That's a lame interpretation and a cop out; rebuttal is not "changing the subject" -- it's correcting misinformation -- attacking a source, particularly when the specific reasons for doing so is the equivalent of vetting "witness credibility."
If one has no comprehension of the scope of the topic one broaches, one is likely unable or unwilling to recognize what is germane to it.
Otherwise, how do ya' like my pictures, Dude?
And what's with you anyway? When I correct some of your misinformed seeds, you tell me to "go write my own article!" And now that I did, your paranoia brought you here to criticize me for doing so.
What's up with that?
I wonder if we are going to see a response to that, because if there is none, then that is very telling.
And that is all I have tried to tell you in our many debates; you tend to post heated topics and I respond with rebuttals. That's what dialogue and discussion is about.
But, I'm glad you're here and hope you'll come here regularly; hopefully we now understand one another a bit better.
Peace.
Let me reassure you Sis, you are one of the people that MAKE this place the nice place it is.
Without you we would be all smaller.
I can tell you what your pics do for me Brother, they bring a sense of what is important in reality.
And anyone that can do that out from the chaos of the world (both of you) are special my friends. Don't ever chose the easy path of getting a life rather than living the one you have. Such would disheartening to say the least.
To the rest of the asshats that think bringing others down to their miniscule level with insults when they can't get their way, aught to find the life they left behind. cause they are missing the most important parts of it.
Marsha, Sweetheart, listen to RW and Mac, they are the ones that are truly in the "KNOW" when it comes to being a friend and partner in the blog world. AS I'm sure there are others also here and absent that will agree with me.
It's sometimes hard to tell the bloviators from the straight up sociopaths. But members with character, wear it like a warm coat.
However, one thing I do know is thats nice artwork A. Mac. Seeing the innocence of that fawn should melt even the coldest cynic.
Happy civility day to you all.
Thanks, RW. Really, thank you.
I just get tired that the incivility reigns on all articles. It is discouraging, when one just wants to talk.
I'm not going anywhere yet, but it would be nice to put a hiatus on nasty for awhile...
XX, actually, there are some viewpoints where we agree, and I've been trying to find those, and tell you. See? I'm not such a horrible person!
Different points of view is what makes the world more interesting-- but it doesn't have to be shouted at the top of one's lungs. Not that you do--- but a lot of your friends do.
NWM, thanks. I just get 'discouraged' at times. Hopefully, the new site will help.
Beautiful photo Mac! It was downright damned civil of you to share it with us.
That's true Dowser! You're one of the reasons I have for getting up in the morning and coming here! Anyone doesn't love you ain't worth your time worrying about. They are obviously pond scum!
OR MONKEY PUS!!!
Lovely Photos Mac.
Often I think that people think that by civility, one means to only talk about nice things and never get into a heated debate. That is not what is meant. It means treating each other with the same respect that each of us would like to be treated with.
Right, Perrie, but what if one is a masochist?
What ^ he said !
I have seen meanness from unlikely people. I have seen it on both sides of the political fence. I have also seen article run nice and clean and have a very intense subject. The site is what you make of it. Be the change that you want (I mean this to everyone).
Dear A. Mac: I reside within three counties of the only known place on North America while has live non-albino white deer.
Your white tail image brought that to mind.
E.
Thank you both!
Sometimes, I just get discouraged, and fed up. I've been taking a little break, and probably will stay on it for a while.
Thanks!
DOWSER FOR PRESIDENT!!!
Ha! No way, dear Buzz!
Everyone would hate me, and I'd want to crawl into a hole and die...
Maybe, but at least I know you wouldn't kiss the Ayatolla's ass.
True, dat. I'd want to pluck his beard...
A Mac
Your pictures, like civility, are wonderful things to be treasured.
Great article
Some people get tired, and some people don't get tired.
After reading, and writing, thousands and thousands of comments on this forum, and participating in other forums to a much lesser degree,( but seeing them ), I conclude that Newstalkers does by far the most "navel-gazing" of any forum out there. Other forums do have threads where they call each other names and people make stupid remarks back and forth, and it is fairly common, what I don't see them having is so much angst and melancholy about it. NT is somewhat weepy, you might say.
There is a constant undercurrent on Newstalkers of people lobbying for the right to have all opinions declared to be equally valid. If someone wants to say Obama is an African born communist traitor who wants to destroy America , and wants to say it 5000 times (XX) , thats okay because we should hug one another.
Perrie wants NT to be all things to all people, which doesn't seem to always work all that well.
Not all things for all people. that's where you don't get it.
A place where all "Discussions" can be had by everyone without any slant or bias.
It is difficult to achieve such when so many want to take the easy path and make the site conform to their own ideals.
And that is where all the angst comes from. Some want a liberal echo chamber, some want a conservative one. What we have is neither and that makes some people very unhappy. And in their unhappiness they go about trashing the place cause it isn't what they want to make it. (not everyone is into conformance performances)
The unhappy people are those with an agenda that want it one way or the other. For whatever reason, it is not what this board was designed around nor it's intent.
Not all opinions are equally valid my friend, but they have an equal right to be heard rather than be silenced.
That is what this place is all about.
The ones with a problem? are those that can't handle what they don't want to hear.
Tough.
The turning point in American popular discourse was the "birther" movement, and the way this nonsense was embraced by up to 2/3 of the base of the Republican Party at one point. Ever since then , mid 2009 or so, public discourse in America has been in the toilet. It also very much corresponds with the advent of social media as a force in daily American life. Neither twitter or facebook were squat prior to that time. The prevalence of nonsense very much winds up on discussion forums like this. We see it every day. People who want to accept that and say, let's have a group hug, as a response to the nonsense, have that right.And others have a right to say otherwise. On NT, Perrie has tried to mix and match a 'political' forum, with a coffee klatch or quilting bee, with an 'animal house'.
To say the results are 'mixed' would be an understatement, I would think.
It will work itself out I suspect. the original reason this worked so well is everyone saw the need to be civil and respectful of the other around the board.
Recently over the last few years we have seen a decrease in people who feel the need to be respectful of others. what that engenders is a forum that is less free because to get a handle on the craziness you need more rules and less ability to play.
That happens on all boards that are growing, this one is no different. And make no mistake, this one is growing.
Mixed results maybe, but change is coming. some will like it, some will not. but we all know it has to be.
Opinions are not necessarily based on facts on REALITY!
I could opine that 2 + 2 = minus 25 and that would be INCORRECT. I for one invariably "detail the whole thing," repudiate sources for bad information, detail the reasons why, cite histories of presenting misinformation as "fact" and often cite court cases to show where a bad source has been legally repudiated!
I may often take positions consistent with " liberal secular progressive" ideology, but never summarily nor absent specifics. AND I WILL SOMETIMES TAKE A POSITION NOT CONSISTENT with progressive thinking.
And I apologize when I have erred and been corrected.
And I take pride in being able to openly disagree -- even vehemently with some on these boards -- AND REMAIN FRIENDS WITH THOSE WITH WHOM I DISAGREE!
And that is where all the angst comes from. Some want a liberal echo chamber, some want a conservative one. What we have is neither and that makes some people very unhappy.
It does seem that, unless you post something like "So in so (pick your politician) is a lying scumbag" people don't want to hear it. They don't want discussion, they want fights. They want a carnival side show.