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Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene had $183,504 in PPP loans forgiven.
Acyn
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Greene: For our government just to say ok your debt is completely forgiven.. it’s completely unfair
There may be an argument to be made against the student loan forgiveness program, but it cant be made by the likes of MTG and Matt Gaetz.
MTG would have a difficult time making the argument that 2+2=4.
However the PPP loan comparison should be avoided.
In order for a PPP loan to be forgiven, you had to demonstrate that the money was spent saving the jobs of your sub $100k working class employees.
Student loans are being forgiven on the backs of working-class employees.
Did Greene and Gaetz ask for their PPP loans to be forgiven? Will Greene and Gaetz apply to have their PPP loans forgiven?
Biden's student loan forgiveness is an appeal to greed and not based upon principles. Biden is assuming that people are motivated by base instincts rather than by any consideration of right/wrong. Biden is handing out dog treats to people who think like dogs.
Were they forced to apply for, then accept the money?
Did they, like everyone else, have employees they needed to maintain for fear of losing them if they weren't paid? Why yes. Yes they did.......................That was the point of the program
I'm not aware of anyone being forced to apply for PPP loans. But obviously PPP loans weren't intended to be free money, either.
What is amazing is how easily liberals abandon collective ideas. Repaying PPP loans replenishes the program for future needs by others. Simply taking the money and running denies others resources they might need. That's a 'good for me, too bad for you' attitude.
How did Gaetz get the 'loans' when he is only a stake holder.
What employees did Gaetz and Greene have who wouldn't get paid? Their Congressional staffers? No, no they didn't.
Gaetz and Greene took the money and ran. They could have repaid it, but they didn't. Never put it past reactionaries to display a 'good for me, too bad for you' attitude.
It more than likely was companies they have interest in and in the wisdom of liberals, they would be a nice scapegoat for said companies taking of the loans with Gaetz and MTG as the boogie wo/man
And you don't think that staff were affected?
They own businesses. How else do you think they qualified? It's pretty obvious.
What business does Gaetz own? On his disclosures it only lists property and stocks. Him owning stakes in a company should not make him the one that gets loans.
If he has personal staff that he pays, then he could qualify.
Are you even aware of how insanely hypocritical your reply is?
So, Biden wants liberals to be like Greene and Gaetz? You're arguing that Biden is trying to be a bigger grifter than Greene and Gaetz. And Biden did just make a lot of people with PPP loans just like Greene and Gaetz according to your argument. Biden turned Greene and Gaetz into the model for PPP loans. That's what you're arguing.
To hell with the future of the PPP loan program. Biden wants everyone to be just like Greene and Gaetz. And Biden wants it now.
Bingo
I assume he owns a business. Either way he has employees. That's how he qualified for forgiveness, he paid the required percentage in wages.
That's all today's republicans are doing like Gaetz and Taylor-Greene, grifting their supporters for every penny they can grift
Doesn't read like he owns a business to me.
If that is how he got the loans, the program was flawed.
What? Another government program that was flawed? Bite your tongue....
Ha. I have actually said that from the beginning. When the wealthy were getting all the loans while the mom and pop shops were left in the cold.
Alot of mom and pops got 'em as well they just didn't have the resources that larger companies did to keep keeping on...
Why?
The program was designed to protect people who work for small employers. In order to get the loan, you had to show payroll documentation on your employees. In order to get the loans forgiven, you had to show documentation that you paid their wages.
Sorry but I see a difference in a shop owner having a bunch of employees and some wealthy congressman with personal assistants.
Can you also see the difference between student loan forgiveness and the PPP?
Can you see the idiocy of comparing the two?
I see both as calling on the government to help.
Pretty much a non-answer there!
Uh huh. Of course they are not exactly the same things yet they are both government programs made to give relief. I could be nitpicky and say people had different kinds of loans yet still the fact remains they are governments programs designed to bail people out.
One program was designed to not be repaid in large part while the other was not originally.
One had Congressional approval and one did not.
For one, the legality was never in question, while the other is in question.
One was intended to keep people employed while the other is just bailing people out of their legal debt.
Exactly, on the one hand, Congress voted to appropriate the funds, on the other, the President decreed it by fiat.
You can bark about your reasons all you want.
Funny though you never once asked me if I was for the program or against it.
So I am going to take it as that you see me as Liberal so I am automatically for it.
And in the wisdom of conservatives... oh wait... at least that was good for a laugh...
Silly response noted.
You are correct. Nor did I assume you were for or against it.
You do as you wish, but absolutely nothing I have written to you in this thread warrants such a sentiment from you.
Were these Congressional personnel assistants or employees of business owned by Congress members.
What? I am not even the one that suggested that. My point was who would he have to pay when on his disclosure forms he only owns stock in a couple of business. Last I thought, stock holders don't do payroll.
Nope, I didn't argue any of that.
Gaetz and Greene are elitists who took large sums of money that they could have repaid. The student loan forgiveness program only involves $10,000, and $20,000 for Pell Grant recipients. The majority of those who will benefit have household incomes of less than $75,000 per year. No comparison whatsoever.
There is one thing we agree on though, Greene and Gaetz are most definitely grifters.
Of course you did by using Greene and Gaetz as models for comparison.
Pell grants are not loans. Pell grants don't need to be repaid. If the education paid for with loans does not provide the means to repay those loans then what is the value of that education?
Seems like students have been deliberately misinformed.
With a stroke of a pen Biden just made people with unpaid student loans just like Greene and Gaetz. Biden put them all on the same wagon. That's your argument and not mine.
Well, his maid, cook and au pair still had rent to pay, but they were prohibited from working during the early lockdown days.
You may not like who they work for, but they had to eat, too.
They're not anywhere close to the same things.
That math doesn't work out like you think it does.
Correct. The majority of PPP money did actually go to people with household incomes less than $75k.
Imagine thinking the PPP program passed by Congress and Biden's unilateral loan forgiveness are remotely comparable.
This might be the dumbest attempted deflection ever.
One is legal, one is not.
One was an emergency program designed to alleviate the effects of the government shutting down businesses during a once in a century pandemic. One has existed for generations.
One solved an emergency situation. One did nothing but give money to voters and made no attempt to solve the underlying problem
One was designed by Congress to be forgiven. One was not.
One required the recipient to give a significant percentage to others to be forgiven. One did not.
And on and on...
Did Marjorie Greene and Gaetz pay back their "loans?"
Apparently not. They have zero right to complain about other people not paying back loans. Period, end of story.
Why would they? The program was designed as a grant.
hey have zero right to complain about other people not paying back loans.
Are they attacking people for accepting forgiveness? Seems to me they are criticizing the Biden for an illegal act, that solves no problems and will cost up to a trillion dollars. PPP was an emergency program designed to relieve pressure on state unemployment systems by using employers as middlemen in the middle of a shutdown caused by a once a century pandemic. They are not remotely similar.
For your point to make sense on even a surface level, they'd have to be attacking borrowers who accept forgiveness, rather than Joe Biden for illegally offering it.
Some folks insist on comparing apples to tennis balls.
And all the info still readily available on the SBA website...
Yes, it is, and it EXPLAINS how the PPP is basically a grant for qualifying borrowers.
Comparing the PPP to forgiving college loan debt is seriously fucked up as they are nothing alike.
From the SBA:
Recipients of the PPP loans can qualify to have their debt forgiven if within 8 or 24 weeks they use at least 60% of the funds for payroll costs, with the rest eligible to be spent on eligible business mortgage interest payments, business rent or lease payments, and business utility payments.
Might?
I'm sure it could look that way....provided you had absolutely no idea how PPP worked.
Seems like lots of folks are ignorant about the PPP and are confusing it with Biden forgiving student loan debts.
Serena Williams won her first round match in what is widely expected to be her last professional tennis tournament. She was honored with video tributes and flowery speeches after the match , since most experts think she will lose her next match in the Open, which will be against the #2 ranked player in the world this year.
This might be a nice time to check out the movie King Richard, which is the story of how the Williams sisters became tennis prodigies under the stern demands of their father (and mother).
i can say things local. In Jackson the water is collapsing. An old system that is broken down and now thousands of people are out of water.
The governor constantly says that the state is flush with cash yet they cannot even maintain or built a new water plant.
Waiting for the feds to foot the bill probably.
I wouldn't doubt it. Our governor having his hand out while complaining about the feds at the same time.
He has the nickname of tatertot.
I saw that on the news today. I feel bad for the people of Jackson
About 150k people without water.
Christians insist that "In God We Trust" is not Christian.
Oddly the TX legislature felt it necessary to pass a law explicitly allowing properly framed posters of
"In God We Trust" to be accepted and displayed by all TX schools.
Even more oddly a mobile phone company, Patriot Mobile owned by "rw conservative Christians"
then started donating said posters to various North Texas school district which were required
by law to accept and display them.
But when similar posters written in Arabic were presented to the school board they declined, in essence breaking the law.
Southlake schools rejects ‘In God We Trust’ signs featuring rainbows, Arabic (msn.com)
I assume the god fearing people of that school district will be granted some sort of exemption to the law.
I have to laugh when people say it is not religious as it encompasses all religions....
Another local...
Four MS Coast restaurants fail health inspections, two with bugs or rodents present
Ugh. I can say I have never eaten at the ones listed.
To be "fair" to Mississippi, the same thing happens all over the country from time to time.
Believe it or not I am certified for restaurant management.
Interesting.
It's not that hard really. Just go through the Serv Safe program. Mostly common sense.
I have a certificate...Haha
ergo, you are an expert witness, a Master perhaps, lol.
I don't eat there very often but the one thing I like about the Waffle house is you can see them make your food.
I remember 50-40 years ago it was always where the homeless spent their days
and the men and women behind the counter wore hair nets and smoked while they
cooked...
and the popo stopped in like clockwork for their free coffee.
Ha. A year or so ago I was at one in Jackson and several cops came in and sat at the counter.
How everything went downhill on Day 6:
Joe Biden just called for a complete ban of assault rifles in the U.S.
My son has a Bachelor's and a Master's degree and is now enjoying a highly successful career. He paid off his student loans. My daughter has a Bachelor's and TWO Master's degrees and is now enjoying a highly successful career. Can they have their repayments refunded to them, you know just to be fair to them?
Psychopathic lunatic loser Rudy Giuliani calls Donald Trump "the most charismatic" politician in American history and the voice of the Republican Party.
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Conservative podcaster Steve Bannon on Tuesday agreed with former President Donald Trump's plan to retake the White House by nullifying President Joe Biden 's 2020 win with a "new election."
"We're never giving up," Bannon told Rudy Giuliani on his War Room: Pandemic podcast. "Trump put up last night that, hey, because of the Hunter [ Biden ] situation, because the FBI guy either getting fired or quitting, because of Facebook saying the FBI told them not to do it that he wants -- that he won and he wants another election immediately."
Giuliani reacted with a loud cackle.
Bannon said that Trump will take power because 2020 electors cannot be certified for Biden -- even though the electors were legally certified before the president's inauguration.
"You're going to not be able to certify the Biden electors and by not certifying the Biden electors, the Electoral Count Act of 1887 and our beloved Constitution have a way that what's supposed to happen," he opined. "That is a contingent election where you vote by state party delegation. And guess what? Even with Liz Cheney of Wyoming voting for the Democrats, I think we still win 26-24."
"So let's do it," the podcaster added. "Let's start the contingent election this week. Let's do it. That's what we should do. And, MSNBC, suck on that."
These dipshits believe if not for not enough attention paid to Hunter Biden Trump would have won the election.
Tens of thousands of Republican voters in Georgia voted for all the GOP candidates in 2020 except Trump. They left the line for president on the ballot blank.
Does that sound like people who were looking for a reason to vote for Trump again?
They left PotUS blank. Meaning they couldn't vote for Mr. Biden either......................
And it wasn't just Georgia.......................
It's going to be a lot different with neither on the ballot.
Only Biden's performance will be on it
That must be why Ms Palin lost ... yikes! /s
Which should illustrate just how weak a candidate Trump was in 2020. He could not even beat an aged Biden with all of Biden's flaws and his less-than-stellar prior attempts at the presidency.
And then, top it off with Trump's Big Lie con job after his loss. One would expect that would be the clincher for the GoP to align behind a different leader.
Yet even today, the GoP continues to sell its soul to Trump. Who could have predicted this?
Don't get too excited. That was a special election to fill a seat until January, when the real election will be held. All three candidates are on the ballot again this November to run for the next term. That's when most people show up to vote.
Trump posted this on his truth social a few minutes ago -
AT A GLANCE
Oh ye of little faith..