The Unraveling Of America
The comments you see below were made as a direct response , on a political news website, to the Tucker Carlson show Monday night , in which Carlson claimed that Jan 6 was peaceful, that the Democrats , Cheney and Kinzinger are liars, and that Ashley Babbitt was murdered.
It is time to fly the American flag upside down as a sign of distress. I wish I could say this utter abuse of the power of the media to deceive the American people would be met with resistance by the sheep who want it all to go away, but this is only the beginning
How may people were in on the January 6 'insurrection' lies? Attorney General Merrick Garland had to know about the lies. FBI Director Christopher Wray had to know they were lies. -
Was Ashley Babbitt set up to be murdered? There were 2 police officers standing next to her. -
Imagine finding out that everything the Jan 6th committee “discovered “ was a lie…. Shocking indeed. I hope Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger are proud that they were used so well. -
Pelosi's hand selected show trial was an exercise in lies, propaganda, and censorship. Everything the Communist pigs in the Democrat Party do is an exercise in lies, propaganda, and censorship. -
Trouble! Wait don’t run,
trouble can be lots of fun.
Pop a matic pops the dice,
Pop a six and you move twice.
Race your men around the track,
and try to send the others back
Trouble was cheesy parcheesi, yet it runs circles around Cheney and Kinflinger’s gay Nazi parade - Trans Commie Show Trial.
God help America.
Rewrite?!? The video recordings don't lie. In the least they show another side of the story. One that you and the media didn't and don't want shown.
Somehow I knew you and a couple others would be out in force this morning with "nuh uh they are lying". It isn't like NBC acquired the videos and gave them a Zimmerman treatment.
It isn't what you were led to nor wanted to believe. THAT makes no goddamned sense what so fucking ever. SOP
I see, in true form, you didn't watch the videos that were shown. If you had, you'd have seen that scary Shaman being guided on a tour of the building with cops even attempting to open some locked doors for him. Two and three cops with a perfect opportunity to waltz his ass to jail.
Don't worry, you can catch some tonight.
The "shaman" has his scary face in jail/prison. So, what do you think? The courts where propaganda goes to die 'found something' Tucker can't discover in the tapes? Also, Tucker Carlson is a January 6 denier, and a proven provocateur. CEO of Fox News has stated it in so many words. That is, Tucker Carlson is a damn liar. One has to wonder (and you should) why he is still allowed entry into Fox News to 'pillage' the hearts and minds of FOX News viewers.
He was coerced into a confession looking at the same shit the J6 scummittee did and NOT the present revelations. Even though he knew he shouldn't be in the place (which is about the only thing he did wrong) he figured they had a lot more than they did. Probably foolish enough to think they would lighten any punishment if he confessed.
Perhaps you will be okay with supplying a quick and dirty listing of these "present revelations" offered up by Tucker Carlson, the tv-show personality called out by his own franchise-player boss as a bad-faith "endorser" of Trump's myth of a stolen election. Do provide us a good enough reason for why we should find Tucker's opinion/alternative rationale more credible than a court of law in the Shaman's trial and Rupert's disposition on this matter.
Did you not watch the action live while it happened? I caught some of it and to was it was disturbing is....
C'mon, JIm!
Jim..just stop. You're embarrassing yourself
You seem to forget that many of us watched the events of 1-6 unfold live.
From the incendiary speeches to the physical insurrection itself.
The fact that the riot was premeditated is not in doubt.
The communiques between far-right wing groups are smoking guns.
Joe Walsh
@WalshFreedom
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2h
What we know:
1.
@TuckerCarlson
is lying about Jan 6th.
2. His audience will believe his lies.
3. Other right wing talkers will spread his lies.
4. 40% or so of Americans will doubt the truth of Jan 6th.
5. The divide in America will harden.
6. There will be more violence.
What we know.
You have read the comments in this seed haven't you?
i think so
Damn shame that my old friend and fellow musician has to share a name with a fascist.
The Lincoln Project
@ProjectLincoln
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Mar 5
Tucker Carlson himself is peddling lies about January 6th. He’s not a journalist, he’s the headmaster of the conspiracy theory cosplay group of QAnon nutcases to radicalize the base.
@TaraSetmayer
nails it on
@MSNBC
People on Twitter claim Babbitt was murdered, the entire left wing media and democrats in congress (including during trumps impeachment) claimed officer sicknick was murdered. These things are not the same.
What do you say happened to Babbitt and Officer Sicknick (capitalized)? Forget about politics for the duration of this 'answer'! Hope this is more than a 'hasty' drive-by comment drop!
Babbitt was shot by a LEO, sicknick died of natural causes.
They just can't get around the truth
The hyper-partisan will always declare their version is the truth and deny everything else by calling the other side names. Now that more footage is getting out we will see more of the pieces which will allow the people to determine for themselves.
As will you. Only at a much higher level of denial.
Some conservatives' 'aim' is too narrow, Sean. That 'aim' is indicative of just how partisan some conservatives are. Can't see the forest anymore; just the 'belly button' of a single select tree.
And that comment is indicative of why liberals can't/won't take any of some conservatives serious, y'all have nothing more than a stated and hidden agenda (which liberals can discern from a 'mile' away.)
It is called propaganda. Just repeat the lie over and over. Well the counter to that is just repeat the truth over and over as needed. It is sad that Fox News is caught by its own CEO/Founder-the one man in this world who has the greatest love of all for his creation: Fox News. And still, the Trump/MAGAns persist in lying and delusion when the network's owner won't do the same. It's disheartening. But, we will get over it—we have no choice.
Don't you think if it did it would have been plastered all over the media and whoever sprayed the chemical would have been arrested and tried for at least manslaughter. Funny the autopsy never stated anything to do with any chemical or anything else except natural causes.
The coroner said he died of a stroke. But you know people on this site know better
If you are going to stick with a talking point about Sicknick's death, then can we ask you to be consistent that Ashli Babbitt died from a gunshot wound when she was caught/warned/continued her onslaught of the capitol chamber where members of congress were hunkered down and secured by capitol officials/police?
What are you sticking with?
Sean Treacy.
Sicknick death ruled 'natural' but experts say stress can set off strokes | CNN
Of course, some conservatives are friends of policing agencies until it is convenient that they are not! It is evident that Tucker Carlson does not value Officer Sicknick's life and death as many of us do:
New footage from the U.S. Capitol building on Jan. 6, 2021 shows Capitol Police officer Brian Sicknick walking around the complex after Democrats and the media claimed he was brutally murdered. The clips aired on Monday’s edition of “Tucker Carlson Tonight” and were reportedly viewed previously by “investigators working for the Democratic Party,” according to Carlson.
Sicknick’s Jan. 7 death was immediately exploited by the left. The New York Times reported directly that Sicknick died—according to the paper’s headline—“From Injuries in Pro-Trump Rampage.” One month later, the Times quietly corrected its reporting.
J6 Tapes Show Brian Sicknick Walking Around After Confrontation (thefederalist.com)
That may have been the big lie!
What is to say Sicknick didn't have cumulative job stress? After all he was a part handling of the Summer of Love riots as well. I am sure that helped out his stress levels greatly./S
The story has gone from the New York Times reporting he was beaten to death with fire extinguishers to Clinging to the possibility that stress “can” cause strokes.
There were, of course, no charges related to his death.
You believe the coroner’s report is talking point?
I believe you know how questions take form, so I reposted the question again for you. Hopefully, this time you won't try a stock answer as a way of avoiding stating clearly whether or not you are going to acknowledge Ashli Babbitt lost her life by trespassing and not following the calls/directions of capitol police and officials.
I believe causality, life experience, and common sense informs us that a person who is violently assaulted and who has fought for hours the day before can have a heart attack. Do you believe in causality, life experience, and common sense?
I doo wish you would make up your mind. Maybe you can compile a list of the big lies for this Thursdays article?
Meanwhile on planet earth, anyone who has had realtives who were police officers knows that they have higher incidence of stress, higher blood pressure and higher risk for heart disease and strokes as a result of their career choice.
Serious Health Risks Among Police Officers Due To Stress (medicalnewstoday.com)
Impact Of Stress On Police Officers' Physical And Mental Health -- ScienceDaily
STRESS AND ITS IMPACT ON THE LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER | Office of Justice Programs (ojp.gov)
Chronic stress can cause heart trouble | American Heart Association
Can Stress Cause a Heart Attack? What the Research Shows (healthline.com)
Can Stress Cause a Stroke? – Cleveland Clinic
Several of these are older but not any less relevant.
Stress triggers heart attacks, high blood pressure and PTSD.
It's undeniable.
Could a small brain bleed have started because of the pressure/stress or maybe from the jostling and being hit in the helmet a few times. Of course. The possibilities of the adrenaline load and stress could have masked his initial problems until he collapsed.
The cause and effect are pretty obvious to most people, that had there been no riot or had he not been on duty that day, he would still be with us, maybe.
Agreed. See 6.1.25.
Absolutely no stress being a cop/S
Absolutely no stress being in a riot/s
Absolutely no stress being attacked by fellow citizens decked out in Red White & Blue attacking you with the Stars & Stripes and fire extinguishers and pepper spray/s
Absolutely no stress in not being allowed to protect yourself with your firearm/S
Just another day at work /S
Sicnic had a slow stroke and dies.
Fanone survived his beating and his heart attack.
Both lost their jobs /s
I suspect several others had heart trouble and stress related illness as well
but they would rather keep it to themselves instead of loose their jobs or their manliness.
Full of shit is full of shit. The Department can claim anything it wants; even if it is a lie. The media and Democrats are eating it up because it backs their BS spin.
So you caught on finally.
There's the partisanship we have come to expect. As compare to people dressed all in black with masks on using Molotov cocktails, concrete milkshakes, fireworks, barb wired baseball bats and shields, clubs, knives, bricks, and whatever else Antifa/BLM could lay their hands on. Having squad cars burned and private and federal property marred and destroyed. The "Summer of Love" riots lasted a hell of lot longer than the Jan 6th riot; but the Jan 6th riot was special because it involved those on the right!/S
Whose fucking fault was that? Which political leaders were more concerned with optics than actually defending the capitol? Which leaders only had 150 unarmed National Guard assigned away from the Capitol doing crowd control? Which leaders learned jack shit of nothing from the "Summer of Love" riots about defending the Capitol?
As was every day during the "Summer of Love" riots.
He died of a stroke, period. Stop trying to spin it as if Jan 6th was the sum total cause.
Ooookkkkaaayyyyy...there were some "peaceful" moments caught on tape....but what about the battered cops? The broken windows? Shit in the fucking hallways???????
Who was the POTUS and where was he?
What was he doing?
You think they aren't prepared for men in black with masks?
You don't think it was worse being attacked by people that looked like you who thought they were doing a patriotic thing?
Oh the conundrum...middle aged white men attacking mostly white police officers./S
Isn't that more like irony than sarcasm? lol
I agreed that it was accumulative for goodness sake.
Did you write that with a straight face?
How Ironic.../S
And within the narrow confines of this word, "maybe" is where some conservatives have set up housekeeping related to Mr. Sicknick. Maybe he died because of poor health, maybe heart disease, maybe an unknown medical condition, maybe an addiction, maybe deep and abiding anxiety, maybe early onset of old age, shall we continue with the possibilities?
What we know without a doubt before his death, Officer Sicknick fought valiantly for hours on the day he was violently assaulted. This is reported to us by the Capitol Chief Thomas Manger. It's fact and not a cadre/world of alternative maybes!
And you are not "eating it up" why? Are you Capitol Police Chief Manger a liar/full of shit? What about the supposed loyalty to "the shield"/"the boys in blue" that is jingoistically spoken by some conservatives?
If you are willing to call out as liars the people who serve to protect our government officials in the performance of their duties, why should we believe anything you write on this subject without providing evidence? Some conservatives could be providing talking points/opinions delivered from Tucker Carlson's mouth to conservative ears. And I can confidently tell you this, Tucker Carlson is no more a journalist with professional integrity than I am one.
Believe the Capitol Police that have the files, the location, and a reason to want to get to the bottom of this tragedy.
No maybe to the DC medical examiner. Brian Sicknick died following two strokes on 7 Jan. The strokes were due to a basilar artery blood clot, which caused damage to his brainstem and cerebellum.[
And there is the 'unspoken' rub. These middle aged white men were given the benefit of the doubt by capitol police that they would not flagrantly attack the Capitol, simply because. . .well. . . they are responsible, disciplined, flag-waving, models of decency. So the capitol left itself open to the public because it 'trusted' in the good will and good sense of those rushing towards onto its campuses.
Those men failed on two accounts: 1. They attacked the Capitol itself. 2. They attacked law enforcement and beat the living 'daylights' out of the "boys in blue."
From this experience, capitol police have learned a valuable lesson: Never extend trust to middle-aged white en-mass again!
Capitol Police Chief Manger read the medical reports and all the context that report was based upon. Some conservatives are here making light of the situation, the family understanding of the facts, the capitol police understanding of the facts, and all around acting to dumb down and diminish Officer Sicknick's, a "boy in blue" death.
Who has done that?
Racist and ageist, all in such a short sentence.
What a model of efficiency.
Certain proof some conservatives are hear for the 20 percent negativity and none of the 80 percent positivity that we all can appreciate. I hope you are not making light of this.
This conservative appreciates 90 - 100 proof positively.
Recently you told this group you were definitely not a conservative/republican; but in this comment you state you are CONSERVATIVE. Can you be clear?
Drinker of the Wry are you a Conservative, Liberal, Republican, Democrat, and/or Independent?
No, I might have said that I'm not a Republican. I'm more or less a traditional conservative, fiscally, internationally, limited government, limited laws etc. In today's vernacular, I might be called a moderate and a liberal on social issues.
Are we clear? Are WE Clear!
Yes, thank you for the clarification. You are a "traditional" conservative. Mark. (A 'dying' breed in today's republican party!) You are not a republican.
Your comment has an interesting "clause" in it:
I'm more or less a traditional conservative, fiscally, internationally, limited government, limited laws
"Limited laws". . . would that be a version of less laws for conservatives and more laws against liberals?
It is when we consider what is playing out in the MAGA conservative realm of politics. (Rhetorical.)
No, I'm more plain spoken, limited or less means just that and it doesn't matter what is is.
The PoTUS isn't responsible for DC security, period. As for where he was- his Secret Service detail hauled his ass out of there to keep him safe. If you followed the Jan 6th Committee investigation against Trump's will at that.
Watching it on tv like everyone else. What was he supposed to be doing? They won't let him go back to the Capitol.
Obviously not. Otherwise there wouldn't have nearly been as much damage to the Capitol as the "Summer of Love" riots caused. But Bowser painted Black Lives Matter on the streets surrounding the White House; so I am sure that made everything OK in leftist land.
Turn in your race card right fucking now! I swear the racist shit leftists say. A simple damn search shows the DC police force is majority black- by close to 500 members! If you add in Asian and Hispanic that puts it over 1,000 non white members! I am sure the mostly minority DC police force loved being attacked by their own during the "Summer of Love" riots. I am especially sure they loved being attacked by people that wanted them dead; or gone! Forgetting the whole "defund the police" movement by Democrats and leftists?
Yes. Just as I am sure you did when trying to again deflect it back to Jan 6th riot.
Yes, I thought so to- which is why I made the statement. See we can agree on something- your partisanship being ironic.
Great! I will certainly hold you to this ideology in your future comments!
Oh my.
I hope you're not considering your little display of rampaging racism to be "positivity".
No no no. You don't understand.
It's only racist if you say it.
Do you see how this works?
Yes. Exactly.
Nooooowww you're getting it.
Jack_TX, some conservatives can consider me anything they wish and it will not make it so. I think white people are some of the most interesting, beautiful, smart, certainly ambitious people on this planet and I have thought this since I was a little boy, and white men would come to our house as salesmen (back in the day) and always, always, they would have one hand in a pants pocket with coins in it and they would 'jingle' the coins. My eyes would get big as 'saucers.'
Concurrently to that last, black men could not go 'door to door' to white neighborhoods (back in the day) and sale them. . . $hit. It was the essence of a double-standard. Black people did not mind the "presence" of whites in our homes sitting on our couches and selling us or talking to us about . . . whatever it was they wanted to involve us in to acquiring.
I almost married a white man and he is the story of my life! Even today, he is in my memory as many of my password accounts are a 'tribute' to his memory. So you can project and repeat propaganda about me (and race) all you want it won't change how I feel about the 20 percent negativity some conservatives achieve here daily and the lack of assenting the 80 percent positivity between "us."
BTW, as far as I know I am the black person acknowledged here-in this online community-who has make virtual friendships with people known by me to be. . . wait for it. . .White people. So your claim of me displaying "rampaging racism" is at best projection, at worse misguided.
I can be your virtual friend too if/when you decide to respect me/others who can respect you as a conservative not demanding liberals be. . . "You."
Do not project onto me and don't be let yourself be misguided.
I said nothing about you. Your post was the most racist thing I've read on NT in a while.
You can't gaslight me, Jack_TX. That's all. If my comment is racist than some conservatives probably should get out of the bubble more often. It's a big, nasty, daring, disgusting, world out there. And for the record, I am my post! I thought you knew this by now. I don't come here to spout ideology for its own sake!
Let's return to this one again. Such unmitigating bull. I recommend some conservatives STOP selecting chopping other people comments up into poor quality pieces, especially when leaving off message contexts. Here is a repeat opportunity for you to reread my message (in its full context):
There is no "if". It's racist. Your excuses don't change that.
If I had said that about black men, it would have been deleted.... right after 20 liberal heads exploded in unison.
If you would like the world to be less racist, start by being less racist. It's quite simple, actually.
I do not have/never did/never will probably, equip myself or associate myself with any ideology that suppresses white people or conservatives-I am pretty sure some conservatives can't say or write the same!
You can't change reality with gaslighting or by grievance inversion. Believe whatever you want. You say plenty about black men/women/children in myriad ways diminishing as some conservative are prone to doing, and as a some conservative associate you do more then any black person (or liberal) can do in the opposite direction.
Jack_TX, we're all thinking people here. It should not be a surprise! We all know what bull $hit looks like, walks like, talks like, and some of us even get heaps of bull $hit heaved in our faces just for 'being.' Miss me with another helping 'hand' full. My bull $hit 'pot' is full to its brink.
I can't/won't be gaslighted by you, Jack_TX and I do not accept your grievance against me.
One last thing: If/when a black, homosexual, man born under (some) white male oppression and suppression can't tell some conservatives they are full of $hit for trying to eliminate our upward motivation and ability to live as liberals without constant conservative interruptions up and down the line and repression, that truly will be the day some conservatives have 'won' their motivational agendized so called, "culture wars."
Some conservatives have done worse than say it and write it too! Some conservatives on both sides of history and the present have acted to make black people's lives miserable, poor, uneven, unstable, and a mockery. Now, its done under a guise/mask of so-called, demonization of 'everything' liberal. And even worse, some conservatives are gearing up with a conservative court system to try to $hit can and re-stigmatize the LGBTQ community (even as this nation continues to take whatever monies it can/when it can/from them/us. And everyone can see what being done to girls and women as some conservative sic their girls and women on the liberal female way of life.
So you're retracting your earlier comment? If so, fair enough. Well done.
Citation?
Who is oppressing you CB? Who is suppressing you? Who is attempting to eliminate your "upward motivation" (whatever that is)?
Do tell. Be specific.
I presume you don't hesitate to identify those comments as racist.
What is being done? Be specific.
You seem to be operating under the impression that conservative women are not in charge.
I don't have to indulge your pretense. It is kind of pathetic that you wish for me to comb through comments looking for nuanced comments (which some conservatives always deny is their real intent), when you know what you are about all (here) all along.
I will just do my best to point it out going forward in 'real time.'
Who is oppressing me? A black man/homosexual man? Some conservatives. Are you one of them? If you don't fully understand republicanism and conservatism in this country as it is today; perhaps, you should not just sign on to/for it. Additionally, let's add women to list of repressed citizens in the some conservative worldview!
This. . . comment. . .is meaningless 'fluff.' I suggest you "hug a liberal," at least one, everyday going forward!
What pretense is that, CB?
Oh, so this is one of those things you do where you pretend people must have meant something they never said. Got it.
So we'll go ahead and confirm that you cannot produce any such comments because they do not exist anywhere outside your imagination. Excellent.
Name them. Why do you continue to protect these supposed villains?
Does expecting you to post moderately coherent, reality-based statements count as "oppression"?
You've never actually met a conservative woman IRL, have you?
We'll see, since I am not going 'backward' with you (or the other some conservatives here who toss out/but don't stand behind the $hit being spread around on everything like dust.). But hope springs eternal, because I can always highlight those comments in real time the next time some conservatives (including you) write them!
I have about as much respect for some conservative women as I do for some conservative men when they play suppression games with other people's rights and freedoms. Oh yeah, liberals have rights and freedoms too and they are the same as conservative rights and freedoms or more. I thought you knew!
As to the rest of your comment, blah, blah, blah, and meh. If it's verbal jousting you wish; find you somebody new.
Just treat Tucker Carlson like a dodgy black man and he would be 'gone' from the airways in a hot sec. And on his own merit as a white man, Tucker Carlson is dodgy, but he gets to play games with the country, because he has value-misplaced though it be.
Tucker Carlson should not have a job! 'Working' to take down the government and gravely divide the country used to mean getting a visit from the proper authorities. Aligning oneself with political subterfuge designed to split the union apart used to mean a date with the proper authorities. Apparently when one is white s/he can have a seat in the house of the people; deliberately lie, and talk about 'whiteness' and conservatism as though people of color and liberalism are yet slaves to the slandering of their good names!
Tucker Carlson should not have a job speaking to the people of this country at all, let alone receiving documents from the House of Representatives Speaker!
Right now there is too much talk going on. Not enough outrage! If this was a black 'fake' journalist in the face of the public. . . the "show" would be over and done. Ticket punched already!
We are to believe the words of a proven liar? Fox, Carlson, et al keep playing the pipe and the sheeple continue to blindly follow.
This from the same stupid fuckers who said Hunters laptop was Russian disinformation or Coronavirus was from a bat having sex with a Pangolin, [deleted]
Why are conservatives acting like we didn't know that some Capitol Police Officers were complicit with the invasion of the Capitol? It was announced that there would be investigations into the Capitol Police after Jan. 6th - some were reprimanded, some were fired and at least one was charged with obstruction. It was all over the news at the time, so no, it's surprising at all that some complicit Capitol Police Officers would escort Q-Shaman and others around the building.
Did Garland release the tapes to the defense teams including the QAnon Shaman? If not that is obstruction of justice- mistrials everywhere.
"Parading" what fucking BS.
If only leftists cared about the laws so damn much to enforce them against their own domestic terrorists and criminals.
You've made a lot of ASSumptions with no substance. If you think that Garland obstructed justice, I have a bridge to sell you in NYC and ocean front property in Nevada. Tucker did his job just by making "the base" angry because that's what Fox is good at is rileing up their fans while lying to them as evidenced by Murdoch's own words under Oath.
Can't defend reality?
You do realize that it is illegal for prosecution to withhold evidence from defense that may benefit the accused correct?
Start calling for all BLM/Antifa domestic terrorist heads to be tried and we can go from there.
Again, you're full of ASSumptions with no substance. None of these videos change the fact that the people prosecuted were prosecuted for a reason. An instance of them being non-violent doesn't negate the violence they did perpetrate. And, I stand by my original comment (in case you've forgotten what it was) which was that we all knew that some of the Capitol Police were complacent with the invasion of the Capitol and that there were investigations of those officers, that some were reprimanded, some were fired and at least one was charged with obstruction so there's no big gotcha there like you people seem to think there was.
BTFW I never defended the summer riots and actually denounced them so you can fuck off with your attempted deflection and strawman, especially in the light of you defending what happened on January 6th.
America unraveled with the inception of Supply Side Economics and its bastard baby Citizens United.
No one was able reravel it in forty years?
You are correct. Not a fail.