Anthony Fauci Goes Off On 'Insanity' of Calls for His Prosecution

File this alongside the idea that they can impeach Joe Biden. 

"Every time somebody gets up and spouts some nonsense that's misinformation, disinformation, and outright lies, somebody somewhere decides they want to do harm to me and or my family."

 It appears that Mr Fauci might be guilty of misinformation, disinformation, and outright lies himself.

 At any rate, his relationship with the Wuhan Virology Institute needs to be investigated, particularly in regards to any financial support for gain-of-function research.

                It appears that Mr Fauci might be guilty ...

of being a partisan mirage.

I'm convinced that the Covid-19 virus has done some real damage to a lot of people's brains, even if they never showed any other symptoms. 

Fauci worked as a loyal member of Trump's covid response team for almost two years, and stood there silently listening to all his "bosses" garbage. He deserves a medal for that, not prosecution. 

Fauci said it is "unacceptable" to take "a political view on a public health problem," and that people should unite against a "common enemy."

Somehow this became a partisan issue and once Fauci was deemed the enemy the uber-partisans began their series of blind attacks.   Everything he did was deemed wrong.   No objectivity, moderation or benefit of the doubt.   One wonders why anyone would want to be in public service given the acerbic and dishonest nature of modern partisan politics.

Somehow

Somehow?   Bullshit, both parties made it partisan from the start.  The Democrats used it to attack Trump and the Republicans used it to attack Democrat governors and teachers unions.  With the partisan split so divided in this country it was doomed from the start to become a partisan issue.  Fauci is being attacked due to his flip-flopping on issues and more recently due to information that is starting to come to light.  Once all the classified documents on Covid are released it will become even more partisan I'm afraid and the voices will get louder.

It was R partisans who engaged in attacks on Fauci.  They targeted him personally.   And they continue to do so even now.

The ‘somehow’ suggests that partisanship seems to infect everything — including attempts to work through a worldwide pandemic.   We used to be able to work together against a common foe (e.g. 9/11).   Nowadays, even a worldwide pandemic cannot pause partisan behavior.

Yes, it was Republicans who attacked Fauci.  Rand Paul was very vocal very early in attacking Fauci.  And yes, partisan fools attack Fauci in a personal way, including his family.  This is nothing that I've argued hasn't happened.  Do you deny that Fauci flip-flopped during the past two years, that he flip-flopped repeatedly on masking for example?

And let's not forget the Democrat partisan attack on Trump early on.  Trump's early attempt to restrict travel of non-citizens coming from China was deemed xenophobic by Democrats when it was first attempted.  

Do you deny that Fauci flip-flopped during the past two years, that he flip-flopped repeatedly on masking for example?

The problem that you do not seem to want to recognize is that when dealing with the bleeding edge of science (e.g. a new virus that is at worldwide pandemic levels), scientists will be operating on sketchy and changing information.   When translating what is known into recommendations —and in Fauci's case also dealing with practical matters of resources, etc.— a position stated on day x will likely not be correct on day x+n.   It is as though partisans insist that Fauci and every other body dealing with the pandemic had to be 100% correct on every count and never update based on recent findings.

That is both unreasonable and utterly stupid.   We want changes in information to be communicated.   We do not want spokespersons who translate the changing understanding of a pandemic to play games to avoid being accused of "flip-flopping" — we want them to modify their recommendations to match the best information available at the time.

And let's not forget the Democrat partisan attack on Trump early on. 

Stay focused.  Of course there are both D and R partisans.   We are talking about attacks on Fauci in this seed.

Do you deny that Fauci flip-flopped during the past two years, that he flip-flopped repeatedly on masking for example?

The problem that you do not seem to want to recognize is that when dealing with the bleeding edge of science (e.g. a new virus that is at worldwide pandemic levels), scientists will be operating on sketchy and changing information.   When translating what is known into recommendations —and in Fauci's case also dealing with practical matters of resources, etc.— a position stated on day x will likely not be correct on day x+n.   It is as though partisans insist that Fauci and every other body dealing with the pandemic had to be 100% correct on every count and never update based on recent findings. That is both unreasonable and utterly stupid.   We want changes in information to be communicated.   We do not want spokespersons who translate the changing understanding of a pandemic to play games to avoid being accused of "flip-flopping" — we want them to modify their recommendations to match the best information available at the time.

Except the science on masking to reduce the spread of germs is established science, ask any first year med student or any nurse.  Fauci provided conflicting information repeatedly on masking.

Not by Democrats in general.

factcheck

• Trump said Democrats “loudly criticized and protested” his announced travel restrictions, and that they “called me a racist because I made that decision.” Trump is overstating Democratic opposition. None of the party’s congressional leaders and none of the Democratic candidates running for president have directly criticized that decision, though at least two Democrats have.

It was an ineffective ban, because it wasn't really a ban.  US citizens who had been in China were allowed to return, and screening/quarantine was not enforced well.  Also, goods were still being shipped from China, by shipping crews who had been in China and were therefore at risk of exposure.

Except the science on masking to reduce the spread of germs is established science, ask any first year med student or any nurse.  Fauci provided conflicting information repeatedly on masking.

The efficacy of a mask depends on the materials and design and in consideration of the particulate matter and payload (i.e. virus) it seeks to inhibit.    You seem to be pretending that there is but one mask design and that it universally works the same for all particulate matter and conditions.

Further, what are you attempting to argue ... that Fauci is a moron who does not even have the knowledge of a first year med student??

The efficacy of a mask depends on the materials and design and in consideration of the particulate matter and payload (i.e. virus) it seeks to inhibit.    You seem to be pretending that there is but one mask design and that it universally works the same for all particulate matter and conditions.

You continue to deny that Fauci repeatedly gave conflicting information on masking while accusing me of something that isn't there in my words.  Well damn...

You continue to deny that Fauci repeatedly gave conflicting information on masking while accusing me of something that isn't there in my word

I have not denied anything.   Pay attention to what I am writing.  I am explaining how information varies in bleeding edge science and especially in a crisis situation like a worldwide pandemic.

gave conflicting information

Actually, he didn't.

Fauci knew that there simply weren't enough masks on hand in the early stages of the pandemic for health care professionals alone much less for the general public. He said so on many occasions. He was justly afraid of mass hoarding of N-95 grade masks and suggested folk double mask with lesser masks.

As N-95 mask production increased, Fauci enthusiastically recommended everybody wear one.

Hardly flip-flopping but that's what Fox called it so that's what foxers did.

So he did give out conflicting information. 

conflicting information

Only the weak minded would not want their information to be up-to-date.

The only constant with COVID has been change and a fast learning curve.

The reason the far right hate Fauci is that he had the balls to stand up to Trump and all of his stupid words and actions over the pandemic.

He, and the rest of the scientific spokespersons around the planet, were revising their recommendations as the pandemic ensued.

Would you prefer they never revise based on new information?

nly the weak minded would not want their information to be up-to-date.

Talking about weak minded. You've gone from claiming he didn't give out conflicting information, to saying he intentionally  gave out conflicting information in order to lessen demand for N95 masks, to saying he changed statements as the underlying information changed.  

Pick a lane. 

He, and the rest of the scientific spokespersons around the planet, were revising their recommendations as the pandemic ensued.

The claim was he didn't give out conflicting information. I'm glad you agree that was false, and have now moved on to justifying those conflicting claims. 

e, and the rest of the scientific spokespersons around the plane

Lol. You read the Fauci emails  planning a political offensive against the lab leak "conspiracy theory" and want to pretend he was just a scientist following the facts. Lol.

I've got a bridge to sell you. 

Fauci is a politician and a bureaucrat covering his ass. Pretending he's anything else is delusional. 

I'm glad you agree that was false, and have now moved on to justifying those conflicting claims. 

I have stated the reality of changing positions based on new information.   There is no justifying reality.   The only justifying would be people like you who apparently have no concept of how science works and need to justify their claims of nefarious intent.

You read the Fauci emails  planning a political offensive against the lab leak "conspiracy theory" and want to pretend he was just a scientist following the facts.

In lieu of an argument, you again resort to false claims.    The lab leak was not deemed a conspiracy theory (at least by me) but rather a logical hypothesis.  Fauci believed that the source was nature;  that was his hypothesis and he gave technical reasons for his position.  

Fauci's job is a fusion of science and politics.   That is the nature of being an intermediary.   Finding a responsible message is part of the job.   The message has to inform without scaring and must deal with the harsh resource realities we were all facing.

A view from afar, although for most of my life America was only an hour's drive away....

I believe America is self-destructing.  The political divide is widening more and more and tearing America apart.  It may well have damaged itself beyond repair, but if not yet, it's bound to happen.

And that's not the ONLY gap that is widening...and it does not bode well. 

Pay attention to what I am writing.

That's rich when you accuse me of something that is not in my words....  

have stated the reality of changing positions based on new information. 

So Fauci's opinion on the efficacy of masks changed. He was lying when he later claimed he downplayed their efficacy d to make sure people didn't hoard masks. 

g would be people like you who apparently have no concept of how science works

Judging from your posts, "science works" by treating scientists as infallible heroes and trying to gaslight others into believing in alternate realties. 

 The lab leak was not deemed a conspiracy theory (at least by me) but rather a logical hypothes

It was absolutely described as a conspiracy theory in the Fauci emails. 

auci believed that the source was nature;  that was his hypothesis and he gave technical reasons for his position.  

Right. Because that's how science works. You start with a conclusion and  try to clear the field of any actual research into the topic by declaring alternate hypotheses conspiracy theories without any basis for doing so.

This is where we get into the Stalinist rewriting of history. It's not that Fauci was wrong. That happens. It's that he declared matters settled that weren't and sat back silently  and watched his left wing allies make all sorts of crazy ass assertions that he had to have known were wrong .  

Finding a responsible message is part of the job.

That is politics, not science. 

He was lying when he later claimed he downplayed their efficacy d to make sure people didn't hoard masks. 

You, like other R partisans, distill a complicated situation into a soundbite and then beat on this ancient soundbite for years in an attempt to turn a molehill into a mountain.  

Setting the record straight, Fauci told ABC News' " Start Here " podcast, "Very early on in the pandemic … there was a shortage of PPE and masks for health care providers who needed them desperately since they were putting their lives and their safety on the line every day. So the feeling was that people who were wanting to have masks in the community, namely just people out in the street, might be hoarding masks and making the shortage of masks even greater. In that context, we said that we did not recommend masks.

In the weeks that followed, Fauci said, "it became clear that they worked. Number two: it became clear that cloth coverings worked as well as surgical masks, so the idea of a shortage of masks that would take it away from those who really need it was no longer there because anybody could get a mask."

Then, as scientists learned more from the data available, Fauci said they learned: "One: that about 40-45% of all the infections were among individuals who had no symptoms, namely asymptomatic infection. No. 2: it became clear that transmissions, a substantial proportion of them, are transmitted by people without symptoms. So then all of a sudden, it became clear that you would not know if you were infected or if the person that you were dealing with was infected. And at that point, it became clear that A: no shortage of masks, B: data now prove that masks work and 3: there clearly is asymptomatic transmission."

"At that point, which is now months and months ago, I have been on the airways, on the radio, on TV, begging people to wear masks. And I keep talking in the context of wear a mask, keep physical distance, avoid crowds, wash your hands and do things more outdoors versus indoors," Fauci said. "The other thing that became clear is, in fact, that there was likely a degree of aerosol transmission which make it even more compelling to wear a mask. So anybody who has been listening to me over the last several months know that a conversation does not go by where I do not strongly recommend that people wear masks."

abcnews.go

Hypocrisy abounds when a Trump supporter alleges lying by others.

Judging from your posts, "science works" by treating scientists as infallible heroes and trying to gaslight others into believing in alternate realties. 

Your judgment then sucks. 

It was absolutely described as a conspiracy theory in the Fauci emails. 

Show me where Fauci claimed that Wuhan lab source (nothing more, just that the Wuhan lab was the epicenter) was a conspiracy theory.    It would be a conspiracy theory to claim that the Wuhan lab intentionally engineered coronavirus as a weapon.

You start with a conclusion and  try to clear the field of any actual research into the topic by declaring alternate hypotheses conspiracy theories without any basis for doing so.

Do you have anything to offer other than these trollish inventions?   Get a clue.

That is politics, not science. 

Are you unaware that Fauci's job is an intermediary who deals with both science and politics?

Hypocrisy abounds when a Trump supporter alleges lying by others.

Lol. A major league deflection. Be sure and tell that to a Trump supporter. 

Simply  say "you are correct" and move on. Fauci either lied  about masks originally, or he lied later about his reasoning regarding his original statement. .  

All your hand waiving and insults won't change that.  

Your judgment then sucks

Maybe, but at least I know enough not to be a fanboy of Fauci.. 

how me where Fauci claimed that Wuhan lab source (nothing more, just that the Wuhan lab was the epicenter) was a conspiracy theory

It was described as one in the emails where Fauci dictated a response be made in favor of the natural organ theory. Remember, when he directed his underlings to write essentially a legal  brief in favor of the natural origin theory?  Where they marshaled their best argument, ignored contrary evidence and declared the matter settled. Don't you recall that? 

o you have anything to offer other than these trollish inventions?   Get a clue

What do you think you offer? All you've been offering  is  unsubstantiated conclusions insults and deflections.

re you unaware that Fauci's job is an intermediary who deals with both science and politics?

. Of course. That's why I called him a politician and a bureaucrat. He's not actually engaged in science.  Odd that someone in such a  political position who made routinely made dishonest partisan statement like Florida doesn't want to get vaccinated despite Florida having a top 20 vaccination rate would declare that he is science. 

Ignoring your trolling.

That's why I called him a politician and a bureaucrat. He's not actually engaged in science.

Fauci is not engaged in science?  

He was an  administrator.    

Dr. Fauci served as NIAID Director from 1984 to 2022.  He oversaw an extensive research portfolio of basic and applied research to prevent, diagnose, and treat established infectious diseases such as HIV/AIDS, respiratory infections, diarrheal diseases, tuberculosis, and malaria as well as emerging diseases such as Ebola, Zika and COVID-19. He also led the NIAID research effort on transplantation and immune-related illnesses, including autoimmune disorders, asthma, and allergies.

Dr. Fauci advised seven Presidents on HIV/AIDS and many other domestic and global health issues. He was one of the principal architects of the President’s Emergency Plan for AIDS Relief (PEPFAR), a program that has saved more than 20 million lives throughout the developing world.

Dr. Fauci was a key advisor to seven Presidents and their administrations on global HIV/AIDS issues, and on initiatives to bolster medical and public health preparedness against emerging infectious disease threats such as pandemic influenza and COVID-19.  As an HIV/AIDS researcher he was involved in the scientific effort since AIDS was recognized in 1981, conducting pivotal studies that underpin the current understanding of the disease and efforts to develop therapies and tools of prevention.  

Dr. Fauci was the longtime chief of the Laboratory of Immunoregulation. He made many contributions to basic and clinical research on the pathogenesis and treatment of immune-mediated and infectious diseases. He helped pioneer the field of human immunoregulation by making important basic scientific observations that underpin the current understanding of the regulation of the human immune response. In addition, Dr. Fauci is widely recognized for delineating the precise ways that immunosuppressive agents modulate the human immune response. He developed effective therapies for formerly fatal inflammatory and immune-mediated diseases such as polyarteritis nodosa, granulomatosis with polyangiitis (formerly Wegener's granulomatosis), and lymphomatoid granulomatosis. 

Dr. Fauci made seminal contributions to the understanding of how HIV destroys the body's defenses leading to its susceptibility to deadly infections. Further, he was instrumental in developing treatments that enable people with HIV to live long and active lives. 

In a 2022 analysis of Google Scholar citations, Dr. Fauci ranked as the 44th most-cited living researcher. According to the Web of Science, Dr. Fauci ranked 9th out of 3.3 million authors in the field of immunology by total citation count between 1980 and April 2022. During the same period, he ranked 22th out of 3.3 million authors in the field of research & experimental medicine, and 715th out of 1.4 million authors in the field of general & internal medicine.

Dr. Fauci has delivered major lectures all over the world and is the recipient of numerous prestigious awards, including the Presidential Medal of Freedom (the highest honor given to a civilian by the President of the United States), the National Medal of Science, the George M. Kober Medal of the Association of American Physicians, the Mary Woodard Lasker Award for Public Service, the Albany Medical Center Prize in Medicine and Biomedical Research, the Robert Koch Gold Medal, the Prince Mahidol Award, and the Canada Gairdner Global Health Award. He also received 58 honorary doctoral degrees from universities in the United States and abroad.

Dr. Fauci is a member of the National Academy of Sciences, the National Academy of Medicine, the American Academy of Arts and Sciences, and the American Philosophical Society, as well as other professional societies including the American College of Physicians, the American Society for Clinical Investigation, the Association of American Physicians, the Infectious Diseases Society of America, the American Association of Immunologists, and the American Academy of Allergy, Asthma & Immunology. He serves on the editorial boards of many scientific journals and as an author, coauthor, or editor of more than 1,400 scientific publications, including several textbooks.

niaid.nih

By "administrator" you must mean that his job was not as a direct lab-based researcher.  I think we all know that.  

He most certainly was and is engaged in science.

Attacking a dedicated medical professional public servant like Fauci is one of the stranger and more disturbing things the right has done in the past few years. One has to wonder what brought this hatred on. 

I agree.   The incessant attacks are bizarre.   And look at what they focus on:  Fauci's statements to dissuade the public from hoarding masks so as to preserve the supply for medical professionals dealing with a medical crisis.    If they can get so utterly bent out of shape on something like that, how can they not be besides themselves with Trump?    Duplicity and irrational 'thinking'.

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His questionable association with the Wuhan lab is being ignored and denied by the leftists hereabouts.

Why are they being Fauci apologists and protectors? It apparently has something to do with partisan politics perhaps?

His questionable association with the Wuhan lab is being ignored and denied by the leftists hereabouts.

What is taking place is a rational challenge to the pure speculation by R partisans fueled by confirmation bias.

Why are they being Fauci apologists and protectors?

To challenge the absurd attacks on Fauci by R partisans.

His questionable association with the Wuhan lab

Nothing "questionable" about it. Simply a guy doing his job. By all reports (except those from Fox) Fauci was very good at his job. 

Seems far-right wingers have no understanding of how the global scientific community or science in general actually works. 

It's no surprise that only 6% of hard scientists consider themselves to be conservative/republican.

Amazing that those without any scientific credentials are such experts on COVID. I would believe Fauci long before the moosh noosh politicians spouting BS. The following lyrics from John Fogerty's ''Weeping in the Promised Land'' hit the mark. 

So Fauci is claiming that people want him prosecuted for his covid response when he was leader of the Coronavirus response Team?

And the lefties who watch CNN want Americans to buy it?

The ever-lying Dr Fauci isn't in trouble for not knowing what to do during the pandemic or even ordering a booming economy to be shut down. The reason Dr Fauci is in trouble is because the National Institutes of Health approved two multiyear grants of some $3.4 million to the Eco Health Alliance, which had partnered with other organizations, including the CCP and the notorious Wuhan virology lab. In 2014 then president Obama placed a moratorium on gain of function research after such research had made a deadly bird flu, H5N1 much more contagious. It's a dangerous business and one that was taking place at the Wuhan lab during the initial covid outbreak in Wuhan. We have learned that Dr Fauci has tried to cover up the fact that his agency funded that research as well as launching a campaign to play down the idea of the lab leak. He even tried to redefine what gain of function research means.

That is what Dr Fauci is in trouble for.

the National Institutes of Health approved two multiyear grants of some $3.4 million to the Eco Health Alliance, which had partnered with other organizations, including the CCP and the notorious Wuhan virology lab. In 2014 then president Obama placed a moratorium on gain of function research after such research had made a deadly bird flu, H5N1 much more contagious. It's a dangerous business and one that was taking place at the Wuhan lab during the initial covid outbreak in Wuhan. We have learned that Dr Fauci has tried to cover up the fact that his agency funded that research as well as launching a campaign to play down the idea of the lab leak. He even tried to redefine what gain of function research means.

and the crime in those sentences is what ? 

and the crime in those sentences is what ? 

Number 1 would be perjury.

Beyond any crime is the partial responsibility for a pandemic that caused almost 7 million deaths worldwide.

As far as I'm concerned Fauci's defenders are also culpable.

Oh please. 

It is fair to criticize Fauci for his actions, if that is your cup of tea. I am sure he is capable of defending himself. 

The idea that this rises to the level of criminal prosecution is ridiculous. 

The seed is about St. Faucci,  not other posters. Just more PD&D.

“St. Faucci…”

Like ‘brandon’, that simply falls into the trumpian task of assigning an intentional, dismissive nickname in lieu of having an actual discussion.

And yet it somehow continues to resonate with the most base of the base. 

So nicknames is a trumpian thing? Don't know how to break it to you but nicknames go way back before trump. 

I have a nickname for trump - "inmate"

“…nicknames go way back before trump.”

….other than ‘tricky dick’, do tell…

Only proving the sophomoric, lame, and ignorant attempts of the current gop front runner. 

Is that a serious question? I will give you a couple and let you google some more. One president had a nickname of Barry and another was Dutch. 

And how does it prove that? That is a rhetorical question.  No need to attempt a weird ass spin.

Maybe but you might be a bit premature since he is not convicted of anything.

Some just like to throw shit out there and hope no one calls them on it.

Although the initial grant was approved under the Obama administration in 2014, EcoHealth Alliance's renewal application was approved by the Trump administration in 2019. 

It should also be noted that these grants were not awarded to fund a laboratory. They were awarded to fund research into how bat coronavirus could emerge and spread to human populations. The   purpose   of this kind of research, spurred into action by the 2002 SARS outbreak, is to understand the process of how coronaviruses become transmissible to humans. That earlier outbreak was also caused by a coronavirus linked to bats.

Is it unusual for the United States to fund research in other countries? 

In short, no. While this claim is often circulated as if the Obama administration did something unusual, or even nefarious, by awarding a series of grants that would subsequently fund research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology, the United States routinely provides funding to international research organizations. I n fact,  records   show  that the NIH has provided approximately $2.5 million in additional funding to various organizations in China (including Wuhan University) in 2018 and 2019, under the Trump administration. In 2007, while George W. Bush was president, NIH   provided   more than $2 million to various research centers across China. 

snopes

"Dr. Anthony Fauci once argued that conducting experiments on contagious viruses to increase their potency was worth the risk, even if the work could accidentally lead to a pandemic, it was revealed Friday. 

The nation’s chief medical advisor wrote in the American Society for Microbiology in October 2012 of the public health benefit to gain-of-function viral experiments — which center on manipulating viruses and making them stronger — as long as there is significant oversight.

In the article,  first reported by The Australian , Fauci also noted that a pause on such studies should continue until researchers can figure out how to do them more transparently. "

Fauci once argued viral experiments worth the risk of pandemic (nypost.com)


A very dangerous point of view.

The reason Dr Fauci is in trouble is because the National Institutes of Health approved two multiyear grants of some $3.4 million to the Eco Health Alliance, which had partnered with other organizations, including the CCP and the notorious Wuhan virology lab. In 2014 then president Obama placed a moratorium on gain of function research after such research had made a deadly bird flu, H5N1 much more contagious.

You always leave out the part where EcoHealth Alliance's granting of funds to Wuhan for gain-of-function research on bat coronaviruses was not approved by the NIH.  What is known is that both EcoHealth and in turn the NIH failed to do proper oversight.   Improper oversight is not excusable but it is substantially different from intention / approval.