Trump hits out at ‘degenerate’ Manhattan DA with baseball bat post
Donald Trump continues to ratchet up violent rhetoric and lash out on social media at New York County District Attorney Alvin Bragg who is leading the probe into hush money payments allegedly made to Stormy Daniels .
After posting an image in which he appeared to wield a baseball bat beside Mr Bragg’s head, he later called him a “degenerate psychopath” while proclaiming no crime had been committed and warned of “potential death and destruction” if he is charged.
Mr Bragg has said that the former president sparked a “false” indictment expectation as the grand jury skipped its hearing on the matter on Thursday .
In a letter responding to the Republican House judiciary committee chairs, the general counsel for the Manhattan DA’s office said that their demand for documents “only came after Donald Trump created a false expectation that he would be arrested the next day and his lawyers reportedly urged you to intervene. Neither fact is a legitimate basis for congressional inquiry”.
I think Bragg's main worry continues to be getting his staff and the Grand Jury to go along with his "case."
Let us know when he finally gets them on board.
The article is about Trump threatening and promoting violence. Is that what a former president should be doing?
In other words you wish to prosecute his response to false charges? Take at what you've done to yourself, if not what you are doing to the country.
Equally as bad as a former Vice President threatening to take someone out back of a high school gym and beating the hell out of him? Is that what a former VP and now PotUS should be doing? Seems as though it worked for him.
So you do not condemn Trump threatening "death and destruction"? We get it Vic. I have said you are "far right" and been slightly criticized for it. Thanks for proving me correct though.
If you cannot, at long last, see and admit Trump is deranged I feel sorry for you.
Deranged is a bit much. Extreme child like "mommy he is looking at me" I'll give you.
And no need to feel sorry for me. Perhaps a little introspect is warranted. I am NOT the one obsessed with his every breath.
I don't think you do.
The state of New York is potentially bringing a case that could very well be lost. Worse, it has nothing to do with Trump's behavior as PotUS.
Do you think Trump should be held accountable (in a fair and just manner) for his actions during his Big Lie campaign? Actions such as attempted coercion (e.g. Raffensperger, Bowers, Pence) and his false claims of election fraud and voter disenfranchisement that raised the emotions of his supporters and then his refusal (for three hours) to lift a finger to mitigate the insurrection (albeit he tweeted disparaging words about Pence during the insurrection)?
Do you remember the days following his election in 2016?
"In January 2017, Reps. Jamie Raskin, D-Md., Pramila Jayapal, D-Wash., Barbara Lee, D-Calif., Sheila Jackson Lee, D-Texas, Raúl Grijalva, D-Ariz., Maxine Waters, D-Calif., and Jim McGovern, D-Mass., all objected to electoral votes for Trump."
How does that answer my question?
It's called equal justice under the law. Are you sure you want to indict sore losers?
A fine example of defending Trump. This is why Trump remains relevant ... people like you grant him power by not holding him accountable and making excuses.
How dare you recast the actions / inaction of Trump in his Big Lie campaign as merely "Trump is a sore loser". Just incredible, Vic, that you do not recognize what you are doing.
This is like equating Russia's brutal invasion and attacks on Ukraine as merely a 'territorial dispute'.
The defense of the indefensible and their baffling bullshit is just that, baffling bullshit.
You can't run from it:
"I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard," Trump said in his speech.
Now there's a new narrative!
I don't know if it's as good as "deflection is all they have," but we'll see.
Well there is the PD&D and on top of that or kind of intertwined with the PD&D is the baffling bullshit - the former 'president's' supporters/enablers are expanding their repertoire.
Talk about baffling bullshit - you continue to use Faux 'news' as a 'source' and continue to deflect to (I know that's kind of all you have) 2016/2017.
The former President's supporters number 74 million voters. That would have been a record had not 80 million votes turned up.
Coulda woulda shoulda
'votes turned up'
This is how sore losers react like when the turd lost bigly and then incited his failed coup/insurrection.
They were cheated
The election was rigged
It's the # 1 Cable News Station.
Can all those people be wrong?
Speaking of baffling bullshit . . .
The denial of reality . . . quite baffling
They have yet another defamation lawsuit against them that none of the morons who believe their lies have mentioned. Gee, I wonder why . . .
I think you mean BULLSEYE!
No, deflection, as usual
What point are you trying to make now? Are you playing the Tucker Carlson game by showing that not ALL of Trump's comments were wrong and implying that what you present is indicative of Trump's words in total?
Why do you defend Trump against words and deeds that we have and can witness on video?
Hillary was wrong to make that claim, but she merely made a claim.
Compare that to the Big Lie campaign of Trump. One would be blind to not see the profound difference in volume, scope and action.
Of course. Just look around and you will find countless millions of people believing that which is not true (or not shown to be true). Human beings tend to believe that which we prefer ... it takes real effort to think critically (that is what critical thinking is, Vic, defying our natural biases/desires and instead objectively and logically following the evidence to where it leads).
So, to make this crystal clear, Islam is on track to displace Christianity as the dominant religion on the planet. So "can all those people be wrong?" you ask?
It answers your question by pointing out the faux outrage and double standard.
The great unwashed illiterate masses.
Yes, We Do. A former president you support is so damn demented in the head that he does not get that a picture is a worth a thousand words, that every damn misstep he makes is being recorded by somebody somewhere, that he deliberately insists on making as many missteps as he feels is his civic duty in freedom and liberties to render-and he still has enablers seeking to not get him psychological help (not that he would take it-another flaw in his character), means we get it (with bells on), Vic!
Vic, We Get It. Yes, we do. Hell Yes We Do. All Day - All Night We Get It. All Week We Get It. Weekends We Get It. At The Start Of Every New Week We Get It. Days We Are Not Here We Get It. Holidays We Get It! We Get It By Omission. We Get It By Commission.
He knows full well what he is doing, just like he knows 2 + 2 = 4. He "ain't" supporting anybody he does not wish to support no matter how much truth they utter. You may have recently heard it stated: "The cruelty is the thing." For Trump supporters: "The Lies (is) the thing!" Trump knows it too. Trump lies. . .are oxygen to these people. Why? Because they choose delusion/illusion because the delusion puts them on top!
As I told my daughters when they entered college: You take advantage of this opportunity and learn all you can but you are about to be lied to when it comes to politics. You must pretend to believe it. It may even flatter your grades.
After you graduate always remember who they were and don't you ever do anything to help their cause.
Oh the irony. Vic, do you think Donald Trump is an intellectually honest person? 1. Yes. 2. No. 3. Elaborate to your contentment.
More than likely, if Trump is NOT charged, then the triggered left will once again go on a rampage and destroy cities and steal everything not nailed down.
When people defend Trump by claiming he has not been found guilty of a crime, I will ask if they believe he has engaged in wrongdoing. Cease the incessant "has he been found guilty?" mantra and I will no longer counter with the wrongdoing question.
As soon as Trump is found guilty of a crime, the same people will switch the conversation to deep state witch-hunt (at his direction). These are not rational people, so there no real point to having dialogue with them in the first place.
Of course. It is obvious that some will defend him no matter what. They do not care (clearly) that their feeble defense makes them look foolish. And apparently they do not comprehend that their actions are what keep Trump relevant and thus within reach of the nomination and that if nominated, he will lose in the general.
I have found if you ask a liberal the same question over and over, it is considered trolling.
He should lose in the general, because Donald Trump is a wretched 'creature' of a man. A case of the worse of humanity. Trump is about as bad for politics as a case of 'Clap.' Donald Trump is high-class trash.
You are skipping over the other portion of your factless post.
Not only has he not been found guilty of a crime, he has also NOT BEEN CHARGED WITH ANY CRIME. Those are two different things. Evert conservative on here has said that if he if charged with something, and there is overwhelming evidence....not a leftist's feelings.......then we do think that he should pay the consequences.
No one is defending Trump. What is being felt by those on the left that feel this way is the rabid TDS ravaging their bodies and believe Trump is guilty of absolutely EVERYTHING the left thinks he has done......not what he has actually done.
We are simply pointing out that TDS and are trying to get those inflicted with it to concentrate on other events. Trump is not the only thing going right now.
A little friendly advice.
When Trump is actually CHARGED with something, then your incessant question can come back because THEN it will be relevant. Demanding it now to get an answer that is acceptable is only stroking the ego.
It isn't now.
Again you make this statement as if I have suggested otherwise. You have no argument. All you seem capable of doing is pretending (strawman) that you have an argument. It is pathetic.
Every time you make an excuse / deflect / engage in slimy tactics in an attempt to distract attention from Trump's wrongdoings you are defending / supporting Trump.
That is just stupid; my question is about wrongdoing, not about criminal charges. Again with the faux obtuseness.
You haven't SUGGESTED anything. You have copied and pasted the same exact questions for weeks, if not months. By doing so, you are proclaiming you believe Trump is guilty of everything you feel he is.
"Every time you make an excuse / deflect / engage in slimy tactics in an attempt to distract attention from Trump's wrongdoings you are defending / supporting Trump."
Again, no one is defending Trump. We are mocking the left's incessant TDS that makes them proclaim he is guilty of their feelings, and copying and pasting such multiple times.
When he is charged with something, then you can resume your copy and paste. Right now, it is only feelings.
"my question is about wrongdoing, not about criminal charges."
Obtuse. By copying and pasting over and over, you are doing nothing but reaffirming your belief that he should be charged with something.
Straight thinking people would wait until charges are brought before their feelings get the best of them.
Yes bugsy, the facts that I have posted have not changed thus the list does not change.
No, I believe Trump did everything in that list and that he was wrong to do so. Guilt is a legal concept. I have explained this obvious fact repeatedly and you continue to pretend to not understand the distinction between wrongdoing and guilt.
Feelings have nothing to do with this (well, at least not for me ... not so sure about you). If you cannot comprehend that it was wrong to suborn Pence to unconstitutionally table certified state votes then you are not even remotely close to straight thinking.
And waiting for charges is not required. Was it wrong for Trump to repeatedly, incessantly declare the election was rigged and that he actually won? You know the answer. You do not need filed charges to answer that question as a rational adult.
Sometimes they are just mad that we haven't exhibited the amount of poutrage that they have deemed necessary.
He has answered your interminable questions time and time again.
What answer, if any, would you finally consider to answer your questions so you may at long last cease asking the same ones?
The answer is 'yes' as in "Trump was wrong to suborn Pence to commit an unconstitutional act ... Trump was wrong to claim that he won the election and that the electoral process of the USA is rigged ... etc." See?
The answer is NOT "When Trump is charged with something then your questions are valid".
Pay attention to what has been taking place.
He answered you already.
At this point, you are just trolling.
I have seen you ask the questions before, and almost always you have received an answer. You don't like the answers, so you pretend people ignored you.
I have. Which is why I have noticed your TDS is getting progressively worse.
Wrong, pay attention. Read the English Texan. He stated that Trump should be accountable IF FOUND GUILTY OF A CRIME. That is not the question I asked. I asked if it was wrong for Trump to suborn Pence to commit an unconstitutional act, etc. I did not ask if Trump was guilty of a crime.
You too play this feeble, obtuse game of pretending to not understand the difference between wrongdoing and legal guilt.
The usual condescension duly noted and discarded.
Only you care about your little trolling word games.
You go right ahead and "hold Trump accountable"--whatever the hell THAT lame-ass statement means.
Me, I will simply wait for people to hold him accountable where it matters.
In a court of law.
The distinction between wrongdoing and legal guilt is obvious.
You, et. al. continue with these feeble games because you cannot bring yourself to acknowledge that Trump was indeed wrong to act as he did per my list.
When you make stupid comments expect to receive comments pointing out the stupidity.
Stop with the absurdity. You know, when people disagree with you, it doesn't mean they are obtuse any more than you are obtuse for disagreeing with THEM. That is a weak-ass cop out and I feel you could do better.
And when you keep asking questions which have been answered many times, expect to be called out for trolling and for someone to point out the futility and stupidity of such a tactic.
Claiming that my questions on wrongdoing (right vs. wrong) have been answered by "If Trump is found guilty he should be held accountable" is flat out lying.
Jon Stewart was on with Fareed Zakaria GPS this morning and he made this observation: "Either [this nation] has a rule of law or it does not have a rule of law." Profound. Republican politicians are denying Trump the justice he deserves and is abusive of the rule of law! It would seem that the whole of the country can be served up justice in a court of law before Donald Trump (a noun, a verb, and former president of the United States) can be removed from the RNC candidate roll.
There is not a damn thing special about Donald Trump, because he is a propped up and standing because of people who want to take and keep others of their fellow citizens CHAINED to a backward-looking version of the American experiment. If this nation's best future is more like the past it properly decries and once or so apologized for then woe is us.
Again, we either have a rule of law or we don't have a rule of law! Follow the damn law and the spirit of the law. Or, don't be surprised or perplexed when the remainder of the people lose faith in our system of laws wholly.
Right. One remembers the totally non partisan hack Stewart arguing Clinton should be arrested for perjury in 98.
Right. We have Rule of Law!
Get out of the 'silo' - bucking the system just because one can does not make it worthwhile, helpful, or true.
Sean, again you are being inconsistent as a conservative. Perjury is a crime and some conservatives can not 'call it out' if there is no charge brought. Do you have a charge against Hillary Clinton or is it merely a conservative talking point? Do produce whatsoever it is you have so we can revisit '98 intelligently.
And there you have it. It is your feelings that are driving your decisions. I was right, but we knew that already.
"not so sure about you"
Nice insult, but I'll let it slide
" I have explained this obvious fact repeatedly and you continue to pretend to not understand the distinction between wrongdoing and guilt."
We don't need you to libsplain anything to us. Conservatives know that if it is proven Trump has done something wrong, then he should pay the consequences.
Leftists believe he is guilty, and it is obvious by repeating the same list of "beliefs by feelings" over and over again.
"Was it wrong for Trump to repeatedly, incessantly declare the election was rigged and that he actually won? "
So did Hillary. She even had people riot for her in DC and other cities right after the 2016 election. If you beleive Trump is "guilty " of this, then you believe Hillary is the same. I asked you this question yesterday and you deflected off on a tangent, never to return to it. Now is your chance to answer.
"You do not need filed charges to answer that question as a rational adult."
Right back atcha
It is just absolutely TDS driven to ask the same questions over and over and over again. I know we have all answered those questions, and pretty much in the same way, but apparently we are not using language that is acceptable.
I wonder how triggered and violent some will come if there are no charges over J6.
Leftist cities better put their fire departments on full alert.
Maybe it is you that needs to learn to read English.
I answered your question as to whether I believe he was wrong in 1.1.36...THEN I said if he is found guilty, he needs to be held accountable.
Was YES three times not acceptable to you?
Did I need to write it 4, maybe 5 more times.
Jesus, TiG, get off of it. We have answered your questions and I for one refuse to do it again.
Texan is right. You are doing no more than trolling at this point.
Another stupid claim. Is it 'feeling' that it is wrong for Trump to lie to the world and claim that the USA electoral system is rigged, that Biden is not the legitimate PotUS, that his supporter's votes were disenfranchised? Is it 'feeling' that it is wrong for a PotUS to suborn his own V.P. to commit an unconstitutional act?
Get a clue.
I asked this:
You answered with this:
So you want normal English readers to believe that your "Yes, Yes, ..." was answering my question. That means you were saying that Trump should be held accountable for the actions I listed @1.1.8.
Then you immediately take it back and include the stipulation that Trump should be held accountable IF he is found guilty of a crime.
Should Trump be held accountable for his wrongdoings regardless of whether he is indicted and found guilty?
If he is wrong (and you claim that you consider it wrong for Trump to do what I listed) the he should be held accountable for his wrongdoing. 'Held accountable' in this case means bearing the blame for his wrongdoing and having people treat him accordingly. One of the example treatments is to not support him for the GOP nomination. Another proper treatment is to stop running interference for him ... stop defending / excusing him.
No, it is just yet another example of you getting an answer you don't like. Don't insult me by pretending otherwise.
You debate opponents are just flailing now!
It DOES answer the question.
Again, you just didn't like the answer given this time or any other time you have asked the same questions.
What in the WORLD do you think "yes" means?????
Always. And calling this debate gives too much credit. It is little more than troll swatting IMO.
And once again for the millionth time, 1.1.36 specifically showed I say YES YES and YES.
THEN I said that if he if found guilty of something, then he should be held accountable.
Just because my wording does not fit your demands is not my problem. It's yours.
So, I'll tell you what.
Tell us the exact wording you want us to post that will fill an ego trip and that way you can say you were right.
THEN...get off it and get on something that people care about.....and that ain't Jan 6.
Yet another stupid meme
Please, tell us what he is innocent of?
I'll tell you one thing he is guilty of, sitting on his fat ass eating potato chips and watching tv as the Jan 6 riot unfolded.
Since that is not necessarily a crime I guess its all good then, huh?
"Guilt" has meanings beyond legal culpability. Grow up.
It is obvious some want an exact wording to their liking that will stroke an ego.
Last I understood, the word YES means exactly that. It means I agreed with him, but obviously, that would put an end to the argument and that would be devastating to those that argue for the sake of arguing.
I am curious as to what "consequences" are warranted if Trump is not indicted, nor is he found guilty if he is.
What I am seeing is someone that is letting feelings get the best and those motions are driving the need for public trial and findings of guilty, whether a court has done or not.
synonyms for guilt
culpability · guiltiness · blameworthiness · wrongdoing · wrong · wrongfulness · criminality · unlawfulness · misconduct · delinquency · sin · sinfulness · iniquity · responsibility · accountability · liability · answerability
as you can see, all of those words do not imply legal culpability
jesus , you are tiresome
Well, we can all rest easy, safe in the knowledge that Trump is being held accountable by the high and mighty!
I don't fucking know John. I am not a liberal and let my feelings get the best of me in my decision making.
"I'll tell you one thing he is guilty of, sitting on his fat ass eating potato chips and watching tv as the Jan 6 riot unfolded. "
Unhinged TDS riddled leftist observation they know nothing about.
"Since that is not necessarily a crime I guess its all good then, huh?"
""Guilt" has meanings beyond legal culpability."
Not legally, but only in the minds of TDS riddled leftists who thrive on posting hundreds of threads of "we got him now" seeds , zero without proof.....GOING ON SEVEN YEARS.
"Grow up. "
I've been relaying this message to you, et al for a very long time.
Some conservatives know this! After all they condemn and demonize democrats, liberals, 'queens,' women, transpeople, blacks and other minorities without any court proceeding being involved or considered. It's all bull patty with them and its all done in plain sight. They simply want people, especially liberals, to defer (bow down) to their wishes and forget about rule of law.
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what do YOU think Trump was doing on the afternoon of Jan 6th? Do you think you know more than the people who saw him that afternoon and saw what he was doing? Some of them , who were all Trump supporters, testified before congress about this.
I know of no one that wants anyone to bow down to their wishes from the conservative side.
Just another insult laden post. No one is surprised.
It's actually expected.
As far as the rest of your rant...
No one except TDS riddled leftists care about what Trump was doing.
Everyone else has moved on with their lives.....2 years ago.
Elaine Luria did not make that up. That is what White House personnel who saw Trump testified to.
be happy NT gives you a podium.
The key to liberal approval is to feign outrage at anything and all things Trump.
Well at least those that THINK they are the high and mighty.
According to Bugsy, NO ONE cares what Trump was doing on Jan 6th.
This is the nonsense we have to deal with on this forum.
I'm waiting on the exact verbage we should be using when we are discussing this topic.
Ditto.............................. although you fuck it up every day with your Trump rants.
Not what I said. I said those not riddled with TDS.
Everyone else has moved on...2 years ago.
Maybe you should too.
I think if you just make every. single. post. a. denouncement. of. Trump. it will be looked upon favorably by leftists!
True but it seems some require an approved wording of exactly how they want the denouncement.
Looks like any other way means "you are defending him"
Bugsy, you just said no one cares what Trump was doing while the riot was taking place. Where is your denouncement, with any kind of wording?
Trump did not try to intervene on Jan 6th because he wanted the riot to succeed in stopping the electoral vote count.
Stevie Wonder and Ray Charles told me that.
Don't let the trolls bother you.
Let them learn to deal with it.
Oh, they don't bother me. They are easily handled.
I'm just tired of answering the same exact question the same exact way over and over again, only to have the same bullshit thrown back in your face once again.'
1.1.80 shows I said EVERYONE EXCEPT THE TDS RIDDLED. You trying to put words into my post that obviously not there shows ignorance.
Maybe he did, but without proof, you know, like your hundreds of "we got him now" seeds, you really don't know that.
If you hold that Trump should be held accountable for wrongdoing alone then your second sentence is redundant.
Here, I will break it down:
Statement 1 establishes accountability on wrongdoing alone. Statement 2 is thus redundant unless you are using statement 2 to qualify statement 1 (which would make sense). You claim that you were not doing this thus statement 2 is redundant (and consequently suggests muddled thinking).
It is a common tactic for some to write vague language and then use same to try to wiggle out when caught.
You can work through your comment in your own time. Good luck.
Pardon the interjection, but generally doesn't something need to be investigated before anyone can be found guilty?
Investigation, charges filed, indictment, prosecution/defense in court, verdict returned
When speaking of Trump, the standard Trump-defender argument is that he has not been found guilty of a crime. The implication is that until Trump is found guilty of a crime, he has done no wrong.
My response is to state that legal guilt has not been established but that we can still opine on Trump's wrongdoing.
For example: was it wrong for Trump to falsely declare to the planet that the USA electoral system is rigged, that Biden is not the legitimate PotUS and that his supporter's votes were disenfranchised? Or, was it wrong for Trump to suborn his V.P. to table certified electoral votes in order for Trump to win by a plurality? Or, was it wrong for Trump to let the insurrection ensue for three hours before telling his supporters to go home?
Typically, the "was it wrong ... " questions are immediately translated into "has Trump been found guilty ..." versions to avoid acknowledging Trump's wrongdoing.
Is that a fact? So it is true, then, that the CCP, when COVID-19 infections were known, extemporaneously decided to intentionally plunge the planet into a pandemic on the chance that this might cause Trump to lose the election and that the CCP does not care if the entire planet sees them holding the smoking gun?
That came true?
Thanks for the primer. My point was that saying "he hasn't been found guilty" when the investigation is not done seems rather infantile.
Trump's protestations of innocence ring about as true as Nixon's did.
Thanks for the clarification of your intent.
The argument "he has not been found guilty" has been the feeble dodge employed by Trump supporters when questions of Trump's wrongdoing are raised. No matter how ridiculous the look, they continue with this nonsense and, apparently, think that people buy this tactic.
When it comes to Trump, those things get thrown out the window, along with logic and reason. It is all about how liberals feel,......
Trump may be the single most-investigated person on the planet. The feds looked at this matter and pressed no charges. Bragg is just trying to further his own political career by trying to satisfy the TDS-sufferers bloodlust for Trump.
See @1.1.104 as an example of why I commented on your @1.1.98. I figured Trump supporters would jump on your comment and interpret it to mean that they are correct in refusing to acknowledge Trump's wrongdoing.
Well, gee, guess what?
You figured wrong again.
I am really not sure what it would ever take to convince you that your questions have been answered, that not everyone hates Trump as much as some whackadoodles seem to, that talking about Trump isn't necessarily defending him and that not everyone is so damn obsessed with Trump that he dominates their every waking thought.
I will take your word since Texan is on perpetual ignore.
In response to:
You are claiming that those who criticize Trump's wrongdoing are just "feeling" and implying (obtusely) they are all claiming that Trump is legally guilty.
That is obvious made-up nonsense by you, et. al. to avoid acknowledging the wrongdoings of the most recent GOP PotUS. You are doing just what I stated, replacing ' wrongdoing ' with ' legal guilt '.
You claim that my questions are answered. Thus you (and you claim others) will answer YES to all these questions:
Was it wrong for Trump to try to overturn the results of the election using the authority of his office and against the Constitution?
Was it wrong for Trump to:
Trump has not been indicted for any of the above and thus no trial and no verdict. But the question of right vs. wrong can be a topic of discussion and people can still opine on whether they believe it was right (or wrong) for Trump to do the above.
Do you answer these questions all with YES? I expect replies to include equivocation, deflection to Biden / Clinton, snark, etc.
No, that is where you are wrong.
I am claiming that when it comes to Trump, far too many people are convicting him in the kangaroo court of public opinion as you have done. What people consistently have been telling you is to indict, try, convict, and sentence Trump. What you and everyone else constantly, endlessly complaining about Trump have been unable to do, so you resort to asking endless questions which have been answered time and time again. You are trolling.
And there you go again. I have not convicted Trump of anything. I have not deemed him guilty.
See, you will engage in any dishonest tactic to avoid acknowledging wrongdoing (not guilt) by Trump.
That there is rich with irony!!!!
Thanks for the laughs!
That line has taken first place for the time being for "stupidest post of the day". Congrats.
You refuse to acknowledge YES to Trump's wrongdoing (as predicted) and instead (as predicted) engage in childish taunts.
You should at least try to be a tad more honest in your posts.
I have answered your endless questions before. When you insist on asking them time and time again AFTER you have received answers marks them as mere trolling.
I won't give trolling satisfaction by answering questions again and again when you simply won't accept the answers.
Go troll someone else.
I just don't understand what the big deal is. Trump did some shit wrong,,,,,,,,"wrongdoing". So fucking what? Why is it so Goddamned important for people to shout it on the mountain tops just to feed some arrogant egos? People have eyes and ears FFS
from the eastman memo, which Donald Trump approved
1. VP Pence, presiding over the joint session (or Senate Pro Tempore Grassley, if Pence recuses himself), begins to open and count the ballots, starting with Alabama (without conceding that the procedure, specified by the Electoral Count Act, of going through the States alphabetically is required).
2. When he gets to Arizona, he announces that he has multiple slates of electors, and so is going to defer decision on that until finishing the other States. This would be the first break with the procedure set out in the Act.
3. At the end, he announces that because of the ongoing disputes in the 7 States, there are no electors that can be deemed validly appointed in those States. That means the total number of “electors appointed” – the language of the 12th Amendment -- is 454. This reading of the 12th Amendment has also been advanced by Harvard Law Professor Laurence Tribe (here). A “majority of the electors appointed” would therefore be 228. There are at this point 232 votes for Trump, 222 votes for Biden. Pence then gavels President Trump as re-elected.
I have YET to see anyone here say that Trump should go unpunished for any crimes he may have committed.
Apparently that doesn't satisfy the TDS-afflicted. I suppose we must all climb aboard our little soapboxes and demand that Trump be 'held accountable". Wouldn't charging him hold him accountable, or do TDS-afflicted think it means something totally different?
Some folks just troll, trying to browbeat us into thinking as they do.
Here is the big deal. When people speak of what Trump had done wrong you will often see 'rebuttals' of the form:
These 'rebuttals' dishonestly substitute 'Trump is guilty' for 'Trump was wrong to ...'.
You know this since you see it happen everyday in this very forum yet you still ask the quoted question to me.
He didn't even write a WORD to you.
Not the claim; I have never stated that someone here has claimed that Trump should go unpunished for crimes. Yet again, you engage in dishonesty. Instead of wrongdoing you leap to crimes. Just amazing that you think this fools people.
I have asked about Trump's wrongdoing, not about his legal guilt in a crime.
You are doing a fine job of proving to readers that what I stated is accurate.
Please troll someone else with your pathetic little word games.
I am finished with this utter bullshit coming from you.
And yet again, refusal to acknowledge Trump's wrongdoing with feeble excuses.
Trolling from you--asking th same old tired questions again and again which you have received multiple answers--none of which you will accept.
Sorry you just aren't getting the answers YOU want, but maybe it is unrealistic to expect everyone to just accept your views without question and jump aboard your train.
That must be tough to accept--different views and all.
Only thing that needs working through is you throwing out dumbass memes when you have nothing else.
My guess, and I am usually correct, is Bragg is trying to indict because Soros financed his campaign with the promise that he would at least indict Trump.
Bragg is stuck now knowing that his attempt is weak, but he is under the thumb of Soros with the promise to indict.
It is strategically stupid for Bragg's to be the first case to bring against Trump. Far better to bring the DoJ case or at least the State of GA because both of those deal with Trump's behavior as PotUS (and both seem to be substantially stronger).
Of the three, this is the best case for Trump. Hard to imagine that Soros wants to help make Trump look like a martyr and drain political capital from the DoJ and State of GA cases.
Moi? Are you sure I threw out a 'dumb ass' meme? Show me: Snap! Snap!
This isn’t stupid if you assume the other cases are weaker or will take longer to indict and prosecute. This case could rally Trump support in the primary and then kill him in the general.
Do you think the other cases are weaker?? Further, this case has nothing to do with the presidency so it is bad for the nation to potentially harm the cases that do deal with the presidency and the horrible precedent.
Yes it would rally Trump support. This is the best case for Trump since it would make him a martyr. If Soros is strictly thinking politically then this would be the best case to bring since it arguably helps Trump win the nomination or at least shore up his power as a spoiler.
Personally, I do not care as much about the politics as I do the horrible precedent the lingers as long as Trump is not held accountable for his Big Lie actions.
No, I think they may be stronger.
I do too. So if Soros literally just wants to "get Trump" those would be better choices. The Bragg case —especially if he loses— will adversely affect the stronger cases.
That case could become moot...
He is the degenerate psychopath. What the fuck is wrong with him?
He thinks he is such a bad ass with that bat but he is a big fucking fat mouthed fat turd bully coward who has always had someone else fight his battles for him - inciting his enablers and supporters again and again like on 1/6 and throughout his 'presidency' before he lost.
Didn't you attempt to answer your own question?
He's a fucking thug.
See, you didn't have a question after all.
There was no need for a drum roll, was there?
Yet you comment on my every comment. One of the members of my fan club.
Hardley, you are a much to prolific commenter and I'm much too lazy to comment on all of yours.
Yet here you are commenting on my every comment.
I thought to the left, when the word "thug" is used, it is meant to demean a black person.
Have the rules changed?
Bugsy, Bugsy, Bugsy, this snark will leave a mark! Oh boy, did you step on your. . . 'member' with this one. And of course, some conservatives are lying about this one, because as anyone can see liberals are heavily populated by Blacks and other minorities so it would be COUNTERPRODUCTIVE to officially call them anything other than "a child of God" or something as good.
CB CB CB, there was no snark. It was all seriousness.
Maybe you should talk to some other blacks and ask them what they think white people mean when they use the term "thug".
You might be surprised.
Which "whites" do you have in mind? BTW, I know what "thug" is used to insinuate. It is deployed as code-talk to "dub" blacks in general as thieves, liars, and cheats. And for your information, white people are not new to me. Indeed, some of my best friends are White people. (My neighbor across the street is White and I talk and socialize with him and his wife, and we help each other as often as we can. I have Filipino neighbors and Mexican Neighbors and Jordanian neighbors too! Of course, I am not the only Black household here.) So, I ask good questions and get good answers (something I don't/can't always get in this setting.)
The 'problem' for you, if it is one, is you have the audacity to try to project a conservative use of the pejorative "thug" for people some conservatives dislike, okay - detest- as something liberals do. And that is a rank lie.
More to the point, were any liberal/progressive or any such class of people I know ever to call me or mine, "thugs," I would tell each and every one of them to kiss my (black). . .foot!
So it's not an acronym for Truly Humble Under God?
Let me help you out here.
Here is some reading assignments.
Look! I am being nice to inform you that I know what you are referring, and I don't need to spread racists code words and its cousin "crap" around on NT to convey it. Help yourself out and don't pull this 'stunt' again. You want to be bold about racial overtones and cousin "Crap"- I will flag it for you and on that you can count! And I will ask NT to remove it and treat it with injury.
One more thing: I have it within me to say write a great amount of tacky, tasteless, and classless words, phrases, and expressions that I have encountered over a long life, but I don't/won't allow myself because I have class. I suggest you remember to keep this as decent as you can too!
What in the HELL are you talking about?
If you can't put the components of this discussion together to get a whole picture of the depths we are sinking, you might not be in the right area of discussion. May I suggest before this can bottom out we move back 'up' the scale. That might keep you/us classy.
We have a former president of the United States promoting a photographic depiction of him about to hit a district attorney in the head with a baseball bat, and also threatening "death and destruction" if he is brought to justice.
What are the nations leaders waiting for to denounce him and demand he leave the political scene? This is beyond insane and bringing shame on America.
America is certainly more than this Capone wannabe piece of shit. The shame lies entirely on the Republican Party.
"America" is tolerating him on this stage. The media first and foremost, and then Republicans and conservatives, then independents and moderates who remain silent, and then some Democrats.
This should be the headline story in every newspaper and tv news show in the country. While it is not being hidden, it is not the headline news either, but it should be. It is unprecedented behavior.
Is it really better to give this the kind of coverage this dirtbag is seeking? It’s probably a calculated decision to not give this sleaze that kind of attention.
He gets the attention anyway, but without the universal condemnation it should attract. If people dont know by now that Trump will not go away on his own they never will.
For Trump any news is good news. Universal condemnation will fuel him up identically to universal mendacity. It’s only his base that he cares about, and the more he’s in the news the more amped up they get. I am so not looking forward to this dumpster fire of a human sucking up all the oxygen for the next few years.
we better hope he drops dead then, because that is the only thing that will stop him.
Observing people who claim to not want Trump to be the nominee yet continue to defend him pretty much supports your hypothesis.
That would be the best thing. Then we would have DeSantis vs Biden and later DeSantis eradicating the lefties in government.
The DNC could no longer run against Trump and Trump would be memorialized.
Nah, hope that he lives long enough to totally denigrate himself and those who cling to his methods of dishonesty for dishonesties sake. All praise the money bags! Be as bellicose as possible while grabbing a fist-full of pussy and," Please, Sir. Can I have some more violence?"
And, if by some miracle he gets elected, half the people won't need to vote because they won't be eligible. Ohhhh, no you don't. Your application was lost in the mail. Mr. Potter gets his thrifty working class and the rest of us go hungry. Trump, the savior of the one percent and whomever else wants to diddle his peter-pan sucking goober-smooch.
Most of us normal people are simply ignoring his antics.....
How can you be ignoring them, when you are commenting on an article about them? Hmmmmm?
Antics? What is he , Charlie Chaplin , Buster Keaton, the 4th stooge ? Maybe Squiggy from Laverne and Shirley?
Remember when Kathy Griffin held up a fake head with trmp's face on it? Remember the condemnation she rec'd for it?
Isn't that photo considered a legitimate threat? Isn't it illegal?
Kathy Griffin went too far, as a comedian. She was not campaigning to lead the country. If we as a collective people do not put a stop to Trump , all this will go on until the day he dies. He is mentally ill , and occupies a gigantic stage with the approval of tens of millions of Americans. Its nuts.
How are we going to stop him?
First of all, MAGA people have to turn their back to him. This has yet to happen much at all. Also, the mainstream media should comment openly on the fact that he is a malignant aberration on our society. The media tends to do "both sides" which in effect normalizes Trump by suggesting that his opponents and detractors also have similar behavior and actions like he does. "Both sides-ism" has done more to keep Trump going than anything. We see it here every day when people claim that partisanship on both sides is the problem we face today. While that is abstractly true, the serious problem is Trump and trumpism, not "the squad". There is no equivalence between the two.
Nationally known Republican leaders like McConnell , Romney, Susan Collins, George W Bush, Marco Rubio, etc should specifically say that Trump is a danger to our system and he needs to drop out of the race today. And those statements should get widespread publicity. We also need evangelical Christian leaders to come to their senses and denounce him strongly.
In the end it all comes down to the MAGA though. They created this monster and they need to reject it now.
Some of the thug's support seems to be dwindling, I mean there were less than a dozen in support of the scumbag in front of turd tower the other day - there were more anti-turd protesters.
I think this potential indictment in a weak case may be designed to help Trump stay and win the primary and lose the general election. Similar to Dem tactics of support rabid Trump fans in Congressional primary races to then beat them in the 2022 general election.
I am absolutely shocked there were more jobless liberals than conservatives with nothing better to do than stand outside trump tower in NY.
The loser enabler supporters of the turd said they were going to do a bank run and crash the banking system or some other such ignorance.
We have a Congress, DOJ, and Supreme Court as the system, checks and balances in case you forgot, is alive and well in DC. You give him WAAAAAYYYYY to fucking much credit.
Do you recognize that Trump could be the nominee? Is that good or bad for our system?
Do you recognize that Trump could be the spoiler for the GOP nominee? Is that good or bad for our system?
Trump has set a precedent (and has not yet been held accountable) that one can falsely deem elections to be fraudulent and engage in all sorts of coercive maneuvers to try to steal an election. Is that good or bad for our system?
Trump has shown that one can be a lying sack of shit who cares only about himself (and not the nation or his constituents) and still garner votes from tens of millions in the electorate. Is that good or bad for our system?
I think this suffices to illustrate the harm Trump does to our system and I bet you could continue this list in the same vein.
Didn't hurt when he was PotUS until China came along with a gift.
What do you mean spoiler? You mean more popular and winning primaries? So what. Didn't help him in 2020.
Never hurts to question the status quo.
I don't know about you but his presidency didn't hurt me or mine or ANYONE else I know. Seems he cared a lot for the nation. China and other tariffs. NATO needing to buck up some money. Attempting to build the wall between US and Mexico (and look at the fucking mess we have now that the threat of Trump action is gone). As soon as the present puppet masters stopped that it sent a signal that the tough guy was out of office and Katy bar the door here they came in droves.
Sorry but as I have iterated before, not everyone thinks like you and folks like JR do. I will ask you this since I can't get an answer anywhere from the left. How did Trump being PotUS affect you and yours personally and inflict harm on your lives or of those you know? I really don't expect an answer except some "yeah but" but give it a shot if you want to. And no "he was going to" or any "but the world laughed" bullshit. China and the Norks NOR Russia pulled any of the bullshit they have since January 21,2021 when Trump was in office.
You ignored my question.
Example: DeSantis wins the nomination. Trump defiantly runs third party (or even encourages his supporters to not vote for DeSantis). DeSantis loses enough support to lose the general.
Here again, you deflected.
I did not ask about you personally, the question is about the damage done to our system by supporting a lying narcissist. Another deflection.
It did not affect me personally. But, then again, I made no claim that it did but rather wrote of the harm to our system. For example, do you not recognize the harm Trump has done to the GOP?
Some people live in a whole different world............no, universe. Going through life with hate and fear is NO way to live. Let's see
I have asked some of these people if they would vote for Charles Manson if he didnt effect them personally and if he had policies they liked. No answers yet.
The idea that a person is acceptable as a national leader, no matter what, as long as he doesnt negatively effect individual people is bizarre.
What fucking system are you talking about? Nothing fell apart. Not a damned thing.
And no deflection. That you don't like the answer is not my problem.
And speaking of deflection, what do you call this other than what I asked you not to do.
That sounds like one of those "he's going to" speculation things.
What damage came of supporting a lying narcissist? Elaborate please. Your generalizations are quite boring.
And again, what harm to our system? Should be easy for you to answer. In my world, things are just fine and have gone on from day to day. System INTACT!
You are defending someone that is promoting a photo of him ready to hit a district attorney in the head with a baseball bat.
What the hell is wrong with you?
What do you see outside of "individual people" that WAS negatively affected? And again, please spare me the world was laughing bullshit. They may have been laughing but I am sure that the majority of the laughter came from nervous fear as they couldn't discern what he may inflict on them next.
Except for Covid, he was quite a breath of fresh air and the cleansing of the status quo was welcomed..........by about 74 million citizens.
It is amazing how some people want to subvert the election process because of fear or hate, The rules are quite simple, if you meet the qualification and get enough votes you win the primary, you then face off against the winners of the other primaries. the person who then wins the most electoral votes becomes president. The fact there are some hell bent on subverting this process is quite telling on where their loyalities might lie. What are they afraid of? that now that everyone know that Biden is incompetent Trump might win? that is how elections work.
You are supporting a district attorney who is using the justice department for political purposes! What the hell is wrong with you?
Your comments are out in far right field.
If I told you the truth I would get suspended.
You are an exhibit A as to why Trump can continue to have MAGA followers.
Sounds like JR is talking about Brandon the Human Fuck Up Machine. I know I can answer how Brandon, and his enablers, have damaged this country.
The investigation of this issue predates concerns about the 2024 election. Trump hoped that him running for president would protect him from prosecution and you are ready to give him what he wants.
Only because you are so far in left field- that anything to the right of you looks like right field.
Go for it! We could all use a good laugh.
No that would be Brandon and the Democrats. Who seem to have a very unhealthy obsession with all thing Trump. They are doing a great job of making sure Trump is the Republican nominee. Could it be that Democrats feel Trump is the only person their Human Fuck Up Machine can beat in a general election?
That's exactly what the former 'president' and his supporters/enablers are doing - using/spreading/sowing fear and hate and attempted/tried to subvert the election process through incitement of his failed insurrection/coup . . .
The projection is unfuckingreal
What is the crime John, And here is the list of crimes and statute of limitations under NY state law, Let see if you can justify Braggs actions. What crime did trump allegedly commit that isn't more than 6 years old! GO!
Statute of Limitations chart | NY CourtHelp (nycourts.gov)
Substitute Trump with Brandon and your entire post still holds true.
Well there is such a thing here as a private note. Have at it if you are so inclined.
And he can have all the followers he can muster. I am not necessarily one of them. You and your ilk are trying to make it so a legitimate man cannot run for president because he hurts your fragile sensibilities. And THAT isn't my problem either.
I won't vote for the man but I am so FUCKING tired of the continual bashing and bringing him to the forefront like you do every God Damned day. Yes, the press does all they can, as they did in '15-'16 to garner him dislike but how did that work out in 2016? If no one would pay attention, hopefully he would go away.
I am just tired of sycophants with nothing better to do but dwell on Trump 24/7/365. It's bullshit and all it is doing is endearing him more just like it did in the past. And you are as guilty as anyone with your "Trump Took a Shit at 9:00AM, film at 11:00. You are not going to change any minds and for you to continue to try is praise worthy while at the same time, a rather futile attempt that may affect you in ways you don't want it to.
"You can make a pancake as flat as you want but it still has two sides." HT to Dr. Phil McGraw.
Even if this were true of Biden (and clearly not all of my points are true of Biden), we are discussing Trump here.
You said you would get suspended if you told me here. I gave you an out. [deleted]
The GOP has visibly become dysfunctional. There is part of the "fucking" system. But the system of which I speak is our overall system which includes everything from campaigning, elections and governance.
A lame cliché. You deflected. Probably because you realize you cannot offer a strong rebuttal.
I gave you an example so that you could comprehend what I meant by "spoiler". You ask a question and then complain when I answer with clarity.
You game of obtuseness is lame. Now you will simply keep asking the same question and pretend you have not had an answer. I suspect you are not fooling anyone.
Again, our system needs to dissuade politicians from lying and manipulating circumstances for their own personal benefit. Trump's actions, if he is not held accountable, exacerbate the extant problem of political deception/manipulation and corruption. It encourages people to cry fraud when the lose elections, to engage in frivolous lawsuits, to attempt to coerce officials in order to steal an election, etc. Bad behavior without accountability lowers the bar and allows more of same.
Opinions do vary.
I haven't seen a convincing answer. Only a feeeelings driven one.
And that hurts you how? It doesn't. Because you wouldn't be involved in ANY of it. Therefore it seems you consider yourself a saviour of sorts trying to save people from what you perceive is a problem they have when indeed, it is your problem. No one else's.
Cleansing of the status quo???
If anything he infected the so-called swamp with more nastiness. His "advisors" were for the most part incompetent and were given their positions by way of cronyism
Have you looked at the present administration and the gaggle of advisors? Look more like an affirmative action roundup. But DEI is the acronym of the year..................Want to discuss the Nuclear waste overseer?
I have not read anyone make that ridiculous claim; certainly not me.
Obviously you are going to continue to try to move my point from systemic to personal since you have no rebuttal.
Since Trump has never stopped breaking the law I'm pretty sure that the statute of limitations doesn't apply.
Thanks for all of the usual proof for your claim and the ability to demonstrate that the statute of limitations is beyond your understanding.
I think you are supposed to say "you, et al".
The true MAGA will never turn their backs on the one and only festering puss-hole of a perverted human being.
Now, can we round up some 4x4 Fords and Chevies.... awww, hell even let the damn MOPARs in and we'll all go down and burn some immigrents on the southern border? Then praise Jesus while we bash the gays and whoever wants to try and defend them,... Fuckin perverts
Do I really need a sarcasm tag???
Questions are one thing. Blatant lies are another. This comment defends lies.
Disinformation moderation may be helpful.
And instead of going off half-cocked and endlessly bitching about Trump, some of us are still waiting for Democrats to indict, try, convict and sentence Trump. Or to finally shut the hell up about him.
Some folks have gone off the deep end regarding Trump, and it shows daily.
it's damn pitiful.
Just one lifelong crime spree without break or end.
just the usual nonsense.
What exactly about Trump brings out the idiocy evident in so many posts like that one?
We all remember the photo. Most of us also remember several prominent liberal figures defending her over it.
Many people also remember her reposting it in 2020 and recanting her previous apology.
Good question. I'm not sure what NY law has to say about that.
I'm sorry, but this is a step too far. If Trump's post was made here I would have to remove it as a violation of our TOS, as it would be regarded as incitement. Disgusting.
Thank-you. I thought there was something wrong with that post
I really don't approve of that photo, but since I allowed it in the article, I am going to allow it here. But thanks for testing me as usual.
Actually, that photo used in the seed was in a sub story at another site and NOT in the original article except as an ancillary link. So, theoretically, you could at least remove that photo. There is no photo in the seeded article proper. It had to be dug out.
But thanks for testing me as usual.
Happy to help.
Hey - snitches get stitches!
It was still posted in Trump's account and it is part of this story, so I have no grounds to remove it, since it's being reported everywhere.
As for Hal, par for the course. I think the reverse photo is disgusting, too. At least it didn't come from Bragg.
not only that , hes fucking wrong
this is the seed link, and the baseball bat photo is there
In a tweet..................why not use the whole tweet. did you edit it to be just the photo?
Oh I see now because it isn't a photo file. It is an AVIF file that the site won't take................????
oh that is soooooo much better. /s
Mine is soooooo much more realistic, from a symbolic perspective of course.
Agreed, Bragg is such a fat pussy he would need a bat. Not that trump is any better.
Yeah but Trump looks like a little girl who just saw a spider.
He thinks he looks like a bad ass and so do his enablers/supporters
trump is always the big fat pu*** handsdown
Kind of misogynist no? Or kind of cliche? girls are afraid of spiders and boys aren't?
Look if Bragg had tweeted something like this or if any body on this forum had come up with a meme like that you would be all over it claiming it's disrespectful, incites violence, yadda yadda yadda
I know some men who scream at the site of a spider.
When I used to work for a plastic surgeon, I saw two grown men faint - one was because his child was getting stitches - the other was a (I think) vaso vagal response.
Bullshit. I don't think like you do. The court of public opinion would have weighed in on that one too. But it wouldn't have bothered me. Kind of like the unending memes we get here on this site that are similar to what Hal posted. I just laugh and wonder how someone thinks that memes continuously and with violence in any way points to an intelligent human being.
Isn't fainting from seeing you child stitched also a vaso vagal response?
It's triggered by the sight of blood or to what one would consider emotional distress as well so yes.
He almost fainted right on me and he was a big guy.
Who said the surgeon let me go?
I worked for the plastic surgeon a long time ago - long before my position at the University of Maryland where I would have been there 19 years this February.
When I worked for this plastic surgeon - it was front and back office and we assisted in the surgeries which he did in his office surgery which included mini face lifts, etc., etc. and I also was the transcriptionist for his charts and letters and notes.
Pay no attention to morons and fools.
Mr G is tough. He watched me undergo 2 C-sections and even said "cool" when he saw my guts.
I had three surgeries, one was very extensive at Johns Hopkins. I was very impressed with Dr. Jonathan Greer and Dr. Fabian Johnston and their team that worked on me and saved my life. The nurse that helped me heal were phenomenal. I'm very grateful that their skill and expertise was available to me.
I've seen 2, as well. I'm not sure Mrs. TX would have appreciated "cool", but if it worked for you guys, then .
I was in too much pain to care...well I was fine after the spinal block with the first one but the second one was just an epidural which they gave me when I went into labor. I was trying to give birth without another C-Section (that didn't work out). So they wheeled me into surgery and didn't bother to top off the epidural.
I used to work at the Kennedy Krieger Institute (at the time it was called The John F. Kennedy Institute for Handicapped Children) my first office job and it was connected to Johns Hopkins University Hospital (literally - there is a tunnel that connects them). THAT was a very long time ago - I must have been around 25 or so.
It's Awesome that you got such great care there.
P.S. Note that I have had a few other jobs before I ended up at the University of Maryland and hoped to retire from there.
Yikes! My best friend just had knee replacement surgery and instead of a general they used spinal and he said it was kind of creepy - hearing the drills and the saws.
Observed several C-sections. Still don't feel comfortable doing one without a full surgical team and all the machines!
God forbid I have to do one during a zombie apocalypse!