CHRIST! WILL SOMEBODY BRING TRUMP TO JUSTICE ALREADY?
By: keith olbermann
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Jesus H Christ will somebody finally bring this man to justice !
Trump stalled a document dump about Michael Cohen for a year. New York D.A. Bragg just got 104,000 pages from the US attorney’s office this month, 31,000 of them yesterday ,and what does Bragg do to ensure Trump has enough time to review the documents he himself stalled? Bragg is willing to delay the start of the Stormy Daniels hush money trial for another 30 days out of an abundance of caution for Trump’s sake.
we do not have another 30 days
Trump’s consierge judge Aileen Cannon in Florida did not have the gall to dismiss the 32 Espionage charges against him in Florida yesterday ,as he wanted , but she also didn’t say a word about getting that goddamn trial started on time, or two months within being on time ,or four months within being on time, or before the election ,or before Trump dies of his dementia. Not saying you are going to delay it is in fact just another way of delaying it .
The Supreme Court has managed to stall until a month and 10 days from now just the hearing, never mind the ruling on this fantasy of presidential immunity which has as its precedent absolutely nothing in American law or American history, and is about as valid as Sister Katherine’s debates from the 13th century about how many souls can stand on the head of a pin, and thus in turn Trump has been able to introduce this high octane hot and cold running presidential immunity bullshit into the Canon trial in Florida ,and into the Bragg trial in New York, and what is Alvin Bragg doing because Trump managed to stall in a different way he’s offering Trump another 30-day stall.
This is the greatest criminal in the history of this country and his incarceration is perhaps our only chance to rebuild this nation before it splits into two universes occupying the same spot , at the top of the same pin between the sane people and the people who believe in QAnon , and support racism , and think Trump is being persecuted , and he is running for dictator and he has given up pretending that he is not running for dictator , and he is running out the judicial clock so he can regain power and effectively immunize himself so he can commit more crimes and we are giving him an extra 30 days out of an abundance of caution because we wouldn’t want to rush this thing.
We didn’t arrest him the minute his term expired, we didn’t appoint a special counsel the day he left Washington, we didn’t prosecute him the week we realized he had stolen nuclear secrets and was reading them to passers by , we didn’t get an attorney general who didn’t just assume everything would go back to normal , we didn’t just commandeer him and stuff him into the naval Consolidated Brig at Chesapeake for attempting to overthrow the godamn government , and now apparently on the theory that if we just treat him nicely this year maybe he’ll suddenly become un -insane and maybe a little less world destroying level evil and he’ll ask one of the prosecutors for a nice plea deal.
And it’s not like the new crimes aren’t still piling up.
$600,000 from a Trump linked company and the next thing you knew it Alexander Smirnoff was lying to the FBI and to unscrupulous idiots like James Comer and Jim Jordan about Hunter Biden and President Biden and Barisma and Ukraine , and the Biden accuser arrested by the FBI got an unexplained 600 Grand from a company about two steps removed from Donald Trump.
But sure , give him another 30 days to game the system a little longer because ,I don’t know, maybe he can get hold of some nukes and hold a blue state hostage.
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The legal system is betraying the American people
Give it up, JR. You know very well the BTCotUS (Beholden Trump Court of the United States) will make sure Trump will be free to stand for election.
If he doesn't go to trial on all these chargers before Election Day it will be a travesty
You hit that gavel right on the head there for sure Buzz. The two-tiered justice system that is allegedly for Democrats/Progressives/Liberals is projection personified.
No, you are expecting the legal system to save you from fielding a senile candidate who 80% of independents, the actual voters you need to win say is incompetent and unable to perform the duties of president. If you had a decent candidate the courts wouldn't need to "save" you from yourselves.
Your "senile" remark is invalid. You are not a doctor nor are your 'friends.'
your comment is irrelevant to the article
Why is trump stalling , and stalling and stalling ? that is extreme consciousness of guilt
Those seeking immunity are guilty.
No doubt about it.
Because it benefits him politically and with fund raising. I’m surprised that you had to ask.
stalling at this level and persistence is clear indication of consciousness of guilt
Because he has help...
This isn't China. Trump is allowed due process just like everyone else. No matter how people much the TDS driven hate it.
Not everyone can have the DA and DOJ running stalling tactics; and obstruction; like Hunter and Brandon.
These 'remarks' are nonsense. Of course, DAs and DOJ staff can not help their politics, but they are bound by rule of law. That MAGAs can't stand that a nonplussed compulsive liar named Donald Trump gets his comeuppance through civil courts and criminal charges in criminal court is not anything that anybody here can aid you with relieving. I suggest you drop MAGA loyalty to a more middle of the road choice for the GOP presidential candidacy (yes, even at this late moment of deciding). One that come with less legal "baggage" to unpack and repack! Also, let go of the reins of that Cult! MAGAs are definitely not being served well.
It appears to me that Trump needs an awful lot more due process than ANYONE else, but then at least I'M sticking to the topic.
But since you brought up your knowledge of China's legal system, I'm curious about whether or not you've ever been to China - and please don't answer by asking me if I've ever been to Russia.
Tell it to Bill, Hillary, Hunter, and Brandon. Seems the justice system won't bring charges against them even when it knows that laws have been broken.
How many years has the the Hunter investigation been going on; and how many indictments have been filed? They let the statute of limitations expire on the two most serious of tax evasions.
Is Brandon being charged- even though Robert Hur repeated stated Brandon willfully held classified documents and shared them with his ghost writer. Who also wasn't charged for having classified information and destroying evidence.
Same with Hillary. She willfully retained and mishandled classified documents sending them across a private unsecure sever. She then destroyed evidence by smashing smart phones, tablets, and bleachbit her server and hard drives. Yet Comey failed to press charges.
Can't say the same about Trump and Republicans. The investigations are over before they even really start; charges will always be coming; in the most leftist districts possible. They will even stretch the indictments into the realm of ridiculousness.
Leftists have shear gall to bitch about Republicans and Trump being favored in their two tier justice system. Due process is the one avenue left open to get some type of fairness- and Democrats want to do away with it.
Gee Buzz. This is the only thing I need to know about China's legal system.
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Mess with Xi and be forcibly retired; or disappear and come back a shell of your former self.
No need for a trial.
Because he doesn't have Garland and the DOJ blocking, blocking, blocking, and obstructing for him like Brandon and Hunter do.
That stalling is called due process; but Democrats don't give a shit about the Constitution or the rule of law.
Well I didn't ask for someone else's observations or your opinion that are most likely biased - all you had to do, but obviously don't want to do, is give a two or three letter word answer to a simple question, but you seem to have trouble doing that. LOL I think If I were to ask you if you were a man or a woman I expect you would write me a 2 page essay on various sexual preferences.
You deflect to Biden when the topic is the delay tactics of Trump's legal team and the compliance by the justice system (writ large) with same.
Trump's indictments are the result of what he did. If Trump had not engaged in wrongdoing, he would not have been indicted.
Do you recognize Trump's wrongdoings or not?
What law school teaches that an indictment means you have engaged in wrongdoing? I am not a lawyer (not even one of the millions of internet lawyers) but I thought that is what trials were for
I'm not sorry that so far Trump has not been able to get the MAGA judges and MAGA juries essential to hear and dismiss his otherwise plain bullshit approach to legal proceedings. As for your whataboutism. You are talking to the wrong person; whatever court treatment Trump gets he deserves-especially because he learns little to nothing from his experiences since he is not humbled significantly from confrontations there.
I have no sympathy or empathy for Trump, a man who essentially needs to leave the public stage and go back into relative obscurity in the private sector and let the country alone to heal itself—its way. Oh and by the way, now Donald is 'begging,' in the way he 'prays,' for monies to drop from 'heaven' into his lap. . . after he can't secure bond for the 464 million he has to pay to the city of New York. . .maybe Donald. . .go ahead. . .see how much you can get for that damn namesake, "Trump" airplane you travel the country in trading in disinformation, lies, and deceits.
You have neither an indictment or a charge against "Brandon" but you cut him no slack, so deal with the courts. BTW, judges know more about what they do everyday than you or me. And if you don't get it: Your 'slip,' partisanship for MAGAs, is showing.
Deflecting since you have no answer to my comment I see. Have I ever said Brandon should be criminally charged or convicted for anything or were you just intent to call someone MAGA?
Trump has been in several civil proceedings. . .and found guilty as charged. Deal with it, MAGAs' denialists. Wrongdoing is ultimately determined by courts, but to your point: Trump can't persuade his critics of his 'truth' as he sees it and civil juries either so far, because he is the 'perpetual' boy who cries wolf! And you probably know how that story ended. If you don't know. . .look it up. Somebody probably has planted Trump's face on the boy in the story.
The proof is in the posts.
The answer is definitely a resounding yes.
I never suggested anything of the sort. Getting an indictment does NOT mean you engaged in wrongdoing. The cause and effect of my comment is that wrongdoing can lead to an indictment.
You incorrectly flipped the logic.
Stated differently, if X does not engage in wrongdoing then X will (likely) NOT be indicted.
Or you can just read what I wrote:
So everyone indicted is guilty? Unbelievable!
How is it that after carefully explaining this you still deliver the exact opposite meaning?
Your very own words:
You indicate Trump is guilty because he was indicted.
I don't agree and find that brand of logic sorely lacking.
Trump is guilty because the evidence points to his guilt. There have been people on this forum, tig ,thomas, myself, and others who have posted pieces of the evidence, as well as links to source material, from the J6 committee and other places. This evidence has so far gone unrefuted on newstalkers.
3 1/2 years after the 2020 election no one can point out a single piece of actual evidence that the election was stolen from trump. What has been pointed out is actual evidence that trump tried to steal the election for himself.
Well, I will wait for a conviction, I still support trials and fairness and all that good stuff liberals threw out the window with Trump's arrival.
Wow, this is incredible. 'If X then Y' is what we are dealing with.
If Trump had done nothing wrong, then there would be no justification for a legitimate indictment.
My point is that Trump brought this on himself. He chose to behave in a manner that arguably violates laws on the books. His choice to engage in a fake electors scheme, to suborn Pence to table certified votes, to incite his supporters, etc. etc. is behavior that enables a legitimate indictment.
If Trump had simply acknowledged defeat and moved on like every other PotUS in our history, he would almost certainly NOT be indicted. Why? Because he would have done nothing wrong ... nothing upon which to base an indictment.
It is because he clearly engaged in wrongdoing that he became a candidate for a legitimate indictment.
That does not mean that in law an indictment means someone has necessarily done wrong. There are bogus and incorrect indictments that are filed.
In this specific case, Trump brought this shit on himself by virtue of his irresponsible and likely illegal behavior.
It is ignored by Trump defenders ... who, simultaneously, deny that they are defending Trump.
Why even bother with trials then when your "point" is that Trump is guilty--as "proven" by the indictment?
That shows a real lack of understanding of our judicial system, but I understand reason and logic often fly out the window when people start irrationally yapping about Trump.
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Thanks for attempting to clear that up.
You are not fooling anyone by continually lying about my point.
If someone believes Trump is guilty that is not enough to hold him accountable. The rule of law means that he has due process. He is charged, tried, convicted and punished, or found not guilty and freed.
What it shows is yet another low-grade strawman from you. You should be embarrassed to pen something this dishonest.
No amount of spin or twisted logic is going to change the very plain words "Trump's indictments are the result of what he did. If Trump had not engaged in wrongdoing, he would not have been indicted."
You have to put forth an honest effort to understand.
You should put more effort into what you say if it is not what you mean
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This is pathetic. Instead of engaging in thoughtful debate, you spin my meaning, ignore my clarification, and then double down.
This is simple. Trump’s wrongdoings enabled his indictments. He brought this on himself. Had he not attempted to steal the election, etc. there would be no legitimate grounds for an indictment.
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I guess it is OK when some folks say the same thing 100 times. Makes sense, you have to protect your own.
At times we are expected to be clairvoyant and to think people mean something other than the words they post, while at other times we are expected to go strictly by what they actually write.
People should put freaking disclaimers on their posts when we are supposed to guess what they really, really meant.
At least take the guesswork out of what we are supposed to read according to the poster.
Do not keep saying the same things over and over and over again or I am going to see about having you removed from this group.
I'm trying to give you a fair chance but I am sick and tired of seeing the same comments from you and a couple other people over and over and over and over.
You're out-talking no-one. Liberals can see the sham defense of a loser named Trump you defend. That idiot Donald is getting some of the comeuppance his wretched . . . 'dickishness' is due (but not enough yet for the daily lies and foul statements he makes because he won't shut up!); that you have expressed 'overtime' now the notion that society should endure this fool Trump to the ng degree is a failure of understanding on your part about how much courts will tolerate. . .and accept in any of its proceedings!
MAGAs can 'crazy-glue' their minds to GOP/MAGAs talking points all they want; the collective "we" will continue to straighten out the lies and misinformation. . .as long as we can. Because somebody has to be true to the truth at the end of the day!
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Has the thought even occurred to you I wouldn't be saying the same thing over if others didn't say them to me?
I respect your right to preserve your little echo chamber. Hope you'll be happier with it.
You singled me out. Don't you really mean "conservatives" are the people you are tired of hearing from?
Why do you equate calls for the justice system to work properly with "defending"?
It's called a "conversation" when it is real. Otherwise, it is called, "mindless noise" when it is specious, noxious, bull. Attempts to corrupt discussion should be treated as hollow and empty and deserving of shit-canning. We're grown folks here, I imagine. . . though, one can never be sure if a child has found its way into discussion.
Most 'old people' know a thing or two about how conversations and nuance statements work. Children. . . do to, nevertheless. MAGAs appear to be fixated on gaslighting their fellow adults. . . not. going. to. happen. here.
It's up to you. if you stop making the same kind of comment over and over again you can stay in my group if you insist on repeating the same thing over and over again I'm going to have to do something
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The person you two always argue with posts facts, links, summaries, documents, and you guys don't.
" I dont agree with your facts, links, summaries and documents" is not in itself an argument.
We are obviously not talking about the same person. I would clarify but I feel confident I would get flagged
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Call it whatsoever you wish. From my perspective, it is the duty of everyone here to get talkers off their damn talking points and on to real emotion and sound communications. I am not coming here as often as I do just to indulge my daily intake of 'dumb-shit' for entertainment sake. My entertainment is in the real world or in reading knowledgeable books on an array of subject matters.
How about on to real facts and less emotion?
From my perspective, it is the duty of everyone here to get talkers off their damn talking points and on to real emotion and sound communications
I agree, especially if their talking point is MAGA this and MAGA that
Oh my goodness! It's 'you' again. Well, let's see how long this lasts! No questions from MAGAs - statements only please.
Yup, the two tiered judicial system meant to protect republicans.
Tell that to Bill, Hillary, Hunter, and Brandon.
The justice system has done more than just protect them- it refused to even charge them.
The justice system does not operate on whataboutisms, Ronin2. Figure it out already. If the justice system operated in that fashion, then Trump would have a criminal court date denying his request for immunity from the courts already (as every other citizen would - "Justice not delayed.") And, a higher court would have 'jacked up' that suspicious-acting judge Cannon in Florida for her twice reprimanded decisions in a Trump case before her.
MAGA, your "steady" drumbeat about this one getting away and this one getting caught in the trap; is nonsense. We all know this. Justice is based on laws and laws treat each crime according to its circumstances presented in court. . . not just because one side of the political spectrum wants to see political and legal 'bloodsport'!
The justice system is supposed to be fair and impartial. It is neither under Democrat control.
Your implication that the Ds have biased the system against Trump is demonstrably false.
The SCotUS agreed to hear the Trump immunity plea. No way on the planet they will grant him immunity but they are hearing it anyway? Why? It is obvious that they are complicit in this general delay tactic. They are not rushing to get this done ... will hear it late April and then probably take a couple of months to finally deliver their opinion which will be a denial.
The judge in the classified documents case (Aileen Cannon) has granted all sorts of delay tactics. She is a Republican appointee of Trump.
If the justice system was as biased against Trump as you claim, we would not be looking at the very real possibility that he is NOT held accountable for his actions as PotUS prior to election day.
Every case against Trump is tainted in one way or another, it's doubtful he will be convicted of any of them.
Te desperation is growing exponentially everyday, first the states can’t ban him from the ballot, then republicans don’t replace him, now their desperation demands that the courts to save them.
The cult of Trump does not have a say in how long or short the proceedings will be once they get going. That's a good thing.
He's guilty as sin on all counts yet the former 'president' has his cult of the defenders of the indefensible
So why bother with pesky little things like indictments and trials?
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Exactly, that insurrectionist gallows would do quite well !
Because we operate under the rule of law which includes due process. Citizens are not to take the law into their own hands. Guilt and punishment are a result of a formal process based on jurisprudence.
That is why.
In the meantime, individuals have the right to draw their own conclusions. The conclusions carry no weight ... just opinions ... but they are perfectly within their rights to express same.
Dang, I forgot the sarcasm tag, but was hoping it was obvious enough not to be necessary!
Fixed it!
Do you want Trump to have a fair trial? You seem to have pre-judged him in many of your comments over time.
Though Trump was already fairly indicated by four grand juries in four jurisdictions, I want Trump fairly tried, fairly convicted, fairly barred from ever seeking any political office again and fairly imprisoned for the rest of his no good miserable entitled lying habitual criminal low life existence on this planet, and beyond...
Yes I want every trial to be fair.
I am not sitting on the jury so I cannot legally pre-judge him. I can, however, draw a conclusion based on what I have observed. On the basis of what I have observed (which is considerable at this point), I fully expect a fair trial to find Trump guilty of filing legal documents with false information (lies) to try to get the state of GA to "find him votes" and the various charges related to creating fake electors and trying to pass them off as legitimate.
Our judicial system has always , not unlike the other branches of gov't , reacted only to money . Trump is like that old turd, the more you rub him, the shittier he gets . Trump is the product of a system based on False Churches, Bigotry, and GREED . There isn't enough toilet paper to wipe Trump from the ass of Lady Justice .
Any links with evidence or comparisons of ours with other countries judicial systems.
I appreciate you sharing your experience.
To hell with your links, I don't give a shit about what other countries do ! [(no value deleted)]
That experience is from patting little republicans on the head when they cry . Schooling them in the error of their ways, then driving home that point with a swift kick in the ass !
No comparative analysis for fineline.
I’ve already had a midline incision.
Plexotomy defined : A surgeon implants plexiglass in your abdomen so you can see where you're going with your head up your ass !
I hope it works out well for you.
Etymology edit
plexus + -tomy
Noun edit
plexotomy (plural plexotomies )
As a forward-looking liberal, I don't need one . As a MAGA , you would benefit greatly .
Isn’t your abdomen forward?
See my 3.1.7
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Any day now...
"The greatest criminal in the history of the country"
Where do they go after statements like that?
One ignores the hyperbole and focuses on the facts. News and commentary is routinely imperfect, one must learn to deal with imperfection.
Hyperbole and imperfection are far cries from outright lies.
Call out the lies, don't try to ignore them.
And making a reply that does not follow from a comment is a non sequitur.
Yet again, your reply has nothing to do with my comment.
Write an original comment rather than a reply if you are going to comment outside of what I wrote.
Your comment, by the way, is another example of a strawman. You are attempting to imply that I have suggested we NOT call out lies and that we ignore them. It is a dishonest tactic.
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I think it would be hilarious to have all of the Trump Trials going at the same time, in one building (multiple courtrooms of course) and Trump could be moved from to the other to the other to testify, observe, object whatever and on top of getting the trials completed and out of the way it would be the greatest TV spectacle in the history of television.
I also believe that once convicted and sentenced that the appeals process should be limited to 365 days and then the sentence is carried out.
But alas that is not how the legal system in the country works.
Just as the mugger on a city street has the right to due process so does the highest profile of defendants. Taking advantage of the appeals and discovery and other built in delayed to the legal system is a defendant's right be he/she a former president or a mugger.
I wish that all of these trials had been completed by now, but then they would have all been appealed if Trump lost (more time wasted, and the election process goes on) and if Trump won it would be because the system is tilted in his favor.
I think the point John makes in a roundabout way that "the right to a speedy trial" should be a right of the "people" as well as the "alleged criminal" is a good one and I am willing to bet that there are more qualified advocates of such a point than the Keith Olbermann.
I am also a connoisseur of hyperbole but "The greatest criminal in the history of this country" is a bit over the top, even for Keith.
Well I am sure that why I am totally wrong will be explained to me shortly, but here you go "one man's opinion"
I would add to caveats to this, 1. unless new evidence comes forth, like the guy who actually committed the crime confesses. 2 provable malfeasance by the prosecution.
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In my view I would see those two situations as motions for a new trial, rather than an appeal. But I agree with your point and principle.