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To serve his country, Donald Trump should leave the race | Editorial

  
Via:  John Russell  •  6 days ago  •  197 comments

By:   The Editorial Board ( httpswww. inquirer. com)

To serve his country, Donald Trump should leave the race | Editorial
Biden had a horrible night .But the debate about the debate is misplaced. The only person who should withdraw from the race is Trump.

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President Joe Biden's debate performance was a disaster. His disjointed responses and dazed look sparked calls for him to drop out of the presidential race.

But lost in the hand wringing was Donald Trump's usual bombastic litany of lies, hyperbole, bigotry, ignorance, and fear mongering. His performance demonstrated once again that he is a danger to democracy and unfit for office.

In fact, the debate about the debate is misplaced. The only person who should withdraw from the race is Trump.

Trump, 78, has been on the political stage for eight years marked by chaos, corruption, and incivility. Why go back to that?

To build himself up, Trump constantly tears the country down. There is no shining city on the hill. It's just mourning in America.

Throughout the debate, Trump repeatedly said we are a "failing" country. He called the United States a "third world nation." He said, "we're living in hell" and "very close to World War III."

"People are dying all over the place," Trump said, later adding "we're literally an uncivilized country now."

Trump told more than 30 lies during the debate to go with the more than 30,000 mistruths told during his four years as president. He dodged the CNN moderators' questions, took no responsibility for his actions, and blamed others, mainly Biden, for everything that is wrong in the world.

Trump's response to the Jan. 6, 2021, insurrection he fueled was farcical. He said a "relatively small number of people" went to the Capitol and many were "ushered in by the police."

After scheming to overturn the 2020 election, Trump refused to say if he would accept the results of the 2024 election. Unless, of course, he wins.

The debate served as a reminder of what another four years of Trump would look like. More lies, grievance, narcissism, and hate. Supporters say they like Trump because he says whatever he thinks. But he mainly spews raw sewage.

Trump attacks the military. He denigrates the Justice Department and judges. He belittles the FBI and the CIA. He picks fights with allies and cozies up to dictators.

Trump is an unserious carnival barker running for the most serious job in the world. During his last term, Trump served himself and not the American people.

Trump spent chunks of time watching TV, tweeting, and hanging out at his country clubs. Over his four-year term, Trump played roughly 261 rounds of golf.

As president, Trump didn't read the daily intelligence briefs. He continued to use his personal cell phone, allowing Chinese spies to listen to his calls. During one Oval Office meeting, Trump shared highly classified intelligence with the Russian foreign minister and ambassador.

Trump's term did plenty of damage and had few accomplishments. The much-hyped wall didn't get built. Infrastructure week was a recurring joke. Giant tax cuts made the rich richer, while fueling massive deficits for others to pay for years. His support for coal, oil drilling, and withdrawal from the Paris Agreement worsened the growing impact of climate change.

Trump stacked the judiciary with extreme judges consisting mainly of white males, including a number who the American Bar Association rated as not qualified. A record number of cabinet officials were fired or left the office. The West Wing was in constant chaos and infighting.

Many Trump appointees exited under a cloud of corruption, grifting, and ethical scandals. Trump's children made millions off the White House. His dilettante son-in-law got $2 billion from the Saudi government for his fledgling investment firm even though he never managed money before.

Trump's mismanagement of the pandemic resulted in tens of thousands of needless deaths. He boasts about stacking the Supreme Court with extreme right-wingers who are stripping away individual rights, upending legal precedents, and making the country less safe. If elected, Trump may add to the court's conservative majority.

Of course, there were the unprecedented two impeachments. Now, Trump is a convicted felon who is staring at three more criminal indictments. He is running for president to stay out of prison.

If anything, Trump doesn't deserve to be on the presidential debate stage. Why even give him a platform?

Trump allegedly stole classified information and tried to overturn an election. His plans for a second term are worse than the last one. We cannot be serious about letting such a crooked clown back in the White House.


If anything, Trump doesn't deserve to be on the presidential debate stage. Why even give him a platform?

Yes, Biden had a horrible night. He's 81 and not as sharp as he used to be. But Biden on his worst day remains lightyears better than Trump on his best.

Biden must show that he is up to the job. This much is clear: He has a substantive record of real accomplishments, fighting the pandemic, combating climate change, investing in infrastructure, and supporting working families and the most vulnerable.

Biden has surrounded himself with experienced people who take public service seriously. He has passed major bipartisan legislation despite a dysfunctional Republican House majority.

Biden believes in the best of America. He has rebuilt relationships with allies around the world and stood up to foes like Russia and China.

There was only one person at the debate who does not deserve to be running for president. The sooner Trump exits the stage, the better off the country will be.


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JohnRussell
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1  seeder  JohnRussell    6 days ago
The debate served as a reminder of what another four years of Trump would look like. More lies, grievance, narcissism, and hate. Supporters say they like Trump because he says whatever he thinks. But he mainly spews raw sewage. Trump attacks the military. He denigrates the Justice Department and judges. He belittles the FBI and the CIA. He picks fights with allies and cozies up to dictators.
 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
2  seeder  JohnRussell    6 days ago

Every word of this is true, but MAGA counters, "DEI".

Gotta look out for the whites. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
3  TᵢG    6 days ago

Serving his country is not a priority for Trump.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
3.1  Tessylo  replied to  TᵢG @3    4 days ago

Serving trump is his only priority

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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4  Greg Jones    6 days ago

Biden is only interested in gaining wealth and retaining power. What's he really done for the average American lately? 

How did he and his extended family get to be so rich on a Senator's salary and 4 yeas as VP.  Was a lot of it kickbacks and bribes from Russian, Ukraine, and especially China?

What is Joe Biden’s net worth? (msn.com)

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
4.1  TᵢG  replied to  Greg Jones @4    6 days ago

Incredible.   No matter what Trump has done, no matter how clearly he shows that he is in this strictly for himself, no matter all the evidence that Trump is a lifelong con-man, you give him a pass and take every possible negative (even speculation) against Biden.

Your comment is the exact opposite of objective reasoning.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
4.1.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  TᵢG @4.1    6 days ago

maybe greg didnt read the article

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
4.1.2  Texan1211  replied to  TᵢG @4.1    6 days ago

What specifically in his post led you to the conclusion he is giving anyone a pass?

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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4.1.3  Greg Jones  replied to  TᵢG @4.1    6 days ago
"Your comment is the exact opposite of objective reasoning."
Your comment lacks logic and any kind of reasoning and is a weak attempt to deflect and shift the focus to Trump, when the comment was totally about Biden and his corrupt administration and family.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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4.1.4  Trout Giggles  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.1    5 days ago

that would be my guess

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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4.1.5  Right Down the Center  replied to  Greg Jones @4.1.3    5 days ago

I am sure you realize if you say something negative about Biden you are required to say something as bad or worse about Trump. S/

 
 
 
Ronin2
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4.1.6  Ronin2  replied to  TᵢG @4.1    4 days ago

Incredible- not matter how treasonous Joe and his family are shown to have been. No matter how much they lie, cheat, steal, and abuse the system to their own ends. You defend him. He doesn't need your defense- the FBI, DOJ, and mainstream media already have that covered.

Both lie; except leftists give Joe a complete pass on his lies. If he is breathing and can get out a coherent sentence he is lying. Any unintelligible comments he makes are lies as well; but his demented brain cannot grasp the lie long enough to spit it out.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
4.1.7  TᵢG  replied to  Ronin2 @4.1.6    4 days ago

Based on your comments, you have created a fantasy world where every negative accusation of Biden you hold as true while ignoring every wrongdoing and negative characteristic of Trump.

I for one have been quite critical of Biden.   But you ignore that and pretend that I operate like you but in reverse.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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4.1.8  Texan1211  replied to  Right Down the Center @4.1.5    4 days ago
I am sure you realize if you say something negative about Biden you are required to say something as bad or worse about Trump. S/

No need for the sarcasm tag.

Seems like we spend half the time arguing over things we don't even write but are magically attributed to us.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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4.1.9  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Texan1211 @4.1.8    4 days ago

To some, anybody that says anything negative about Biden is automatically lumped into the pro Trump, pro MAGA, RWNJ crowd and there is no middle ground at all. One simply has to absolutely  share and accept their views to have credibility in their eyes.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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4.1.10  Texan1211  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @4.1.9    4 days ago
To some, anybody that says anything negative about Biden is automatically lumped into the pro Trump, pro MAGA, RWNJ crowd

Equally annoying are those who pretend because you don't say something about Trump means you support him. Madness!

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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4.1.11  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Texan1211 @4.1.10    4 days ago

lol.  you make dozens of comments against Biden for every one you make against Trump. This whole thing has become a farce.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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4.1.12  Right Down the Center  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.11    4 days ago

Why are we keeping score?

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
4.1.13  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.11    4 days ago
you make dozens of comments against Biden for every one you make against Trump. This whole thing has become a farce.

And I dare say you probably make a hundred negative comments about Trump for every one you do of Biden.

is there a point you are trying to make here?

Or just clearly illustrating my point in post 4.1.10?

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
4.1.14  TᵢG  replied to  Texan1211 @4.1.13    4 days ago
And I dare say you probably make a hundred negative comments about Trump for every one you do of Biden.

True ... and JR has also made no attempt to hide the fact that he intends to vote for Biden.    JR is thus quite consistent with his comment history.

You, on the other hand, pen almost exclusively negative comments about Biden with precious few abstract negatives regarding Trump and quite a few comments defending Trump.  Yet you claim you will NOT vote for Trump.   Quite a difference there between claimed intent and comment history.

JR's point, obviously, is that your claim that you will NOT vote for Trump is laughable given your comment history.   It is simply not credible.

I think my explanation is clear.   Any questions?

BTW, I totally support your claimed intention to NOT vote for Trump.  

 
 
 
JBB
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4.1.15  JBB  replied to  TᵢG @4.1.14    4 days ago

Is it a thang or a phenomenon particular to this site that so so so many of Trump's most prolific defenders, who also are among President Biden's harshest critics, claim they have never and will never vote for Trump? God forbid you describe them as MAGA!

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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4.1.16  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JBB @4.1.15    4 days ago
Is it a thang or a phenomenon particular to this site that so so so many of Trump's most prolific defenders, who also are among President Biden's harshest critics, claim they have never and will never vote for Trump?

I don’t know, do you have any comparisons with other sites?

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
4.1.17  TᵢG  replied to  JBB @4.1.15    4 days ago

Yeah it is interesting that Trump is the GOP presumptive nominee (the primary was not even close) and is leading in the polls yet very few GOP members and/or conservatives here are planning to vote for him.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
4.1.18  CB  replied to  TᵢG @4.1.17    4 days ago

It's nonsense. It's politiically gaslighting this place. It's old-fashioned propaganda, opportunistic, and psyops lying. 

 
 
 
CB
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4.1.19  CB  replied to  JBB @4.1.15    4 days ago

I heard a term being bandied about during the bru-ha-ha over the debate: Trumpism/Trumpist. (Sorry, true trumpet players.)  Damn, Donald has made it a long damn way up the political ladder of 'infamy.' To the GOP's shame!

 
 
 
Sparty On
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4.1.20  Sparty On  replied to  TᵢG @4.1.17    4 days ago
very few GOP members and/or conservatives here are planning to vote for him.

Don’t even start believing this place is a remotely accurate representation of the electorate.      Lest you be very disappointed in November.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
4.1.21  CB  replied to  Sparty On @4.1.20    4 days ago

Yeah right. We 'lost' a special 'people's fish' during the last election (and some others too) all because of Donald's big 'win' in 2020. Not!  

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
4.1.22  TᵢG  replied to  Sparty On @4.1.20    4 days ago
Don’t even start believing this place is a remotely accurate representation of the electorate.

Statistically, it would be wrong to view this as a valid sampling of the electorate.   So no, that is not my position.   

I simply do not believe claims that one will not vote for Trump when one's comments (and seeds) are almost exclusively negative on Biden with precious few, mild, general negatives directed at Trump and plenty of comments defending Trump.

You know, just does not pass the old smell test.

 
 
 
Sparty On
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4.1.23  Sparty On  replied to  CB @4.1.21    4 days ago

You forget what started this chronic mania on the left.     Trump had the temerity to beat the chosen one.     Many have been psychologically off the rails since.    Nearly eight years.    

Now that is a seriously chronic malady.

Bigly

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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4.1.24  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Sparty On @4.1.23    4 days ago

The only people who think about Hillary Clinton nowadays are people like you.

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
4.1.25  Sparty On  replied to  TᵢG @4.1.22    4 days ago

Many folks say nothing because they don’t want to get hassled by a liberal/conservative coalition here or elsewhere.  I have no such fears but can agree with such sentiments.    Sometimes it just isn’t worth hearing raging rants that seem to develop around discussions like that.

It can get old but the key is to not give a shit what the haters think.    Know what I mean?

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
4.1.26  Sparty On  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.24    4 days ago

I’m a student of history.    You should try it some time.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
4.1.27  TᵢG  replied to  Sparty On @4.1.25    4 days ago

If someone engages on a social media forum that specializes in politics and makes aggressive, partisan commentary then they should expect rebuttal.   If the rebuttal is viewed as being 'hassled' then they probably should consider a different forum where their feelings will not get hurt.   An echo chamber like Truth Social might be the key.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
4.1.28  TᵢG  replied to  Sparty On @4.1.26    4 days ago
I’m a student of history.

Who then is the only PotUS in our history who employed fraud, coercion, lying, and incitement in an attempt to steal a US presidential election while violating the CotUS, his oath of office and disenfranchising the electorate?

 
 
 
Sparty On
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4.1.29  Sparty On  replied to  TᵢG @4.1.27    4 days ago

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JohnRussell
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4.1.30  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Sparty On @4.1.26    4 days ago
I’m a student of history.

You could have fooled me. What about history would you like to discuss? 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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4.1.31  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  TᵢG @4.1.28    4 days ago
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Sparty On
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4.1.32  Sparty On  replied to  TᵢG @4.1.28    4 days ago

It’s childlike to believe that onlyTrump has lied, coerced and committed fraud as President.    Hard to take a comment like that serious.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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4.1.33  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  TᵢG @4.1.28    4 days ago

I wouldn't sell Richard M, Nixon short. He came pretty close.

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
4.1.34  Sparty On  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.30    4 days ago

Already have but you’d have to have the character and resilience to absorb the discussion and not just trigger it away.

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
4.1.35  Sparty On  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @4.1.33    4 days ago

They all do.    Some worse than others but they all do.    It’s politics.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
4.1.36  TᵢG  replied to  Sparty On @4.1.29    4 days ago
Now, man up and leave post or remove yours as well.

What on Earth are you talking about?   Man up?   Man up to what?

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
4.1.37  TᵢG  replied to  Sparty On @4.1.32    4 days ago
It’s childlike to believe that onlyTrump has lied, coerced and committed fraud as President.    Hard to take a comment like that serious.

Rather than answer my very simply question on history, you dishonestly change the question.

Here it is again:

Who then is the only PotUS in our history who employed fraud, coercion, lying, and incitement in an attempt to steal a US presidential election while violating the CotUS, his oath of office and disenfranchising the electorate?

 
 
 
Sparty On
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4.1.38  Sparty On  replied to  TᵢG @4.1.36    4 days ago

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TᵢG
Professor Principal
4.1.39  TᵢG  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @4.1.33    4 days ago

Why are you jumping to Nixon?    He tried to coverup an illegal covert operation to gain competitive political information prior to the election.    He abused his power and obstructed justice.  While bad, that is not what I asked.

There is only one PotUS who employed fraud, coercion, lying, and incitement in an attempt to steal a US presidential election while violating the CotUS, his oath of office and disenfranchising the electorate.

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
4.1.40  Sparty On  replied to  TᵢG @4.1.37    4 days ago
Rather than answer my very simply question on history, you dishonestly change the question.

Nope, I answered your question very directly.     You said “only” POTUS.     Sorry but not even close to only Trump.

Try that bullshit on someone who doesn’t know better.

 
 
 
Sparty On
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4.1.41  Sparty On  replied to  Sparty On @4.1.40    4 days ago

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TᵢG
Professor Principal
4.1.42  TᵢG  replied to  Sparty On @4.1.35    4 days ago

Major league deflection ... 'Trump is no worse than any other former PotUS'.    And you think challenging crap like that is 'hassling'?     

 
 
 
Sparty On
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4.1.43  Sparty On  replied to  Sparty On @4.1.29    4 days ago

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TᵢG
Professor Principal
4.1.44  TᵢG  replied to  Sparty On @4.1.40    4 days ago

If I thought you believed what you wrote I would think I was witnessing delusion.

I believe that I am simply witnessing partisan-driven dishonesty.

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
4.1.45  Sparty On  replied to  TᵢG @4.1.42    4 days ago
Trump is no worse than any other former PotUS'

Nope, your words not mine.    I was crystal clear noting that Trump is not alone.   I made no value judgement.

And I’ll remind you once again that you said ”only.”     Meaning only Trump.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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4.1.46  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Sparty On @4.1.43    4 days ago

say something of substance and you wont get deleted

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
4.1.47  Sparty On  replied to  TᵢG @4.1.44    4 days ago

Think what you want. I could care less. My point has been made.[]

 
 
 
Sparty On
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4.1.48  Sparty On  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.46    4 days ago

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Ed-NavDoc
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4.1.49  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  TᵢG @4.1.39    4 days ago

That was more of a tongue in cheek comment that I forgot to add the sarc tag to. Sorry.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
4.1.50  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Sparty On @4.1.48    4 days ago

not substance

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
4.1.51  TᵢG  replied to  Sparty On @4.1.47    4 days ago
 My point has been made.

Always the same.   Failure to rebut ultimately results in you claiming that you made your point and that you were right.

On my question:

Who then is the only PotUS in our history who employed fraud, coercion, lying, and incitement in an attempt to steal a US presidential election while violating the CotUS, his oath of office and disenfranchising the electorate?

The singular answer is Trump.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
4.1.52  CB  replied to  TᵢG @4.1.22    4 days ago

A good salesman accents the positives of his product; farRight and farLeft extremists accent the negatives. A critical thinker strives to accent the truth which sometimes is still 'lacing up' to go as lies, mis-leadings, and disinformation is 'fast-clipping' it across the country and the world.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
4.1.53  CB  replied to  Sparty On @4.1.23    4 days ago

Oh look! Hillary's being brought out of retirement for yet another 'public' beating. As for a 'head-case,' in my mind's imagining I can see Donald going around to 'every' street corner telling anybody who is willing to listen he won on "VICTORIOUS!" participation points in 2020.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
4.1.54  CB  replied to  Sparty On @4.1.32    4 days ago

False equivalency. I am pretty sure Trumpists cannot, with a straight-face anyway, tell a, well -er'. . . disinformation (it will start a new separate count category for Trumpists lies about Donald's lies) that Biden has uttered daily lies that reach the proportions of Donald, a world-class SUPREME LIAR: 

Here read ravenously : (Do take stock of the date! Donald's been 'hard' at work lying since.)

Trump’s false or misleading claims total 30,573 over 4 years
Analysis by Glenn Kessler, Salvador Rizzo and Meg Kelly

January 24, 20 21  

When The Washington Post Fact Checker team first started cataloguing President Donald Trump’s false or misleading claims, we recorded 492 suspect claims in the first 100 days of his presidency. On Nov. 2 alone, the day before the 2020 vote, Trump made 503 false or misleading claims as he barnstormed across the country in a desperate effort to win reelection.

This astonishing jump in falsehoods is the story of Trump’s tumultuous reign. By the end of his term, Trump had accumulated 30,573 untruths during his presidency — averaging about 21 erroneous claims a day. What is especially striking is how the tsunami of untruths kept rising the longer he served as president and became increasingly unmoored from the truth. 

Trump averaged about six claims a day in his first year as president, 16 claims day in his second year, 22 claims day in this third year — and 39 claims a day in his final year. Put another way, it took him 27 months to reach 10,000 claims and an additional 14 months to reach 20,000. He then exceeded the 30,000 mark less than five months later.

Read our full report on the database.
See the pace of Trump’s false claims in this amazing visual graphic.
Visit the Trump claims database website and explore it. The database has an extremely fast search engine that will quickly locate suspect statements made by Trump.

Readers can also isolate claims by time period, subject or venue.

The fact checks in the database amount to about 5 million words and many include links to sources that debunk T rump’s statements.

[GO HERE NOW>>>>>]   Trump’s false or misleading claims total 30,573 over 4 years - The Washington Post (house.gov)


There is no decent excuse to foist Donald off on the decent, truth-seeking people of this country; except greed, selfish indulgences, and hatred of the so-called, "Others." 

If ever we need a God on our side; it's now! God! We need positive intervention now!

Even in 2021, this tracker was called, "An Untruth Tracker For The Ages!"  

How The Washington Post Fact Checker tracked Trump?s false and misleading claims during his presidency - The Washington Pos t

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
4.1.55  Sparty On  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.50    4 days ago

Still childlike in nature

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
4.1.56  Sparty On  replied to  TᵢG @4.1.51    4 days ago
The singular answer is Trump.

The denial at play in your comment is palpable.

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
4.1.57  Sparty On  replied to  CB @4.1.54    4 days ago

I deal in reality friend.    Not fantasy.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
4.1.58  CB  replied to  Sparty On @4.1.57    4 days ago

Well, I'm not so sure of that! Your comment apparently come without an objective 'tracker.'

 
 
 
Sparty On
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4.1.59  Sparty On  replied to  CB @4.1.58    4 days ago

Reality is …. Well ….. reality

 
 
 
CB
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4.1.60  CB  replied to  Sparty On @4.1.59    4 days ago

Yes, reality is. Doubletalk is more like what is transpiring now. I am not interested in any more of that! You may have the last word, nevertheless. 

 
 
 
Sparty On
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4.1.61  Sparty On  replied to  CB @4.1.60    4 days ago
You may have the last word, nevertheless. 

lol …..the passive aggression is getting thick in here again …..

Doubletalk is more like what is transpiring now.

Nope, don’t think so but I am familiar with Doublespeak.     See that in here nearly every day.    Mostly from my friends on the left.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
4.1.62  Trout Giggles  replied to  Sparty On @4.1.40    4 days ago
employed fraud, coercion, lying, and incitement in an attempt to steal a US presidential election while violating the CotUS, his oath of office and disenfranchising the electorate?

Can you think of one other POTUS who tried to steal an election? That's the question TiG answered.

I am beginning to think that you are only here to read the words you type on a screen.*

*to the mods, I'm sure that's ticket-able and I will take it like a WOMAN!

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
4.1.63  Tessylo  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.24    4 days ago

It's Clinton Derangement Syndrome.

All some have

With Hunter Biden Derangement Syndrome probably thrown in

 
 
 
Tessylo
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4.1.64  Tessylo  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.30    4 days ago

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Trout Giggles
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4.1.65  Trout Giggles  replied to  CB @4.1.54    4 days ago

21 times a day?? I would be perpetually exhausted trying to keep up with all of them

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
4.1.66  Tessylo  replied to  Sparty On @4.1.23    4 days ago

No, we have moved on - Hillary has moved on - Hillary moved on the day after the former 'president' received the higher electoral vote count - NOT THE POPULAR VOTE.

She has moved on.  Apparently her haters have not.  Like the former 'president' who lost HOW MANY YEARS AGO AND IS STILL CLAIMING IT WON?

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
4.1.67  Tessylo  replied to  Sparty On @4.1.25    4 days ago

Sounds like some hive minded 'thinking' drone nonsense there.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
4.1.68  Tessylo  replied to  TᵢG @4.1.39    4 days ago

The endless deflection plus defense of the indefensible is so tiresome

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
4.1.69  Tessylo  replied to  Sparty On @4.1.57    4 days ago

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Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
4.1.70  Trout Giggles  replied to  Tessylo @4.1.67    3 days ago

No,no,no! We're the hive minded drones! Don;t make that error again!

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
4.1.71  Tessylo  replied to  Trout Giggles @4.1.70    3 days ago

That's the projection one of my fans likes to promote

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
4.1.72  CB  replied to  Trout Giggles @4.1.65    3 days ago

We all are. I used to ask before and will resume asking again:

How does anybody, world leaders included, know when Donald is telling the truth?

It is a damnable state of affairs when a political is so 'ragged' that its only solution is to run a sick, suffering, liar-criminal as its choice to lead the world! 

That being the GOP model, then any corrupt leader, other corrupt leaders, around the world can say that the United States has decided that it can't beat 'em without corruption so it joined 'em! 

And our SCOTUS just played its sorry set of six conservative asses right into the aforementioned narrative!

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
4.1.73  Sparty On  replied to  Tessylo @4.1.69    3 days ago

Glad I could lighten your load for a hot minute.

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
4.1.74  Sparty On  replied to  Tessylo @4.1.67    3 days ago

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.    Thx, you are the best.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
4.1.75  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Trout Giggles @4.1.62    3 days ago
I am beginning to think that you are only here to read the words you type on a screen.*

well put

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
4.1.76  Sparty On  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.75    3 days ago

Opinions do vary

 
 
 
Gsquared
Professor Principal
4.2  Gsquared  replied to  Greg Jones @4    6 days ago

See Comment #6, below.

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Guide
4.3  MrFrost  replied to  Greg Jones @4    6 days ago
Biden

You misspelled trump. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
4.3.1  Tessylo  replied to  MrFrost @4.3    4 days ago

It's a kind of dyslexia among the defenders of the indefensible

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
4.3.2  Tessylo  replied to  Tessylo @4.3.1    4 days ago

and the projectors of projection

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
4.4  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Greg Jones @4    4 days ago
So what is Joe Biden’s net worth? According to   Forbes , Biden is worth $10 million. Per the magazine, most of Biden’s wealth is in his real estate. He owns two homes in Delaware, which are worth $4 million combined. Forbes also notes that he and his wife, Jil Biden, have “cash and investments worth another $4 million or so” as well as a $1 million federal pension.
 
 
 
Nerm_L
Professor Expert
5  Nerm_L    6 days ago

Nothing said in the article is new.  Voters know much, much more about Trump than they usually do about any candidate (or President).  Voters know more about Trump than they do about Biden.  And Biden has held elected office for 50 years.

Democrats can certainly run on a comparison of character if they wish.  But Democrats won't get away with being just a little better than Trump.  Democrats made defeating Trump a morality play.  And that really has raised the bar on expectations for Democrats.  

A Democrat that lies is no better than Trump.  A Democrat that profits while in government employ is no better than Trump.  A Democrat that places winning reelection above the concerns of voters is no better than Trump.  A Democrat that serves the party before the people is no better than Trump.  

Democrats really have raised expectations for themselves.  And that, ladies and gentlemen, is not Trump's fault.  You'd think Democrats would have figured this out by now.  What do the polls tell us?

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
5.1  Texan1211  replied to  Nerm_L @5    6 days ago

Well, yeah, of course all that is true, but Trump is so much worse!

/s

 
 
 
Nerm_L
Professor Expert
5.1.1  Nerm_L  replied to  Texan1211 @5.1    6 days ago
Well, yeah, of course all that is true, but Trump is so much worse!

Yep, that's what Democrats (particularly Biden) has been telling voters.  So, why is Biden sinking in the polls?  It doesn't look like Democrats are winning the morality argument.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
5.1.2  Texan1211  replied to  Nerm_L @5.1.1    6 days ago

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Nerm_L
Professor Expert
5.1.3  Nerm_L  replied to  Texan1211 @5.1.2    6 days ago
Well, the most devout Biden voters will tell us that it is MAGA'S FAULT, the mean media, Trump, Putin...

Democrats want us to believe history in on the wrong side.  Guess that's why they have to rewrite it.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
5.1.4  Texan1211  replied to  Nerm_L @5.1.3    6 days ago
Democrats want us to believe history in on the wrong side.  Guess that's why they have to rewrite it.

Good as a reason as any, I suppose.

 
 
 
George
Junior Expert
5.2  George  replied to  Nerm_L @5    6 days ago
What do the polls tell us?

Trump +6

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/03/us/politics/poll-debate-biden-trump.html

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
5.3  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Nerm_L @5    6 days ago
Nothing said in the article is new. 

Is Donald Trump fit to hold office in the United States of America?  We can go down the list in the article one by one if you like. 

Why hasn't the Republican Party and its high profile members called for Trump to drop out as a presidential candidate? Its a simple question. 

 
 
 
Greg Jones
Professor Participates
5.3.1  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @5.3    6 days ago

And the simple answer is that a large number of Americans don't agree with your biased and emotional assessment of Trump. Many of us believe that Biden and his ilk, and the far-left radical progressives who control him are a much greater threat to our democracy and national security than Trump and the Republicans. 

The Democrats have foolishly painted themselves into a corner from which there is no escape. If they had tried to work with Trump during his first term to find common ground and do what's best for the county instead of fighting him at every turn and repeated trying to oust him, we'd all be better off today.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
5.3.2  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Greg Jones @5.3.1    6 days ago

We will give your words due consideration. 

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
Professor Guide
5.3.3  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  Greg Jones @5.3.1    6 days ago

If they had tried to work with Trump during his first term to find common ground and do what's best for the county instead of fighting him at every turn and repeated trying to oust him, we'd all be better off today.

You have got to be joking.  If Democrats were to find common ground with Trump on anything it would reflexively become uncommon ground with the Republican Party.  It happens all the time, where Republicans vote not only against their own interests, but against that which they were previously cheerleading for!  Your statement is gaslighting trash and you know it.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
5.3.4  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @5.3    6 days ago
Why hasn't the Republican Party and its high profile members called for Trump to drop out as a presidential candidate? Its a simple question. 

Why haven't leading Democrats called for Biden to step down or bow out of the race?

It's a simple question....................

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Senior Expert
5.3.5  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Texan1211 @5.3.4    6 days ago
Why haven't leading Democrats called for Biden to step down or bow out of the race?

My Senator wants to start that tomorrow.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
Professor Expert
5.3.6  Nerm_L  replied to  JohnRussell @5.3    6 days ago
Is Donald Trump fit to hold office in the United States of America?  We can go down the list in the article one by one if you like.  Why hasn't the Republican Party and its high profile members called for Trump to drop out as a presidential candidate? Its a simple question.

Joe Biden has set the precedent for fitness to serve.  Democrats can check the box on another first.

Just imagine, an 81 year old President hosting the 75th anniversary celebration of NATO while a war rages in Europe.  Kinda says it all about fitness to serve, doesn't it?

(BTW, high ranking Republicans have called for Trump to leave the race -- in 2016, 2020, and now 2024.  Trump stood up and kicked ass to whip Republicans into line.  Don't blame Republicans because the Democratic Party is being led by a kumquat.)

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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5.3.7  Right Down the Center  replied to  JohnRussell @5.3.2    5 days ago
We will give your words due consideration. 

I sincerely doubt that.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
5.3.8  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  JohnRussell @5.3.2    4 days ago

"We will give your words due consideration."

Have swine sprouted wings yet?/s

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
5.3.9  Texan1211  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @5.3.8    4 days ago

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Sparty On
Professor Principal
5.4  Sparty On  replied to  Nerm_L @5    6 days ago

“The likelihood there’s going to be the Taliban overrunning everything and owning the whole country is highly unlikely,”

- Joe Biden, 07/08/21

 
 
 
Krishna
Professor Expert
5.5  Krishna  replied to  Nerm_L @5    5 days ago
A Democrat that profits while in government employ is no better than Trump.

I'm wondering-- how many members of Congress (of both parties) have not profited greatly from their positions in gov't?

(Ditto governors, other elected officials).

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
5.6  Ozzwald  replied to  Nerm_L @5    3 days ago
Voters know much, much more about Trump than they usually do about any candidate (or President).  Voters know more about Trump than they do about Biden.

You mean other than his tax returns???

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
5.6.1  Texan1211  replied to  Ozzwald @5.6    3 days ago
You mean other than his tax returns???

No other than your own tax returns is your business.

You have no right to see private financial info on ANYone.

 
 
 
Gsquared
Professor Principal
6  Gsquared    6 days ago
What's he really done for the average American lately? 

Here is a partial list:

  • Lowering Costs of Families' Everyday Expenses.
  • More People Are Working Than At Any Point in American History.
  • Making More in America.
  • Rescued the Economy and Changed the Course of the Pandemic.
  • Rebuilding our Infrastructure.
  • Historic Expansion of Benefits and Services for Toxic Exposed Veterans.

For a more comprehensive list with details follow this link: 

How did he and his extended family get to be so rich on a Senator's salary and 4 yeas (sic) as VP. 

President Biden's estimated worth is approximately $10,000,000, the majority of which (approximately $7,000,000) apparently comes from the two homes he owns.  Real estate can be a very good investment.  He also derived a decent sum from speaking engagements when he was no longer in office after his Vice-Presidency, and more from book sales.  $10,000,000 is a very nice amount, but not so rich compared to some.  About 6% of American households are worth $10,000,000 or more.

NOTE:  This was intended to be in response to Comment #4 .

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
6.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Gsquared @6    6 days ago
President Biden's estimated worth is approximately $10,000,000, the majority of which (approximately $7,000,000) apparently comes from the two homes he owns.  Real estate can be a very good investment.  He also derived a decent sum from speaking engagements when he was no longer in office after his Vice-Presidency, and more from book sales.  $10,000,000 is a very nice amount, but not so rich compared to some.  About 6% of American households are worth $10,000,000 or more.

They like the conspiracy theories better. 

 
 
 
bugsy
Professor Participates
6.2  bugsy  replied to  Gsquared @6    6 days ago
  • Lowering Costs of Families' Everyday Expenses.
  • More People Are Working Than At Any Point in American History.
  • Making More in America.
  • Rescued the Economy and Changed the Course of the Pandemic.
  • Rebuilding our Infrastructure.
  • Historic Expansion of Benefits and Services for Toxic Exposed Veterans.

1. Yes, inflation has lowered from a national high of 9 percent (Bidenomics)to around 4 percent now. Who cares about those days where Trump had inflation less than 2 percent? It's all about Biden lowering from 9 to 4 percent. Great job, eh?

2. Proof? and not a quote from the White House link. Of course there are more people working today than ever. The population of the country is higher than ever

3. Wages are higher, but inflation makes it that people are actually making less. Great job, Joe ?(Bidenomics)

4. At the heels of Trump early coming out of the pandemic. He did not change the course. He actually had more deaths from COVID than Trump, even with three vaccinations and mandatory vaccines or lose your job. 

5. Proof? The "Build back better" plan actually increased the deficit by trillions.

6. Proof,? but if it is actually true, then I will give him this one, even though he probably knows nothing of it.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Senior Expert
6.3  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Gsquared @6    6 days ago

For this discussion, let’s assume it true.

Presidents aren’t elected on what they’ve done but on what they intend to do.  If the public and the donors, right or wrong, don’t think that you have the stamina to do the job, you lose.

That is where the Biden campaign is at.  They’ve done a terrible job of reversing that since the debate.  So bad that more and more think that it’s Biden and not his team.

The Congress returns tomorrow and more Dems will join the circular firing squad.  It will be a sad ending.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
6.3.1  Texan1211  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @6.3    6 days ago
The Congress returns tomorrow and more Dems will join the circular firing squad.

The absolute hatred and fear of Trump will keep some Democrats toeing the party line.

They may KNOW he isn't right, but after squawking about how wonderful Joe is, they can't exactly expose their own lies now, can they?

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
6.3.2  Sparty On  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @6.3    6 days ago
circular firing squad

Marine Corps version:

512

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
6.3.3  Sparty On  replied to  Texan1211 @6.3.1    6 days ago

Democrat = the party of rage

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Senior Expert
6.3.4  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Sparty On @6.3.2    6 days ago

Or bayonet squad.  Good photo.

If you are ever in DC, The Silent Drill Platoon, The USMC Band and the Marines stationed at 8th and I put on a great show.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Senior Expert
6.3.5  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Texan1211 @6.3.1    6 days ago

I will be very surprised if Joe remains the nominee.  The only way Joe can remain a viable candidate is if he started doing unscripted town halls, campaign dinners without teleprompters and rallies.  He doesn’t seem up to it and this could be counter productive.

Harris is the Dem most logical choice.  As VP, she can claim continuity, has access to campaign dollars and if shoved aside, the campaign would lose to much Black support.

Not picking her would also set up a big battle among contenders without an clean way to pick one.

If Joe is now what we’re seeing over the last 10 days, then Harris is the best Dem bet.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
6.3.6  Texan1211  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @6.3.5    6 days ago
If Joe is now what we’re seeing over the last 10 days, then Harris is the best Dem bet.

And that is just a pitiful problem to have.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
6.3.7  TᵢG  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @6.3.5    6 days ago

I have reluctantly come to the same conclusion that if Biden steps aside, Harris will be the nominee.

One bright note is that Harris would have the opportunity to pick a sterling running mate such as Josh Shapiro or Tim Walz.   This would provide gravitas and produce a substantially stronger ticket than Biden+Harris.

I have not, however, seen any indication that Biden will step aside.   I think he is in deep denial (his family too).

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Senior Expert
6.3.8  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  TᵢG @6.3.7    6 days ago
I think he is in deep denial (his family too).

Agree, they are in the 1st stage of the Kubler-Ross model and have three more stages before they get to acceptance.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
6.3.9  Texan1211  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @6.3.5    6 days ago
I will be very surprised if Joe remains the nominee.

The Biden sycophants are very devoted and wield much power in Democratic circles.

I think they are stuck with Biden and he probably, inexplicably, is their only hope.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Senior Expert
6.3.10  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Texan1211 @6.3.6    6 days ago

Yesterday, I thought back to when the special counsel investigating Biden’s mishandling of classified documents was wrapping it up.  I looked up what Hur said about not prosecuting, that a jury would view the president as “a sympathetic, well-meaning, elderly man with a poor memory”.

We are all seeing now what Hur saw during his interview.

Biden’s aides can no longer hide it. Pushing back with sound bites isn’t good enough.  Biden would have to demonstrate that it was just a bad night.  His performance since then has only reinforced what was exposed then.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
6.3.11  Texan1211  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @6.3.10    6 days ago
Biden’s aides can no longer hide it. Pushing back with sound bites isn’t good enough.  Biden would have to demonstrate that it was just a bad night.  His performance since then has only reinforced what was exposed then

They will try to keep Biden insulated and isolated as much as possible.

His fawning fans demand it. I don't think Biden CAN demonstrate that debate night was just a one-off because almost EVERY time Biden goes off-script, he says something unintelligible.

This "interview" was just a pitiful display of desperation.

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
6.3.12  Sparty On  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @6.3.4    5 days ago

Evening Parade.    Must see “bucket list” TV

 
 
 
MonsterMash
Sophomore Quiet
6.3.13  MonsterMash  replied to  TᵢG @6.3.7    5 days ago
I have not, however, seen any indication that Biden will step aside.

Do you think Biden should step aside for the good of the country and the Democratic party?

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Senior Expert
6.3.14  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Sparty On @6.3.12    5 days ago

“If the Lord Almighty said get out of the race, I’d get out of the race,” Biden told George Stephanopoulos. “The Lord Almighty’s not coming down.”

To hedge his bet, Biden campaigned at a Black church today.  So much for the separation of church and state.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
6.3.15  TᵢG  replied to  MonsterMash @6.3.13    5 days ago

It boils down to ensuring Trump is never elected PotUS.   

So to me, whoever is best to accomplish that task should be the D nominee.   If that means Biden stepping aside to allow a stronger, younger, candidate with a better chance of winning then that is what should happen. 

The problem though is that replacing the presumptive nominee this late in the season is uncharted territory.   It is very difficult to determine if it is better to stick with Biden or go with someone else.

It would help to assess the likelihood of success if we knew who that 'someone else' might be.   

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
6.3.16  Sparty On  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @6.3.14    5 days ago
So much for the separation of church and state.

Lol

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
6.3.17  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @6.3.4    4 days ago

Or you can go to MCAS Yuma, AZ during the winter months, which is where they practice. Watched some great performances there during the mid to late 70's when I was there.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
6.3.18  Ozzwald  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @6.3.14    3 days ago
So much for the separation of church and state.

Hypocrite much?

26pol-swiper-trump-bibles-01-mediumSquareAt3X.jpg Screen-Shot-2024-03-28-at-10.31.39-AM.t66057920.m2048.png.pv_.xrqPWa_DU-e1711638441508.jpg

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Senior Expert
6.3.19  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Ozzwald @6.3.18    3 days ago
Hypocrite much?

If you're asking me, no.  I've never supported Trump and I don't attend or am a member of a church.

Confused much?

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
6.3.20  Ozzwald  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @6.3.19    3 days ago
I've never supported Trump and I don't attend or am a member of a church.

You support him an awful lot in these forums...

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Senior Expert
6.3.21  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Ozzwald @6.3.20    3 days ago
You support him an awful lot in these forums...

Find one example and post it.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
6.3.22  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @6.3.21    3 days ago

Good luck. All you'll hear are crickets chirping.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
6.3.23  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @6.3.14    3 days ago

Biden is a master at pandering.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
6.3.25  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @6.3.21    3 days ago

Don'cha know? If you diss Biden you also need to diss Trump or you are a Trump supporter...............according to several of our Biden supporters.

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
6.3.26  Sparty On  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @6.3.17    3 days ago

Interesting.    Didn’t know that.    I’ve been lucky to see two Evening Parades in DC.    Once while in OCS and once much later in life.    It’s an impressive show.     Especially the inspection arms drill ….

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
6.3.27  Sparty On  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @6.3.23    3 days ago

You don’t last over 50 years in politics without being a master of that.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
6.3.28  Trout Giggles  replied to  Ozzwald @6.3.18    3 days ago

How many times is the USA mentioned in the Bible?

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
6.3.29  Sparty On  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @6.3.25    3 days ago

If you don’t snarl and spit like a rabid dog at the mere mention of Trump, you are an avid Trump supporter according to some of our friends here

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
6.3.30  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Sparty On @6.3.29    3 days ago

For some of the crowd here, exactly!

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
6.3.31  Ozzwald  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @6.3.25    2 days ago
If you diss Biden you also need to diss Trump or you are a Trump supporter.

You came so close to a truthful response.

If you diss Biden for doing something but ignore it when Trump does the same or worse, you are a Trump supporter.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
6.3.32  Texan1211  replied to  Ozzwald @6.3.31    2 days ago

That comment is plain false.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Senior Expert
6.3.33  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Ozzwald @6.3.31    2 days ago
you are a Trump supporter.

Have you found one supportive comment after claiming that I frequently make them?

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
6.3.34  Texan1211  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @6.3.33    2 days ago

One of THE most ignorant claims is that criticism of Biden shows support for Trump.

Totally out there in space.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
6.3.35  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Texan1211 @6.3.34    2 days ago

oh please, no one here believes you

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
6.3.36  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @6.3.35    2 days ago

This may well come as a surprise to you, but MY life doesn't hang on if some anonymous folks believe me or not.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
6.3.37  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Texan1211 @6.3.36    2 days ago

yada yada yada

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
6.3.38  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @6.3.37    2 days ago

Great comment!

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
6.3.39  Texan1211  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @6.3.33    2 days ago

I bet not, just like when they claim we say things we didn't and get called out to supply a quote to back their claim up.

Zip coming 

 
 
 
Igknorantzruls
Freshman Quiet
6.3.40  Igknorantzruls  replied to  Texan1211 @6.3.39    2 days ago

Do you think anyone that reads your consistent commentary, feels you are an equal non supporter of the two candidates that we are currently anticipating to be on the ballot ?

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
6.3.41  Texan1211  replied to  Igknorantzruls @6.3.40    2 days ago

Don't know, don't give a fuck.

 
 
 
Igknorantzruls
Freshman Quiet
6.3.42  Igknorantzruls  replied to  Texan1211 @6.3.41    2 days ago

yea sure, and yea sure

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
6.3.43  Texan1211  replied to  Igknorantzruls @6.3.42    2 days ago

Why would I care if some yahoo believes me or not?

 
 
 
Igknorantzruls
Freshman Quiet
6.3.44  Igknorantzruls  replied to  Texan1211 @6.3.43    2 days ago
Why would I care if some yahoo believes me or not?

I don't think your group of vote uppers appreciate that kind of description

 
 
 
Texan1211
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6.3.45  Texan1211  replied to  Igknorantzruls @6.3.44    2 days ago

Let's ponder that for a minute, shall we?

If they vote my comment up. there is an excellent chance they believe me. It is the ones who refuse to that I don't give a damn about.

 
 
 
Freewill
Junior Quiet
6.4  Freewill  replied to  Gsquared @6    3 days ago
Lowering Costs of Families' Everyday Expenses.

Unfortunately, this one is simply not true.  See THIS article from Yahoo Finance, based on data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

Prices as measured by the seasonally adjusted Consumer Price Index (CPI) are now up over 19.4% in the three-plus years since Biden took office.
For comparison's sake, prices rose just under 7.8% during the four years of Donald Trump's presidency.

Wage increases have totaled only 14.1% over the same time period, so it is not true that those increases have made up for inflation and certainly not for those on the lower end of the wage scale. 

Another example came just this week in   an exclusive interview with Yahoo Finance . During that conversation, Biden was pushed on America's sour economic mood.

In his response, he discussed prices and repeated a false claim that inflation "was at 9% when I came in and it's now down around 3%." Biden   made a similar claim previously on CNN .

In fact, the year-over-year inflation rate when he took office was 1.4%. Prices did then rise after Biden's inauguration and reached 9.1% — but that peak came in June 2022 after Biden had been in office for over a year.

Now clearly such economic scenarios cannot be completely blamed on, or touted by, a President as there are so many variables beyond their control.  But in this case Biden's administration is making the claim when the facts and data clearly show it is not accurate.

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
7  JBB    6 days ago

Why can't Trump's family convince him to drop out, for the good of the country and everyone in it?

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
7.1  Texan1211  replied to  JBB @7    6 days ago

Same reason Biden's family doesn't convince him?????

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
7.2  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  JBB @7    6 days ago

Dad is the gravy train.

 
 
 
George
Junior Expert
7.2.1  George  replied to  JohnRussell @7.2    6 days ago

Exactly! The family gets rich selling access to Dad and only has to give Joe 10%, for the big guy.

 
 
 
Igknorantzruls
Freshman Quiet
7.2.2  Igknorantzruls  replied to  JohnRussell @7.2    6 days ago
gravy train.

wasnt that a dog food ?

 
 
 
George
Junior Expert
7.2.3  George  replied to  Igknorantzruls @7.2.2    6 days ago

Still is.

 
 
 
Igknorantzruls
Freshman Quiet
7.2.4  Igknorantzruls  replied to  George @7.2.3    6 days ago

i was thinking of the one with the mini stage coach, Chuck Wagon, but yep, thanks for confirming, as Gravy Train come up as well

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Senior Guide
7.4  Right Down the Center  replied to  JBB @7    5 days ago

Why do so many folks on the left say what folks on the right need to do?  Is their house in order?

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
7.4.1  TᵢG  replied to  Right Down the Center @7.4    5 days ago

It should be obvious that neither house is in order.   Thus it should be obvious that Rs and Ds will point out the flaws in the other's 'house'.   Because, you know, that is pretty much how politics works.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
7.4.2  CB  replied to  TᵢG @7.4.1    5 days ago

It's called, 'making a sales pitch' and it is a shame that do this matters much more than relying on efficiency in politics.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
7.4.3  Trout Giggles  replied to  CB @7.4.2    4 days ago

Well, either way, we're sending a lemon to the White House

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
7.4.4  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Trout Giggles @7.4.3    3 days ago

Got that right.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
7.4.5  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  TᵢG @7.4.1    2 days ago

You hit the nail right on the proverbial head with that one.

 
 
 
GregTx
Professor Guide
8  GregTx    6 days ago
President Joe Biden's debate performance was a disaster. His disjointed responses and dazed look sparked calls for him to drop out of the presidential race. But....
 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
8.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  GregTx @8    6 days ago
But ????????????????????????????

Ok, you want a "but" ? Here is the "but"

Trump, 78, has been on the political stage for eight years marked by chaos, corruption, and incivility. Why go back to that?

To build himself up, Trump constantly tears the country down. There is no shining city on the hill. It's just mourning in America.

Throughout the debate, Trump repeatedly said we are a "failing" country. He called the United States a "third world nation." He said, "we're living in hell" and "very close to World War III."

"People are dying all over the place," Trump said, later adding "we're literally an uncivilized country now."

Trump told more than 30 lies during the debate to go with the more than 30,000 mistruths told during his four years as president. He dodged the CNN moderators' questions, took no responsibility for his actions, and blamed others, mainly Biden, for everything that is wrong in the world.

Trump's response to the Jan. 6, 2021, insurrection he fueled was farcical. He said a "relatively small number of people" went to the Capitol and many were "ushered in by the police."

After scheming to overturn the 2020 election, Trump refused to say if he would accept the results of the 2024 election. Unless, of course, he wins.

The debate served as a reminder of what another four years of Trump would look like. More lies, grievance, narcissism, and hate. Supporters say they like Trump because he says whatever he thinks. But he mainly spews raw sewage.

Trump attacks the military. He denigrates the Justice Department and judges. He belittles the FBI and the CIA. He picks fights with allies and cozies up to dictators.

Trump is an unserious carnival barker running for the most serious job in the world. During his last term, Trump served himself and not the American people.

Trump spent chunks of time watching TV, tweeting, and hanging out at his country clubs. Over his four-year term, Trump played roughly 261 rounds of golf.

As president, Trump didn't read the daily intelligence briefs. He continued to use his personal cell phone, allowing Chinese spies to listen to his calls. During one Oval Office meeting, Trump shared highly classified intelligence with the Russian foreign minister and ambassador.

Trump's term did plenty of damage and had few accomplishments. The much-hyped wall didn't get built. Infrastructure week was a recurring joke. Giant tax cuts made the rich richer, while fueling massive deficits for others to pay for years. His support for coal, oil drilling, and withdrawal from the Paris Agreement worsened the growing impact of climate change.

Trump stacked the judiciary with extreme judges consisting mainly of white males, including a number who the American Bar Association rated as not qualified. A record number of cabinet officials were fired or left the office. The West Wing was in constant chaos and infighting.

Many Trump appointees exited under a cloud of corruption, grifting, and ethical scandals. Trump's children made millions off the White House. His dilettante son-in-law got $2 billion from the Saudi government for his fledgling investment firm even though he never managed money before.

Trump's mismanagement of the pandemic resulted in tens of thousands of needless deaths. He boasts about stacking the Supreme Court with extreme right-wingers who are stripping away individual rights, upending legal precedents, and making the country less safe. If elected, Trump may add to the court's conservative majority.

Of course, there were the unprecedented two impeachments. Now, Trump is a convicted felon who is staring at three more criminal indictments. He is running for president to stay out of prison.

If anything, Trump doesn't deserve to be on the presidential debate stage. Why even give him a platform?

Trump allegedly stole classified information and tried to overturn an election. His plans for a second term are worse than the last one. We cannot be serious about letting such a crooked clown back in the White House.

That should be "but" enough for you and anyone else, although somehow I doubt it will be. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
8.1.2  TᵢG  replied to  JohnRussell @8.1    5 days ago

IMO ...

Most Trump supporters will not even read what you wrote.   Those who do will knee-jerk a nuh-uh response and continue with daily confirmation bias.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
8.1.3  Trout Giggles  replied to  TᵢG @8.1.2    5 days ago

They don't read what either of you write. They just start posting nonsense

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
8.1.4  CB  replied to  TᵢG @8.1.2    5 days ago

This morning I have awaken thinking about merry-go-rounds.

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
8.1.5  Sparty On  replied to  TᵢG @8.1.2    5 days ago

Opinions do vary.    Mine is that many here get triggered simply by differing opinions and work overtime to push their opinions as fact.

 
 
 
MrFrost
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9  MrFrost    6 days ago
To Serve His Country, Donald Trump Should Leave The Race

He should leave the country. 

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
9.2  Trout Giggles  replied to  MrFrost @9    5 days ago

Here! Here!

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
9.3  Tessylo  replied to  MrFrost @9    4 days ago

Like someone said above, the human race

 
 
 
Robert in Ohio
Professor Guide
10  Robert in Ohio    5 days ago

To Serve His Country, Donald Trump Should Leave The Race | Editorial

I agree!

I also think that if you replace Trump with Biden in the headline that I still agree

To Serve His Country, Joe Biden Should Leave The Race | Editorial

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
10.1  TᵢG  replied to  Robert in Ohio @10    5 days ago

If only.   

Of course it is best for the nation to replace both Biden and Trump.   The odds of improving our situation are quite high.

 
 
 
Robert in Ohio
Professor Guide
10.1.1  Robert in Ohio  replied to  TᵢG @10.1    5 days ago

The odds of improving the lot of the country with either Trump or Biden is astronmical

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
10.2  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Robert in Ohio @10    2 days ago

Agree 100%. Both need to drop out immediately. Problem is that huge egos are involved with Trump and Biden.

 
 
 
Krishna
Professor Expert
11  Krishna    5 days ago

I have friends and aquaintances with varying political views. But there's one group that is unanimous in wanting Biden to be the Democratic presidential candidate.

(They're the Republicans).

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
11.1  Texan1211  replied to  Krishna @11    5 days ago

Might be right, but most Democrats will hold their nose and vote for Biden even though they can SEE what he has been reduced to.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
11.1.1  TᵢG  replied to  Texan1211 @11.1    5 days ago

Amazing that you seem to not understand why.   The reason people will hold their nose and vote for Biden is because Biden is a terrible candidate but Trump is far worse (an order of magnitude worse) and one of those two (at this point) will be the next president.

You continue to fail to understand this basic logic while insisting people would better use their vote by voting third party even though a viable third party has not emerged for 150 years.   And part of the reason for this is people like you (or what you claim) who wait until election day and then cast a third party vote.   They do nothing to create a viable party but somehow think that be sprinkling votes on election day to a handful of non-viable third parties that something good will magically happen.

Well ... Texan ... the magic does not happen.   A third party vote would make great sense if we had a viable third party.   A viable third party is one where there is, first and foremost, a dynamic, charismatic candidate who can break through the two-party barrier and charm the electorate.   On top of that, this candidate needs a highly funded third party (~$1 billion dollars to compete with the main parties), seasoned campaign managers, a well-trained and vast ground force, and a slew of well-connected officials to exploit at least some of the shortcuts enjoyed by the two major parties (e.g. free press, ability to debate, ...).

You are free (per your claim) to NOT vote for Trump and NOT vote for Biden.   But your criticism of others who are dealing with two shitty choices has no logical foundation;   that is, you are wrong.  

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
11.1.2  Texan1211  replied to  TᵢG @11.1.1    5 days ago
Amazing that you seem to not understand why. 

An ignorant comment.

Of course I understand partisans will be willing to hold their nose and vote for incompetency and be proud of it.

You continue to fail to understand

No, I get it.

Your continual utterance that I "just don't understand" whatever you post is old, tired, and devoid of thoughtful commentary.

You are free to vote for Joe despite your claim that you "wanted someone else".

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
11.1.3  TᵢG  replied to  Texan1211 @11.1.2    5 days ago
Of course I understand partisans will be willing to hold their nose and vote for incompetency and be proud of it.

No, it is not just partisans.   It is rational individuals who choose to use their vote to try to influence the 2024 election.

No, I get it.

Then write comments that illustrate that you get it.   Your comments repeatedly show that you do NOT get it.

In addition, you have no rebuttal.   You just deny.   Put forth a counterargument.   Let's see your logic for how you think voting third party in 2024 is going to make a difference.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
11.1.4  Texan1211  replied to  TᵢG @11.1.3    5 days ago
No, it is not just partisans. 

I didn't say JUST partisans--read what I wrote again. Argue THAT instead,

It is rational individuals who choose to use their vote to try to influence the 2024 election.

That is certainly debatable.

Then write comments that illustrate that you get it. 

I have.

In addition, you have no rebuttal.   You just deny.  

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TᵢG
Professor Principal
11.1.5  TᵢG  replied to  Texan1211 @11.1.4    5 days ago
I didn't say JUST partisans

And I took your vague statement and made a very clear statement.

You just proved yet again that you have no rebuttal.   Just nuh-uh or deflection.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
11.1.6  Texan1211  replied to  TᵢG @11.1.5    5 days ago

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