To serve his country, Donald Trump should leave the race | Editorial
By: The Editorial Board ( httpswww. inquirer. com)
S E E D E D C O N T E N T
President Joe Biden's debate performance was a disaster. His disjointed responses and dazed look sparked calls for him to drop out of the presidential race.
But lost in the hand wringing was Donald Trump's usual bombastic litany of lies, hyperbole, bigotry, ignorance, and fear mongering. His performance demonstrated once again that he is a danger to democracy and unfit for office.
In fact, the debate about the debate is misplaced. The only person who should withdraw from the race is Trump.
Trump, 78, has been on the political stage for eight years marked by chaos, corruption, and incivility. Why go back to that?
To build himself up, Trump constantly tears the country down. There is no shining city on the hill. It's just mourning in America.
Throughout the debate, Trump repeatedly said we are a "failing" country. He called the United States a "third world nation." He said, "we're living in hell" and "very close to World War III."
"People are dying all over the place," Trump said, later adding "we're literally an uncivilized country now."
Trump told more than 30 lies during the debate to go with the more than 30,000 mistruths told during his four years as president. He dodged the CNN moderators' questions, took no responsibility for his actions, and blamed others, mainly Biden, for everything that is wrong in the world.
Trump's response to the Jan. 6, 2021, insurrection he fueled was farcical. He said a "relatively small number of people" went to the Capitol and many were "ushered in by the police."
After scheming to overturn the 2020 election, Trump refused to say if he would accept the results of the 2024 election. Unless, of course, he wins.
The debate served as a reminder of what another four years of Trump would look like. More lies, grievance, narcissism, and hate. Supporters say they like Trump because he says whatever he thinks. But he mainly spews raw sewage.
Trump attacks the military. He denigrates the Justice Department and judges. He belittles the FBI and the CIA. He picks fights with allies and cozies up to dictators.
Trump is an unserious carnival barker running for the most serious job in the world. During his last term, Trump served himself and not the American people.
Trump spent chunks of time watching TV, tweeting, and hanging out at his country clubs. Over his four-year term, Trump played roughly 261 rounds of golf.
As president, Trump didn't read the daily intelligence briefs. He continued to use his personal cell phone, allowing Chinese spies to listen to his calls. During one Oval Office meeting, Trump shared highly classified intelligence with the Russian foreign minister and ambassador.
Trump's term did plenty of damage and had few accomplishments. The much-hyped wall didn't get built. Infrastructure week was a recurring joke. Giant tax cuts made the rich richer, while fueling massive deficits for others to pay for years. His support for coal, oil drilling, and withdrawal from the Paris Agreement worsened the growing impact of climate change.
Trump stacked the judiciary with extreme judges consisting mainly of white males, including a number who the American Bar Association rated as not qualified. A record number of cabinet officials were fired or left the office. The West Wing was in constant chaos and infighting.
Many Trump appointees exited under a cloud of corruption, grifting, and ethical scandals. Trump's children made millions off the White House. His dilettante son-in-law got $2 billion from the Saudi government for his fledgling investment firm even though he never managed money before.
Trump's mismanagement of the pandemic resulted in tens of thousands of needless deaths. He boasts about stacking the Supreme Court with extreme right-wingers who are stripping away individual rights, upending legal precedents, and making the country less safe. If elected, Trump may add to the court's conservative majority.
Of course, there were the unprecedented two impeachments. Now, Trump is a convicted felon who is staring at three more criminal indictments. He is running for president to stay out of prison.
If anything, Trump doesn't deserve to be on the presidential debate stage. Why even give him a platform?
Trump allegedly stole classified information and tried to overturn an election. His plans for a second term are worse than the last one. We cannot be serious about letting such a crooked clown back in the White House.
If anything, Trump doesn't deserve to be on the presidential debate stage. Why even give him a platform?
Yes, Biden had a horrible night. He's 81 and not as sharp as he used to be. But Biden on his worst day remains lightyears better than Trump on his best.
Biden must show that he is up to the job. This much is clear: He has a substantive record of real accomplishments, fighting the pandemic, combating climate change, investing in infrastructure, and supporting working families and the most vulnerable.
Biden has surrounded himself with experienced people who take public service seriously. He has passed major bipartisan legislation despite a dysfunctional Republican House majority.
Biden believes in the best of America. He has rebuilt relationships with allies around the world and stood up to foes like Russia and China.
There was only one person at the debate who does not deserve to be running for president. The sooner Trump exits the stage, the better off the country will be.
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Every word of this is true, but MAGA counters, "DEI".
Gotta look out for the whites.
Serving his country is not a priority for Trump.
Serving trump is his only priority
Biden is only interested in gaining wealth and retaining power. What's he really done for the average American lately?
How did he and his extended family get to be so rich on a Senator's salary and 4 yeas as VP. Was a lot of it kickbacks and bribes from Russian, Ukraine, and especially China?
What is Joe Biden’s net worth? (msn.com)
Incredible. No matter what Trump has done, no matter how clearly he shows that he is in this strictly for himself, no matter all the evidence that Trump is a lifelong con-man, you give him a pass and take every possible negative (even speculation) against Biden.
Your comment is the exact opposite of objective reasoning.
maybe greg didnt read the article
that would be my guess
I am sure you realize if you say something negative about Biden you are required to say something as bad or worse about Trump. S/
Incredible- not matter how treasonous Joe and his family are shown to have been. No matter how much they lie, cheat, steal, and abuse the system to their own ends. You defend him. He doesn't need your defense- the FBI, DOJ, and mainstream media already have that covered.
Both lie; except leftists give Joe a complete pass on his lies. If he is breathing and can get out a coherent sentence he is lying. Any unintelligible comments he makes are lies as well; but his demented brain cannot grasp the lie long enough to spit it out.
Based on your comments, you have created a fantasy world where every negative accusation of Biden you hold as true while ignoring every wrongdoing and negative characteristic of Trump.
I for one have been quite critical of Biden. But you ignore that and pretend that I operate like you but in reverse.
To some, anybody that says anything negative about Biden is automatically lumped into the pro Trump, pro MAGA, RWNJ crowd and there is no middle ground at all. One simply has to absolutely share and accept their views to have credibility in their eyes.
lol. you make dozens of comments against Biden for every one you make against Trump. This whole thing has become a farce.
Why are we keeping score?
True ... and JR has also made no attempt to hide the fact that he intends to vote for Biden. JR is thus quite consistent with his comment history.
You, on the other hand, pen almost exclusively negative comments about Biden with precious few abstract negatives regarding Trump and quite a few comments defending Trump. Yet you claim you will NOT vote for Trump. Quite a difference there between claimed intent and comment history.
JR's point, obviously, is that your claim that you will NOT vote for Trump is laughable given your comment history. It is simply not credible.
I think my explanation is clear. Any questions?
BTW, I totally support your claimed intention to NOT vote for Trump.
Is it a thang or a phenomenon particular to this site that so so so many of Trump's most prolific defenders, who also are among President Biden's harshest critics, claim they have never and will never vote for Trump? God forbid you describe them as MAGA!
I don’t know, do you have any comparisons with other sites?
Yeah it is interesting that Trump is the GOP presumptive nominee (the primary was not even close) and is leading in the polls yet very few GOP members and/or conservatives here are planning to vote for him.
It's nonsense. It's politiically gaslighting this place. It's old-fashioned propaganda, opportunistic, and psyops lying.
I heard a term being bandied about during the bru-ha-ha over the debate: Trumpism/Trumpist. (Sorry, true trumpet players.) Damn, Donald has made it a long damn way up the political ladder of 'infamy.' To the GOP's shame!
Don’t even start believing this place is a remotely accurate representation of the electorate. Lest you be very disappointed in November.
Yeah right. We 'lost' a special 'people's fish' during the last election (and some others too) all because of Donald's big 'win' in 2020. Not!
Statistically, it would be wrong to view this as a valid sampling of the electorate. So no, that is not my position.
I simply do not believe claims that one will not vote for Trump when one's comments (and seeds) are almost exclusively negative on Biden with precious few, mild, general negatives directed at Trump and plenty of comments defending Trump.
You know, just does not pass the old smell test.
You forget what started this chronic mania on the left. Trump had the temerity to beat the chosen one. Many have been psychologically off the rails since. Nearly eight years.
Now that is a seriously chronic malady.
Bigly
The only people who think about Hillary Clinton nowadays are people like you.
Many folks say nothing because they don’t want to get hassled by a liberal/conservative coalition here or elsewhere. I have no such fears but can agree with such sentiments. Sometimes it just isn’t worth hearing raging rants that seem to develop around discussions like that.
It can get old but the key is to not give a shit what the haters think. Know what I mean?
I’m a student of history. You should try it some time.
If someone engages on a social media forum that specializes in politics and makes aggressive, partisan commentary then they should expect rebuttal. If the rebuttal is viewed as being 'hassled' then they probably should consider a different forum where their feelings will not get hurt. An echo chamber like Truth Social might be the key.
Who then is the only PotUS in our history who employed fraud, coercion, lying, and incitement in an attempt to steal a US presidential election while violating the CotUS, his oath of office and disenfranchising the electorate?
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You could have fooled me. What about history would you like to discuss?
It’s childlike to believe that onlyTrump has lied, coerced and committed fraud as President. Hard to take a comment like that serious.
I wouldn't sell Richard M, Nixon short. He came pretty close.
Already have but you’d have to have the character and resilience to absorb the discussion and not just trigger it away.
They all do. Some worse than others but they all do. It’s politics.
What on Earth are you talking about? Man up? Man up to what?
Rather than answer my very simply question on history, you dishonestly change the question.
Here it is again:
Who then is the only PotUS in our history who employed fraud, coercion, lying, and incitement in an attempt to steal a US presidential election while violating the CotUS, his oath of office and disenfranchising the electorate?
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Why are you jumping to Nixon? He tried to coverup an illegal covert operation to gain competitive political information prior to the election. He abused his power and obstructed justice. While bad, that is not what I asked.
There is only one PotUS who employed fraud, coercion, lying, and incitement in an attempt to steal a US presidential election while violating the CotUS, his oath of office and disenfranchising the electorate.
Nope, I answered your question very directly. You said “only” POTUS. Sorry but not even close to only Trump.
Try that bullshit on someone who doesn’t know better.
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Major league deflection ... 'Trump is no worse than any other former PotUS'. And you think challenging crap like that is 'hassling'?
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If I thought you believed what you wrote I would think I was witnessing delusion.
I believe that I am simply witnessing partisan-driven dishonesty.
Nope, your words not mine. I was crystal clear noting that Trump is not alone. I made no value judgement.
And I’ll remind you once again that you said ”only.” Meaning only Trump.
say something of substance and you wont get deleted
Think what you want. I could care less. My point has been made.[✘]
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That was more of a tongue in cheek comment that I forgot to add the sarc tag to. Sorry.
not substance
Always the same. Failure to rebut ultimately results in you claiming that you made your point and that you were right.
On my question:
The singular answer is Trump.
A good salesman accents the positives of his product; farRight and farLeft extremists accent the negatives. A critical thinker strives to accent the truth which sometimes is still 'lacing up' to go as lies, mis-leadings, and disinformation is 'fast-clipping' it across the country and the world.
Oh look! Hillary's being brought out of retirement for yet another 'public' beating. As for a 'head-case,' in my mind's imagining I can see Donald going around to 'every' street corner telling anybody who is willing to listen he won on "VICTORIOUS!" participation points in 2020.
False equivalency. I am pretty sure Trumpists cannot, with a straight-face anyway, tell a, well -er'. . . disinformation (it will start a new separate count category for Trumpists lies about Donald's lies) that Biden has uttered daily lies that reach the proportions of Donald, a world-class SUPREME LIAR:
Here read ravenously : (Do take stock of the date! Donald's been 'hard' at work lying since.)
There is no decent excuse to foist Donald off on the decent, truth-seeking people of this country; except greed, selfish indulgences, and hatred of the so-called, "Others."
If ever we need a God on our side; it's now! God! We need positive intervention now!
Even in 2021, this tracker was called, "An Untruth Tracker For The Ages!"
How The Washington Post Fact Checker tracked Trump?s false and misleading claims during his presidency - The Washington Pos t
Still childlike in nature
The denial at play in your comment is palpable.
I deal in reality friend. Not fantasy.
Well, I'm not so sure of that! Your comment apparently come without an objective 'tracker.'
Reality is …. Well ….. reality
Yes, reality is. Doubletalk is more like what is transpiring now. I am not interested in any more of that! You may have the last word, nevertheless.
lol …..the passive aggression is getting thick in here again …..
Nope, don’t think so but I am familiar with Doublespeak. See that in here nearly every day. Mostly from my friends on the left.
Can you think of one other POTUS who tried to steal an election? That's the question TiG answered.
I am beginning to think that you are only here to read the words you type on a screen.*
*to the mods, I'm sure that's ticket-able and I will take it like a WOMAN!
It's Clinton Derangement Syndrome.
All some have
With Hunter Biden Derangement Syndrome probably thrown in
21 times a day?? I would be perpetually exhausted trying to keep up with all of them
No, we have moved on - Hillary has moved on - Hillary moved on the day after the former 'president' received the higher electoral vote count - NOT THE POPULAR VOTE.
She has moved on. Apparently her haters have not. Like the former 'president' who lost HOW MANY YEARS AGO AND IS STILL CLAIMING IT WON?
Sounds like some hive minded 'thinking' drone nonsense there.
The endless deflection plus defense of the indefensible is so tiresome
No,no,no! We're the hive minded drones! Don;t make that error again!
That's the projection one of my fans likes to promote
We all are. I used to ask before and will resume asking again:
How does anybody, world leaders included, know when Donald is telling the truth?
It is a damnable state of affairs when a political is so 'ragged' that its only solution is to run a sick, suffering, liar-criminal as its choice to lead the world!
That being the GOP model, then any corrupt leader, other corrupt leaders, around the world can say that the United States has decided that it can't beat 'em without corruption so it joined 'em!
And our SCOTUS just played its sorry set of six conservative asses right into the aforementioned narrative!
Glad I could lighten your load for a hot minute.
Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. Thx, you are the best.
well put
Opinions do vary
See Comment #6, below.
You misspelled trump.
It's a kind of dyslexia among the defenders of the indefensible
and the projectors of projection
Nothing said in the article is new. Voters know much, much more about Trump than they usually do about any candidate (or President). Voters know more about Trump than they do about Biden. And Biden has held elected office for 50 years.
Democrats can certainly run on a comparison of character if they wish. But Democrats won't get away with being just a little better than Trump. Democrats made defeating Trump a morality play. And that really has raised the bar on expectations for Democrats.
A Democrat that lies is no better than Trump. A Democrat that profits while in government employ is no better than Trump. A Democrat that places winning reelection above the concerns of voters is no better than Trump. A Democrat that serves the party before the people is no better than Trump.
Democrats really have raised expectations for themselves. And that, ladies and gentlemen, is not Trump's fault. You'd think Democrats would have figured this out by now. What do the polls tell us?
Trump +6
Is Donald Trump fit to hold office in the United States of America? We can go down the list in the article one by one if you like.
Why hasn't the Republican Party and its high profile members called for Trump to drop out as a presidential candidate? Its a simple question.
And the simple answer is that a large number of Americans don't agree with your biased and emotional assessment of Trump. Many of us believe that Biden and his ilk, and the far-left radical progressives who control him are a much greater threat to our democracy and national security than Trump and the Republicans.
The Democrats have foolishly painted themselves into a corner from which there is no escape. If they had tried to work with Trump during his first term to find common ground and do what's best for the county instead of fighting him at every turn and repeated trying to oust him, we'd all be better off today.
We will give your words due consideration.
If they had tried to work with Trump during his first term to find common ground and do what's best for the county instead of fighting him at every turn and repeated trying to oust him, we'd all be better off today.
You have got to be joking. If Democrats were to find common ground with Trump on anything it would reflexively become uncommon ground with the Republican Party. It happens all the time, where Republicans vote not only against their own interests, but against that which they were previously cheerleading for! Your statement is gaslighting trash and you know it.
My Senator wants to start that tomorrow.
Joe Biden has set the precedent for fitness to serve. Democrats can check the box on another first.
Just imagine, an 81 year old President hosting the 75th anniversary celebration of NATO while a war rages in Europe. Kinda says it all about fitness to serve, doesn't it?
(BTW, high ranking Republicans have called for Trump to leave the race -- in 2016, 2020, and now 2024. Trump stood up and kicked ass to whip Republicans into line. Don't blame Republicans because the Democratic Party is being led by a kumquat.)
I sincerely doubt that.
"We will give your words due consideration."
Have swine sprouted wings yet?/s
“The likelihood there’s going to be the Taliban overrunning everything and owning the whole country is highly unlikely,”
- Joe Biden, 07/08/21
I'm wondering-- how many members of Congress (of both parties) have not profited greatly from their positions in gov't?
(Ditto governors, other elected officials).
You mean other than his tax returns???
Here is a partial list:
For a more comprehensive list with details follow this link:
President Biden's estimated worth is approximately $10,000,000, the majority of which (approximately $7,000,000) apparently comes from the two homes he owns. Real estate can be a very good investment. He also derived a decent sum from speaking engagements when he was no longer in office after his Vice-Presidency, and more from book sales. $10,000,000 is a very nice amount, but not so rich compared to some. About 6% of American households are worth $10,000,000 or more.
NOTE: This was intended to be in response to Comment #4 .
They like the conspiracy theories better.
1. Yes, inflation has lowered from a national high of 9 percent (Bidenomics)to around 4 percent now. Who cares about those days where Trump had inflation less than 2 percent? It's all about Biden lowering from 9 to 4 percent. Great job, eh?
2. Proof? and not a quote from the White House link. Of course there are more people working today than ever. The population of the country is higher than ever
3. Wages are higher, but inflation makes it that people are actually making less. Great job, Joe ?(Bidenomics)
4. At the heels of Trump early coming out of the pandemic. He did not change the course. He actually had more deaths from COVID than Trump, even with three vaccinations and mandatory vaccines or lose your job.
5. Proof? The "Build back better" plan actually increased the deficit by trillions.
6. Proof,? but if it is actually true, then I will give him this one, even though he probably knows nothing of it.
For this discussion, let’s assume it true.
Presidents aren’t elected on what they’ve done but on what they intend to do. If the public and the donors, right or wrong, don’t think that you have the stamina to do the job, you lose.
That is where the Biden campaign is at. They’ve done a terrible job of reversing that since the debate. So bad that more and more think that it’s Biden and not his team.
The Congress returns tomorrow and more Dems will join the circular firing squad. It will be a sad ending.
Marine Corps version:
Democrat = the party of rage
Or bayonet squad. Good photo.
If you are ever in DC, The Silent Drill Platoon, The USMC Band and the Marines stationed at 8th and I put on a great show.
I will be very surprised if Joe remains the nominee. The only way Joe can remain a viable candidate is if he started doing unscripted town halls, campaign dinners without teleprompters and rallies. He doesn’t seem up to it and this could be counter productive.
Harris is the Dem most logical choice. As VP, she can claim continuity, has access to campaign dollars and if shoved aside, the campaign would lose to much Black support.
Not picking her would also set up a big battle among contenders without an clean way to pick one.
If Joe is now what we’re seeing over the last 10 days, then Harris is the best Dem bet.
I have reluctantly come to the same conclusion that if Biden steps aside, Harris will be the nominee.
One bright note is that Harris would have the opportunity to pick a sterling running mate such as Josh Shapiro or Tim Walz. This would provide gravitas and produce a substantially stronger ticket than Biden+Harris.
I have not, however, seen any indication that Biden will step aside. I think he is in deep denial (his family too).
Agree, they are in the 1st stage of the Kubler-Ross model and have three more stages before they get to acceptance.
Yesterday, I thought back to when the special counsel investigating Biden’s mishandling of classified documents was wrapping it up. I looked up what Hur said about not prosecuting, that a jury would view the president as “a sympathetic, well-meaning, elderly man with a poor memory”.
We are all seeing now what Hur saw during his interview.
Biden’s aides can no longer hide it. Pushing back with sound bites isn’t good enough. Biden would have to demonstrate that it was just a bad night. His performance since then has only reinforced what was exposed then.
Evening Parade. Must see “bucket list” TV
“If the Lord Almighty said get out of the race, I’d get out of the race,” Biden told George Stephanopoulos. “The Lord Almighty’s not coming down.”
To hedge his bet, Biden campaigned at a Black church today. So much for the separation of church and state.
It boils down to ensuring Trump is never elected PotUS.
So to me, whoever is best to accomplish that task should be the D nominee. If that means Biden stepping aside to allow a stronger, younger, candidate with a better chance of winning then that is what should happen.
The problem though is that replacing the presumptive nominee this late in the season is uncharted territory. It is very difficult to determine if it is better to stick with Biden or go with someone else.
It would help to assess the likelihood of success if we knew who that 'someone else' might be.
Lol
Or you can go to MCAS Yuma, AZ during the winter months, which is where they practice. Watched some great performances there during the mid to late 70's when I was there.
Hypocrite much?
If you're asking me, no. I've never supported Trump and I don't attend or am a member of a church.
Confused much?
You support him an awful lot in these forums...
Find one example and post it.
Good luck. All you'll hear are crickets chirping.
Biden is a master at pandering.
Don'cha know? If you diss Biden you also need to diss Trump or you are a Trump supporter...............according to several of our Biden supporters.
Interesting. Didn’t know that. I’ve been lucky to see two Evening Parades in DC. Once while in OCS and once much later in life. It’s an impressive show. Especially the inspection arms drill ….
You don’t last over 50 years in politics without being a master of that.
How many times is the USA mentioned in the Bible?
If you don’t snarl and spit like a rabid dog at the mere mention of Trump, you are an avid Trump supporter according to some of our friends here
For some of the crowd here, exactly!
You came so close to a truthful response.
If you diss Biden for doing something but ignore it when Trump does the same or worse, you are a Trump supporter.
Have you found one supportive comment after claiming that I frequently make them?
oh please, no one here believes you
yada yada yada
Do you think anyone that reads your consistent commentary, feels you are an equal non supporter of the two candidates that we are currently anticipating to be on the ballot ?
yea sure, and yea sure
I don't think your group of vote uppers appreciate that kind of description
Unfortunately, this one is simply not true. See THIS article from Yahoo Finance, based on data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics.
Wage increases have totaled only 14.1% over the same time period, so it is not true that those increases have made up for inflation and certainly not for those on the lower end of the wage scale.
Now clearly such economic scenarios cannot be completely blamed on, or touted by, a President as there are so many variables beyond their control. But in this case Biden's administration is making the claim when the facts and data clearly show it is not accurate.
Why can't Trump's family convince him to drop out, for the good of the country and everyone in it?
Dad is the gravy train.
Exactly! The family gets rich selling access to Dad and only has to give Joe 10%, for the big guy.
wasnt that a dog food ?
Still is.
i was thinking of the one with the mini stage coach, Chuck Wagon, but yep, thanks for confirming, as Gravy Train come up as well
Why do so many folks on the left say what folks on the right need to do? Is their house in order?
It should be obvious that neither house is in order. Thus it should be obvious that Rs and Ds will point out the flaws in the other's 'house'. Because, you know, that is pretty much how politics works.
It's called, 'making a sales pitch' and it is a shame that do this matters much more than relying on efficiency in politics.
Well, either way, we're sending a lemon to the White House
Got that right.
You hit the nail right on the proverbial head with that one.
Ok, you want a "but" ? Here is the "but"
That should be "but" enough for you and anyone else, although somehow I doubt it will be.
IMO ...
Most Trump supporters will not even read what you wrote. Those who do will knee-jerk a nuh-uh response and continue with daily confirmation bias.
They don't read what either of you write. They just start posting nonsense
This morning I have awaken thinking about merry-go-rounds.
Opinions do vary. Mine is that many here get triggered simply by differing opinions and work overtime to push their opinions as fact.
He should leave the country.
Here! Here!
Like someone said above, the human race
To Serve His Country, Donald Trump Should Leave The Race | Editorial
I agree!
I also think that if you replace Trump with Biden in the headline that I still agree
To Serve His Country, Joe Biden Should Leave The Race | Editorial
If only.
Of course it is best for the nation to replace both Biden and Trump. The odds of improving our situation are quite high.
The odds of improving the lot of the country with either Trump or Biden is astronmical
Agree 100%. Both need to drop out immediately. Problem is that huge egos are involved with Trump and Biden.
I have friends and aquaintances with varying political views. But there's one group that is unanimous in wanting Biden to be the Democratic presidential candidate.
(They're the Republicans).