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Donald Trump rants that 'famine' will come to America if Kamala Harris is elected

  
Via:  John Russell  •  3 months ago  •  233 comments

By:   Sarah K. Burris (Raw Story - Celebrating Years of Independent Journalism)

Donald Trump rants that 'famine' will come to America if Kamala Harris is elected
Donald Trump, who struggled to stay on message in two economic speeches this week, warned America it could face famine if his Democratic opponent, Kamala Harris, is elected. After Harris outlined her economic plan to reduce grocery prices by stopping price gouging, Trump took to TruthSocial to call ...

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Donald Trump, who struggled to stay on message in two economic speeches this week, warned America it could face famine if his Democratic opponent, Kamala Harris, is elected.

After Harris outlined her economic plan to reduce grocery prices by stopping price gouging, Trump took to TruthSocial to call her attacks on the corporate practice outright communist.

"Kamala will implement SOVIET Style Price Controls," he wrote, mixing his capitalization. Trump then claimed that "EVERY American will be taxed up to 80% of their income!"

It wasn't immediately clear where he got that number.

In a second post, Trump claimed Harris was "allowing Venezuela's dangerous criminals to freely enter our country through her WIDE OPEN Southern Border."

Biden, notably, signed an executive order in June that closed most of the border.

"If Kamala is elected and implements her Communist Price Caps, there will be famine, starvation, and poverty, the likes of which we have never seen. America will NEVER recover!" Trump claimed.

"Kamala Harris wants to raise your taxes and make you pay for free healthcare and free housing in luxury hotels for her millions of illegal aliens," Trump said, trying to claim "free" healthcare would still cost money.

He then attempted to attack Tim Walz by adopting a phrase that has become synonymous with his running mate, Sen. J.D. Vance (R-OH).

"Weirdo Tim Walz, voted against my VA Mission Act that made healthcare more affordable and accessible for our Nation's Heroes!" said Trump.


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JohnRussell
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1  seeder  JohnRussell    3 months ago

This shit is both sad and comical at the same time. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.1  Tessylo  replied to  JohnRussell @1    3 months ago

......AND THEIR WILL BE A PLAGUE OF LOCUSTS

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.1.1  Tessylo  replied to  Tessylo @1.1    3 months ago

shit - THERE WILL BE A PLAGUE OF LOCUSTS

The 10 Plagues of Egypt are upon us

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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1.1.2  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Tessylo @1.1    3 months ago

good one !

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.1.3  Tessylo  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1.2    3 months ago

Thank you, thank you very much......

 
 
 
Igknorantzruls
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1.1.4  Igknorantzruls  replied to  Tessylo @1.1    3 months ago
PLAGUE OF LOCUSTS

sorry Tess, I didnt see this before my Locust comment

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.1.5  Tessylo  replied to  Igknorantzruls @1.1.4    3 months ago

no worries iggy, great minds often think alike

 
 
 
Thomas
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1.1.6  Thomas  replied to  Tessylo @1.1.1    3 months ago

That'll get the evangelicals...

 
 
 
Krishna
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1.1.7  Krishna  replied to  Tessylo @1.1.1    3 months ago
- THERE WILL BE A PLAGUE OF LOCUSTS The 10 Plagues of Egypt are upon us

And Dinosaurs will once again roam the Earth.jrSmiley_5_smiley_image.png

 
 
 
Krishna
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1.1.8  Krishna  replied to  Krishna @1.1.7    3 months ago
- THERE WILL BE A PLAGUE OF LOCUSTS The 10 Plagues of Egypt are upon us
And Dinosaurs will once again roam the Earth.

And-- perhaps worst of all-- Tampon dispensers will be mandatory in every Boy's bathroom!!!

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.1.9  Texan1211  replied to  Krishna @1.1.8    3 months ago
Tampon dispensers will be mandatory in every Boy's bathroom

Sure, why not waste millions on something totally unnecessary for all?

 
 
 
CB
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1.2  CB  replied to  JohnRussell @1    3 months ago

No, Donald is just sad. He just spouts off numbers that suit him bearing little or no resemblance to the truth. But that is not uncommon for an aging prevaricator like Donald. 

Time to stop cutting Donald (the mothball) any slack for his blazon and deliberate lies.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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1.3  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  JohnRussell @1    3 months ago
"If Kamala is elected and implements her Communist Price Caps, there will be famine, starvation, and poverty, the likes of which we have never seen. America will NEVER recover!" Trump claimed.

Thanks for my first laugh of the morning.  ESPECIALLY since the CPC eradicated abject poverty in China years ago and has trained so many and provided them with the means of accelerating and improving agriculture I'm sure there isn't anyone starving in China WITHOUT the need of price caps.  Oh, and agriculture is mainly mechanized save on small family farms so "slave labour" isn't necessary (by the way, how are the migrant workers on American farms treated?).  Trump would have been more effective with his base by predicting the bubonic plague or an invasion by Lichtenstein's army.  And the groceries, supermarkets and foreign big box stores that sell groceries here are doing quite well - I've not seen any of them that I know about go out of business for the 18 years I've lived in this "commie" country.  And by the way, inflation was VERY limited here, and still is, and food is quite affordable WITHOUT price caps.  Of course I have to admit that my wife grows a lot of our vegetables in her staked out plot of land, but then she grew up on a farm and is really good at it. 

 
 
 
cjcold
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1.3.1  cjcold  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @1.3    3 months ago

Am also a gardner. I mostly survive on veges that I grew last year. Every year. Canning and pickling is what I do.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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1.4  TᵢG  replied to  JohnRussell @1    3 months ago

It is.

Trump will eventually use up every fear tactic in hyper-partisan politics and probably will invent a few new ones.

Still, Trump supporters (those who intend to vote for this scoundrel) never seem to catch on that Trump is utterly full of shit.

 
 
 
CB
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1.4.1  CB  replied to  TᵢG @1.4    3 months ago

Donald (mothball - 78) upon speaking is 'instantly' a prevaricator.  Nobody, but nobody, can trust a prevaricator! Donald is untrustworthy.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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1.4.2  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  TᵢG @1.4    3 months ago

Largely, they are brainwashed. 

 
 
 
cjcold
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1.4.3  cjcold  replied to  TᵢG @1.4    3 months ago

Am actually surprised that only one person has taken a shot at him. One would think that the worst person on the planet would be shot at much more often. Damn shame that liberals don't tend to shoot folk.

It took a registered republican to try it.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2  seeder  JohnRussell    3 months ago
"If Kamala is elected and implements her Communist Price Caps, there will be famine, starvation, and poverty, the likes of which we have never seen. America will NEVER recover!" Trump claimed.
 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.1  Tessylo  replied to  JohnRussell @2    3 months ago

It's always 'the likes of which we have never seen'

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.1.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Tessylo @2.1    3 months ago

well at least his cult believes him

 
 
 
MrFrost
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2.2  MrFrost  replied to  JohnRussell @2    3 months ago
famine, starvation, and poverty,

We literally had to hunt for toilet paper when trumpy was in office. 

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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2.2.1  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  MrFrost @2.2    3 months ago
We literally had to hunt for toilet paper when trumpy was in office. 

And yet supposedly, the October 7th Hamas attack would have never happened, Russia wouldn't have invaded Ukraine, no Americans would have been killed as we withdrew from Afghanistan, the Taliban would have thrown away all their weapons and become pacifists and there would be a chicken in every pot if only Trump had been reelected... And now, if we don't elect him in November it's going to be hell on earth. Famine! Human sacrifice! Dogs and cats living together! Mass hysteria!

It's truly mind boggling that anyone other than perhaps Donald Trump Jr. would believe a bloviating windbag like Trump. His sycophants are either REALLY fucking stupid, or they just hate liberals and progressives SO much that they simply don't care that they're voting for a lying piece of garbage to run our country. Either way, their choice of Trump defines them as utterly deplorable and irredeemable.

 
 
 
CB
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2.2.2  CB  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @2.2.1    3 months ago
[T]hey just hate liberals and progressives SO much that they simply don't care that they're voting for a lying piece of garbage to run our country.

Yes, some Trumpists 'do.' Donald (mothball - 78) is instantly a prevaricator.  Donald is untrustworthy.

 
 
 
Igknorantzruls
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2.2.3  Igknorantzruls  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @2.2.1    3 months ago
their choice of Trump defines them as utterly deplorable and irredeemable.

you forgot cows or rocks, as well. Cause only Trump can fix the world, get Russian prisoners released, build massive border walls that Mexico will  pay for, etc 

 
 
 
CB
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2.2.4  CB  replied to  Igknorantzruls @2.2.3    3 months ago

Donald is a prevaricator. Prevaricators are untrustworthy! :)

 
 
 
Igknorantzruls
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2.2.5  Igknorantzruls  replied to  CB @2.2.4    3 months ago

When are we expecting the Locusts' ?

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.2.6  Tessylo  replied to  Igknorantzruls @2.2.5    3 months ago

Probably the same time as all the immigrant caravans that the former 'president' convicted felon and rapist has been talking about for years and years now

 
 
 
Igknorantzruls
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2.2.7  Igknorantzruls  replied to  Tessylo @2.2.6    3 months ago

Those sneaky caravans that are hugely tremendous right up toll election day, then are suddenly non existent and never heard about again,the day after...

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.2.8  Tessylo  replied to  Igknorantzruls @2.2.7    3 months ago

There must be 10, 20. 30 million of them swarming across the border on a daily basis

 
 
 
Krishna
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2.3  Krishna  replied to  JohnRussell @2    3 months ago
"If Kamala is elected and implements her Communist Price Caps, there will be famine, starvation, and poverty, the likes of which we have never seen. America will NEVER recover!" Trump claimed.

Here's more MAGA humour-- this was the actual headline on a recent edition of the NY POST:

256

 
 
 
Krishna
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2.3.1  Krishna  replied to  Krishna @2.3    3 months ago
Here's more MAGA humour-- this was the actual headline on a recent edition of the NY POST:

That graphic isn't clear-- here's a link to a better image.

 
 
 
cjcold
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2.4  cjcold  replied to  JohnRussell @2    3 months ago

It's far right-wing fascism that America might not recover from.

 
 
 
Sparty On
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3  Sparty On    3 months ago

Trump is way off on this one.    Harris gets elected she’ll make sure you get all the government cheese you can eat.     No worries…...

 
 
 
JBB
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3.1  JBB  replied to  Sparty On @3    3 months ago

I get it! Butt, do explain this "Government Cheese" of which you speak. Tell us what is the back story and give us an explanation for that comment? You see, those under 60 have no idea of this history. Educate them. As a cultural icon what is this "Government Cheese"? Particularly, how does cheese relate to Kamala Harris as opposed to let us say Donald Trump as a candidate? Answers Please?

 
 
 
Sparty On
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3.1.1  Sparty On  replied to  JBB @3.1    3 months ago

The lord helps those, who help themself.

Go for it!

 
 
 
JBB
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3.1.2  JBB  replied to  Sparty On @3.1.1    3 months ago

In that case I'd say "Government Cheese" is your racist dog whistle harkening back to the 1960's when the stereotypical black family subsisted on excess government commodities like peanut butter, canned pork, died beans, canned dried milk and the most racially stereotypical of them all CHEESE...

 
 
 
Sparty On
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3.1.3  Sparty On  replied to  JBB @3.1.2    3 months ago

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JBB
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3.1.4  JBB  replied to  Sparty On @3.1.3    3 months ago

As Coach Walz said, "MAGAs can be racists without knowing it"...

 
 
 
Snuffy
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3.1.5  Snuffy  replied to  JBB @3.1    3 months ago

I would say there are plenty of the under 60 crowd who would know that reference. After all, the program wasn't discontinued until the 90's in favor of other programs. It was a program to help the dairy farmers by maintaining their prices.

When Ronald Reagan became President in 1981, he ordered the distribution of 560 million pounds (250,000 metric tons) of government-stockpiled cheese. It went to   welfare beneficiaries, food stamp recipients, and the elderly receiving Social Security in the United States, as well as to food banks and churches . The big (government) cheese — Adam Smith Institute

 
 
 
bugsy
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3.1.6  bugsy  replied to  JBB @3.1.4    3 months ago

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JBB
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3.1.7  JBB  replied to  bugsy @3.1.6    3 months ago

That is a racist's cliche that makes people laugh at them.

You guys are putting on a show. An anachronistic show...

It is Throwback To The 60's Days at MAGA LAND USofA!

 
 
 
Igknorantzruls
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3.1.8  Igknorantzruls  replied to  JBB @3.1.2    3 months ago
nd the most racially stereotypical of them all CHEESE...

i saw that while getting a picture taken when i overheard a customer while ordering a Ham and cheese sandwhich.at the adjacent deli.

They asked what kind of cheese would the customer prefer, they said

Afro American Cheese

 
 
 
JBB
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3.1.9  JBB  replied to  Igknorantzruls @3.1.8    3 months ago

Only in America are Processed Cheese Products dyed bright yellow considered food...

 
 
 
Igknorantzruls
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3.1.10  Igknorantzruls  replied to  JBB @3.1.9    3 months ago

Trump has his died Orange

 
 
 
CB
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3.1.11  CB  replied to  Igknorantzruls @3.1.10    3 months ago

I have been recently observing that Donald's orange hair is not dyed orange or 'blond' these days. I wander if his beautician is directing him to ease up on the routine. Save a strand or two from farther decay.

 
 
 
JBB
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3.1.12  JBB  replied to  Snuffy @3.1.5    3 months ago

Yes, you are making my point. It ended in the 1990s about the same time Southern Baptist finally denounced slavery and discrimination and accepted integrated congregations...

 
 
 
Igknorantzruls
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3.1.13  Igknorantzruls  replied to  CB @3.1.11    3 months ago
Save a strand or two from farther decay

and test it for the drugz or genetic corrupted code it most certainly will reveal.

 
 
 
Snuffy
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3.1.14  Snuffy  replied to  JBB @3.1.12    3 months ago

No, not really. I replied to your post in 3.1 where you stated :

 Tell us what is the back story and give us an explanation for that comment? You see, those under 60 have no idea of this history. Educate them. As a cultural icon what is this "Government Cheese"? 

As the 90's were only 30 some odd years ago it's a good bet that anybody around 60 have a good idea what the story is. And just because the two things ended around the same time does not mean they are linked in any fashion.

Now if you had tried to make my comment about your comment in 3.1.2 you would be closer as the government cheese program did give it's cheese to those on food stamps as well. So there were a lot of poor families who received the cheese. But not all of them were black despite your racist dog whistle. 

 
 
 
JBB
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3.1.15  JBB  replied to  Snuffy @3.1.14    3 months ago

Please do continue blowing that whistle until after the election!

 
 
 
Kavika
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3.1.16  Kavika   replied to  Snuffy @3.1.14    3 months ago
So there were a lot of poor families who received the cheese. But not all of them were black despite your racist dog whistle. 

Some of the first to receive commodity foods were Nativ Americans who were forced onto reservations under threat of death and could not lav and had to live off commodity foods that were at best horrible.

 
 
 
Krishna
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3.1.17  Krishna  replied to  JBB @3.1.4    3 months ago
As Coach Walz said, "MAGAs can be racists without knowing it"...

That's what happens when people eat too much cheese (& put tampon dispensers in Boy's bathrooms....and associate with childless cat ladies...and worse!!!)

 
 
 
Krishna
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3.1.18  Krishna  replied to  JBB @3.1.4    3 months ago
As Coach Walz said, "MAGAs can be racists without knowing it"...

Too much cheese will do that to a person!

 
 
 
Krishna
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3.1.19  Krishna  replied to  Snuffy @3.1.14    3 months ago
poor families who received the cheese. But not all of them were black despite your racist dog whistle. 

Not all were black-- but some were fried.

Directions (How to Make Black Dog-Whistle Cheese):

 
 
 
Krishna
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3.1.20  Krishna  replied to  CB @3.1.11    3 months ago
. I wander if his beautician is directing him to ease up on the routine

Perhaps the beautician is a prevaricator?

 
 
 
MrFrost
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3.1.21  MrFrost  replied to  bugsy @3.1.6    3 months ago

Only to those who are truly racist…….

Interesting you should mention that. Why did trump spend a WEEK, obsessing over Harris's race? Why was that such a focal point for trump? Why does it matter so much to him? Rhetorical question, here's your answer.... He's a racist. Only a racist would obsess THAT MUCH over someone else's race. I promise you this; if Harris was white, he wouldn't have said a word. 

 
 
 
bugsy
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3.1.22  bugsy  replied to  bugsy @3.1.6    3 months ago

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JohnRussell
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3.1.23  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  bugsy @3.1.22    3 months ago

Removed for context - sandy

 
 
 
Sparty On
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3.1.24  Sparty On  replied to  bugsy @3.1.22    3 months ago

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JBB
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3.2  JBB  replied to  Sparty On @3    3 months ago

Busted!

 
 
 
Sparty On
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3.2.1  Sparty On  replied to  JBB @3.2    3 months ago

 
 
 
JBB
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3.2.2  JBB  replied to  Sparty On @3.2.1    3 months ago

HELLO!

Newsflash! It Is 2024! TWO THOUSAND TWENTY FOUR!

Using "White Fright" as a gop political tactic is so 1970's. 

 
 
 
CB
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3.2.3  CB  replied to  JBB @3.2.2    3 months ago

Props to SuperTramp, nevertheless!

 
 
 
Krishna
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3.2.4  Krishna  replied to  CB @3.2.3    3 months ago
Props to SuperTramp,

At least Super tramp is not a prevaricator.

 
 
 
Sparty On
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3.2.5  Sparty On  replied to  JBB @3.2.2    3 months ago

Tell it to the people who pay the liberal poll tax everyday.    At the grocery store, at the gas station, at the bank, at the electric company and yes ….. and at MacDonalds.

 
 
 
cjcold
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3.3  cjcold  replied to  Sparty On @3    3 months ago

I like cheese. About damn time we got some of the surplus! 

 
 
 
Sparty On
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3.3.1  Sparty On  replied to  cjcold @3.3    3 months ago

Cheese for breakfast, cheese for lunch

Cheese for dinner and munch, munch, munch

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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3.3.2  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  cjcold @3.3    3 months ago

Damn right, the Feds have around 1.5 billion pounds of cheese stored in limestone caves under Missouri.

You need to be quick before someone moves your cheese.

 
 
 
Sparty On
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3.3.3  Sparty On  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @3.3.2    3 months ago
Damn right, the Feds have around 1.5 billion pounds of cheese stored in limestone caves under Missouri

Hopefully in a different cave than spent nuclear material

You need to be quick before someone moves your cheese.

Or cuts it …..

 
 
 
JBB
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4  JBB    3 months ago

Like a lunatic on the corner bellowing, "The End Is Nigh!"...

 
 
 
Tessylo
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4.1  Tessylo  replied to  JBB @4    3 months ago

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Sparty On
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4.2  Sparty On  replied to  JBB @4    3 months ago

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Sparty On
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4.2.1  Sparty On  replied to  Sparty On @4.2    3 months ago

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cjcold
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4.3  cjcold  replied to  JBB @4    3 months ago

Are you saying it's not?

 
 
 
JBB
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4.3.1  JBB  replied to  cjcold @4.3    3 months ago

You got me but then I did say "Like". Very very alike. Like the same!

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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5  seeder  JohnRussell    3 months ago

Trending On Twitter

#TrumpIsALaughingStock

 
 
 
Sparty On
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5.1  Sparty On  replied to  JohnRussell @5    3 months ago

800

 
 
 
bugsy
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5.1.1  bugsy  replied to  Sparty On @5.1    3 months ago

Hell, not even talk, unless it is with her dumbass VP pick.

Of course, over the past 4 years she has proven herself a dumbass, so they work well together.

 
 
 
JBB
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5.1.2  JBB  replied to  Sparty On @5.1    3 months ago

original

 
 
 
bugsy
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5.1.3  bugsy  replied to  JBB @5.1.2    3 months ago

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Sparty On
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5.1.4  Sparty On  replied to  bugsy @5.1.1    3 months ago

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JBB
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5.1.5  JBB  replied to  bugsy @5.1.3    3 months ago

Yes, and she is more women than Trump can handle and she is going to be the next President of the United States of America so you might want to show some respect because she is coming...

original

 
 
 
JBB
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5.1.6  JBB  replied to  Sparty On @5.1.4    3 months ago

Who thinks that is whitty for the umpteen gazillionth time now?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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5.1.7  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  JBB @5.1.6    3 months ago

maybe they mean to say Trump's butt

 
 
 
Sparty On
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5.1.8  Sparty On  replied to  JBB @5.1.6    3 months ago

The truth really hurts the triggered.    Like a red hot poker right up the chocolate starfish

 
 
 
Sparty On
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5.1.9  Sparty On  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.7    3 months ago

Reading comprehension says otherwise.

 
 
 
JBB
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5.1.10  JBB  replied to  Sparty On @5.1.8    3 months ago

The Truth? You Can't Handle The Truth! Trump Is Losing...

 
 
 
JBB
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5.1.11  JBB  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.7    3 months ago

Forgive the MAGA for they are in the death throws of a cult...

Deprogram Them!

 
 
 
Sparty On
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5.1.12  Sparty On  replied to  JBB @5.1.10    3 months ago

Speaking of cliches that don’t apply …..

 
 
 
JBB
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5.1.13  JBB  replied to  Sparty On @5.1.12    3 months ago

Butt it does apply Sparty. Trump is cruisin towards losin, again!

Harris - Walz 2024 is a cultural phenomenon. Trump is cooked.

That is the truth. I've accepted it. Americans have accepted it...

Can You?

Have you even really accepted that Trump lost badly in 2020?

My Cliche Stands! You have been overruled! Trump is losing...

original

 
 
 
bugsy
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5.1.14  bugsy  replied to  JBB @5.1.5    3 months ago

Highly delusional

 
 
 
bugsy
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5.1.15  bugsy  replied to  JBB @5.1.13    3 months ago

I would bet you didn’t even know who Walz was until he was picked. Simply shows blind partisanship.

 
 
 
bugsy
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5.1.16  bugsy  replied to  bugsy @5.1.15    3 months ago

Do you know Walz lied about his deployment status and lied about his retirement rank? I don’t think CNN or MSDNC has reported that yet.

 
 
 
JBB
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5.1.17  JBB  replied to  bugsy @5.1.16    3 months ago

Everyone knows all about that and we moved on. Nobody cares if a twenty four year US veteran who retired because he was running for the US Congress retired as an E8 or an E9. M'kay?

No wonder MAGA is sinking like a rock. They're out of touch!

 
 
 
bugsy
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5.1.18  bugsy  replied to  JBB @5.1.17    3 months ago

Nobody cares if a twenty four year US veteran who retired because he was running for the US Congress retired as an E8 or an E9. M'kay?

Only to those who have never served and have no clue how the military members pride themselves in their accomplishments.

Very few of those lie about their accomplishments. Walz is one of them. 

 
 
 
charger 383
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5.1.19  charger 383  replied to  bugsy @5.1.18    3 months ago

,If he would lie about that, what else will he lie about?

 
 
 
Igknorantzruls
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5.1.20  Igknorantzruls  replied to  charger 383 @5.1.19    3 months ago

i sometimes lie about sitting up in bed

 
 
 
Snuffy
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5.1.21  Snuffy  replied to  Igknorantzruls @5.1.20    3 months ago

If you were running for public office your lies would be more important. At least that's what some people will constantly state about the orange guy, that his lies are important for people to know. Just seems if someone is going to count the lies from one side they should be looking at the lies from all sides as all lies are bad for public servants, are they not? 

 
 
 
Tessylo
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5.1.22  Tessylo  replied to  Sparty On @5.1.8    3 months ago

So you do that often?

 
 
 
Tessylo
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5.1.23  Tessylo  replied to  charger 383 @5.1.19    3 months ago

Walz is not the one lying charger.  I don't understand why you refuse to get that.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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5.1.24  Tessylo  replied to  bugsy @5.1.18    3 months ago

It makes no difference if someone served to understand that Walz is NOT the one who is lying.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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5.1.25  Tessylo  replied to  Tessylo @5.1.24    3 months ago

or someone who says they served.  I don't believe a word certain members state.

 
 
 
charger 383
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5.1.26  charger 383  replied to  Tessylo @5.1.23    3 months ago

Because he claimed to be a retired Command Sergeant Major when he retired as a Master Sargeant. He did not serve as a CSM long enough to retire at that rank.   

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
5.1.27  JBB  replied to  charger 383 @5.1.26    3 months ago

Which is understandable and not the trump card you think! 

You know who lies his fat orange ass off about everything...

 
 
 
Thomas
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5.1.28  Thomas  replied to  charger 383 @5.1.26    3 months ago
Because he claimed to be a retired Command Sergeant Major when he retired as a Master Sargeant. He did not serve as a CSM long enough to retire at that rank.   

What rank do you suppose that his subordinates called him while he held the rank of Command Sergeant Major? Is he retired from the service? I think that you are splitting hairs to make him appear less than he actually is, especially because all of this has been through a couple of wash/rinse cycles by now.

 
 
 
CB
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5.1.29  CB  replied to  bugsy @5.1.18    3 months ago

Walz did hold the rank of Command Sergeant Major (CSM) and RETIRED as Master Sergeant in 2005 for benefit purposes . That last part is IMPORTANT. The two things are both true.  1. Walz held the position.  2. The government would not pay him retirement benefits at that higher level due to a technicality: incomplete CSM courseware.

That he chose to list the higher rank on his bio has credibility because he did serve in the job with its "duties and responsibilities." That Trumpists want to give him political noise because technically he had not complete the courseware does not take away from the practical experiences he had as CSM. That is what servicemember will call him "Sergeant Major" out of respect for the man. . . and the job he has done .


'Appalled': Veterans slam Trump campaign's attacks on Tim Walz's military background

WASHINGTON — More than 1,000 veterans and military family members have signed an open letter saying they are "appalled at  Donald Trump  and JD Vance’s politically motivated attacks" on  the military service of  Democratic vice presidential nominee  Tim Walz .

The letter, circulated with help from the left-leaning veterans advocacy group VoteVets, comes as  Walz's 24-year record  in the Army National Guard has become a target of the Trump campaign. Vance, Trump's running-mate, a U.S. senator from Ohio and also a fellow veteran, has attacked Walz's 2005 retirement from the military prior to his battalion's deployment to Iraq.

" JD Vance’s recent comments  attacking Governor Walz’s service record are disrespectful and deeply disappointing, especially given Vance’s own service − which we are also profoundly grateful for," the letter, obtained by USA TODAY, reads. "But given Donald Trump’s long record of expressing disdain for service members, veterans, and their families, it’s unsurprising that his running mate has stooped to such lows."

. . . .

Veteran supporters calls Walz a 'beacon of respect and support'

The letter is signed by 1,048 veterans, veteran families, military families, caregivers and survivors who support the Harris-Walz ticket. They praise Walz's military service, writing that "as individuals who have served and sacrificed for this nation, we are thrilled to see someone who served our country in uniform for decades on the ticket."

Among the veterans who signed the letter are retired Maj. Gen. Randy Manner, who held top positions with the National Guard Bureau, and Brenda Sue Fulton, a former military officer and assistant secretary of Veterans Affairs in the Biden administration. The veterans organization Common Defense also helped organize the letter.

"Governor Walz, a 24-year veteran of the U.S. Army National Guard, has demonstrated throughout his career a profound respect for those who serve, as well as their families," the letter reads. "His service, both in uniform and as a public servant, embodies the values of duty, honor, and commitment."

"Where Trump and Vance seek to diminish the sacrifices of our military community and renege on our obligation to veterans," it continues, "Governor Walz has always stood as a beacon of respect and support."

 
 
 
CB
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5.1.30  CB  replied to  charger 383 @5.1.19    3 months ago

Walz has not lied about being Command Sergeant Major. He did serve in the position. Even if it was one day. . . it permissible to go on his resume. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
5.1.31  Tessylo  replied to  CB @5.1.30    3 months ago

Walz has not lied about anything CB.  Please pay no attention to those who say he is/was/has.  It's not true.  Walz is not the one who is lying.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
5.1.32  Tessylo  replied to  charger 383 @5.1.26    3 months ago

Doesn't matter.  See CB's remark.  He didn't lie about a goddamned thing.  It's hateful to say that he has.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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5.1.33  Tessylo  replied to  charger 383 @5.1.26    3 months ago

The swiftboating going on here against a decent and honorable man is despicable.  I question the decency of anyone who disputes his honor.  

 
 
 
Snuffy
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5.1.34  Snuffy  replied to  CB @5.1.29    3 months ago
RETIRED as Master Sergeant in 2005 for benefit purposes .

And this is a lie. He retired as a Master Sergeant because he had not completed the qualifications to retain the rank of Command Sergeant Major. Because he retired as a master Sergeant, his benefits are aligned with that retirement rank. You make it sound as if he chose the Master Sergeant rank for the purpose of gaining benefits and he did not.

 
 
 
Snuffy
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5.1.35  Snuffy  replied to  Tessylo @5.1.32    3 months ago

You are wrong, he did lie about retiring as a Command Sergeant Major as he did not. The evidence has been provided, don't know why you refuse to acknowledge it. Even the Harris campaign has acknowledged it.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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5.1.36  Tessylo  replied to  JBB @5.1.17    3 months ago

Walz didn't lie about anything jbb.  We know who the liar is here.

 
 
 
CB
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5.1.37  CB  replied to  charger 383 @5.1.26    3 months ago

A snuck premise may be in that comment: It should be proven that Walz "claimed" to be a retired Command Sergeant Major and not simply an individual who served in the rank of Command Sergeant Major (entitling him to make mention of that ranking level on his bio (but not for any pay-grade purposes). Because, surely, Walz knows without a doubt that he did not retire at CSM level.  

 
 
 
Sparty On
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5.1.38  Sparty On  replied to  charger 383 @5.1.19    3 months ago

Exactly.

 
 
 
CB
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5.1.39  CB  replied to  Thomas @5.1.28    3 months ago

Perhaps these people do not understand that to do the job with its duties and responsibilities will qualify Walz to put the higher rank on his bio. Why? Because people need to know the level of experience an individual has garnered over the course of their life/service. What Trumpists are doing is smearing Walz for political purposes - ignoring the value of the man/his service and his experience. It's shameless exploitation of a technicality. And military personnel and veterans have been doing the same on their resumes and personal/professional bios for years! (You always claim the higher training/ranking level you served in-because of the experience collected). Even if you don't officially make the 'grade.'


What Trumpists hope to do is to make enough noise that Walz 'loses' some votes for the ticket, simply because people can't figure out what position to take on it. It's 'dirty' politics. Military people know it for what it is, nevertheless.  They will either vote for the Harris-Walz ticket, or they won't without regards to a technicality.

 
 
 
Sparty On
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5.1.40  Sparty On  replied to  JBB @5.1.27    3 months ago

Bullshit.    It is not understandable.    Anyone who served understands that.    Claiming a higher rank than earned is punishable by the UCMJ for any active service member and for some retirees earning retirement pay depending on their retirement status.

 
 
 
Sparty On
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5.1.41  Sparty On  replied to  Tessylo @5.1.36    3 months ago

Yes we do.    Any thinking person here does.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
5.1.42  CB  replied to  Tessylo @5.1.32    3 months ago

It's called, "muddling the issue" in hopes of pulling away (or at the least, not losing a set of Trumpists military voters) to the democratic party candidates over kinship related military service. That is, Trumpist are going to insist on this 'noise' because it may peel off some confused voters who can't figure this out properly.

All we can do is pushback against the manufactured noise in hopes of giving a (confused)  'listener'  or reader the proper way to process this.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
5.1.43  CB  replied to  Tessylo @5.1.33    3 months ago
It's hateful to say that he has.

Trumpists don't care about that. This is dirty politics and since it is: It's a free-for-all! 

And when it is a "free for all" —the dirtiest player in the game: Could stand to win the most!

(Just keep pushing back, nevertheless. We can protect the integrity of the discussion and "save" some confused individuals who might just come across this 'noise.')

 
 
 
CB
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5.1.44  CB  replied to  Snuffy @5.1.34    3 months ago

The comment speaks for itself. Any issue the collective "you" have with 5.1.29 does not require over-explaining.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
5.1.45  CB  replied to  Sparty On @5.1.40    3 months ago
 Claiming a higher rank than earned is punishable by the UCMJ for any active service member and for some retirees earning retirement pay depending on their retirement status.

Don't see any punishment/s rendered. So, that consideration is not valid in this discussion. Appears to be political NOISE. . . .

 
 
 
Sparty On
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5.1.46  Sparty On  replied to  CB @5.1.45    3 months ago

Nah, the “consideration” is spot on.    Any supposition that his actions were righteous, would be the fucked up thing here.

And it’s not even close.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
5.1.47  CB  replied to  Sparty On @5.1.46    3 months ago

And yet, the collective "you' can not point to an official offense under the UCMJ for the edification of the reader/s.

 
 
 
Sparty On
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5.1.48  Sparty On  replied to  CB @5.1.47    3 months ago

This isn’t about “me” no matter how hard you try to make it so.    Anyone with basic google skills or a basic understanding of the UCMJ, can make the connection.    

Others, not so much I guess

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
5.1.49  CB  replied to  Sparty On @5.1.48    3 months ago

I am pretty sure you, the individual, is not a collective. The thing speaks for itself. And, since there is no official offense shared in your comment we are left to conclude no legitimate offense has occurred.

 
 
 
Snuffy
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5.1.50  Snuffy  replied to  Sparty On @5.1.40    3 months ago

He was frocked into the Command Sergeant Major position so that he could perform the duties assigned, so while in uniform he did not claim a higher rank. But because he did not complete the requirements for the promotion, the promotion was not completed and he retired as a Master Sergeant. That much is very clear and I do not understand why people will argue that part.

He claimed and allowed others to state that he had retired as a Command Sergeant Major and that is the false statement. I really don't understand how people can argue that position either as it's clear. It is ridiculous for people to claim that just because he held the rank, it's all ok. If it was all ok then why would the Harris campaign modify the official website to remove the claim where he is a retired Command Sergeant Major. 

This argument is stupid. They get all sorts of upset with all the lies that Trump says but are willing to ignore one on their own side? And before anybody thinks to jump in here, there is no fucking way I'm comparing Trump to Walz so don't even bother to go there. So take your strawman arguments elsewhere.

 
 
 
Snuffy
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5.1.51  Snuffy  replied to  CB @5.1.44    3 months ago

So you think your comment speaks for itself. Let's break it down.

Walz did hold the rank of Command Sergeant Major (CSM) and RETIRED as Master Sergeant in 2005 for benefit purposes .

Yes, Walz was 'frocked' into the rank of Command Sergeant Major but he did not hold the rank. He could not hold that rank because he had not yet completed the requirements for the promotion. That is how these things work. And the second half of your statement implies that he selected to retire as a Master Sergeant for benefit purposes but that is not true. He retired as a Master Sergeant because he had not completed the requirements for the promotion, not for reasons around benefits. You try to imply he choose what grade to retire as for the purpose of gaining benefits and that's complete bullshit. Retirement benefits in the military are very clearly defined. 

That last part is IMPORTANT. The two things are both true.  1. Walz held the position. 

This piece is true, Walz did hold the position and do the work. He had to hold that position in order to do the work, but as been explained he was frocked to that rank. He was not promoted to that rank because he never finished the requirements.

2. The government would not pay him retirement benefits at that higher level due to a technicality: incomplete CSM courseware.

Partially true. Because he was never promoted to CSM he could not retire at that rank. That is not a technicality, that is the cold hard truth. In order to complete the promotion he was required to finish the coursework AND he also had a time-in-service commitment that was another requirement. 

That he chose to list the higher rank on his bio has credibility because he did serve in the job with its "duties and responsibilities."

And stating he held the position and did the work is not the issue. 

That Trumpists want to give him political noise because technically he had not complete the courseware does not take away from the practical experiences he had as CSM. That is what servicemember will call him "Sergeant Major" out of respect for the man. . . and the job he has done .

Just like any rank of Admiral will be called admiral in public, as a sign of respect. What other service members call him was never the issue. But the simple issue that Walz did not complete the requirements for the promotion is not a technicality. It's the simple truth. Walz knew in advance what he needed to do to complete the promotion and he chose to retire instead. That decision is fine, he put in 24 years in the Guard and served honorably. Nobody can take that away from him.

The issue was that he and others have repeatedly stated he retired as a CSM and it was done for political means. It's simple, he lied for political means in order to make himself sound better. I do not understand how you can accept that as ok. 

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
5.1.52  CB  replied to  Snuffy @5.1.51    3 months ago

Read this (and with this I agree to disagree with the collective "you"):

Walz enlisted in the Army National Guard in Nebraska in 1981 and retired honorably in 2005 as the top enlisted soldier for 1st Battalion, 125th Field Artillery Regiment, in the Minnesota National Guard, according to a copy of his records provided by the Minnesota Guard. He reached the rank of command sergeant major and served in that role , but he officially retired as a master sergeant for benefits purposes because he didn't finish a required training course , according to the records and a statement from the Minnesota Guard.
Tim Walz, Who Spent Decades as an Enlisted Soldier, Brings Years of Work on Vets Issues to Dem Ticket | Military.com

Military.com speaks for itself! That is, while in the role as Command Sergeant Major, Walz was titled, treated, and given the respect of. . .you guessed it: Command Sergeant Major

I don't need to make up anything, the thing speaks! Moreover, he could not officially retire as Command Sergeant Major, for the simple reason that it was not in his retirement papers. Using the highest rank achieved in service is permissible for bios and addressing even if unofficial. It's a technicality. 'Everybody' understands it. . . until they don't or better yet—won't.

 
 
 
Sparty On
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5.1.53  Sparty On  replied to  CB @5.1.49    3 months ago
I am pretty sure you, the individual, is not a collective.

You are correct.    Unlike others here, I am not part of a hive, a thought collective or a gaggle of idiocy …..

 
 
 
Sparty On
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5.1.54  Sparty On  replied to  Snuffy @5.1.50    3 months ago
retired as a Master Sergeant.

This is where it gets even more hinky.    I’ll be the first to admit I’m no expert on Army/National Guard rank/retirement structure but my understanding is:

Master Sgt, First Sgt, Sgt Major, Command Sgt Major and Command Sgt Major of the Army.    In that order.    So if he didn’t complete the required training to become a qualified Command Sgt Major one assumes he was already a Sgt Major.    So why was he retired as Master Sgt?    Arguably two ranks below Sgt Major.

 
 
 
Snuffy
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5.1.55  Snuffy  replied to  CB @5.1.52    3 months ago

And none of this comment changes anything in my comment. You are defending someone who lied for political gain. Plain and simple. The lies have been exposed. Walz did 24 years, he was frocked with the rank of Command Sergeant Major in order to do the work and be part of the command team. But he was not officially promoted. You have tried to imply several things. Simple question however. If it was no big deal that he retired as a Master Sergeant rather than a Command Sergeant Major, then why did the Harris election campaign scrub their website to clean it up? 

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
5.1.56  CB  replied to  Snuffy @5.1.55    3 months ago

Read a separate news article about it. We have been over this many times (on this 'detailed' forum). He served as Command Sergeant Major (and acquired the title from 'doing.'). Indeed, and on the other hand another point of criticism from the 'Right' is he OUGHT (they say) to have waited around and deployed with his "team" because of his (high) ranking. But, I digress.

This issue is sufficiently settled. 

 
 
 
Snuffy
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5.1.57  Snuffy  replied to  Sparty On @5.1.54    3 months ago

We would need someone from the higher enlisted ranks of the Army to fully explain it but what I think is that Master Sergeant is an E-8 rank. Promotion to E-8 while not automatic, can be done on merit and abilities.  There are three E-9 ranks, First Sergeant, Sergeant Major and Command Sergeant Major. Promotion to E-9 is not automatic, the individuals promoted must be pulled over every other E-8 in the Army (or perhaps National Guard in this case) and they receive the rank based on the job they are going to be doing. 

A First Sergeant is the senior enlisted sergeant in a company or smaller unit, while sergeants major serve the same role at the battalion level. And as I understand, a Command Sergeant Major is the senior enlisted at the battalion or higher level working exclusively with the command team.

To be promoted from First Sergeant to Sergeant Major, one must prove their leadership ability and job/duty abilities to a high enough degree and then there must be an opening for a Sergeant Major in another battalion as a transfer would also be required (I believe).

 
 
 
Snuffy
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5.1.58  Snuffy  replied to  CB @5.1.56    3 months ago
He served as Command Sergeant Major (and acquired the title from 'doing.').

yes, that is true and I have commented on this many times. 

Indeed, and on the other hand another point of criticism from the 'Right' is he OUGHT (they say) to have waited around and deployed with his "team" because of his (high) ranking.

That is not my criticism. Stop lumping me in with everybody else. My complaint that I was clear about from the beginning is that he has claimed to be a retired Command Sergeant Major. That's been my complaint all along and you keep on ignoring it. I don't care what other people are complaining about, if you have a problem with that issue take it up with them. My entire complain is that he has claimed honors that he did not earn. 

 
 
 
bugsy
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5.1.59  bugsy  replied to  JBB @5.1.27    3 months ago

Understandable how?

That he is incompetent to know what rank he retired at? OK I can see what you are saying.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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5.1.60  Tessylo  replied to  bugsy @5.1.59    3 months ago

Walz is not the incompetent one or the liar.

 
 
 
CB
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5.1.61  CB  replied to  Snuffy @5.1.58    3 months ago

The collective you can be the judge for its purposes. Good evening, Snuffy. The last word is yours if you wish.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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5.1.62  Tessylo  replied to  CB @5.1.61    3 months ago

That's usually the case CBB.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
5.1.63  Tessylo  replied to  Tessylo @5.1.62    3 months ago

CB - I hate not being able to edit my comments.

Some have the need to have the last word.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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5.1.64  Split Personality  replied to  Snuffy @5.1.58    3 months ago
My entire complain is that he has claimed honors that he did not earn.

And that is incorrect according to the MN NG itself. It may be parsing the English language to some civilians but the last stripes the man wore when he turned in his papers was the Command Master Sargent's.  The last rate he performed on NG duty was as an E9.  The retirement rate pay he was awarded and was eligible for this year on his 60th birthday is irrelevant.  

What your fellow NCOs and subordinates refer to you as, is the highest rank you achieved in service.

(The same applies to Rear Admiral (Ret'd) Ronnie Jackson who was demoted to Captain later, is still addressed as Rear Admiral.)

According to Lt. Col. Kristen Augé, the MNG’s State Public Affairs Officer, Walz “served from April 8, 1981, to May 16, 2005″ during which time he “held multiple positions within field artillery such as firing battery chief, operations sergeant, first sergeant, and culminated his career serving as the command sergeant major for the battalion.”

...

Additionally, according to MNG Joint Chief of Staff Col. Scott Rohweder, in order for Walz to retire, he would have had to clear his plans through his unit commander. There is no indication Walz’s commanding officer acted to prevent or stall his request to retire.

“We value all citizens who serve in our Armed Forces. Each service member’s service journey is unique, and when they decide to leave military service, it is a personal decision. Less than 1 percent of Americans serve in our nation’s military, and an even smaller percent reach retirement eligibility. We are grateful for citizens who commit to serving, whether on their initial contract or for 20 years. When a service member reaches 20 years of service, they can submit a request to retire even if there is time remaining on their enlisted contractual agreement. Their request is reviewed and must be approved by leadership,” Rohweder told the Herald.

...

On top of this, Walz had apparently returned home from a mobilization and deployment — the full length of which occurred while he was entirely eligible to drop his retirement paperwork — that ended just over a year before he began the process of leaving the military.

“Governor Tim Walz mobilized with the Minnesota National Guard’s 1st Battalion, 125th Field Artillery on Aug. 3, 2003, to support Operation Enduring Freedom. The battalion supported security missions at various locations in Europe and Turkey. Governor Walz was stationed at Vicenza, Italy, during his deployment. He returned to Minnesota in April, 2004,” Augé said.

His retirement announcement also came after his years working with artillery had led to “ bilateral hearing loss and tinnitus ,” according to a medical retention board Walz was forced to stand before in 2002 over his injuries. Walz required ear surgery in 2005 for installation of prosthetic bones.

Further allegations Walz is misrepresenting his rank are also unfounded, according to the MNG. Walz was indeed wearing a Command Sgt. Major’s stripes on the day he officially took off his uniform for the last time, but since he was unable to complete the 750 hours of coursework required to meet the conditions of Army Regulation 600-8-19 before he retired, he can’t be paid that rank’s retirement rate.

“He retired as a master sergeant in 2005 for benefit purposes because he did not complete additional coursework at the U.S. Army Sergeants Major Academy,” Augé said.

Minnesota National Guard officials weigh in on Walz service (msn.com)
 
 
 
bugsy
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5.1.65  bugsy  replied to  charger 383 @5.1.19    3 months ago

I’m sure much of that will come out soon.

Socialists can’t hide from their lies.

 
 
 
bugsy
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5.1.66  bugsy  replied to  Thomas @5.1.28    3 months ago

The problem leftists are missing is he has lied multiple times on his bios for Congress and for Governor. Even the Harris campaign had to quietly change is bio on their to reflect the truth.

Where do you think they got the information that they had to change?

 
 
 
bugsy
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5.1.67  bugsy  replied to  CB @5.1.29    3 months ago

Read 5.1.66

 
 
 
bugsy
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5.1.68  bugsy  replied to  Snuffy @5.1.34    3 months ago

Thank you for supporting the truth Snuffy. You are always correct.❤️

 
 
 
bugsy
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5.1.69  bugsy  replied to  Snuffy @5.1.50    3 months ago

When I was frocked to E7 I could wear the uniform and perform the duties but it was not official until I started getting paid for it. 
Walz never got paid for it.

 
 
 
bugsy
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5.1.70  bugsy  replied to  CB @5.1.52    3 months ago

Why did the Harris campaign have to change his bio to reflect the truth? The truth which we have been trying to tell you.

 
 
 
cjcold
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5.1.71  cjcold  replied to  Sparty On @5.1.48    3 months ago

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JBB
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5.1.72  JBB  replied to  cjcold @5.1.71    3 months ago

The political tide changed and MAGA are oblivious...

Let them bash Walz's service and blow dog whistles!

Each day it gets ever clearer MAGA are headed for a historic humiliation on November 5th. Each day Trump and his hoards of frothing followers appear ever more inept and out of touch.

Let Them!

We beat fascist before. We whooped their Nazi asses!

Maybe freedom lovers must do so, every eighty years...

 
 
 
cjcold
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5.1.73  cjcold  replied to  cjcold @5.1.71    3 months ago

Mythology and superstition.

 
 
 
JBB
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5.1.74  JBB  replied to  cjcold @5.1.73    3 months ago

MAGA bitch about memes because memes devastate the MAGA!

original

 
 
 
bugsy
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5.1.75  bugsy  replied to  JBB @5.1.74    3 months ago

Not sure what a ‘MAGA ‘ is, but if you are meaning it in an insulting way, it must be a good thing.

 
 
 
JBB
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5.1.76  JBB  replied to  bugsy @5.1.75    3 months ago

If you want MAGA to be a slur, it is. If not, MAGA's not...

 
 
 
bugsy
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5.1.77  bugsy  replied to  JBB @5.1.76    3 months ago

The only time you use it is when insulting others

 
 
 
JBB
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5.1.78  JBB  replied to  bugsy @5.1.77    3 months ago

Are you saying MAGA is a slur or MAGA's not? 

original

 
 
 
bugsy
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5.1.79  bugsy  replied to  JBB @5.1.78    3 months ago

What I am saying is when you use it you use it as a slur.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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5.1.80  Tessylo  replied to  Split Personality @5.1.64    3 months ago

Walz isn't the liar here.  It's ridiculous that they refuse to believe the truth.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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5.1.81  Tessylo  replied to  charger 383 @5.1.26    3 months ago

Walz isn't the one lying.  It's some who claim they were in the service and some who didn't serve.  I don't believe anything some say.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
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5.1.82  Tessylo  replied to  charger 383 @5.1.26    3 months ago

BUT HE DIDN'T FUCKING LIE.

THE ONES WHO ARE LYING ARE THE ONES WHO SAID WALZ LIED.

 
 
 
charger 383
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5.1.83  charger 383  replied to  Snuffy @5.1.57    3 months ago

Army First Sergeant is E-8, same as Master Sergeant

 
 
 
Snuffy
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5.1.84  Snuffy  replied to  charger 383 @5.1.83    3 months ago

Ahh, thank you. Yes, only a Sergeant Major and Command Sergeant Major are E-9's.

 
 
 
Sparty On
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5.1.85  Sparty On  replied to  Tessylo @5.1.82    3 months ago

A better case of denial, one hasn’t seen for some time.

 
 
 
MrFrost
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5.1.86  MrFrost  replied to  charger 383 @5.1.26    3 months ago

Because he claimed to be a retired Command Sergeant Major when he retired as a Master Sargeant. He did not serve as a CSM long enough to retire at that rank.   

The irony being that a guy that dodged the draft 5 times is criticizing a guy that served for 24 years. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
5.1.87  Tessylo  replied to  bugsy @5.1.69    3 months ago

Me thinks some doth protest too much

Don't believe a word 

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
5.1.88  Tessylo  replied to  MrFrost @5.1.86    3 months ago

I can't believe anyone believes the lies.  It's hateful.  It's agnorant.  

 
 
 
Krishna
Professor Expert
5.2  Krishna  replied to  JohnRussell @5    3 months ago
#TrumpIsALaughingStock

And probably prevaricating as well!

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
6  Kavika     3 months ago

OMG, they are closing all the Micky D's in America. 

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
6.1  Sparty On  replied to  Kavika @6    3 months ago

No more McRib for you.    So sad.

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
6.1.1  JBB  replied to  Sparty On @6.1    3 months ago

URP!

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
6.2  JBB  replied to  Kavika @6    3 months ago

Good! It is way overpriced and most unhealthy nowadays...

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
6.2.1  Sparty On  replied to  JBB @6.2    3 months ago

Dining crusaders unite!    
Attack the Big Mac.    Stopper the Whopper.    No mas Taco Bell …..

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
6.2.2  JBB  replied to  Sparty On @6.2.1    3 months ago

If you eat that shit you die real quickly so it is against the COC to tell you to eat it. Because that would definitely be death wishing...

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
6.2.3  Sparty On  replied to  JBB @6.2.2    3 months ago

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JBB
Professor Principal
6.2.4  JBB  replied to  Sparty On @6.2.3    3 months ago

Then what in hell is your point? People need to eat healthier and nobody should be wasting money on overpriced crapola...

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
6.2.5  Sparty On  replied to  JBB @6.2.4    3 months ago

The point is, in a free society, people are free to make their own choices and aren’t required to follow what a few butt hurt libs think.

Ain’t it cool!

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Senior Expert
6.2.6  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JBB @6.2.4    3 months ago
People need to eat healthier and nobody should be wasting money on overpriced crapola...

Here in the nation’s Capital, the poorer sections of town have healthy food deserts with few grocery stores, fewer planed and several shut down.  Limited availability and transportation encourage unhealthy eating.

 
 
 
Gsquared
Professor Principal
6.2.7  Gsquared  replied to  Sparty On @6.2.5    3 months ago
in a free society, people are free to make their own choices and aren’t required to follow what a few butt hurt libs think.

Interesting, because the anti-choice people are mostly brain dead right wingers.

original

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
6.2.8  JBB  replied to  Sparty On @6.2.5    3 months ago

McDonald's is closing because they are not making money!

People are making other choices FREELY! Who makes them?

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
6.2.9  JBB  replied to  Gsquared @6.2.7    3 months ago

Remember Remember The Fifth Of Roevember!

original

original

 
 
 
Krishna
Professor Expert
6.2.10  Krishna  replied to  Sparty On @6.2.3    3 months ago
My friends on the left

You have friends on the left?

 
 
 
Krishna
Professor Expert
6.2.11  Krishna  replied to  JBB @6.2.4    3 months ago

 People need to eat healthier and nobody should be wasting money on overpriced crapola...

But why McDonald's is so unhealthy?
Fast food tends to be high in salt, sugar, saturated fats, trans fats, calories, and processed preservatives and ingredients. A wealth of well-conducted research has proven the negative health effects of consuming too much of these food components.
 
 
 
Krishna
Professor Expert
6.2.12  Krishna  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @6.2.6    3 months ago
 Limited availability and transportation encourage unhealthy eating.

I imagine that numerous prevaricators throughout the region also make things difficult!

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
Professor Guide
6.2.13  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  Sparty On @6.2.3    3 months ago

When someone repeatedly tells you about their “friends on the left”, it’s a sure sign they have no friends on the left.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
6.2.14  Tessylo  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @6.2.13    3 months ago

or otherwise

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
6.2.15  Sparty On  replied to  Gsquared @6.2.7    3 months ago

This topic is talking about saving lives by getting rid of fast food.    I love watching liberals pick and choose their liberties.

If it wasn’t so fucked up it would be funny.

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
6.2.16  Sparty On  replied to  JBB @6.2.8    3 months ago

Really?       Going out of business?    What business they are losing is largely because of higher prices driven by inflation.

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/04/30/mcdonalds-mcd-q1-2024-earnings.html#:~:text=McDonald's%20reported%20first%2Dquarter%20net,more%20than%20a%20year%20ago.

Stop lying!

 
 
 
Gsquared
Professor Principal
6.2.17  Gsquared  replied to  Sparty On @6.2.15    3 months ago

The topic is "in a free society, people are free to make their own choices".  

Maybe your friends on the left can explain it to you.

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
6.2.18  Sparty On  replied to  Gsquared @6.2.17    3 months ago

The ones that are really friends know they don’t need to.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
6.2.19  Tessylo  replied to  Gsquared @6.2.17    3 months ago

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Tessylo
Professor Principal
6.3  Tessylo  replied to  Kavika @6    3 months ago

That's a joke right?

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
6.3.1  JBB  replied to  Tessylo @6.3    3 months ago

Trump is a joke. MAGA is a joke. Butt, Trump is not funny...

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
6.3.2  Tessylo  replied to  JBB @6.3.1    3 months ago

I was asking Kavika - I thought he was referring to McDonald's closing.  It's confusing.

 
 
 
Krishna
Professor Expert
6.4  Krishna  replied to  Kavika @6    3 months ago

They are closing all the Micky D's in America,

They're painting
The passports brown
The beauty parlor
Is filled with sailors
The circus is in town

Here comes
The blind commissioner
They've got him in a trance
One hand is tied
To the tight-rope walker
The other is in his pants

The other is in his pants
And the riot squad
They're restless
They need somewhere to go
As Lady
And I look out tonight
From Desolation Row

 
 
 
cjcold
Professor Quiet
6.5  cjcold  replied to  Kavika @6    3 months ago

And we will all be healthier as a result.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
7  seeder  JohnRussell    3 months ago

Vice President Kamala Harris and former President Donald J. Trump flew to North Carolina this week to deliver what were billed as major speeches on the economy. Neither laid out a comprehensive policy plan — not   Ms. Harris in her half-hour focus   on housing, groceries and prescription drugs, nor   Mr. Trump in 80 minutes of sprinkling various proposals   among musings about dangerous immigrants.

But in their own ways, both candidates sent voters clear and important messages about their economic visions. Each embraced a vision of a powerful federal government, using its muscle to intervene in markets in pursuit of a stronger and more prosperous economy.

They just disagreed, almost entirely, on when and how that power should be used.

In Raleigh on Friday, Ms. Harris began to put her own stamp on the brand of progressive economics that has come to dominate Democratic politics over the last decade. That economic thinking embraces the idea that the federal government must act aggressively to foster competition and correct distortions in private markets.

The approach seeks large tax increases on corporations and high earners, to fund assistance for low-income and middle-class workers who are struggling to build wealth for themselves and their children. At the same time, it provides big tax breaks to companies engaged in what Ms. Harris and other progressives see as delivering great economic benefit — like   manufacturing technologies needed to fight global warming , or building affordable housing.

That philosophy animated the policy agenda that Ms. Harris unveiled on Friday. She pledged to send up to $25,000 in down-payment assistance to every first-time home buyer over four years, while directing $40 billion to construction companies that build starter homes. She said she would permanently reinstate an expanded child tax credit that President Biden temporarily established with his 2021 stimulus law, while offering even more assistance to parents of newborns.

She called for   a federal ban on corporate price gouging   on groceries and for new federal enforcement tools to punish companies that unfairly push up food prices. “My plan will include new penalties for opportunistic companies that exploit crises and break the rules,” she said, adding: “We will help the food industry become more competitive, because I believe competition is the lifeblood of our economy.”

Questions remain over the rest of Ms. Harris’s agenda, including which tax increases she would favor to offset those tax cuts and spending programs. The nonpartisan Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget, which is focused on deficit reduction,   estimated on Friday   that the plans she unveiled would raise the federal deficit by $1.7 trillion over the next decade, if not paid for.

But the main thrust of Ms. Harris’s vision is clear: a mixture of government intervention and government assistance, all meant to help Americans climb their way into the middle class.

As Gene Sperling, a former economic aide to three Democratic presidents who is a senior economic adviser to Ms. Harris, put it: “Her focus on an opportunity economy and her stress on homeownership show she is focused like a laser on both lowering costs to help families make ends meet and being able to get ahead by owning a home or starting a small business.”

Mr. Trump’s pitch is simpler: He says that he made America rich the first time he was in the White House, and that he would do it again. He also blames Ms. Harris and Mr. Biden for a surge in inflation under their administration.

“I gave Harris and Biden an economic miracle, and they quickly turned it into an economic nightmare,” he said in Asheville on Wednesday, omitting the job and income losses of the 2020 pandemic recession on his watch.

Like Ms. Harris, though, Mr. Trump offered a string of pledges on how he would wield government power to intervene in markets and help consumers. He said he would direct his cabinet to somehow bring down the cost of car insurance in the first 100 days of his presidency, or possibly even the first week. He said he would cut energy prices in half.

He said he would deport millions of immigrants to bring housing prices down.

Mr. Trump also ratcheted up a promise to impose new taxes on imported goods — from every country the United States trades with — in a bid to force more companies to make products in America. Previously, Mr. Trump said he would tax imports at a 10 percent rate; in Asheville, he said the rate could be as high as 20 percent.   Those tariffs are paid by U.S. importers, not foreign countries . Economic research suggests they would, to some degree, raise prices and serve as a tax on consumers.

This, too, is a clear vision of federal power reshaping the economy. It is a foundation of Mr. Trump’s economic agenda and, in many cases, a break from the conservative economic orthodoxy that long dominated the Republican Party.

But Mr. Trump has not abandoned all of that tradition. He pledged to continue cutting taxes, including extending cuts for individuals that he signed in a 2017 tax overhaul and eliminating federal income taxes on Social Security benefits and tip income. He also promised to roll back federal regulations of business, including environmental regulations and restrictions on oil drilling on some public lands.

An analysis based on reports from the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget suggests that Mr. Trump’s tax cuts   could add $7 trillion to the deficit   over a decade, only some of which would be offset by tariffs or a repeal of tax breaks signed by Mr. Biden. Economists warn that higher deficits could stoke more inflation. Trump aides say his agenda will lower prices.

“If you were to cut taxes, deregulate the economy, produce more energy — all of those policies are deflationary, not inflationary,” Stephen Moore, a co-founder of the conservative Committee to Unleash Prosperity and a policy adviser to Mr. Trump, told reporters on Friday.

In North Carolina, Mr. Trump and Ms. Harris each sought to cast the other’s philosophy of federal power as a threat to the economy and working families.

Mr. Trump warned that Ms. Harris would cause a 1929-style stock crash if elected. Ms. Harris said Mr. Trump’s tariffs would amount to “a Trump tax on gas, a Trump tax on food, a Trump tax on clothing, a Trump tax on over-the-counter medication.”

There was little overlap in the speeches. Ms. Harris pledged a small amount of deregulation, saying she would cut “red tape” to speed housing construction. Both candidates spoke highly of Medicare. Ms. Harris had said in recent days that, like Mr. Trump, she supports exempting some tipped income from federal taxes. In Raleigh, she did not mention that particular source of agreement.
 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
7.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  JohnRussell @7    3 months ago

in the past 24 hrs ...............

Harris articulated how she is for the middle class and the working class. 

Trump articulated that he doesnt respect our military. 

 
 
 
Krishna
Professor Expert
7.1.1  Krishna  replied to  JohnRussell @7.1    3 months ago
Trump articulated

Trump can articulate?

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
7.2  CB  replied to  JohnRussell @7    3 months ago
Mr. Trump’s pitch is simpler: He says that he made America rich the first time he was in the White House, and that he would do it again. He also blames Ms. Harris and Mr. Biden for a surge in inflation under their administration. “I gave Harris and Biden an economic miracle, and they quickly turned it into an economic nightmare,” he said in Asheville on Wednesday, omitting the job and income losses of the 2020 pandemic recession on his watch.

Well, we all know without a doubt if it is a day ending in "y" that Donald (mothball - 78) is instantly a prevaricator.  Nobody, but nobody, can trust a prevaricator! Donald is untrustworthy.

 
 
 
Krishna
Professor Expert
7.3  Krishna  replied to  JohnRussell @7    3 months ago
In Raleigh, she did not mention that particular source of agreement.

Why not?

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
7.4  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  JohnRussell @7    3 months ago

TLDNFR

 
 
 
Gsquared
Professor Principal
8  Gsquared    3 months ago

Trump is starved for brains.  He doesn't have any.  It's already a famine with the MAGA.

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
Professor Guide
9  Hal A. Lujah    3 months ago

I heard the Yellowstone Supervolcano is going to blow if Harris is elected, but it wouldn’t dare if Don-old wins.

 
 
 
cjcold
Professor Quiet
9.1  cjcold  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @9    3 months ago

It's way past due. We're all going to die.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
10  Vic Eldred    3 months ago

"If Kamala is elected and implements her Communist Price Caps, there will be famine, starvation, and poverty, the likes of which we have never seen. America will NEVER recover!" Trump claimed.

Oh wow! Did he really say that! 

That settles it. I'm going to vote for the Socialist authoritarian regime of Kamala Harris / S

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
10.1  TᵢG  replied to  Vic Eldred @10    3 months ago

Do you believe Trump?

Do you believe this too?:  

"Kamala will implement SOVIET Style Price Controls," he wrote, mixing his capitalization. Trump then claimed that "EVERY American will be taxed up to 80% of their income!"

"If Kamala is elected and implements her Communist Price Caps, there will be famine, starvation, and poverty, the likes of which we have never seen. America will NEVER recover!"

"Kamala Harris wants to raise your taxes and make you pay for free healthcare and free housing in luxury hotels for her millions of illegal aliens," ...

And this?:

“Under her plan, Kamala will implement SOVIET Style Price Controls,” he wrote in one post, adding “She will abolish private health care, and make California’s ridiculous tax policies the law of the land, meaning EVERY American will be taxed up to 80% of their income!”

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
10.1.1  CB  replied to  TᵢG @10.1    3 months ago

Donald (a 78 years old prevaricator) is truly untrustworthy. It's nearly impossible to establish a baseline with Donald for the truth that is not handicapped by his propensity to lie repeatedly on any day ending in 'y.'  So the liar is lying and fear-mongering now as well.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
10.1.2  Vic Eldred  replied to  TᵢG @10.1    3 months ago

"If your opponent claims you’re a ‘communist,’ maybe don’t start with an economic agenda that can (accurately) be labeled as federal price controls," Rampell wrote Thursday.

Opinion | Harris’s economic plan is full of gimmicks that don’t make sense - The Washington Post

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
10.1.3  TᵢG  replied to  Vic Eldred @10.1.2    3 months ago

The opposition will use labels and other dishonest tactics no matter what one does.   

It is a shame that so many voters cannot see past this.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
10.1.4  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @10.1.2    3 months ago

Mainstream media will never praise Harris' economic plans that threaten corporate profits. And that includes the Washington Post. It was totally predictable that WAPO would criticize her. 

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
10.1.5  Sparty On  replied to  JohnRussell @10.1.4    3 months ago

Bullshit, the lamestream media is almost always in the Dems pocket.  

You know it, I know it, the American people know it.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
10.1.6  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Sparty On @10.1.5    3 months ago

Not when it comes to criticism of corporations.  The mainstream media has NEVER featured much criticism of corporations, nor have they ever supported economic populism.  Independent progressive publications have been complaining about this for decades. 

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
10.1.7  Sparty On  replied to  JohnRussell @10.1.6    3 months ago

Well, that makes sense because the Oligopoly that is the liberal mass media, certainly isn’t going to criticize itself.

 
 
 
cjcold
Professor Quiet
10.2  cjcold  replied to  Vic Eldred @10    3 months ago

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JBB
Professor Principal
10.2.1  JBB  replied to  cjcold @10.2    3 months ago

The progression from traditional gop to full blown goes something like Rush, Fox News, Alex Jones, MAGA, Qanon to Putin's Stooge!

 
 
 
cjcold
Professor Quiet
10.2.2  cjcold  replied to  JBB @10.2.1    3 months ago

[]

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
10.2.3  JBB  replied to  cjcold @10.2.2    3 months ago

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Sparty On
Professor Principal
10.2.4  Sparty On  replied to  JBB @10.2.1    3 months ago

And this certainly isn’t your father’s Democrat party.    JFK is spinning around in his grave.

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
10.3  JBB  replied to  Vic Eldred @10    3 months ago

Nearly four years ago you predicted a bad recession. Then three years ago you declared a recession. Two years ago you declared recession again. Last year you declared recession. Six months ago you declared recession. A week ago you declared we were in a huge recession.

The Dow Jones Industrial Average closed above 40,659 on Friday.

I made a fortune the last 4 years betting against those forecasts...

Thank You! Sincerely thanks for having reverse predictive powers!

 
 
 
cjcold
Professor Quiet
10.3.1  cjcold  replied to  JBB @10.3    3 months ago

Betting against far-right wing fascists has made me a rich man.

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
10.3.2  JBB  replied to  cjcold @10.3.1    3 months ago

Rich is subjective. I was very comfortable. It doubled in 4 years!

I did endow a scholarship at A Liberal University in economics...

Pay It Forward

 
 
 
cjcold
Professor Quiet
10.3.3  cjcold  replied to  JBB @10.3.2    3 months ago

I was never that rich. Just comfortable.

Wrote a few songs back in the day and am continually surprised by the royalty checks. 

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
10.3.4  JBB  replied to  cjcold @10.3.3    3 months ago

Born on home plate, but I worked forty years and always invested 15% plus from paychecks, saved my bonuses and reinvested all my returns while living relatively frugally, except for my cars. Compared to rich rich I am not, but I have more $$$ now than I have time...

It is why I am ate up with guilt and shame for my White Privilege!

LOL!

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
10.3.5  Tessylo  replied to  JBB @10.3    3 months ago

It's always PD&D+delusion with some.  Always believe the opposite of what certain folks say.

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
10.3.6  Sparty On  replied to  JBB @10.3    3 months ago

And yet, Bidens approval rating is still at record lows.     Curious if things are really that good don’t you think?

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
10.3.7  Sparty On  replied to  JBB @10.3.2    3 months ago
It doubled in 4 years!

So you outperformed the Dow by nearly 200% in that time period?

Unbelievable, literally.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Senior Expert
10.3.8  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Sparty On @10.3.7    3 months ago

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MrFrost
Professor Guide
11  MrFrost    3 months ago

Harris for President. The Stock market at 40,000, 13,000 points higher than when Trump was in office. GDP at 2.8%, it was only 2.3% under Trump. Unemployment at 4.3%, it was 6.3% under Trump. Inflation is down to 2.9%, the lowest inflation since March of 2021. Jobs added under Biden/Harris, 16 million. We lost 3.5 million jobs under Trump. Wage increases are up 4.1% in the last 12 months, with inflation at 2.9% that means wage increases are higher than the inflation rate. If you had put your money in an Index ETF fund like VTI 3.5 years ago when Biden got elected, you would have made a 78% gain on your investment. And the only people who do not know all that are the people who watch Fox News, because they do not tell you these are the real stats, and that the country is doing great.

 
 
 
GregTx
Professor Guide
11.1  GregTx  replied to  MrFrost @11    3 months ago
and that the country is doing great.

Opinions do vary....

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
11.1.1  Tessylo  replied to  GregTx @11.1    3 months ago

The truth doesn't.....

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Guide
11.1.2  MrFrost  replied to  Tessylo @11.1.1    3 months ago

The truth doesn't.....

Bingo. 

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Senior Expert
11.2  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  MrFrost @11    3 months ago

Exactly, it’s hard to understand how COVID affected the market.

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
11.3  Sparty On  replied to  MrFrost @11    3 months ago

And yet, Biden’s approval rating is near an all time low.

How can this be?

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
12  TᵢG    3 months ago
Donald Trump, who struggled to stay on message in two economic speeches this week, warned America it could face famine if his Democratic opponent, Kamala Harris, is elected.

So let's see, what does the Bible offer?:

  • Floods
  • Storms
  • Earthquakes
  • Asteroids
  • Fire & Brimstone
  • Plagues
  • Pestilence
  • Curses
  • Kill firstborn
  • Wild beasts
  • Conquest
  • Locusts
  • Famine

He used famine already.   I guess he cannot use pestilence given we just had the pandemic.   Any bets on what might happen next if Trump is not elected?   Conquest might be covered by his WWIII threat and his border invasion threat.   

No doubt this fear-mongering asshole will add a few more scare tactics before November.

 

 
 

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