A Bad Time To Be Haitian In America
The political right in America would like you to believe that all Haitians are cannibals waiting to happen. They would also like you to believe that the very entry of any Haitians into our country will turn the US into a third world nation.
This is a race thing. This is Black African country with an average IQ of 67. This is how Wakanda looks like in real life. You do not want these people in your country. Please don't be shitlib boomers Americans.
The "debate" over Haitians living in the United States has ratcheted up since the presidential debate. Crackpot social media misfits have rushed into Springfield Ohio to make videos "proving" that the Haitian immigrants there eat other peoples pets. The Haitians in that community, of which there said to be 15,000, now have the metaphorical target on their backs. Its probably safe to say that their integration into that community will now never happen.
The latest bit on twitter (X) is that Haitians are cannibals. There exist entire threads on twitter dedicated to calling Haitians cannibals and claiming it is simply part of their culture. I asked GPT if cannibalism is a thing in Haiti
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There is no credible evidence to support claims of widespread or historical cannibalism in Haiti. Experts, including Marlene Daut, a Caribbean historian at Yale University, have stated that there is zero evidence of cannibalism occurring in Haiti12. The U.S. State Department has also confirmed that it has received no credible reports of such practices2.
However, there have been isolated and extremely rare instances reported in recent years, often linked to violent gangs rather than the general population34. These cases are not representative of the country as a whole.
If you have any other questions or need more information, feel free to ask!
There is a video , about a minute long, which appears to show a man pulling flesh off a burning body being cremated in what appears to be a war zone and putting it in his mouth.
Okay, some depraved gang cult may have individuals who do this, what the number may be is entirely unclear from this video or any of the twitter comments.
The political right in America would like you to believe that all Haitians are cannibals waiting to happen. They would also like you to believe that the very entry of any Haitians into our country will turn the US into a third world nation.
As of 2022, people of Haitian descent, including partial Haitian descent , represent roughly one third of one percent
(0.00333333333) of the U.S. population . Yet, they will turn the U.S. into a third world country? 1 out of every 300 people will have such influence on our society and culture? BS. It is a million times more likely that America will turn these immigrants into Americans, over time. And even if they dont "assimilate" the way some of us would like, or even demand, they represent no threat whatever to the American way of life. To the contrary , at the moment the American way of life from the far right seems to represent a threat to them.
The governor of Ohio, a conservative Republican, says there is no dog or cat eating going on in Ohio. Business owners say the Haitians are on the whole hard workers who have been a benefit to the business community. There doesnt seem to be a gang issue with Haitians in Springfield.
Why is this happening ? Well Trump called Haiti a shithole country once, and it is a very troubled and violent place a lot of the time, that is why people want to get the hell out of there. They come to America and are now scapegoats in what amounts to a race war of words.
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How long before Trump conflates Hannibal Lecter with Haitian immigrants in his rally speeches? Id give it two or three days.
What do you call an Haitian Immigrant that has and loves his puppy?
Recent middle class.
What do you call an Haitian Immigrant with three or more puppies?
An entrepreneurial rancher.
Why did the Biden/Harris administration dump 15-20 thousands of them on a small town?
They didn't.
Dying Springfield businesses started advertising for 20,000 laborers 5 years ago.
Haitians made it to Mexico, got the proper apps and applied for valid CB1s which allowed them to enter the US legally, apparently under Trump's Wait in Mexico program.
They came to Springfield in small numbers at first, got their work permits and gradually brought Springfield back from the brink as word of mouth brought more Haitians to the area.
They have no path to citizenship and most were under a program set to expire in 2025.
Answering Springfield's alarm at that, the only thing the Biden Admin has done, is extend the program to 02/2026.
In spite of the attention and denial, complaining about strained infrastructure, etc., the last thing Springfield wants is
to lose 20,000 jobs.
I think this is clear evidence of the massive disconnect that Trump supporters have with the truth and reality.
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that long?
Of course, one of the shit-hole countries deemed by the former 'president'
He incites and the maga threaten. It's distressing. It's deplorable.
Yes, he deemed it a shithole country but many of them entered under Trump's watch legally.
Keep your pets on a leash! /S
There's this hilarious song out there about 'They're eating the dogs. They're eating the cats.' The proceeds go to a local animal shelter. I wish I could post it here. I think it's on Tik Tok. Not sure.
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Too many years ago to admit, I worked for George Bush and he said "read my lips, no new taxes" and I cringed
knowing that that stupid phrase would make Bill Clinton the next President.
I think this may be Trump's "read my lips" moment.
You know why? Because it is a shithole country
That doesn't change the fact that they waited in Mexico and got permission to come in during his administration.
Only James K. Polk, Andrew Johnson and Donald Trump did not have a White House pet while president.
It actually takes empathy to have a pet. Empathy is something Trump doesn't experience.
Kamala Harris' father came from Jamaica. How long until the far right equates Jamaica with the "cannibal" Haitians ? That is probably happening somewhere on social media as we speak.
Don't give them any ideas. We have spies from QAnon*** and someone just that statement and ran with it
***I don't know if there are spies from QAnon but if they can make up ridiculous conspiracy theories, so can I
I knew Bob Marley and some of his crew back in the day.
Most of Bob's songs were about love, peace and justice.
From June:
Over half-a-million Haitians already in the United States will be eligible for deportation protections after the Biden administration announced it is expanding a federal program that allows nationals of Haiti to temporarily live and work here amid their Caribbean nation’s worsening gang violence and humanitarian crisis.
Department of Homeland Secretary Alejando Mayorkas announced on Friday that the agency would extend and redesignate Temporary Protected Status, or TPS, for Haiti for 18 months. The agency cited the country’s ongoing violence and insecurity, and Haitians’ “limited access to safety, health care, food and water.”
To benefit, Haitians need to have been in the U.S. as of June 3. One of the largest groups of Haitians expected to benefit under the Biden plan are those who arrived in the U.S. as part of a two-year humanitarian parole program. Currently, there are approximately 214,000 Haitians who are receiving TPS benefits. Another 309,000, including those here under the humanitarian program, may become newly eligible following Friday’s announcement.
Haitians enrolled in TPS are protected from deportation and can apply for work permits. The designation, once targeted for termination by President Donald Trump during his administration, is reserved for countries in turmoil as a result of devastating natural disaster, armed conflict or other extraordinary conditions.
“We are providing this humanitarian relief to Haitians already present in the United States given the conditions that existed in their home country as of June 3, 2024. In doing so, we are realizing the core objective of the TPS law and our obligation to fulfill it,” Secretary of Homeland Security Alejandro Mayorkas said in a statement.
Haitians enrolled in TPS are protected from deportation and can apply for work permits. The designation, once targeted for termination by President Donald Trump during his administration, is reserved for countries in turmoil as a result of devastating natural disaster, armed conflict or other extraordinary conditions.
Biden widens deportation relief for Haitians in U.S., including parole program recipients (yahoo.com)
kay, some depraved gang cult may have individuals who do this,
Okay then...
1 out of every 300 people will have such influence
20,000 out of 80,000 is not 1 out of 300.
But sure, bring back plantations. Worked great for Ireland.
Do you think Haitian immigrants are capable of turning America into a third world country?
Yes, along with all the others let in. They are dragging America down and wasting taxpayer money
Nonsense.
Feral cats eh?
Trump let them in under "Wait in Mexico" program.
absolutely
JFC they are all here LEGALLY. Don't drag 'all the others let in' into it though THEY ARE ALL OUR FELLOW HUMAN BEINGS
They are NOT dragging America down OR wasting taxpayer money
They contribute more than they take
Your agreement with the feral cats ignorance is just that, ignorance.
Then why are cities begging the feds for more money to take care of immigrants and why are some even cutting back services for taxpayers?
That comment is racist, plain and simple. We're nearly all immigrants to this country and have been bringing in more immigrants continuously. In which case, if the country is being 'dragged down' by immigrants. . . we're all dragging it down and wasting taxpayer money as we do so.
Let's all leave the country. Give it back to Native Americans for their proper stewardship of it.
How's about we take of our own first before trying to save the world when we clearly can't afford to.
Oh and by the way. . . this land is not owned by 'anybody' or group of 'anybodys' - we need to nip that theory in its bud. Some people have a lot of nerve. 'They' don't own this country. . . never have.
You are free to do so.
Forget about 'giving it back' though.
If they are legal immigrants. . . they are our own. And the United States does try to save the world. . .that philosophical point has left many presidents' pens centuries ago. Indeed, our nation has prospered from our 'efforts' and resources 'sent' out and spent out to save the world.
And they should support themselves.
Other than the two World Wars, that certainly has worked out, eh? /SSSSSS
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Well, the Haitians being verbally attacked, schools and officials under threat are being done so by people who evidently don't know or care that these Hattians are legal immigrants to our fine and fair country.
Keep it up cheesehead, believing this bs is like believing the 2020 election was stolen… oh wait, do you believe that?
check out the latest news and also an article posted on NT it's a bullshit fb post and you fell for it. LMAO
As a visitor to Little Haiti, I have yet to see dogs or cats being served but some very delicious Creole food and certainly, no cannibalism taking place. I do see a lot of small businesses and hard workers.
In speaking with them there is a pride that during the Revolutionary War, volunteers came from Haiti and fought at the Battle of Savannah helping the Americans avoid a disastrous defeat. There is a beautiful monument in Savannah built to commemorate this.
And it;s been forgotten by so-called patriots. I didn't know that they came to fight in the Battle of Savannah. Now I do and I'm glad
Been there, can't find the pictures, lol.
Are you 100% or as they say on TV, are you 4 certain
sure about that?
If you choose to follow Trump and JD about that bullshit go for it.
It is simply racist BS and has been proven to be false in Ohio and also little Haiti.
Interesting how far right wing fascists lie like Fox and Trump. Seems the truth isn't in them.
Okay, what lies has a far right wing fascist ever told you?
Honestly, Ohio could use a bit more of Caribbean spice...
Well,having spent two thirds of my life in Ohio, I can say it is full of jerk.
It may be a bad time to be a Haitian in America, but it's a hell of lot worse time to be a Haitian in Haiti.
Politics / September 13, 2024
Trump’s gambit is bad, but Vance’s is even worse. He’s one of Ohio’s senators; these are his constituents. How can he endanger them like this?
Former president Donald Trump and Ohio Senator JD Vance attend a remembrance ceremony on the 23rd anniversary of the September 11, 2001, attacks, in New York City.
At the top of his golf course Friday morning, in Rancho Palos Verdes, California—with its staggering views of the Pacific Ocean and that mesmerizing coastline—Donald Trump announced that, if reelected, he would kick off his promised mass deportations of illegal immigrants in landlocked, rundown but reviving Springfield, Ohio, where he and his despicable beta-male running mate JD Vance continue to falsely claim that Haitian immigrants are eating local dogs and cats and pets generally. (Today, Trump added the claim that they were harvesting geese at local parks.)
There were problems with Trump’s logic, as always. First, according to local officials, there is zero evidence anyone is eating pets. Second, the Haitians in Springfield are there legally, with work permits, to help shore up the struggling economy. They would be hard to deport, Donald; even Ohio’s GOP Governor Mike DeWine and Republican Springfield Mayor Rob Rue defend them.
Also, Trump claimed he’d be deporting Venezuelans from Springfield, but they aren’t there. There reportedly are some Venezuelans in Aurora, Colo., and Trump said that would also be an early mass deportation target. I guess he got confused. As always.
It wasn’t enough that the Trump-Vance racist lies have led to bomb threats and the evacuation of Springfield City Hall and two local elementary schools. Elementary schools. Really? They are bearing down on their lies. They are enjoying the fact that these immigrants also happen to be Black. Meanwhile, former Democrat Marianne Williamson should be excommunicated from the community of the decent for endorsing the Trump/Vance lie by noting Haitians have been known to practice “voodoo.”
One of the things that I think is so remarkable, and tragic, is the only known Ohio example of someone eating a cat involved a mentally ill woman in Canton, Ohio, last July. We don’t have enough mental health care in this country, for anyone. But native born Americans are more likely to commit crimes than immigrants. We’ve all known that for a long time. Trump knows it too. But he and Vance traded in what is essentially a kind of blood libel. These are vicious bloody people, who want to take our nearest and dearest (oh, they also lie about these immigrants raping young white women, so it’s not just about pets.)
We also learned today that the neo-Nazi “Blood Tribe” had made a point of pushing these false Springfield allegations into the public sphere, and ultimately all the way to Trump and Vance. These Blood Tribe creeps won the day.
Leading Ohio Republicans, to their credit, are upset. DeWine denounced the Trump-Vance lies. “We need help not hate. We need people to believe the best about the community,” Mayor Rob Rue told MSNBC Friday afternoon . “We need [Trump and Vance to] understand what their words are doing to Springfield, Ohio.” Asked if he was worried about the potential of violence, he answered: “I’m definitely concerned.”
Trump lost his debate with Kamala Harris, badly. He was beaten, in his words, “like a dog” (decent people don’t beat dogs, but he’s not decent and that’s one of his favorite expressions). If anything, though, Vance’s gambit is worse. He’s one of Ohio’s senators; these are his constituents. How can he endanger them like this?
But he just keeps escalating, like his boss, the last couple of days. Recently, he went back 30 years to claims that Haitians are also spreading AIDS. The Haitian Times reports that many families are reporting threats and vandalism, and keeping their children home from school.
Of course, as Kamala Harris likes to say, tough times also bring out the heroes. Two Springfield heroes are Nathan and Danielle Clark, whose 11-year-old son, Aiden, was killed in a school bus crash involving a Haitian immigrant last year.
“Using Aiden as a political tool is, to say the least, reprehensible for any political purpose,” Clark said. “Morally bankrupt politicians—Bernie Moreno, Chip Roy, JD Vance and Donald Trump—they have spoken my son’s name and used his death for political gain.
“They can vomit all the hate they want about illegal immigrants, the Border crisis and even untrue claims about fluffy pets being ravaged and eaten by community members,” Clark continued. “However, they are not allowed nor have they ever been allowed to mention Aiden Clark from Springfield, Ohio. Please stop the hate.”
I wish we could, Nathan. I wish we could. But these are just terrible people.
Earlier today Trump was asked by a reporter something along the lines of if he regretted saying Haitians were eating cats and dogs in Ohio , since there have been bomb threats and elementary school evacuations as a result.
Trump didnt hesitate to think about the question at all , replying that we have to deport or we wont have a country.
These people were admitted to the USA 5 years ago under Trump's Wait in Mexico. They got their paperwork in order and answered the distress signals from Springfield. They have no path to citizenship, their current TPS was to expire in 2025 but Biden extended it at the behest of Springfield OH to 2026.
Trump still says he opposes TPS and will get rid of it so he can deport all 20,000 Springfield OH laborers and effectively cripple the town.
Leadership /S
Trump is a long-time, proven, serial liar. Trump wants to be president so badly we haven't seen the last of his outrageous lies. Seems he picked a VP candidate of his own stripe.
America is in for a world of hurt if these two evil assholes are ever elected to power.
It is a shame that Donald and J.D. Vance can lies so OPENLY, SHAMELESSLY, AND RECKLESSLY about Haitians in Springfield, Ohio and still not be condemned or disqualified by GOP officials. Who is in charge 'over there'? Besides, Crooked Donald and J. D. Vance. . . .
Simple, they are not white. The US has a long history of this with minorities. They are less human than anything else goes.
Crooked Donald has a long history of interfering in the proper assimilation and development of Blacks and other minorities into society. And we are done begging and pleading with bigots to end their tendency to meddle. It is time to take our national destiny out of the hands of people who won't ever just be content to just let 'us' live without their ridiculous 'judgements.'
In regard to the picture of the former 'president' convicted felon and rapist and traitor at the 9/11 event, did you hear about the 9/11 conspiracy whackjob freakshow Loomer - the one who said 9/11 was an inside job - who accompanied him to the event in your photo, have you seen - has anyone here seen - all the stuff about the former 'president' and Loomer and the upcoming election, and her closeness to the former 'president' - a very intimate closeness to the former 'president' - and what that all means with the upcoming election and another possible 1/6 event?
Are any of those folks Haitians?
I'd believe almost anybody on this planet before I'd believe anything Trump, Vance or Loomer would have to say.
Folks, this far right wing lie fest is going to get a lot worse before it gets better (if it ever does).
Since Fox started, lies have been the SOP of the far right. The right wing fascists learned from Mark Twain that a lie can run around the world before the truth can even get their shoes on.
So damn sick of what the fascists are doing to America!
Okay.
And?
I am not sure why you are responding in this manner. Not one word is related to my post in any way.
Not to be redundant John but, in one of his hateful hatefilled rants recently, the former 'president' used the language - something to the effect of - 'they are raping and sodomizing young white women'
NO, he's not inciting anyone, not at all.
Pete Butigieg
Pete Buttigieg, is one interesting and well-put together man. I love listening to him. Something about him is charismatic (he is even starting to look better. That is more mature to me.). . . . Oh! That charisma I mentioned he has is not his appearance, but his deep mind. He has an ability to 'make the case'—cool, calm, and collectively. I love that! A man comfortable, definitely so, in his own skin!
The United States brand reputation is changing. People are beginning to realize they are not welcomed here. They will take their talents and skills to other developing countries.
But they are welcomed here.
Come legally and be fully self-supporting, perfect!!
Crooked Donald and J.D. Vance are lashing out against LEGAL HAITIAN IMMIGRANTS in a small Ohio town and typically lying his buttocks off! It's UNINVITING.
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Let them go there and be a problem there
Meaning what exactly? Where is the proof to share that legal Haitians are a problem here. Donald is LYING about Haitians- it is He, the "American" that is a problem! He should go wherever 'there' is.
We shouldn't have to pay for immigrants.
We pay to help people get started in this country. It's socially responsible to do so.
We shouldn't. The criteria should be all immigrants are self-supporting or have a legal resident swear to support them.
And fiscally irresponsible.
Just because something 'feels good' doesn't mean we should do it.
That kind of thinking helped put us TRILLIONS in debt.
" It's socially responsible to do so."
Not to the people paying the tax bills
Did anyone pay you to 'get started' in this country?
I wonder why people think spending money on foreigners over our own citizens is sound financial advice.
Please. This country spends money to make money. We all know it is true. It's capitalism. Just not capitalism in its rawest form. Just ask a banker.
Now more to the point. Do read this (below):
Furthermore, read the link it has 'tons' of information I am not posting here as to the 'nuance' of what Springfield wishes for its community ( of immigrants. . . and themselves ).
using the business example, remember Citizens are Stockholders others are not
Kind of makes one wonder why non-shareholders (immigrants) are getting dividends (handouts) and we're not.
Some of these Haitians will be citizens by the end of this lengthy process, I think. Also, our role is to help humanity and a brother or sister in need. When we give up on that; the world will have given up on us a unified people! Some can put their heads down and not look around at the major misery in other parts of the world, but know this, when we do (look away and not lift a finger) the world will see that. . .it will 'move on' to other countries. . . our blessings as a nation will move on with them. Actions (like isolationism) have unintended consequences—also. That is, in every 'situation' encountered in this life there are multiple levels of audiences (some far removed) that are watching, studying, the 'stage' we're on executing our ways of life!
Others will approve of how we treat our fellow 'man' - Haitians, or conversely, they will see how we treat our fellow 'man' - Haitians, and avoid 'us' like the plague. We will wonder why we're are on an international 'shit-list' and likely not associate it with a return to tired, old, bigoted, separatist, and racist attitudes that the world thought this nation had excised from its stream of consciousness. Only to come to the realization that 'America' has not changed: It's Back!
We can not afford to borrow yet more money to spend on immigrants who should be self-supporting.
As it is, we are spending huge sums pf money just to service the debt.
It simply isn't sustainable, and no amount of spinning about how immigrants contribute will change the facts that right now, we are borrowing money to feed, clothe, shelter, and medicate immigrants, all while US citizens go without. Money we simply can't afford.
Add in the billions in proposed new spending and what will eventually happen is that we won't have the money for any little pet projects or even to defend ourselves.
Who'd ever think that servicing just our debt would amount to more than the Department of Defense budget.
See 9.2.7. Immigrants are not why this country is indebted. The last word is 'Open for business.'
I see nothing new in it from the first time I read it.
Strawman argument. I never stated anything like that.
Nope.
The last word would be "Bankruptcy".
"Others will approve of how we treat our fellow 'man'"
are others paying the bill?
I don't care about their approval
Do you think others would help us?
Very few are actually paying the bill, considering how many people are here.
Reeks of being needy, wanting others' approval.
Wouldn't that be a switcheroo!
The above is my complete sentence (to the period at the end). Quote me to the end of a sentence if you want proper context. As for what I wrote I stand by it. 9.2.7 is what Springfield officials have to say about it.
If some conservatives want to complain about people coming here to provide needed, prosperous, service and work for the nation. . .then know that is just some conservatives who unfailingly and invariably seem to complain about people of color and minorities.
No one can be expected to live trying to satisfy people who never assent the positive!
This nation is not indebted because of immigrants. It's easy to try to stick them with that accusation, but an accusation is all it is.
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A whole lot of liberals apparently believe that we have an unlimited amount of financial resources and should pay for everyone because they exist.
Has anyone offered up a rational, reasonable, logical explanation for the US taxpayers to be paying anything for immigrants?
NO!
That's what I figured.
I am pretty sure when money is spent on some conservative INTERESTS. . . "silence is golden." (Chuckles.)
Well, you being pretty sure doesn't really mean anything.
I don't complain when tax money is spent on things I like and think are a good use.
Some conservatives are not the only citizens who have to be content with life in this country! The 'others' want and deserve some contentment too!
How does that address his post?