Two Elections: "The rules were that you guys weren’t going to fact-check"
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Two Elections: "The rules were that you guys weren’t going to fact-check"
emptywheel 9-11 minutes 11/10/2024
I want to elaborate on something I said on Nicole Sandler’s show on Friday . There were really two elections last Tuesday.
In one, politics worked.
In the other, propaganda worked far better. Trump didn’t even hide that he was running on propaganda. JD Vance said it plainly during his debate: their campaign wasn’t willing to participate in any venue that would fact check. They did not contest this election on true claims about policy. Indeed, hours after Trump’s win became clear, one after another influencer announced that, yes, Donald Trump really does plan on implementing Project 2025, even though he falsely disavowed it as a core tenet of his campaign over and over.
Trump won with about the same number of votes he got in 2020. But they were different votes: more Hispanics, fewer white people. He will win the popular vote, too, but it’s not yet clear by how much.
Harris lost. But she lost differently in contested states and uncontested states. In uncontested states, the country moved upwards of 6% towards Trump. In contested states, Harris halved that movement by 3%. That is, where she followed the old rules of campaigning, persuasion, and GOTV, it worked, some, to counter the larger propaganda wave.
Meanwhile, a lot of people only voted for Trump. That’s why Democratic Senators are on pace to win four swing states that Trump won.
And Democrats had resilience down ballot in other places, too. A number of democrats in districts Trump won by double digits kept their seats. In several states, less conservative judges were kept. In Montana, the legislature moved left. In addition to most of the abortion referenda, right wingers lost referenda on school vouchers in ruby red states.
There is no getting around the devastation of Trump’s win. But the down ballot resilience will end up being very important — and also suggests some areas of vulnerability for Republicans.
Democrats are already at each others’ throat over whether politics could have worked better — who is to blame. Some idiots are arguing that Democrats lost because they’re too “woke,” as if they don’t know that “wokeness” was a propaganda creation the entire time, propaganda created by men waging cultural war on behalf of aggrieved men. We can come back to the two issues — Harris’ silence on Gaza and her cultivation of Republicans — that might plausibly have led Democrats to stay home.
But given the larger dynamic of the race — that politics worked where it was done, but propaganda worked far better — Democrats would be far better to use the two months they’ve got to inventory their tools (one of which is that down ballot resilience), breathe, and think about how to counter the propaganda, because Trump will be in a position to keep doing what he just did unless Democrats find a way to counter the propaganda.
I’m not the only one making that observation. Michael Tomasky noted that Trump won on inaccurate perceptions about the economy. Amanda Marcotte wrote about this dissonance at Salon , pointing to a bunch of studies showing that people who get information from non-news sites prefer Harris’ policies but nevertheless voted for Trump.
The problem wasn’t Democratic policy or messaging. It’s ignorance. As Heather “Digby” Parton wrote at Salon Wednesday , people backed Trump’s “aesthetics and attitudes” but knew nothing about his policies. Before the election, Catherine Rampell and Youyou Zhou at the Washington Post polled voters about policies without revealing which candidate proposed them. Harris’ were far more popular — even Trump voters generally liked her ideas more, as long as they knew they weren’t hers.
When voters have factual information about the candidates, they prefer Democrats. Polls from earlier this year show that people who consume news from journalistic outlets — newspapers, network news programs, and news websites — overwhelmingly planned to vote for the Democratic candidate. Newspaper readers clocked in at 70% Democratic support, and network news viewers were 55% Democratic. News website readers were only less so because the survey didn’t distinguish between legitimate sites like Salon and bunk outlets like Breitbart, but still: merely being a person who reads stuff makes you more liberal. In states where heavy ad spending helped educate voters a little more on Harris’ plans, she lost less ground than in places where that money wasn’t spent.
The problem is most people simply do not absorb quality information. Instead, increasing numbers of Americans have a media diet that is mostly a bunch of lies, conspiracy theories, irrelevant diatribes and other such bunkum that right-wing propagandists use to deceive people. A study released by Pew Research in September showed people were exponentially more likely to get “news” from social media detritus than legitimate news outlets . And those results almost certainly downplay the ratio of nonsense-to-real news, since most people taking the poll won’t want to admit that they mostly scroll TikTok all day and haven’t read an actual article in eons. Looking at newspaper sales and news site traffic, we can see that the consumption of reality-based news is plummeting.
WSJ has a piece describing the collapse of both legacy media and cable news. Of particular note: the referrals to legacy media started collapsing in 2023; but we know that was an intentional choice made by some of the richest men in the world to change their algorithms.
There’s one other aspect of this dynamic for which I’d like to offer a hypothesis.
Propaganda didn’t just win the election. It created the malaise that Trump promised he would solve.
A number of people are blaming this exclusively on an anti-incumbent wave that has taken out ruling parties since COVID (there are exceptions to this, likely to include Ireland when we vote later this month). But that anti-incumbent wave includes legislative elections. And in 2022, Democrats did far better than expected, even though Biden’s approval ratings were as bad as they currently are during the summer of 2022 (his approvals narrowed somewhat by the election).
There are three differences.
First, Trump was on the ballot. A great many people — often disaffected and less educated — are buying the con that Trump is selling, and they’re buying it because Trump and his allies first made them more disaffected and then offered to provide an antidote. He plans to do more of the same in his second term.
Second, as the WSJ points out, legacy media has cratered in the last two years. But importantly, as I’ll show, Republicans have already started putting a lot of the fascist crackdown we fear in place, both in individual states like Florida, but also in the way the GOP used their majority in the House starting in 2023. Republicans took out social media moderation in advance, and that played a significant part in the success of GOP propaganda efforts. They started laying the foundation to win on propaganda when they got a majority in the House.
Finally, a word about Biden’s unpopularity, which is what the wave was against. We’re looking at the election and no doubt the propaganda made the difference there. It didn’t help that legacy media misrepresented Biden’s economic successes.
But one reason Biden is so unpopular is the same reason Hillary was in 2016: Republicans had led a sustained garbage investigation designed to do nothing but raise her negatives. Republicans tried to impeach Biden for, literally, nothing, and it captured the attention of both real and fake media for two years. And the effort to smear Biden was, as these campaigns always are, about projection. Republicans in Congress spent taxpayer dollars to create the illusion that Biden was the corrupt one, not Trump. (Trump’s unprecedented corruption, which will be one of several organizing principles of his Administration, got almost no attention during the campaign.)
Which is to say, it’s not just the election. It’s broader than that. It’s that a permanent propaganda campaign has been supercharged in the last two years, in ways that weren’t even true when Fox News relentlessly tried to take down Hillary and her spouse in the 1990s. And that propaganda campaign has played a key role in leading people to distrust and eschew “reality,” including the reality that Joe Biden was better for the economy and Trump is unashamedly corrupt.
Update: Another piece on the correlation between media use and Trump vote.
And Timothy Snyder ends a piece on Trump and fascism this way:
He bears responsibility for what comes next, as do his allies and supporters.
Yet some, and probably more, of the blame rests with our actions and analysis. Again and again, our major institutions, from the media to the judiciary, have amplified Trump’s presence; again and again, we have failed to name the consequences. Fascism can be defeated, but not when we are on its side.
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The post mortems of this election are showing the astonishing level to which Trump voters were misinformed.
That might be the lasting takeaway.
A clear majority of Americans voted for a convicted sex-offender thief.
I cannot understand that... unless all those people somehow managed to ignore the facts. And indeed, that's what happened. Congratulations to Fox.
I'm starting to think, a little, that the whole thing was a con. Jim Jordan was on CNN this morning and when asked when the 12-15 million people would be deported he hemmed and hawed. I have a feeling it will never happen. Of course when Trump gives some made up reason why he cant deport 12 million people his voters will say "ok".
A lot of the promises he made to get the "base" (far right) to vote for him will go unfulfilled. He has already broke his first promise. He promised to end the war in Ukraine in 48 hours after he was elected.
I know you know this, but the entire Trump campaign was absolutely a con. Trump clearly said whatever he believed would get him votes with no intention of delivering because most of it would not do anything to help him personally.
Why would Trump support removing taxes on SS benefits? (I can see him trying to remove overtime and tip taxes because that effectively raises the salaries of workers without any impact on the employers.)
Why would he try to deport extant illegals? This is logistically near impossible, outrageously expense, trigger more inflation, create all sorts of chaos, and would deplete a good portion of the workforce. What he will likely do is try to deport some sampling of bad actors and claim victory.
Why would Trump impose extreme, gratuitous tariffs? This will directly raise consumer prices and it appears that consumer prices is the key factor that got this prick elected. He will probably impose some token tariff increases and spin it as done and lie about all the benefits.
I think we can rest assured that Trump will seek to do anything in terms of taxation and regulation that will reduce the costs for his businesses. That benefits him. But anything that would be difficult to do or cause him political backlash with no balancing personal benefit will either fade away or Trump will simply lie about progress.
Trump has proven that lying, even on a grand scale, works with the US electorate; propaganda is effective. That phenomenon is yet another substantial power that Trump has. If one can get the majority of the people to believe whatever one says, one no longer is constrained by reality.
I agree with both you and John. It's NOT the economy, stupid! Because MAGAs understand nothing at all about the economy. Trump will favor the rich, as always, while telling his idolators that all is going great for them. They'll believe him.
Meanwhile, the
RepublicanFascist Party will gut our institutions, while the MAGA masses applaud. If the past is any indication, the media will report on inconsequential details while ignoring the overall picture.When I say it was a con I am thinking of immigration and crime and abortion. He's not going to deport 12 million people, he's not going to bring the crime rate down, and he's not going to sign an abortion ban. What he will do is try to get everyone in government to pledge personal loyalty to him and use that loyalty to corrupt the system for the benefit of himself and his cronies.
I think you are right.
I think you are right.
Of course not. Who'd mow the lawn?
He'll lower taxes for the rich and authorize deadly force in any situation.
I agree.
The GOP top wish list is tax cuts, the border spending repealing the 'green' part of the inflation reduction act, and punishing liberal colleges.
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I expect we will be reading about some deaths before spring.
Probably.
I can only imagine the violent riots the left will put on the days before/on/after inauguration day.
"Summer of love 2020" proved that they know hold to commit violence over several months.
I've seen estimates of several thousand lynching victims over the 20th century. This is going to be very, very ugly.
I hope not, but a lot of lefties have guns and know how to defend themselves. Those looking at having some lynching party fun may find themselves fucked.
There are a number of far right wackos that have civil war mastibatory fantasies that will be looking forward to leftwing anti-Trump protests.
Civil war is hardly a desirable thing.
Nor are wackos, but they exist and they have bad thoughts. Remember the 3 guys from Michigan that got caught firebombing a Minneapolis police station during the George Floyd protests?
And this guy arrested just a couple of weeks ago...
Wackos are scary, regardless of politics.
I think this guy says it all pretty well.
another post showing how detached from reality Democrats are. Blame the voters for not swallowing our lies! By all means, if you want to somehow lose 2026, keep that up.
In the real world, the VP debate where Vance pointed out the dishonesty of the "moderators" turned the election around. Look at the polling. Vance ended up the only candidate of the four on the ticket with a positive approval rating, and the debate was a large reason. Why?
(1) He exposed the "rules are for thee, not for me" attitude of the Democrats and their propaganda media. There were rules, the moderators broke them to try and save a flailing Walz, and Vance pointed out what they were doing in real time. It exposed the moderators as partisans and the democrats who defended the rule breaking as dishonest fanatics who justify cheating because of their "holy" cause.
(2) Vance exposed the "fact checks" as inaccurate. Vance was correct on the facts, they were wrong. Gullible people who aren't capable of critical thinking will accept whatever an opinion pundit opines as a "fact" if it's cloaked in the authority they've been taught to unquestioningly accept.
(3) The moderators cut Vance off and stopped him while he was explaining their errors. Again, it exposed exactly how partisan the moderators were and how little the moderators' interruptions were about truth and were simply an exercise in raw partisan power.
The moderators basically vindicated the entire theme of the Trump campaign. Keep doubling down on it by all means.
Take your nonsense elsewhere. Your "honest" candidate said people in Ohio were eating their neighbors cats and dogs. Right wing media and right social media is thoroughly dishonest.
......but, but, but - that's just chest pounding and bluster ....oh wait, that's him putting Liz Cheney in front of a firing squad and imprisoning his domestic enemies - a very long list of domestic enemies - those who told the truth about the traitor and his lies.......
How many times did Democratic politicians and your fact checkers lie to the public, John?
a helluva lot less than right wing media lies every day
You're jumping the gun. You have to start with burning books. And maybe a lynching or two.
Lol.
Biden has more energy than his 30 year old staffers and any video suggesting otherwise is a deep fake!
Remember that? Remember peddling that to the American people for years? why in the world would you expect any american to trust Democrats or their captive media after that? And that's only one example.
Who said those things and show the exact quotes of someone who actually said them?
You mean like his enemies tried to do to him? The left has long engaged in lawfare against Trump and anyone else they don't like.
That will never happen.
Yes, it's everyone else, not the guy with 34 felonies.
Not a really bad idea.
So according to you, it is OK for liberals and democrats to engage in lawfare and go after their political rivals but the reverse is not so.
I really, really don't understand, Sean. You seem to not realize that it's OVER! You've won.
You will have the state you have worked so diligently to create. You can relax. You don't have to continue to obfuscate.
Please don't make me imagine that obfuscation has become so habitual that you continue by simple inertia.
Bob, you assured us democracy ended in 2014. Why are you so worked up over Trump?
The writing was on the wall, pretty clearly, in 2014.
What rights were taken away from you in 2014 that ended democracy?
What rights are going to be taken away from you that will prevent Democrats from recapturing the House in 2 years? What happens when the doom mongering about fascism comes up empty AGAIN? There were no lessons learned from the first Trump go round. In 2028, after they spend 4 years insulting Trump and trying to stop everything he does without being thrown in camps will they stop the insanity? Or will they run the "fascism, fascism, fascism!" campaign again in 2028?
At some point, the asinity of the constant scaremongering about fascism will finally be obvious to even the most blockheaded progressive, right?
‘I really, really don't understand, Sean. You seem to not realize that it's OVER’
I wish the left would realize the same but I have no doubt they will be whining and bitching for the next 12 years. Maybe they will have another legitimate chance at president after Vance finishes his two terms.
You voted for a traitor. That is on you, not "the left".
No I did not according to the constitutional definition of treason. Second there were never charges brought for treason but was there was a trial. Just because you say something does not make it so.
When did I say that?
Sean... You don't need to do this any more. You won.
Oh, I doubt that dissention will still be allowed in 12 years.
‘That is on you, not "the left". ’
Actually it is on the democrat voter. If 12 million voters that voted four years ago for Biden and did not vote this year for Harris, then they obviously do not believe Trump is whatever it is you want to call him.
The same number of people that voted for Trump 4 years ago voted for him this year. If those 12 million democrats truly thought Trump is a ‘traitor’, then they would have voted against him.
BTW Trump is not a traitor because he has never been charged with treason.
Yada yada yada
Trump is gonna do (fill in the blank here) but we have absolutely no idea what we are talking about. We just parrot what our handlers tell us.
‘You won. ’
Sean didn’t win. The American people won. Even those that did not vote for him.
I'm taking him at his word. "Dictator from day one."
Collective "you".
“but we have absolutely no idea what we are talking about. We just parrot what our handlers tell us.”
Prescience can be liberating, no?
Since he never said that it should be no wonder why the credibility of those still pushing that is in question
I can’t believe that lie is still being pushed, lol.
He said ON day one, not FROM day one.
Name one president in modern history that did not sign EOs their first day.
Hell, Biden signed over 90 of them in his first few days. What part of Congress did he go through to get those EOs done?
Oh, yes... Now I remember Biden saying he would be a dictator.
No, wait... I do NOT remember that...
Oh, well. Everyone knows that nothing Trump says should be taken seriously.
"Lock her up!"
Right. So you can point out when his DOJ indicted her for violating espionage laws by mishandling classified documents. Right?
Trump won't need an indictment to lock up an adversary. That was the point.
you guys are hilarious........
and your points are worthless
Trump won't need an indictment to lock up an adversary. That was the point.
But he did between 2017 and 2021? When did that change?
No point in arguing. I can never know what you really think.
We'll see.
He didn't have to announce it, he signed dozens of EOs his first day, albeit legal, a dictator like action. No branch of Congress passed the laws and nothing was brought to vote by the electorate in this country.
Every president in modern times has done this, so I guess you can say they are all traitors, yes, including Obama.
Undoubtedly fake.
Are you as pizzled as I am, by the behavior of our NT MAGAs? Do you have any explanation for why they continue to obfuscate?
It's as if they don't understand that they've won.
Trump's problem is he's too nuanced for some people. They can't follow an argument past a phrase, so when someone makes a point over a couple sentences they can't grasp it and fixate on a couple words because the argument is too complex. "Fine people" being another example.
If we were to leave NT, what would leftists here have to whine about?
What you're actually saying, here, is that it's up to listeners to guess - accurately - which of Trump's statements are intentional, and which are off-the-wall gibberish.
Again, Sean... You need to adjust. Trump WON. The
RepublicanFascist Party WON. Your victory is permanent. Trump has said told his supporters that they‘ll never have to vote again. TheRepublicanFascist Party has been diligently preparing for that, for years.Why continue as though this seism hasn't happened?
Excellent question.
Or which can be understood simply by paying attention for longer than a soundbyte.
Your victory is permanent.
Right. And when the Dems win the house back in two years how will you cope?
Trump has said told his supporters that they‘ll never have to vote again
Thanks for providing yet another example of what I was talking about.
I for one will accept it and move on.
Can't get all bothered/angered/pissy/insulting/hateful for something I cannot control.
Have you read or seen the actual quote? What he said he will be a DICTATOR ONLY on day one using executive orders to negate the bad actions made by Biden by executive orders. BTW if you consider that as being a dictator you must also consider Biden a dictator because he did the same and I am fairly sure most of not all of the other presidents have done the same.
Isn't this how democracy is supposed to work? Deflection, spin, and misinformation won't change the fact that Democrats got the democracy they wanted.
Trump received 74.2 million votes in 2020 and 74.5 million votes in 2024. After all the effort by Democrats to 'inform' the public, Trump's support did not falter. Democrats can rightly make a claim they checked Trump expanding his base of support but Democrats can't claim they whittled away Trump's base of support.
Joe Biden received 81.3 million votes in 2020 and Kamala Harris received 70.1 million votes in 2024. 11 million Democrat voters stayed home. (Or maybe they didn't exist in 2020?) Kamala Harris clearly did not motivate voters to turn out and vote. Harris on the ticket didn't increase the number of Trump voters. But Harris on the ticket didn't hold the number of Biden voters.
Trump didn't win because he captured more voters. Trump won because Democrats stayed home and didn't vote. That's not Trump's fault. It's possible to claim Trump didn't receive a mandate but that would require acknowledging that Democrats rejected Harris. It's possible to claim Harris didn't win because she is black or because she is a woman but, again, it's Democrat voters that rejected her.
Democrats can claim they don't understand how people could vote for a convicted felon and traitor. But that's not the important question. Why didn't Democrats turn out and vote for Harris? If Trump won on racism and misogyny then it's clear that Democrats are the racists and misogynists.
11 million voters that supported Biden in 2020 rejected Harris in 2024 and that's why Kamala Harris lost. Democrats and the media informing the public about all things Trump did not motivate those 11 million Biden voters to turn out and vote. Fear and warnings about abortion, women's health, and women's rights did not motivate those 11 million Biden voters to turn out and vote. Celebrity endorsements did not motivate those 11 million Biden voters to turn out for Harris.
Democrats are claiming they can't understand the country. But it's patently obvious that Democrats don't understand their own party.
Trump has run in three Presidential elections. Compare the results yourself.
History is full of democracies overturned by democratic elections. "One man, one vote, one time."
That's what Constitutional Originalists have been telling everyone all along. Conservatives have been warning that liberals are trying to overturn and remove the Constitutional guardrails on democracy.
Haven't you listened to the political rhetoric of liberals? Liberals wrap themselves in populism of freedom and democracy to obtain absolute autocratic authority to defend democracy. If liberals are denied power then obviously democracy is broken and must be fixed.
So, why isn't liberal pursuit of absolute autocratic authority over democracy the greatest danger we face?
Yeah Bob. This time around it worked just like the Founders envisioned.
Free, fair, made by an informed electorate. Winning both the EC and popular vote.
After 44 years, it's "Morning In America" again.
This ignorant comment presumes last time it wasnt fair.
It is only fair when Trump wins. You sound like Trump.
Wrong again John. I never thought Trump won in 2020. You presume wrongly, What I was saying that this time there is no doubt who won.
You should chat with Drak. I'd buy a ticket to watch.
Congratulations.
You've worked hard to get a fascist plutocracy, and now you've got it. Be happy.
“After 44 years, it's "Morning In America" again.”
And for the next four years, it is ‘Mourning in America’ again.
And in that sense, it is time for reflection, not regret. It is time for remembering our commonality, not what divides. It is always a time for hope, never a time for debilitating despair. Peace.
Beautiful sentiment. Not true.
“Not true.”
Only if one is convinced that doom is inevitable.
We have had a long history of facing adversity and have not yet succumbed to the temptation to quit. This time will be no different.
I sincerely hope that you're right.
“I sincerely hope that you're right.”
In the immediate aftermath, and in light of what potentially lies ahead, it may be all that is left.
Why do you need Drak to speak for you?
Because his Comments are as limpid and lucid as yours.
Well, let's use simple language for simple folk. 11 million Biden voters didn't turn out for Harris. Harris lost because of Democrat complacency. Those be the facts, that be the truth.
So, your comment @3.1 should read "sometimes it's not worth the bother to save democracy".
Please take responsibility for your ideas, rather than trying to shove them off on someone else.
Please do not shift responsibility for your ideas onto others.
He won 50.4% of the popular vote. There is no rational universe where that is a "mandate", but why let reality interfere with MAGA fun ?
According to the reported numbers, Trump received only about 500,000 more votes than he did when he lost in 2020.
Yes, the results were too close to claim Trump has a national mandate. But Republicans flipped the Senate and appears to have held control of the House. Trump's continued support does give him a mandate within the Republican Party.
11 million Biden voters did not turn out for Kamala Harris. So, disaffected Republicans didn't turn the election in her favor. Democrats really have been weakened even if Trump has not gotten stronger.
The arrogant and condescending progressive Dems refuse to believe that the great unwashed and ignorant masses have totally rejected their Marxist lies and bullshit. The truth is, a wide, deep, and diverse mix of all kinds of demographics knew exactly what they were doing. The Dems are dead politically for a least the next two years. It's likely to be much longer than that if they don't wake up and listen to the American people.
In the meantime, they are left to foam at the mouth, howl at the moon, invent wacky conspiracy theories and what-if scenarios, deny reality, whine, cry, and in general, make fools of themselves. I'm enjoying watching their self-inflicted pain and suffering
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That comment is pure Fascist propaganda.
That's an excellent summary of the status of the reactionaries from the Tea Party to QAnon to the Trump cult.
I enjoy watching them make fools of themselves on a daily basis.
The projection.
The hate.
So bitter.
What a sad and pathetic and deplorable way to go through life.
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Yes, but...
The same was probably true of the Brown Shirts.
This is what you are down to? Slander and name calling?
The left which took control of so many American institutions has been soundly defeated.
Its epitaph was written long ago:
“The wretch, concentred all in self,
Living, shall forfeit fair renown,
And, doubly dying, shall go down
To the vile dust, from whence he sprung,
Unwept, unhonored, and unsung.”
― Walter Scott, The Lay of the Last Minstrel 1805
Whom did I impugn?
Does the shoe fit?
Most of America
Do you also know Ozymandius?
Do you know Karl Marx?
No
Hardly at all. The little that I do know makes me think he was very much a product of his times. His writing is turgid, very hard to slog through.
IMNAAHO, Marx is important for the impact he had, but not for his thinking.
In the minds & hearts of many teachers & students, it is they who will be the planers in a planned economy.
Are we done with the game?
So, tell us again why the rejection of open borders, a fantasy energy policy, inflationary budgets and rampant crime equals fascism?
C'mon,Vic. You don't have to continue to make stuff up. You don't have to continue to put words never said in other people's mouths.
You won, Vic. You don't have to obfuscate any more.
BE YOURSELF!
So, you are not going to answer the question?
BE YOURSELF!
Clearly, we are being ourselves. Anymore name-calling?
Why are you continuing, Vic?
The behavior of NT's MAGAs is fascinating. You don't have to dissemble any more... but for some reason, you are behaving as though you hadn't won.
Truly fascinating.
Because it is my turn now. I've been censored, so now I get to question your hypothesis, which are incredibly weak.
Censored?
Correct.
But "continuing" is silly. Obfuscation was a logical tactic when truth was unacceptable.
But now... truth is unnecessary. "Truth" will now be whatever Big Brother declares.
You seem to be stumbling on and on, just because you don't know how to be otherwise.
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I keep forgetting truth isn't allowed a lot of places here anymore.
Especially by those who vote for traitors.
I know of no one here that voted for a traitor. There were no traitors on the ballot.
The truth is demonstrated here all the time. You just don't recognize it.
Wait just a little while. The spaces where truth is allowed will be fewer and fewer.
Yes, when the Democrats regain power.
The propaganda bullshit never ends
as seen on trump's personal truth social page
Trump publicly emasculates Republican senators that dont bow enough to his magnificence.
Such an impotent incel.
MAGA RULES !
Some idiots are arguing that Democrats lost because they’re too “woke,” as if they don’t know that “wokeness” was a propaganda creation the entire time, propaganda created by men waging cultural war on behalf of aggrieved men.
Is letting millions cross the border not extreme or woke?
Is financing trillions of dollars for what was basically a green new deal not extreme or woke?
Is calling for defunding the police not extreme or woke?
Maybe that is why 73% of Americans thought the country was on the wrong track.
Record high percentage of Americans believe country is on the wrong track
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What a nasty obscene comment.
Being woke is not propaganda.
The propaganda is what you all fell for, those who voted for the traitor.
Let me know when you can counter any of the points in post 10
Let me know when any facts are posted. Or reality.
They are there and a link to go with it
Most on the left do not want to see facts.
They are stuck in their bubble and only believe what they are told to believe.
Projection.
They are having a lot of trouble accepting the results of the 2024 election.
Ain't that something when the traitor never accepted the results of the 2020 election and even incited an insurrection because of it.
Last thing the traitor said to the the traitor supporters was to fight like hell or they wouldn't have a country anymore, right at the end of his incitement
What was the incitement?
Is "peaceful and patriotically" incitement to the left?
Yes, it is called hypocrisy.
It's called truth.
Hypocrisy is one of the only things the gop has.
When facts and reality are presented, let me know.
We have been showing you the truth and reality but you just refuse to accept them..
'To the vile dust, from whence he sprung,
Unwept, unhonored, and unsung.”
Where the traitor scum trump belongs
Which is how it will be viewed when it finally passes away.. unwept, unhonored and unsung
Never forget that history is written by the winner.