Biden says U.S. will never recognize Russian claims on Ukraine

  
Via:  Nerm_L  •  2 months ago  •  40 comments

By:   Jarrett Renshaw, Steve Holland and Nandita Bose (Reuters)

Biden says U.S. will never recognize Russian claims on Ukraine
Biden denounced referendums as an "absolute sham"

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Should have thought about all of this last January, Joe.  It's a little late to stage an 'insurrection' to oppose a sham election.  

Did anyone happen to notice that the Russia referendums depended upon remote voting?  People didn't have to go to the polls to vote, how convenient.  Supposedly that remote voting made it easier to rig the election, too.  Maybe Putin used a page from Joe Biden's playbook. 

Who could have guessed that remote voting would be used to rig an election?  It's just so...   what's the word?  Undemocratic.


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WASHINGTON, Sept 29 (Reuters) - President Joe Biden pledged on Thursday the United States will never recognize Russia's claims on Ukraine's sovereign territory as the United States prepared new sanctions to impose once Moscow annexes new areas of Ukraine.

Speaking to Pacific island leaders, Biden denounced referendums that pro-Russian forces conducted in areas of Ukraine as an "absolute sham," saying the results were "manufactured in Moscow."

The United States is working with allies on sanctions to impose once Russia annexes new areas of Ukraine.  Russian President Vladimir Putin will begin annexing four Ukrainian regions to Russia on Friday, and the U.S. response is expected to follow quickly.

"The United States, I want to be very clear about this, United States will never, never, never recognize Russia's claims on Ukraine sovereign territory," Biden said.

The sanctions are expected to target "individuals and entities inside and outside Russia that provide support to this action," the White House said on Wednesday.

"Russia's assault on Ukraine in pursuit of imperial ambitions is a flagrant, flagrant violation of the UN Charter, and the basic principles of sovereignty and territorial integrity," said Biden.


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Nerm_L
Professor Principal
1  seeder  Nerm_L    2 months ago

Now we know.  Denouncing sham elections is only a perk of office for Presidents of a particular political persuasion.  At least Joe Biden gets to pretend he's a hardline warrior fighting a quasi-socialist political system.  Meanwhile, back at the ranch, Biden is lambasting capitalism and demanding more central planning.  Does Biden know his left from his right?

Seems like the Ukrainian referendums aren't the only sham on the political stage.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
Professor Guide
1.2  Greg Jones  replied to  Nerm_L @1    2 months ago

His handlers forced  him to say this.

 
 
 
magicschoolbusdropout
Sophomore Principal
1.2.1  magicschoolbusdropout  replied to  Greg Jones @1.2    2 months ago
His handlers forced  him to say this.

Yep !

It's "Democrats" that "push" for more "Allowances for Remote/Mail-in" Voting.

"Red" Rules, RULE in the Democrat Party.

256

 
 
 
Nerm_L
Professor Principal
1.2.2  seeder  Nerm_L  replied to  Greg Jones @1.2    2 months ago
His handlers forced  him to say this.

Seems more likely Biden wandered off again. 

Did you notice Biden was speaking at a Pacific Island summit?  I doubt Russia or Ukraine are the top concerns for that audience.  Apparently Biden's handlers won't let him hold press conferences so he has to sneak these things in wherever.

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
Professor Guide
1.2.3  Thrawn 31  replied to  magicschoolbusdropout @1.2.1    2 months ago

So first off, fucking faggy ass gif.

Secondly, what in the hell are you trying to say, that Marines are communists or some shit? 

 
 
 
magicschoolbusdropout
Sophomore Principal
1.2.4  magicschoolbusdropout  replied to  Thrawn 31 @1.2.3    2 months ago
So first off, fucking faggy ass gif.

Classy !

Secondly, what in the hell are you trying to say, that Marines are communists or some shit? 

Is that what you got from that ?

 
 
 
squiggy
Junior Quiet
1.3  squiggy  replied to  Nerm_L @1    2 months ago

In all fairness, Biden doesn’t recognize Jill.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
Professor Principal
1.3.1  seeder  Nerm_L  replied to  squiggy @1.3    2 months ago
In all fairness, Biden doesn’t recognize Jill.

Is that like saying Biden don't know Jack?

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
Professor Guide
1.4  Thrawn 31  replied to  Nerm_L @1    2 months ago

Nerm, are you confused again? 

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
Professor Participates
2  Dismayed Patriot    2 months ago
" Did anyone happen to notice that the Russia referendums depended upon remote voting?"

No, didn't notice that on any of the news articles about this sham referendum. Not a thing about supposed "remote voting". What they do detail are armed Russian soldiers going from door to door to force residents to cast a vote where residents don't feel safe to not vote for Russian control. Please provide any evidence of "remote voting" in Ukraine.

People didn't have to go to the polls to vote, how convenient.

No, they were forced out of their homes at gunpoint and not given much choice of who to vote for as many believed this referendum was also an attempt by Russian forces to weed out dissenters.

" Russians were forcing residents out of their homes to vote, according to Serhiy Gaidai, the Ukrainian head of that province."

Moscow-held regions of Ukraine in 'sham' vote to join Russia (nypost.com)

Supposedly that remote voting made it easier to rig the election, too.  Maybe Putin used a page from Joe Biden's playbook.

Nice try, but sadly you've got nothing. No evidence that Biden or anyone else "rigged" an election and no evidence that Putin is using remote voting to do the same. But it's easy to see that your narrative would be widely accepted by dumb fuck fascist Putin lovers and apologists for the illegal Russian invasion of Ukraine. Your bullshit narrative is full on Russian bot propaganda.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
Professor Principal
2.1  seeder  Nerm_L  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @2    2 months ago
Nice try, but sadly you've got nothing. No evidence that Biden or anyone else "rigged" an election and no evidence that Putin is using remote voting to do the same. But it's easy to see that your narrative would be widely accepted by dumb fuck fascist Putin lovers and apologists for the illegal Russian invasion of Ukraine. Your bullshit narrative is full on Russian bot propaganda.

Really?  In the United States there have been demands to increase security to protect poll workers; a demand for gun toting defenders of the election process.  In the United States we call the practice of remote voting 'vote harvesting' and the 'ground game'.  And we conveniently look aside from the use of intimidation and propaganda to harvest votes.  In the United States the elections are rigged well beforehand by the political parties to limit choices on the election ballot.

The United States conducts sham elections by Joe Biden's own measures.  But, hey, the ends justify the means.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
2.1.1  Tessylo  replied to  Nerm_L @2.1    2 months ago

How do you vote Nerm?

By mail I bet.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
Professor Principal
2.1.2  seeder  Nerm_L  replied to  Tessylo @2.1.1    2 months ago
How do you vote Nerm?

Properly.

By mail I bet.

I go to the polling station, the way it's supposed to be done.  The local polling place is located in the same building with the police station, too.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
2.1.3  Tessylo  replied to  Nerm_L @2.1.2    2 months ago

Mail in voting is proper and valid.

Going to the polls is not the way it's supposed to be done.  It's one of the ways it's supposed to be done which includes mail in voting.  

 
 
 
bccrane
Freshman Silent
2.1.4  bccrane  replied to  Nerm_L @2.1    2 months ago

In the United States the elections are rigged well beforehand by the political parties to limit choices on the election ballot.

In our area, the primary was rigged ahead of time, in Michigan, being an open primary state, the democrats already had gamed the system to allow the democrat voters the chance to switch to the republican side of the ballot and vote the easiest for the democrat to win against.

The democrat side of the ballot there was only one candidate fielded per position, but on the republican side there were multiple (the actual reason for a primary) so the democrat candidates were a shoe in and no need to even vote on them freeing up the democrats to vote the republican side.

 
 
 
afrayedknot
Freshman Quiet
2.1.5  afrayedknot  replied to  Nerm_L @2.1    2 months ago

“In the United States the elections are rigged well beforehand by the political parties to limit choices on the election ballot.”

Bullshit.

When you receive your mail-in ballot (a safe and secure option), or vote in-person, in a general election you will find candidates from parties beyond R and D, as they have gone through the appropriate processes to have a name placed on the ballot…and there is always a write-in option should one prefer. 

 
 
 
Nerm_L
Professor Principal
2.1.6  seeder  Nerm_L  replied to  bccrane @2.1.4    2 months ago
In our area, the primary was rigged ahead of time, in Michigan, being an open primary state, the democrats already had gamed the system to allow the democrat voters the chance to switch to the republican side of the ballot and vote the easiest for the democrat to win against.

Yeah, voters are only allowed to vote for one party or the other.  The primaries are rigged to disenfranchise voters.

If the state is conducting elections then all voters should be allowed to vote in all elections.  Let's ignore that primaries are rigged to disenfranchise voters.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
2.1.7  Tessylo  replied to  afrayedknot @2.1.5    2 months ago
“In the United States the elections are rigged well beforehand by the political parties to limit choices on the election ballot.”

"Bullshit.

When you receive your mail-in ballot (a safe and secure option), or vote in-person, you will find candidates from parties beyond R and D, as they have gone through the appropriate processes to have a name placed on the ballot."

EXACTLY!

BINGO!

All valid options.  Some states have only had mail in voting for years (mainly republican voters) without any problems.  

 
 
 
squiggy
Junior Quiet
2.1.8  squiggy  replied to  Tessylo @2.1.1    2 months ago

Click the green upthumb.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
2.1.9  Tessylo  replied to  squiggy @2.1.8    2 months ago

WTF does that mean?

 
 
 
bccrane
Freshman Silent
2.1.10  bccrane  replied to  afrayedknot @2.1.5    2 months ago
When you receive your mail-in ballot (a safe and secure option),

I'm afraid not, once I tried a little experiment to see if it was possible, I found that the ballot envelopes could be opened by just applying heat to the glued seal and it didn't take that much heat to do it and on top of that you could reseal the envelope without any evidence of tampering.  With that knowledge I will only vote in person and have advised others I know to do the same.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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2.1.11  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Nerm_L @2.1    2 months ago
In the United States there have been demands to increase security to protect poll workers; a demand for gun toting defenders of the election process.

The demand for increase security to protect poll workers has only been in response to the MAGA crowd attacks on them when they are told lies. The security they need is more anonymity, not armed guards.

In the United States we call the practice of remote voting 'vote harvesting' and the 'ground game'.

Nope. voting by mail is not called "vote harvesting". There is a practice that is only legal in a very few places which they call "ballot harvesting".

An absentee voter may be able to designate someone to submit their absentee ballot for them, such as:

  • A family member
  • A legal guardian
  • A caregiver
  • Another person allowed by law

Ballot Harvesting: What Is It? How Does It Work? - FindLaw

There is no evidence that allowing some exceptions for a designated party to deliver an absentee voters ballot leads to voter fraud.

In the United States the elections are rigged well beforehand by the political parties to limit choices on the election ballot.

If you're claiming the election is "rigged" by the two party system sadly the only way to break that lock is for a 3rd party to field a viable candidate and get enough votes. But just because virtually all other 3rd party's are drowned out by the two massive parties, that doesn't mean there is election fraud.

The United States conducts sham elections by Joe Biden's own measures.

That's one of the stupidest bullshit statements I've seen in a while, and that's saying something because I see dozens of stupid bullshit statements from rightwing conservatives here daily. Here I thought clinging to the election fraud lie spouted by the Cheeto Benito was stupid and sad. Your baseless statement takes that even a step further but with the same amount of evidence to support it, which of course is absolutely none, nil, zip, zilch, nada.

 
 
 
afrayedknot
Freshman Quiet
2.1.12  afrayedknot  replied to  bccrane @2.1.10    2 months ago

“With that knowledge I will only vote in person and have advised others I know to do the same.”

As long as you vote. Thank you for your diligence in safeguarding our election process. 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
Professor Principal
2.1.13  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  afrayedknot @2.1.12    2 months ago

Fortunately Canada allows absentee ballots or I would have the expense of return airfare halfway around the world in order to vote. 

 
 
 
magicschoolbusdropout
Sophomore Principal
2.1.14  magicschoolbusdropout  replied to  Tessylo @2.1.3    2 months ago
Going to the polls is not the way it's supposed to be done.

Since When ?

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Principal
2.1.15  MrFrost  replied to  Nerm_L @2.1.2    2 months ago
I go to the polling station, the way it's supposed to be done.

According to who? 

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
2.2  Tessylo  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @2    2 months ago
"Nice try, but sadly you've got nothing. No evidence that Biden or anyone else "rigged" an election and no evidence that Putin is using remote voting to do the same. But it's easy to see that your narrative would be widely accepted by dumb fuck fascist Putin lovers and apologists for the illegal Russian invasion of Ukraine. Your bullshit narrative is full on Russian bot propaganda."
Always the case.
Thanks as usual for handing him his ass.  

 
 
 
magicschoolbusdropout
Sophomore Principal
2.2.1  magicschoolbusdropout  replied to  Tessylo @2.2    2 months ago

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
2.2.2  Tessylo  replied to  magicschoolbusdropout @2.2.1    2 months ago

What the fuck does that have to do with anything?

 
 
 
magicschoolbusdropout
Sophomore Principal
2.2.3  magicschoolbusdropout  replied to  Tessylo @2.2.2    2 months ago
What the fuck does that have to do with anything?

I know .... But I have "Faith' you can figure it out.

 
 
 
squiggy
Junior Quiet
2.2.4  squiggy  replied to  Tessylo @2.2    2 months ago

“Thanks as usual for handing him his ass. “

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Tessylo
Professor Principal
2.2.5  Tessylo  replied to  squiggy @2.2.4    2 months ago

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Buzz of the Orient
Professor Principal
2.3  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @2    2 months ago

Personally, and as far as I am concerned I don't know which side of the conflict is more believable - in this era, differing from the days of Walter Cronkite and awards given for totally unbiased media, I'm just not sure which side is telling the truth.  Of COURSE the Ukrainians will say the voters were forced at gunpoint to vote, and were the unguarded lineups and people smiling while they deposited their ballots that I saw on TV all actors?  Is fining persons who were qualified to vote but did not do so considered "forced voting"?  Ask an Australian.  

How about a hypothetical about what voting accomplishes in a democracy.  Let's suppose more than 90% of the voters in the North West Territories of Canada, an area of many untapped underground resources, were to vote to leave Canada and join the USA as a 51st mainland state.  Canada doesn't like it, says it's against International Law and the UN charter etc etc but then doesn't that mean that a huge majority of the people are being incarcerated, that voting means nothing in a way?  If it was the other way around and Alaska wanted to join Canada, what does "We The People" mean?  Are not the politicians subject to the will of the vast majority of their constituents and laws based on majority votes?

I'm not taking sides here, I'm just curious on an intellectual level.  

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
Professor Principal
2.3.1  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @2.3    2 months ago

I'm somewhat amused that nobody wants to jump into that volcano.

 
 
 
George
Freshman Participates
3  George    2 months ago

Does anyone recognize the irony of that statement? Wasn't this fool a member of the last administration when Putin lopped of a large part of Ukraine?

 
 
 
Ronin2
Professor Quiet
3.1  Ronin2  replied to  George @3    2 months ago

You mean Crimea. 

Russia should have put sanctions on the US for Obama backing the coup in Ukraine of a duly elected pro Russian president.

I agree with the article that Viktor Yanukovych was corrupt; but then so is every last damn Ukrainian leader to follow. Of course high ranking US politicians sent their children to Ukraine to cash in on the corruption and the US money flowing in.

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Guide
4  Tacos!    2 months ago
Did anyone happen to notice that the Russia referendums depended upon remote voting?

What is your source? Here’s a news story on the election, along with pictures of people voting in person - under the watchful gaze of Russian soldiers:

Occupied regions of Ukraine vote to join Russia in staged referendums

Even the Russians say that most of the voting was done door-to-door.

Most of the vote was carried out by poll workers — under armed guard — bringing paper ballots door to door , as the process was so rushed there wasn't time to set up more complex voting infrastructure, according to the Russian state news agency TASS.

So your claim that the election “ depended upon remote voting” is in conflict with what even the Russian news is claiming.

Not to mention this important fact, which makes the voting - at best - incomplete:

All four of these regions are active war zones which many residents have fled , with reports of fighting and explosions on a daily basis.
 
 
 
Nerm_L
Professor Principal
4.1  seeder  Nerm_L  replied to  Tacos! @4    2 months ago
Even the Russians say that most of the voting was done door-to-door.

Isn't that remote voting?  Voters weren't going to a polling station, they were voting remotely.  People (election officials?) were going door-to-door and harvesting ballots.

So your claim that the election “depended upon remote voting” is in conflict with what even the Russian news is claiming.

How can you cite Russian sources saying the voting was done door-to-door and deny that the referendums depended on remote voting?

In the United States, electioneering is only prohibited at polling stations.  People going door-to-door to collect ballots aren't prohibited from electioneering of any type.  Why do you think so many (political extremists in particular) in the United States are in favor of various forms of remote voting?

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Guide
4.1.1  Tacos!  replied to  Nerm_L @4.1    2 months ago
Isn't that remote voting?  Voters weren't going to a polling station, they were voting remotely.  People (election officials?) were going door-to-door and harvesting ballots.

If that’s what you meant, you had a chance to explain that when DP addressed it @2. I guess I didn’t understand what you were getting at. In any event, what we saw in Ukraine is not what goes on in the US, and unless you have evidence that it is, you should stop implying that the two situations are remotely similar.

Why do you think so many (political extremists in particular) in the United States are in favor of various forms of remote voting?

Because their stock in trade is manufactured outrage. Our elections are among the most transparent and fair elections in the world, and we readily prosecute wrongdoers. People who are unhappy with the results can appeal to a degree I would doubt is available anywhere else.

But if these manipulators can get the base worked up by convincing them there is widespread election fraud, they will do it, even without evidence.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
Professor Principal
4.1.2  seeder  Nerm_L  replied to  Tacos! @4.1.1    2 months ago
If that’s what you meant, you had a chance to explain that when DP addressed it @2. I guess I didn’t understand what you were getting at. In any event, what we saw in Ukraine is not what goes on in the US, and unless you have evidence that it is, you should stop implying that the two situations are remotely similar.

I did address DP's comment about remote voting in @2.1.  I guess my mistake was assuming that everyone understood what remote voting actually involves.

How is institutional voting done in the United States?  

Because their stock in trade is manufactured outrage. Our elections are among the most transparent and fair elections in the world, and we readily prosecute wrongdoers. People who are unhappy with the results can appeal to a degree I would doubt is available anywhere else. But if these manipulators can get the base worked up by convincing them there is widespread election fraud, they will do it, even without evidence.

Genuine outrage is a response to what is actually being done.  Manufactured outrage is a distraction to divert attention away from what is actually being done.

 
 

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