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Trump Posts Attack On Judge Chutkan After 3 AM Rage Bender

  
Via:  Devangelical  •  last year  •  120 comments

By:   tommyxtopher (Mediaite)

Trump Posts Attack On Judge Chutkan After 3 AM Rage Bender
Ex-President Trump posted an attack on Judge Tanya Chutkan hours past midnight, and on the heels of a rant about the "corrupt system of INJUSTICE" he now faces.

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Ex-President Donald Trump posted an attack on Federal District Judge Tanya Chutkan hours past midnight, and on the heels of a rant about the "corrupt system of INJUSTICE" that he now faces.

On Thursday, Trump entered a plea of "Not Guilty" in the election crimes case that's set for trial in Fulton County, Georgia — and which will be televised live, a Judge ruled also on Thursday.

Hours and hours later, Trump was apparently still awake ranting on Truth Social about the cases against him. Amid a blizzard of re-posts featuring commentary by Fox News host Mark Levin, Trump weighed in at just after 3 a.m. to blast the trials and share his interview with Levin, writing:


I am being "railroaded" by a highly partisan and corrupt system of INJUSTICE, headed up by an opponent who is losing in the polls and, simultaneously with all of this, destroying our once Great Country! This Mark Levin interview is a MUST WATCH!

Minutes later, Trump added:


Keep Indicting your Political Opponent, it makes no difference for what, or why. Keep him off the "campaign trail" and in the courthouse instead. Don't think of his Rights, the Constitution, or Liberty. Sit back and WATCH AMERICA CRUMBLE!

Several more minutes deeper into the night, Trump wrote:


But their is no system of justice. Our Court System is rigged against me!

Then, Trump re-posted a message from Levin that attacked Judge Chutkan as "Another judge from a Marxist family."

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Trump has been warned to be careful how he speaks about the charges against him in public, but many veteran Trumpologists say they expect him to continue to test the limits of constraints in ways that would land an ordinary defendant in jail.

In addition to the Fulton County case, Trump is under indictment on 34 felony counts in New York over Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg and his grand jury investigating the circumstances around hush money payments to Stormy Daniels ; 37 counts stemming from Special Counsel Jack Smith's investigation into his retention of classified documents under the Espionage Act; a superseding indictment by Smith on three additional charges against Trump (one additional count of unlawful retention of National Defense Information and two new obstruction counts); Smith's indictment against Trump for his attempt to overturn the 2020 presidential election on charges of conspiracy to defraud the United States, conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding, obstruction of an attempt to obstruct an official proceeding, and conspiracy against rights.


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devangelical
Professor Principal
1  seeder  devangelical    last year

millionaires don't sit in jail, no matter the charges or even how many...

the real 2 tiers of american justice...

 
 
 
Thomas
Masters Guide
1.1  Thomas  replied to  devangelical @1    last year

Keep on diggin

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
Masters Expert
1.2  al Jizzerror  replied to  devangelical @1    last year
the real 2 tiers of american justice..

512

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
1.3  Tessylo  replied to  devangelical @1    last year

All that steaming pile of shit does is project.  His latest verbal diarrhea was soundly ridiculed on X or twitter or wherever - "I think that crooked Joe Biden is not only dumb and incompetent, I believe that he has gone mad, a stark raving lunatic, a mental catastrophe, being bribed and blackmailed, claiming he will start World War III and vowing to make the entire Biden family 'pay a price'"

One commenter commented - and it is so fucking true - 'As always with the former 'president', every accusation is a confession'

Projection, deflection, denial, and delusion, as I've been saying for how many years ago plus his enablers/supporters/defendersoftheindefensible

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
2  seeder  devangelical    last year

sanction him, revoke his bond, and stuff him into jail until his trial...

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
Professor Expert
2.1  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  devangelical @2    last year

Yeah, the Fulton County jail where someone was just stabbed.

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
3  Kavika     last year

JHC, the POS deserves to be in the slammer, right now.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
3.1  seeder  devangelical  replied to  Kavika @3    last year

hopefully all the time he's spent delaying the legal process will be added to any sentence he may receive...

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
4  JBB    last year

As if there isn't enough evidence to lock him up?

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
4.1  seeder  devangelical  replied to  JBB @4    last year

... not according to the law and order (for white conservative xtians) crowd.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Senior Expert
4.2  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JBB @4    last year

Apparently not enough for those that granted bail.

 
 
 
Gsquared
Professor Principal
5  Gsquared    last year

The defendant is walking a very thin line.  The judge may (should) enter a blanket gag order against him.  If he violates it, she will not only likely carry out her warning that she will schedule an early trial date, she may make him an interim guest of the correctional system.  If she could require him to wear an orange jump suit when he appears in front of the jury, that would be perfect.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
5.1  seeder  devangelical  replied to  Gsquared @5    last year

he's been freaking out on social media all day. I expect to learn something new about his legal dilemma soon...

 
 
 
Gsquared
Professor Principal
5.1.1  Gsquared  replied to  devangelical @5.1    last year

Since the defendant knows he will lose at trial, his only alternative is to keep riling up his customers and raking in their money.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
5.1.2  seeder  devangelical  replied to  Gsquared @5.1.1    last year

... a political going out of business sale.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
5.1.3  TᵢG  replied to  Gsquared @5.1.1    last year

I still wonder if reality has been able to get through the many layers of Trump's own alternate reality to cause him to realize that he could be a convicted felon in the near future.

 
 
 
Gsquared
Professor Principal
5.1.4  Gsquared  replied to  TᵢG @5.1.3    last year

There is no way that this defendant actually believes any of his fraudulent propaganda.  His B.S. is all a show for his gullible customers.  I have no doubt that in private he's laughing at them.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
5.1.5  Tessylo  replied to  Gsquared @5.1.1    last year

Still 'campaigning' all the way and the suckers and their money . . . jrSmiley_78_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
5.1.6  Tessylo  replied to  Gsquared @5.1.4    last year

It's almost like mobsters who try to pretend to be whackjobs to get off on some kind of insanity defense but this traitor is truly insane and a psycho/sociopath.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
5.1.7  TᵢG  replied to  Gsquared @5.1.4    last year

That is not what I was referring to.   Clearly he is knowingly conning his supporters.

The question is the alternate reality that he has created for himself wherein he is, in a word, invincible.   Trump's reckless behavior suggests that he thought he could (can) get away with most anything.   

I wonder how much of reality has creeped in through his layers of alternate reality.   To wit, does he yet recognize that he might indeed end up as a convicted felon?

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
5.1.8  seeder  devangelical  replied to  TᵢG @5.1.7    last year

the cumulative effect of never hearing the word no or having anyone in his circle disagree with him for 60+ years...

 
 
 
Gsquared
Professor Principal
5.1.9  Gsquared  replied to  TᵢG @5.1.7    last year
does he yet recognize that he might indeed end up as a convicted felon?

I would say, yes.  He knows it and it terrifies him.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
5.1.10  seeder  devangelical  replied to  Gsquared @5.1.9    last year

plenty of time to relieve him of his secret service detail before he enters the general population in prison.

 
 
 
bbl-1
Professor Quiet
5.1.11  bbl-1  replied to  TᵢG @5.1.3    last year

No.  He believes the Saudi Crown Prince will cut oil production resulting in $6 a gallon US gas prices which will sweep him into the WH.  Then, the retribution begins and all of his legal problems vanish into thin air.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
5.1.12  Texan1211  replied to  bbl-1 @5.1.11    last year

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bbl-1
Professor Quiet
5.1.13  bbl-1  replied to  Texan1211 @5.1.12    last year

Non wired triangulation before the positive core is discharged into the negative core resulting in an undesirable result.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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5.1.14  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  bbl-1 @5.1.11    last year

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Texan1211
Professor Principal
5.1.15  Texan1211  replied to  bbl-1 @5.1.13    last year

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Texan1211
Professor Principal
5.1.16  Texan1211  replied to  Texan1211 @5.1.15    last year

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Tessylo
Professor Principal
5.1.17  Tessylo  replied to  devangelical @5.1.8    last year

That's it right there dev, that's it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

He was talking about President Biden the other day - having the mentality of a first grader and that he is destroying the country.

Like someone said about his rants just the other day, 'as always, every accusation is a confession.'

 
 
 
bugsy
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5.1.18  bugsy  replied to  Texan1211 @5.1.16    last year

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Tessylo
Professor Principal
5.1.19  Tessylo  replied to  Tessylo @5.1.17    last year

and the endless defense of the indefensible continues

 
 
 
Igknorantzruls
Sophomore Quiet
5.2  Igknorantzruls  replied to  Gsquared @5    last year

i thought he was wearing an Orange jump suit, under his Emperors clothes

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
Professor Expert
6  Buzz of the Orient    last year
"But their is no system of justice. Our Court System is rigged against me!"

"their"?  How about "there", Donnie?  Does he misspell words deliberately in order to show his ignorant base he's "one of them". or is it because he himself is actually too ignorant to spell words correctly?  

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
Masters Expert
6.1  al Jizzerror  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @6    last year

Their is no doubt that The Donald is a fucking stable jeanius.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
6.1.1  seeder  devangelical  replied to  al Jizzerror @6.1    last year

geenyus...

 
 
 
cjcold
Professor Quiet
6.1.2  cjcold  replied to  devangelical @6.1.1    last year

I dream of jeannius.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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6.1.3  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  cjcold @6.1.2    last year

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bbl-1
Professor Quiet
6.1.4  bbl-1  replied to  al Jizzerror @6.1    last year

'There' is the correct word.  Don't Trump us.  LOLA

 
 
 
Waykwabu
Freshman Silent
6.2  Waykwabu  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @6    last year

This does not surprise me - it seems that many supposedly educated people cannot spell.  I worked  in school management for 15 years and always found it hard to believe the number of teachers who could not spell correctly.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
Professor Expert
6.2.1  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Waykwabu @6.2    last year

Homonyms such as "there" "their" and "they're" are usually not as big a problem as "its" and "it's".

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
Professor Expert
6.2.2  sandy-2021492  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @6.2.1    last year

Our own favorite author couldn't spell "Friendship".

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
6.2.3  seeder  devangelical  replied to  sandy-2021492 @6.2.2    last year

spellcheck is another liberal deep state conspiracy...

... it's probably not a word being used a lot in that everyday life.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
Professor Expert
6.2.4  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  sandy-2021492 @6.2.2    last year

Well, you have to keep in mind that some people have trouble with a wandering "i".

 
 
 
Igknorantzruls
Sophomore Quiet
6.2.5  Igknorantzruls  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @6.2.4    last year

i wood agree, butt, eye can’t c ewe

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
Professor Expert
6.2.6  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Igknorantzruls @6.2.5    last year

OK. CUL8R.

 
 
 
cjcold
Professor Quiet
6.2.7  cjcold  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @6.2.4    last year

You have to stop talking to my girlfriend!

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
Professor Expert
6.2.8  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  cjcold @6.2.7    last year

LOL

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
6.3  Trout Giggles  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @6    last year

I have problems with spelling. And typos.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
Professor Expert
6.3.1  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Trout Giggles @6.3    last year

I have trouble with the middle finger of my right hand.  I touch-type and that finger has a mind of its own.  I think it's the author of my "wandering "i". 

 
 
 
Dig
Professor Participates
7  Dig    last year

The worst thing is that the gullible, anti-American dullards who support him just eat this kind of shit up. They believe every drop of drivel he spews, and keep sending him money. Lately I've come around to thinking that the biggest threat this country has or will ever see is abject, dumbfuck stupidity among the citizenry, and apparently we have it in spades. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
7.1  TᵢG  replied to  Dig @7    last year

Well said Dig.   The root cause of our problems is the electorate.   Ben Franklin would be chastising us:  "A Republic if you can keep it."

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
Professor Expert
7.1.1  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  TᵢG @7.1    last year

Yes, the American federal voting system is so complex it's inevitable that problems and malfeasance are possible and can happen - hanging chads, tampering of voting machines, gerrymandering, etc. and as you say the electorate system which itself can be twisted.  I cannot recall ever there being a problem with a federal election in Canada with paper ballots and pencils, a universal system based on a simple majority with each eligible Canadian voter counted the same no matter where their residence in Canada (and, of course there are absentee ballots for people like me). 

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
7.1.2  TᵢG  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @7.1.1    last year

The mechanisms of our elections are complex but they are working.

My point was not about the mechanics but rather the voters themselves.    Biden is a poor choice but currently as the incumbent it is difficult to gauge his support.   It does look as though D voters are not thrilled with his candidacy for a second term.

The more revealing view of voters is on the R side.    Here we have the surreal situation of Trump leading the pack by double digits and a Trump wannabe, Vivek Ramaswamy, attempting to run a parallel campaign to enable an alternate path for Trump voters in case Trump drops out or as a bid to be Trump's V.P.

The R voters seem to not care about the integrity of their nominee nor his treasonous acts;  and many, it seems, are living in denial and believe Trump is some kind of hero of the people who is being falsely accused and attacked by an evil system.

The electorate is the root of our problems.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
7.1.3  JohnRussell  replied to  TᵢG @7.1.2    last year

Marjorie Taylor Greene referred to Joe Biden as a "communist" in a social media post yesterday. 

Joe Biden, who has been a moderate Democrat his entire life. The problem is with the Republican electorate who makes lying nutcases like Greene leaders in their party. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
7.1.4  Tessylo  replied to  JohnRussell @7.1.3    last year

You got some here referring to Democrats as Marxists, etc., etc., etc., they have no clue what they're talking about.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
7.1.5  seeder  devangelical  replied to  Tessylo @7.1.4    last year

fascists have a long history of blaming everything on the commies...

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
7.1.6  JohnRussell  replied to  JohnRussell @7.1.3    last year
 America is ruled by a “Communist regime,” Georgia Republican Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene  told  Fox News. She accused the Biden administration of using the Trump indictments as a smokescreen to keep people from focusing on things that matter to them.
 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Senior Expert
7.1.7  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JohnRussell @7.1.3    last year
The problem is with the Republican electorate who makes lying nutcases like Greene leaders in their party. 

MTG isn’t a leader in her party, she doesn’t even lead in a sub-committee and was voted out of the House Freedom Caucus, a first.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
7.1.8  JohnRussell  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @7.1.7    last year

Greene has appeared at Trump (the leader of the Republican Party) rallies numerous times, is a close confidante with Kevin McCarthy, and is one of the top fund raisers in the party. Certainly she is a leader. 

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
7.1.9  seeder  devangelical  replied to  JohnRussell @7.1.8    last year

the owner of the crossfit gym in georgia made her a business partner after he discovered she was the most popular piece of workout equipment in the building...

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Senior Expert
7.1.10  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JohnRussell @7.1.8    last year

Perhaps we have different definitions of leaders or leadership.  McCarthy has a political expediency to avoid alienating the far right after seeing what that did to Boehner and Ryan.  He uses her like the Dems use AOC.

 
 
 
Gsquared
Professor Principal
7.1.11  Gsquared  replied to  JohnRussell @7.1.8    last year

Greene is what passes for a Thought Leader in the Republican Party.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Senior Expert
7.1.12  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Gsquared @7.1.11    last year

No, that’s Rep. Jim Banks, Gov Doug Burgum, Ben Sasse, SEN Collins and Portman, Chris Susunu…

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
Professor Expert
7.1.13  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  TᵢG @7.1.2    last year
"My point was not about the mechanics but rather the voters themselves."

Okay, I'll buy that.

 
 
 
Gsquared
Professor Principal
7.1.14  Gsquared  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @7.1.12    last year

No, that's Greene, Boebert, Gosar, Tuberville, Kari Lake, Herschel Walker...

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Guide
7.1.15  MrFrost  replied to  Gsquared @7.1.14    last year
Gosar

That guys is a total POS. 

 
 
 
Gsquared
Professor Principal
7.1.16  Gsquared  replied to  MrFrost @7.1.15    last year
That guys is a total POS. 

He is. 

His digital director is a follower of the Neo-Nazi Fuentes.  

His newsletter features a website that is replete with anti-Semitic and Neo-Nazi messages, including "Stand up for Hitler".

Gosar is a Fascist.  Some on here want to pretend and deny the existence of fascists in America even though this one is a Republican Congressman.

 
 
 
Thomas
Masters Guide
7.1.17  Thomas  replied to  TᵢG @7.1.2    last year
The electorate is the root of our problems

Even the misinformed have the right to vote. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
7.1.18  TᵢG  replied to  Thomas @7.1.17    last year

And that principle is good if the electorate as a whole makes decent decisions.

Our founders had concerns about the electorate.   Of course at the time most people were very poorly educated / informed.   I doubt they were thinking that an electorate with access to the information we have today would KNOWINGLY seek to put into office someone like Trump given all we now know of him.

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
Masters Expert
7.1.19  al Jizzerror  replied to  TᵢG @7.1.18    last year
Our founders had concerns about the electorate.

So they created the fucking Electoral College.

Many of the founders owned slaves.

We got rid of slavery butt we're stuck with the bogus Electoral College.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
7.1.20  CB  replied to  TᵢG @7.1.2    last year
The R voters seem to not care about the integrity of their nominee nor his treasonous acts ;  and many, it seems, are living in denial and believe Trump is some kind of hero of the people who is being falsely accused and attacked by an evil system. The electorate is the root of our problems.

When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time. –  Maya Angelou

Republicans and MAGA conservatives have manifested who they wish to lead them. They are even 'negotiating' becoming a law unto themselves in red states where they seek to operate as authoritarians running the state as if democrats, liberals, and secularists are like a third foot! Superfluous and a handicap.

These people see Donald Trump for what he is. They are not delusional. They have seen all the warts society is exposing about Trump yet again, and STILL they look you, me, society in the eye and speaking 'loudly' with their deeds tell you that a malignant rabblerouser, rebel, liar, cheat, and thief is who they want because it is who they are.

That is, Trump is their point man. . . who he is and what he does. . . they would wish to do the same thing if they him .

There is no significant leakage of light between Trump and MAGA voters. They are him in spirit and in (lack of) truth.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
7.1.21  Tessylo  replied to  devangelical @7.1.9    last year

Everyone rode that skank train.  Hope they wore condoms.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
7.1.22  Tessylo  replied to  JohnRussell @7.1.8    last year

I bet they all rode that skank train.

 
 
 
Thomas
Masters Guide
7.1.23  Thomas  replied to  TᵢG @7.1.18    last year
 I doubt they were thinking that an electorate with access to the information we have today would KNOWINGLY seek to put into office someone like Trump given all we now know of him.

But the fact remains that MAGA consists of both the ones who don't believe the truth because of being fooled, the ones who don't care about the truth because they are in agreement with with the events that occurred, and the ones who just don't care because they think that the Democrats are evil to the point of electing again a proto-fascist, anti-democratic, wannabe dictator. 

The assumption was that everyone would work towards building a more perfect union. The only problem is that "more perfect"  means different things to different people.  With the advent of the internet, disinformation and conspiracies have become competitive with factually complete and correct news, making possible the divergence of "truth" and the emergence of drastically different conceptions of what "truth looks like. 

I believe that we are at an inflection point. We need to establish how to make the sources where we get our information from are telling us the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. There are ways in which we can do this independently, but that takes time.  Journalism needs to make its case better and be up front with sources and corrections. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
7.1.24  TᵢG  replied to  Thomas @7.1.23    last year
But the fact remains that MAGA consists of both the ones who don't believe the truth because of being fooled, the ones who don't care about the truth because they are in agreement with with the events that occurred, and the ones who just don't care because they think that the Democrats are evil to the point of electing again a proto-fascist, anti-democratic, wannabe dictator. 

Yup, as I stated, the electorate is the root of our problems.

The only problem is that "more perfect"  means different things to different people.  

Hard to imagine that our founders would hold that a more perfect union is advanced by voting for an ex-PotUS who attempted to undermine the USA electoral system via coercion, lies, false filings, etc. in an attempt to steal a US election.   Who could have imagined such irrational, irresponsible and unpatriotic behavior in the electorate?

Journalism needs to make its case better and be up front with sources and corrections. 

Agreed, but most journalism is not a free entity.  It is controlled by $$$ with agendas.

 
 
 
Thomas
Masters Guide
7.1.25  Thomas  replied to  TᵢG @7.1.24    last year
Who could have imagined such irrational, irresponsible and unpatriotic behavior in the electorate?

That's just it. A large minority of the electorate feel that any vote that results in the election of a Democrat is, by definition, irrational, irresponsible and unpatriotic behavior.

A large majority of Republican voters feel this way according to recent polling.

Since the holding of the view that the "others" are by definition irrational, irresponsible and unpatriotic is a problem of incorrect perceptions, the operative objective should be changing the perception to a more nuanced and realistic view of the situation. We need a rhetorical ratcheting down of the importance of the stakes and an increase in the amount of confidence in the constitution.  

Sorry if this seems incoherent,  I am visiting grandkids so my attention is divided. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
7.1.26  TᵢG  replied to  Thomas @7.1.25    last year

Let's just say that much of the electorate does not employ critical thinking.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
7.1.27  CB  replied to  CB @7.1.20    last year

MAGA is Donald Trump and Trump is MAGA!

 
 
 
Thomas
Masters Guide
7.1.28  Thomas  replied to  TᵢG @7.1.26    last year
Let's just say that much of the electorate does not employ critical thinking.

That is accepted as a given.  

So we have seen the problem and recognized it. So how do we, as a nation, rectify the disconnect in "realities" ?

Without rectification and resolution of these disparate perceptions it doesn't matter if we convict Trump of his extra-constitutional forays or not. The problem is not Trump. He is the symptom and a catalytic affect. 

We,as a nation, need to talk to instead of past each other.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
7.1.29  TᵢG  replied to  Thomas @7.1.28    last year

Holding Trump accountable is critical.   If he is not held accountable then that opens the door for followers to the same (or worse).

 
 
 
Thomas
Masters Guide
7.1.30  Thomas  replied to  CB @7.1.27    last year

MAGA is Donald Trump and Trump is MAGA!

Respectfully, as much as this is true, the true problems lie in our inability to talk these differences of opinion out. As long as we keep talking past each other the problem will continue to manifest itself. Politicians used to play the role of translation between the public and the policy,  a type of buffering function between the disparate and oftentimes unrealistic expectations of the voters. 

Now the politicians act like the bare majority of voters who elected them are their only constituents. The result ...well, you can see the result.

 
 
 
Thomas
Masters Guide
7.1.31  Thomas  replied to  TᵢG @7.1.29    last year
Holding Trump accountable is critical. If he is not held accountable then that opens the door for followers to the same (or worse)

I agree. But it will not matter if the underlying problem is not fixed. Trump exists as a figurehead of the problem.  He is not the problem itself. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
7.1.32  TᵢG  replied to  Thomas @7.1.31    last year

It absolutely does matter before the underlying problem is fixed.   It is bad for the nation to have runaway politicians exploiting Trump's terrible precedent.    Especially if we cannot count on the electorate to do its job.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
7.1.33  CB  replied to  Thomas @7.1.30    last year
MAGA is Donald Trump and Trump is MAGA!
Respectfully, as much as this is true, the true problems lie in our inability to talk these differences of opinion out. As long as we keep talking past each other the problem will continue to manifest itself.

Therein is the problem, friend Thomas. MAGA is Trump and Trump is MAGA. And, the One is overlooking and dismissing any conversation that liberals, democrats, and secularist offer to the bottom-line. MAGA is dead-set on TAKING OVER the three branches of government: State/Federal/Courts in which case they will RULE and that indefinitely because, as is manifesting in public now, where MAGA rules DOMINATION is practiced. 

It is not that MAGA can't hear you, us, it is MAGA has stopped up its ears!

 
 
 
Thomas
Masters Guide
7.1.34  Thomas  replied to  TᵢG @7.1.32    last year

It will not matter if the problem that he is symptomatic of is not fixed. Already we see that people are styling themselves after him in the quest for real power. 

I understand fully that we need to prosecute Trump for his crimes. But that in and of itself is insufficient, imo.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
7.1.35  TᵢG  replied to  Thomas @7.1.34    last year

I am not suggesting it is sufficient.  I am suggesting that it is necessary and that this is especially true with a dysfunctional electorate.   And the fact that people are already following his lead is an early indication of what would happen if nothing is done.   And, worse, if he is acquitted.

 
 
 
Thomas
Masters Guide
7.1.36  Thomas  replied to  TᵢG @7.1.35    last year

And I am not suggesting that prosecution of Trump is irrelevant.  It can, should, and must be done to show that the CotUS and laws are not something that can be easily avoided.  Convicting Trump of his part in the January 6 debacle is the first step. But it alone will not fix the underlying problem of communication between what seems to be (perception again) warring extremes. 

One way of abating the confrontational attitude is to remove partisan control of the election process starting with candidate selection. Or maybe make mandatory the voting in the primary if an individual is registered to a party.

Or maybe Richard is right in her contention that we are witnesses of the decline and eventual fall of the grand experiment. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
7.1.37  TᵢG  replied to  Thomas @7.1.36    last year
But it alone will not fix the underlying problem of communication between what seems to be (perception again) warring extremes. 

We have not disagreed on that.

One way of abating the confrontational attitude is to remove partisan control of the election process starting with candidate selection. Or maybe make mandatory the voting in the primary if an individual is registered to a party.

And control by large donors who determine who can win based on funding.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
7.1.38  CB  replied to  TᵢG @7.1.37    last year

TiG and Thomas,

And control by large donors who determine who can win based on funding.

There is the crux of a / this problem! Campaign finance: 

Citizens United Decision

After the case was reargued in a special session, the Supreme Court handed down a 5-4 verdict on January 21, 2010, that overruled its earlier verdict in  Austin  and part of its verdict in  McConnell  regarding the constitutionality of the BCRA’s Section 203.

The majority opinion, written by Justice  Anthony M. Kennedy , held that the First Amendment protects the right to free speech, even if the speaker is a corporation, and effectively removed limitations on corporate funding of independent political broadcasts.

Chief Justice  John Roberts  and Justices  Antonin Scalia Samuel Alito  and  Clarence Thomas  joined Kennedy in the majority, while Justices  John Paul Stevens Ruth Bader Ginsburg Stephen Breyer  and  Sonia Sotomayor  dissented.

These 'groups" make hidden and "eternal" political warfare potentially limitless. 

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
7.1.39  CB  replied to  Thomas @7.1.36    last year

The question becomes this in such a case: If the "grand experiment" fails, can the nation survive its failure. . .a second time?

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
7.1.40  CB  replied to  Thomas @7.1.36    last year
One way of abating the confrontational attitude is to remove partisan control of the election process starting with candidate selection. Or maybe make mandatory the voting in the primary if an individual is registered to a party.

If something is not done, and the election process is not removed from partisan control * and Trump is allowed to win again. There is a plan afoot to recast the federal system involving removing all career federal workers and putting Trump sycophants in their jobs:

[Tapping phones in the White House]

The " Careers " would have stopped it. . . .

" Careers " is shorthand for civil servants. Millions of permanent non-political employees are responsible for carrying out the inner-workings of government. Tapping someone's phone isn't something that a president can make happen by waving a wand; it requires a legitimate law enforcement or intelligence justification not to mention sign-off from a range of career officials including law enforcement officers, lawyers, compliance officers, and technical staff. 

Those protective layers might not be in place in a second [Trump Administration] go around. The Trump advisors who were charged with hunting down the dis-loyalists , are involved in efforts to shape the next republican presidential administration and  they are hell-bent on weakening or eliminating the peskiest guardrail in the executive branch : The careerists. 

BLOWBACK: A Warning to Save Democracy from the Next Trump.  Miles Taylor   Publisher: Atria Books (July 18, 2023)  Length: 352 pages  ISBN13: 9781668015988

And this. . . 

Donald Trump will be president again, whether he is on the ballot or not. That is because Trumpism is overtaking the Republican Party and will mount a vigorous comeback, potentially in the hands of a savvier successor—The Next Trump.

* Republican/conservative takeover.  

 
 
 
Thomas
Masters Guide
7.1.41  Thomas  replied to  CB @7.1.40    last year

I know. Right.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
7.1.42  CB  replied to  Thomas @7.1.41    last year

Trump the Menace won't stop giving when he is 'gone.'  The republican party has corrupted itself. . . and its all of the members of the party's fault! They do not protect what MATTERS: Party Integrity.

 
 
 
Thomas
Masters Guide
7.1.44  Thomas  replied to  CB @7.1.42    last year
Trump the Menace won't stop giving when he is 'gone.'  The republican party has corrupted itself. . . and its all of the members of the party's fault! They do not protect what MATTERS: Party Integrity.

Too much of today's politics is based on parties. Party integrity should not be the determining factor in who wins whichever election we are talking about. Elections should be based on who is best suited to do the particular job at hand. 

 
 
 
Igknorantzruls
Sophomore Quiet
7.2  Igknorantzruls  replied to  Dig @7    last year

igknorantzrulz was written as a joke.

Never expected it to prove so damn accurate, unfortunately, it has, and then some

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Guide
7.2.1  MrFrost  replied to  Igknorantzruls @7.2    last year

We love ya Iggy... 

 
 
 
Igknorantzruls
Sophomore Quiet
7.2.2  Igknorantzruls  replied to  MrFrost @7.2.1    last year

well i thank you Frosty,

but i don’t swing that way, yet flattered just the same.

And i thank the rest of you around here for tolerating my rantz, and then some. My Rantzum is not for all, especially, with minds so small, and it is good to have a place to vent, as i tend to feel convinced, that what i do say, is not what everyone wishes to hear, here, but i will not contour opinions for the sheer pleasure of others, as i’m not here for all, and never will bee, and that may sting, but buzz off, is what ill chirp out, asz i’ve had one bazaar oh year, and some how , still here, so N joy all, cause it’s mandatory, though i’d prefer it was womandatory!

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Guide
7.2.3  MrFrost  replied to  Igknorantzruls @7.2.2    last year
but i don’t swing that way, yet flattered just the same.

[backs away slowly] Me either Iggy...

 
 
 
cjcold
Professor Quiet
7.3  cjcold  replied to  Dig @7    last year

So if I go insane can I get money off of the internet too?

 
 
 
bbl-1
Professor Quiet
8  bbl-1    last year

Trump attacks.  JEEZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!  That is all the SOB does and has ever done.

He also knows that he can threaten the life of anyone and there isn't a darn thing the DOJ, FBI, Homeland Security or the Courts will do about it.  He has them right where he wants them.  Afraid.  You know, the 'free speech thing' and the rest of the BS the MAGA devours on a daily basis.

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
Professor Participates
8.1  Thrawn 31  replied to  bbl-1 @8    last year

He isn’t even attacking, he is just whining. All he does is bitch and complain constantly. Honestly he is fucking boring.

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
Professor Participates
9  Thrawn 31    last year

Man, must be nice to be receiving the most gentle treatment anyone accused of felonies has ever received. And yet he still whines about how unfair it all is.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
9.1  TᵢG  replied to  Thrawn 31 @9    last year

Might be because in spite of the gentle treatment, he is beginning to realize that he might be found guilty.

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
Professor Participates
9.1.1  Thrawn 31  replied to  TᵢG @9.1    last year

I am not so sure. I think to a degree he truly does live in an alternate reality where he cannot possibly be punished for anything.

His whole life daddy gave him everything and protected him from negative consequences. Daddy’s lawyers always steered him in a direction that would lead to other people taking the fall for his fuck ups (which he fucks up everything he gets involved with), and he has always been able to use daddy’s money to run out the legal clock. 

the problem for him this time is that he is not punching down on people and businesses who don’t have and didn’t inherit the financial resources that he inherited, and everything is in the public eye. But he has spent his whole life being so coddled that I don’t think mentally he is capable of understanding the hole he has dug for himself. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
9.1.2  TᵢG  replied to  Thrawn 31 @9.1.1    last year
I think to a degree he truly does live in an alternate reality where he cannot possibly be punished for anything.

That is essentially what I am saying.   My question is how much reality has creeped in.   Is he at the point where he realizes he might end up as a convicted felon?

But he has spent his whole life being so coddled that I don’t think mentally he is capable of understanding the hole he has dug for himself. 

Indeed.   But I suspect there is a point where reality sneaks in; even with a mind like Trump's.

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
Masters Expert
9.1.3  al Jizzerror  replied to  Thrawn 31 @9.1.1    last year
I don’t think mentally he is capable of understanding

You are 100% correct.

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
Professor Participates
9.1.4  Thrawn 31  replied to  TᵢG @9.1.2    last year

He may realize that he could go to prison, but I honestly only see that as sending him deeper into paranoia and further convincing himself that he is a messiah type figure being persecuted by just about everyone. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
9.1.5  TᵢG  replied to  Thrawn 31 @9.1.4    last year

One way or the other, it is best for the nation for Trump to be held accountable for his actions — especially his attempt to steal the 2020 election.

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
Professor Participates
9.1.6  Thrawn 31  replied to  TᵢG @9.1.5    last year

Agreed.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
9.1.7  seeder  devangelical  replied to  TᵢG @9.1.5    last year
One way or the other

!

 
 
 
Thomas
Masters Guide
9.1.8  Thomas  replied to  Thrawn 31 @9.1.1    last year
But he has spent his whole life being so coddled that I don’t think mentally he is capable of understanding the hole he has dug for himself. 

Keep on diggin 

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
10  Kavika     last year

Trump went on another rampage yesterday against Biden and DeSantis. He needs to be committed.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
10.1  seeder  devangelical  replied to  Kavika @10    last year

... to a rendering plant.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
10.1.1  Tessylo  replied to  devangelical @10.1    last year

there's nothing to render him down to - he's a pile of shit wearing clothes

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
10.1.2  Tessylo  replied to  Tessylo @10.1.1    last year

well they could render him into fertilizer but that would be pretty toxic

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
Professor Participates
10.1.3  Thrawn 31  replied to  Tessylo @10.1.2    last year

No to poison the earth. 

 
 
 
cjcold
Professor Quiet
10.1.4  cjcold  replied to  Tessylo @10.1.2    last year

Nuclear toxic. Not putting that shit on my veges. 

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
10.2  Trout Giggles  replied to  Kavika @10    last year
I am being "railroaded" by a highly partisan and corrupt system of INJUSTICE, headed up by an opponent who is losing in the polls and, simultaneously with all of this, destroying our once Great Country! This Mark Levin interview is a MUST WATCH!

He does understand that Biden and DeSantis have nothing to do with his indictments? Doesn't he?

probably not

 
 

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