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By:  Veronica  •  Generic  •  one week ago  •  141 comments

EVIL

"Evil is a point of view." ANNE RICE, Interview with the Vampir e

I was watching a show on the Travel channel that talks about evil places.  On the beginning the hostess waves some holy water around & talking about how it should "bother" the evil entity.  It just got me to thinking about evil.

Where does evil come from?

How do we fight evil?

For me, evil comes from within.  Every man and woman has the capacity inside to be evil or to do evil deeds.  It is within us to choose not to, but we have the ability to be downright nasty.  

I firmly believe that we fight evil with intelligence and common sense.  The more we know the better we can recognize the evil in others.  The more we follow that gut feeling (common sense) the less likely we will fall victim to that evil.  How often have you yelled at the TV or movie screen during a thriller or horror move when someone is about to do something stupid?  

I know that for a lot of people evil comes from Satan and his demons and that we need God to fight off that evil.  I used to be one of those people.  

Just a little something.... 

Let's see where others are coming from & try to understand it.

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Badfish H҉a҉n҉d҉ ҉o҉f҉ ҉D҉o҉o҉m҉
1  Badfish H҉a҉n҉d҉ ҉o҉f҉ ҉D҉o҉o҉m҉    one week ago

It makes me think of the Diamond Head song, "Am I evil"

am I evil?
Yes I am
Am I evil, I am man, yes
 
 
 
Veronica
1.1  author  Veronica  replied to  Badfish H҉a҉n҉d҉ ҉o҉f҉ ҉D҉o҉o҉m҉ @1    one week ago

You think that evil lurks in the hearts of all men (generic use of gender)?

 
 
 
1stwarrior
1.1.1  1stwarrior  replied to  Veronica @1.1    one week ago

The Shadow said so.

 
 
 
Veronica
1.1.2  author  Veronica  replied to  1stwarrior @1.1.1    one week ago

I just knew that Shadow was dark.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
1.1.3  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Veronica @1.1    one week ago
You think that evil lurks in the hearts of all men

Because evil is subjective, to one person someones heart could be considered evil but by another righteous. Many people who live in occupied areas (what they consider their homeland being occupied by an outside or other force) see their insurgent soldiers as righteous fighters for freedom and justice trying to expel the evil invaders, while those same soldiers are seen as evil terrorists by others.

What lies in the hearts of man is our evolved traits to survive amplified by selfish desires. That's why we assign the label "evil" to things that we view as hampering or hindering our personal or familial survival or even our desired goals.

Many might label the mass killing of 126,000 civilians would be "evil", yet most Americans view our dropping an atom bomb on Hiroshima as at least necessary if not totally justified.

So really, the depth of what we define as "evil" can only be measured by the unlimited height of human hubris and what a human mind is willing to justify for their own survival. So as long as humans want things and want to survive and thrive, humans will continue view anyone challenging that as "evil". If the human mind didn't label what they see as their foe trying to prevent their ability to thrive as "evil" they'd never be able to do the horrible unconscionable things they've done to their fellow humans and stay sane.

 
 
 
Veronica
1.1.4  author  Veronica  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @1.1.3    one week ago

Much like Nietzsche said.  Luther sent me an article.

 
 
 
Split Personality
1.1.5  Split Personality  replied to  Veronica @1.1    one week ago

Well based on the millions upon millions of humans who went before us

and died at the hands of their fellow "men" over politics, religion or property,

I would say we have  deeply flawed DNA.

 
 
 
Veronica
1.1.6  author  Veronica  replied to  Split Personality @1.1.5    one week ago

I would say we have  deeply flawed DNA.

I agree.

 
 
 
r.t..b...
1.1.7  r.t..b...  replied to  Split Personality @1.1.5    one week ago
died at the hands of their fellow "men" over politics, religion or property,

It seems we have a tremendous capacity to show empathy and genuinely love our brothers and sisters as individuals, but we also have the ability to commit the most horrendous acts imaginable when part of a like-minded group. Too bad that dynamic could not be reversed. 

 
 
 
Freefaller
1.1.8  Freefaller  replied to  r.t..b... @1.1.7    one week ago

Tribalism is alive and well in the world

 
 
 
Greg Jones
1.1.9  Greg Jones  replied to  Freefaller @1.1.8    one week ago

It's always been that way...

Individual

Family

Tribe

Nation

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
1.1.10  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @1.1.3    one week ago

(SELF-deleted)

Changed my mind. Decided that Veronica may not have wanted her article to become political.

 
 
 
Freefaller
1.1.11  Freefaller  replied to  Greg Jones @1.1.9    one week ago
It's always been that way.

Yup

 
 
 
Veronica
1.1.12  author  Veronica  replied to  r.t..b... @1.1.7    one week ago
It seems we have a tremendous capacity to show empathy and genuinely love

I wish I would see more of it.  I feel without that we descend into evil.

 
 
 
Veronica
1.1.13  author  Veronica  replied to  Freefaller @1.1.8    one week ago

That it is.

 
 
 
Veronica
1.1.14  author  Veronica  replied to  Greg Jones @1.1.9    one week ago

Maybe it is time we try to change.

 
 
 
Veronica
1.1.15  author  Veronica  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @1.1.10    one week ago

I appreciate it.

 
 
 
cjcold
1.1.16  cjcold  replied to  Split Personality @1.1.5    6 days ago

Some of us progress while others regress. Funny how mutations work.

 
 
 
katrix
1.2  katrix  replied to  Badfish H҉a҉n҉d҉ ҉o҉f҉ ҉D҉o҉o҉m҉ @1    one week ago

I think Metallica covered that song.  Because when I read those lyrics and sung them in my head, it was James Hetfield's voice I was hearing.

 
 
 
Veronica
1.2.1  author  Veronica  replied to  katrix @1.2    one week ago

Ahhhhh - Metallica

 
 
 
CB
2  CB     one week ago

I used to watch a show, Lucifer, on Netflix, for its entertainment value. The plot of the character aforementioned, aka: "Serpent," "Morningstar," and "Satan." is Lucifer's take on his 'duties and responsibilities.' He is not Evil personified. Instead his job description states Lucifer punishes evil-doers. That is, his sole responsibility is to see to it that mortals and other sorts which are unredeemed are properly punished for their crimes and such.

The 'plot' thickens. . . .

What is Evil?

A working description is called for first, in my opinion.

 
 
 
Veronica
2.1  author  Veronica  replied to  CB @2    one week ago
A working description is called for first, in my opinion.

What is your working description?

 
 
 
CB
2.1.1  CB   replied to  Veronica @2.1    one week ago
What is your working description?

Mine? Evil —an activity without any redeemable value.

 
 
 
TᵢG
2.1.2  TᵢG  replied to  CB @2.1.1    one week ago

Some of us would offer praying as such an activity (I am half kidding by the way, just could not resist).

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
2.1.3  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  TᵢG @2.1.2    one week ago
Prayer —an activity without any empirical value.

 
 
 
CB
2.1.4  CB   replied to  TᵢG @2.1.2    one week ago

Is that personal? /Sarcasm.

 
 
 
CB
2.1.5  CB   replied to  Dismayed Patriot @2.1.3    one week ago

Does that comment have any redeemable value? /Sarcasm.

 
 
 
katrix
2.1.6  katrix  replied to  CB @2.1.1    one week ago
Evil —an activity without any redeemable value.

Something can have no redeemable value but not be evil.  To me, evil requires doing harm to someone or something else.  For example, playing Candy Crush has no redeemable value, but it's certainly not evil.

 
 
 
Veronica
2.1.7  author  Veronica  replied to  CB @2.1.1    one week ago

That is a good one.

 
 
 
Veronica
2.1.8  author  Veronica  replied to  TᵢG @2.1.2    one week ago

Now now - let's play nice.jrSmiley_7_smiley_image.png

 
 
 
Veronica
2.1.9  author  Veronica  replied to  katrix @2.1.6    one week ago
Candy Crush has no redeemable value, but it's certainly not evil.

I don't know about that - sometimes I could pull my hair out.

 
 
 
CB
2.1.10  CB   replied to  katrix @2.1.6    one week ago

My dear Katrix! I'll have you know that Candy Crush is a Rush! It is an exceptional 'stress-buster.' That is valuable!

 
 
 
Gordy327
2.1.11  Gordy327  replied to  katrix @2.1.6    6 days ago

I got bored of Candy Crush. I prefer Game of Sultans. 

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
2.2  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  CB @2    one week ago
What is Evil?

"Evil" is inherently subjective. What humans consider evil is almost exclusively describing things with the intent to injure/harm/hurt/maim/kill humans. Doing something "evil" almost always requires intent and some form of harm being inflicted on a human. It's why most have no problem frying up slabs of bacon but would likely become physically sick if they found out they just crisped up and ate some fat sliced off the belly of a human that was intentionally given them by an "evil" being.

A meteor wiping out all life on the planet isn't "evil", there was no intent, it was just following a course likely set millions of years ago by an ever expanding and dynamic universe. But as soon as we add intent, like some super being who hurls a meteor at earth, we assign the label "evil" to its intent to harm humanity.

 
 
 
Veronica
2.2.1  author  Veronica  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @2.2    one week ago
some super being who hurls a meteor at earth,

I find that funny & I do not know why.

 
 
 
Veronica
2.2.2  author  Veronica  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @2.2    one week ago
requires intent and some form of harm being inflicted on a human.

I agree that there has to be intent.  And the knowledge that the deed is harmful to others.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
2.2.3  Bob Nelson  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @2.2    one week ago
"Evil" is inherently subjective.... evil is almost exclusively describing things with the intent to injure/harm/hurt/maim/kill humans...

A meteor wiping out all life on the planet isn't "evil", there was no intent...

Good post.

Our debates come from our differing opinions of "harm". I would say that permitting poverty in the richest nation in the history of the world is "evil". Another considers that situation to be morally neutral or even "good".

 
 
 
Veronica
2.2.4  author  Veronica  replied to  Bob Nelson @2.2.3    one week ago
I would say that permitting poverty in the richest nation in the history of the world is "evil". Another considers that situation to be morally neutral or even "good"

So how do we fight this evil?

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
2.2.5  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Veronica @2.2.2    one week ago
I agree that there has to be intent.  And the knowledge that the deed is harmful to others.

Strangely, the viewpoint can dramatically shift dependent on the reasons behind the intent. For example, if a persons intent is to fire a rifle at another humans head, on its face one might assume "evil". But if it's a sniper intending to shoot a violent criminal who is holding another human hostage, well then it shifts from "evil" to "righteous". This further proves how subjective something like the concept of evil really is.

 
 
 
Veronica
2.2.6  author  Veronica  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @2.2.5    one week ago

I think you are trying to get me to chase my tail on this.  Good points.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
2.2.7  Bob Nelson  replied to  Veronica @2.2.4    one week ago
So how do we fight this evil?

I really don't know.

There's a sliding scale that's important here, from "100% me" to "100% us". Fixating on one's self leads, I believe, to not considering others, to being indifferent to others' fates. Cruelty follows.

Perhaps "love one another" is a good recipe.

 
 
 
Veronica
2.2.8  author  Veronica  replied to  Bob Nelson @2.2.7    one week ago
Perhaps "love one another" is a good recipe.

I am a big proponent of do unto others.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
2.2.9  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Veronica @2.2.8    one week ago
I am a big proponent of do unto others.

Yeah, but what if you're like our President and enjoy getting pee'd on?

 
 
 
Veronica
2.2.10  author  Veronica  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @2.2.9    one week ago

Eiwwwwwww, really?  You had to type that?  That is EVIL!

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
2.2.11  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Veronica @2.2.10    one week ago
That is EVIL!

Doo doo unto others as you'd have them doo doo to you... ;)

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
2.2.12  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Veronica @2.2.8    one week ago
I am a big proponent of do unto others.

I find that we fixate on that, that is what leads to poisoning oneself and so the endure leads to a personal loss which, then it could be viewed as the other person winning. Being consumed by retribution is never a good thing. 

 
 
 
Raven Wing
2.2.13  Raven Wing  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.2.12    one week ago
Being consumed by retribution is never a good thing. 

Agreed! 

 
 
 
Veronica
2.2.14  author  Veronica  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.2.12    one week ago

In my belief system anything I do comes back to me three fold - good & bad.  So I feel if I live by the "do unto others" then it shall come back to me.  Therefore I win in the long run.

 
 
 
r.t..b...
2.2.15  r.t..b...  replied to  Veronica @2.2.14    one week ago
then it shall come back to me.

And it shall. An oldie but a goodie...'My Karma ran over your Dogma.'

 
 
 
cjcold
2.2.16  cjcold  replied to  Veronica @2.2.1    6 days ago

Hint: That's why Marvel makes billions.

 
 
 
cjcold
2.2.17  cjcold  replied to  Veronica @2.2.14    6 days ago

This long-time paramedic doesn't want to bust your bubble, but really bad things happen to really good people.

 
 
 
Veronica
2.2.18  author  Veronica  replied to  cjcold @2.2.17    2 days ago

But most likely at some point they did something bad.  Sorry but that is the way I feel & believe.

 
 
 
Ender
3  Ender    one week ago

"There's evil a foot!"

I think evil is a justification for something people don't understand.

To me evil is just a complete lack of empathy and/or compassion.

Some would say Dahmer was evil, I say he was severely, mentally ill.

 
 
 
Veronica
3.1  author  Veronica  replied to  Ender @3    one week ago
To me evil is just a complete lack of empathy and/or compassion.

I agree with that. 

When it comes to serial killers I am torn.  I can see Dahmer being mentally ill, but Bundy.  To me the man was simply evil.

 
 
 
Ender
3.1.1  Ender  replied to  Veronica @3.1    one week ago

I still see him as being mentally deranged. He kept severed heads in his apartment and engaged in necrophilia.

 
 
 
Veronica
3.1.2  author  Veronica  replied to  Ender @3.1.1    one week ago

But he lacked empathy & compassion.  I think it is where I am conflicted.  Was Hitler evil or mentally ill?  Was Rasputin evil or mentally ill?  So many people that were executed on the orders from kings and queens - evil or mentally ill?  Does greed contribute the evilness in some people?  

So many thoughts - have to sort through them again - thank you for stirring them up.

 
 
 
Ender
3.1.3  Ender  replied to  Veronica @3.1.2    one week ago

That is where I might get conflicted. Xenocide is a different animal.

 
 
 
Veronica
3.1.4  author  Veronica  replied to  Ender @3.1.3    one week ago
Xenocide is a different animal.

Very different.

 
 
 
dave-2693993
3.1.5  dave-2693993  replied to  Veronica @3.1.2    one week ago
Was Hitler evil or mentally ill?  Was Rasputin evil or mentally ill?  So many people that were executed on the orders from kings and queens - evil or mentally ill?

Those questions lead me to this question:

If mental illness can wipe the evil from evil deeds, does mental illness also wipe the good from good deeds?

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
3.1.6  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  dave-2693993 @3.1.5    one week ago

I see where you're going and I happen to agree Dave. 

 
 
 
Veronica
3.1.7  author  Veronica  replied to  dave-2693993 @3.1.5    one week ago

Oh wow.  Never looked at it that way.  Good thing for me to ponder today.

 
 
 
cjcold
3.1.8  cjcold  replied to  dave-2693993 @3.1.5    6 days ago

Since most states won't execute the insane, but execute the evil.......... Where is the line?

I did medical exams in the most dangerous prison in the U.S.. In Leavenworth everybody is a trained killer.

So who is evil? The soldier who went nuts or the training and deployment that made him that way? 

Was this soldier evil when he racked up 55 kills, or when he tuned up his CO?

 
 
 
MonsterMash
3.2  MonsterMash  replied to  Ender @3    one week ago
Some would say Dahmer was evil, I say he was severely, mentally ill.

IMO Dahmer was demon possessed

 
 
 
Veronica
3.2.1  author  Veronica  replied to  MonsterMash @3.2    one week ago

That would make him a victim also.  How sad.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
3.2.2  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Veronica @3.2.1    one week ago
IMO Dahmer was demon possessed

He was wired very badly. You can't fix that, you can only minimize the damage. 

 
 
 
katrix
3.3  katrix  replied to  Ender @3    one week ago

I don't actually believe in the concept of evil. To me, it's a religious/superstitious term.   People we consider to be evil actually are mentally ill, or have some other bad brain wiring.  Some people are born with no empathy or emotions; others are abused into such a state. 

Mother Nature is indifferent.

 
 
 
Veronica
3.3.1  author  Veronica  replied to  katrix @3.3    one week ago
Mother Nature is indifferent.

You got that right.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
3.4  Bob Nelson  replied to  Ender @3    one week ago

If we agree that evil is "doing harm with intent", then mental illness is not a consideration. Mass murderers are evil. They do harm with intent.

Their thinking may be diseased, but their acts are evil.

I would beware of considering a person evil. Or good. People are complex. They almost always do both good and evil. I'm sure that some executioners at Auschwitz were loving fathers.

 
 
 
Ender
3.4.1  Ender  replied to  Bob Nelson @3.4    one week ago

I don't believe in evil. It is a concept.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
3.4.2  Bob Nelson  replied to  Ender @3.4.1    one week ago

That’s semantics, I think.

 
 
 
Ender
3.4.3  Ender  replied to  Bob Nelson @3.4.2    6 days ago

It is just replacing bad with evil. It is equating the words as the same.

 
 
 
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4  Badfish H҉a҉n҉d҉ ҉o҉f҉ ҉D҉o҉o҉m҉    one week ago

I always find America's love for the Mafia to fit right in to this discussion. Many of these monsters treated their families well, loved their children helped the community build a new park but committed horrible crimes.

I think humans are complex, many have good character traits and bad. We tend to judge people by the bad traits though.

As for the serial killer, I firmly believe the darkness we often refer to as evil to be Mental Illness we simply struggle to understand.

 
 
 
Veronica
4.1  author  Veronica  replied to  Badfish H҉a҉n҉d҉ ҉o҉f҉ ҉D҉o҉o҉m҉ @4    one week ago
Mafia

I recently saw a show and read in a book that put forth the theory that the Axman of New Orleans was actually Mafia hits.  It was an interesting take on it.

I read a lot about serial killers (not sure why) and find it hard to attribute it all to mental illness, but that is just what I think.

 
 
 
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4.1.1  Badfish H҉a҉n҉d҉ ҉o҉f҉ ҉D҉o҉o҉m҉  replied to  Veronica @4.1    one week ago
I read a lot about serial killers (not sure why) and find it hard to attribute it all to mental illness, but that is just what I think.

Well the great thing about articles like this Veronica is we can all think and none of us are absolutely right or wrong. Bravo on the actual discussion inspiring blog post!

I was a Psychology major so I prefer to think there is an explanation for these dark places and behaviors we see. Am i right? Who knows, it's just my way of processing the horrors we find in this world.

 
 
 
Veronica
4.1.2  author  Veronica  replied to  Badfish H҉a҉n҉d҉ ҉o҉f҉ ҉D҉o҉o҉m҉ @4.1.1    one week ago

Both of my kids were Psychology majors (my daughter has become a Marriage & Family counselor).  We have these kind of discussions all the time.  I have to say I do not understand the mind as she does (I am a more spiritual bent mind).  For example she explains dreams with neurons firing & on & on - I look at dreams as a trying to convey something to me.  She sees serial killers much as you do.  I see some like that, but others I just see as evil.  

Thanks for coming & talking. I like to hear what others that think differently than I when it comes to stuff like this.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
4.1.3  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Veronica @4.1.2    one week ago

Nature and nurture is where I come from. I think you can take a very non evil person and make them very evil and take a person who would lean towards being evil and raise them otherwise. 

Of course there might be a genetic component. 

To me, we know evil but it is also a perspective. 

Do you think the ants you walk on, don't think we're evil?

 
 
 
TᵢG
4.1.4  TᵢG  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @4.1.3    one week ago

I agree.  Human behavior is very complicated.

 
 
 
Veronica
4.1.5  author  Veronica  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @4.1.3    one week ago
Do you think the ants you walk on, don't think we're evil?

Not my favorite critters, but I try not to crush them.  

I definitely think it is how someone or something is viewed.  I believe to eradicate a whole species is evil, others see it as progress or necessity.  

As Obi Wan told Luke "So what I told you was true, from a certain point of viewObi-Wan: Luke, you're going to find that many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our own point of view.

 
 
 
katrix
4.1.6  katrix  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @4.1.3    one week ago
Do you think the ants you walk on, don't think we're evil?

They would probably view us as I view nature - indifferent. 

I've sometimes thought how weird it would be if we were all just going about our business, and randomly a huge foot came down and crushed a bunch of us.  If ants were sentient, they'd be nervous wrecks!

 
 
 
CB
4.1.7  CB   replied to  katrix @4.1.6    one week ago

I have this "amazing" plant which snails love to congregate on and eat its 'flesh.' (Seeing it from the plants point of view.) Anyway, yesterday, I was removing snails from the folds of this plant when I got so frustrated that I reached down grabbed a shell and hurled in off into the heart of the lawn; next, I saw a really tiny shell (and you know what was inside it) and in a momentary fit of rage and despair I hurled it too off on to the lawn—a different direction. Immediately afterwards, it occurred to me, that I had probably separated a mother-child "family" from itself forever! (Usually, I place them side-by-side in "safe harbor" elsewhere. Not yesterday.)

So the question for me is this: What I did above had no redeemable value. . .for the snail-family anyway. I likely killed the "little tot."  Did I act evilly?

 
 
 
katrix
4.1.8  katrix  replied to  CB @4.1.7    one week ago

Nope, I don't think you did.  Since snails aren't sentient beings, and the baby was clearly not nursing (heh!), I doubt they even noticed.  And since you threw the shell on the lawn, it probably didn't even break.  Hmm.  I just googled it and it turns out that snails are social creatures!  Who would have thought?  So maybe they did notice.  I'm sure they have a way to find each other via scent or something, although it might take them a day to do it.

I kill insects when they're eating my plants, and while I try not to step on bugs, it's impossible not to step on them sometimes.  And I'll kill mice if they're in the house because they spread disease and cause a lot of damage (even though I think they're cute). 

It reminds me (and I may have told you this before) about I time I volunteered for trail cleanup at a Buddhist monastery nearby.  The nuns had a cookout for us after we cleared the trails.  One nun noticed our surprise at being offered both real hamburgers and veggie burgers, and said their philosophy is that being a vegetarian isn't crucial.  No matter what we eat, something dies so that we can eat - whether it's picking the bugs off our plants so the plants live, or killing the bugs when we're digging in the dirt, or whatever.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
4.1.9  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  CB @4.1.7    one week ago

"Different snails reproduce differently, but most snails are "hermaphrodites." Being a hermaphrodite means that any given snail can be both male and female at the same time. This can make it a lot easier for snails to reproduce and quickly make a whole lot of snails! Some hermaphrodite snails do not need another snail to reproduce, but can make more snails all by themselves (this is called asexual reproduction). Other snails are hermaphrodites but still need another snail to reproduce (this is called sexual reproduction). There are also some snails that aren't hermaphrodites, but are either male or female, and must find a snail of the opposite sex to breed with."

"After mating, each snail will lay eggs either in the dirt (land snails) or behind a rock (marine snails). The eggs will hatch and a baby snail will be born after 2-4 weeks. While the baby grows and develops it stays in a nest near its parents for about 3 months before it is ready to go off into the world on its own."

https://scienceline.ucsb.edu/getkey.php?key=2578

So according to most evangelicals, you were certainly doing what they would consider "good" by hurling evil hermaphrodite snails away from your precious fleshy plant. Just make sure you quote Jesus when you hurl them and proclaim "Get behind me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to me; you do not have in mind the concerns of God, but merely human concerns." - Matthew 16:23

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
4.1.10  Bob Nelson  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @4.1.9    one week ago
evil hermaphrodite

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CB
4.1.11  CB   replied to  katrix @4.1.8    one week ago

Alas! Our world 'groans' with life in the 'in-between" spaces. You dig down into the soil and observe that you have upset the balance for the creatures 'nesting' in a shovel full of dirt. I kill nature's creatures as often as the next civilized person, but sometimes I do think about what I am doing! And, it disturbs me. I have noticed creatures attempting to flee from my weed-wacker but futilely insisting on heading in the wrong direction! Time won't permit me to stand there and keep course-correcting for 'em! Too bad! So sad.

We, sentient ones, the conscientious ones, can feel it all—if we permit ourselves, that is. (Smile.) Thank you for your reply, katrix!

 
 
 
CB
4.1.12  CB   replied to  Dismayed Patriot @4.1.9    one week ago
a baby snail will be born after 2-4 weeks. While the baby grows and develops it stays in a nest near its parents for about 3 months before it is ready to go off into the world on its own."

So, it's settled (Katrix!) I "doomed" that tiny baby snail. Doomed it, I tell ya! Woe is me!

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
4.2  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Badfish H҉a҉n҉d҉ ҉o҉f҉ ҉D҉o҉o҉m҉ @4    one week ago
I always find America's love for the Mafia to fit right in to this discussion. Many of these monsters treated their families well, loved their children helped the community build a new park but committed horrible crimes.

I think that's how many Americans see this current President, as a mobster who takes care of his base but does horrible things to anyone outside that group. While a mob boss may take care of his own neighborhood, he has no problem extorting and pillaging the people in the surrounding areas. They often rule by a combination of fear and respect. Respected by those they protect and who share in the perks of them breaking the law, and feared by those they oppress and use for illegal financial gain. And often there is an "us" vs "them" perception created by both sides, each attributing "evil" to the other sides intentions. To a mob bosses family and friends, they are seen as a champion, a hero willing to do the things others aren't to protect their 'Familia'. To those the mob boss extorts and those around them he's an 'evil' violent criminal that threatens the very existence of civil society, and even if they aren't personally harmed, they desire to see the mob boss jailed just on principle because they consider them "evil". I'm glad El Chapo was taken off the streets but I'm sure there are a large number of his supporters who are bitterly angry at his capture and are likely currently trying to break him out. So is he "evil"? To some yes, absolutely. To others, he's a hero, a Robin Hood robbing from the rich giving to the poor, just like Trump supporters view their mob boss, who they imagine is robbing from the coastal elites giving to the poor coal miners (even though that couldn't be further from the truth, he's just robbing from everyone and isn't ever going to bring those coal jobs back). So to some, El Chapo, John Gotti, Carlo Gambino, Al Capone and Donald Trump are heroes who protected their base supporters and didn't let the law, ethics or morality get in their way in order to accomplish it, but would be considered "evil" by millions of law abiding citizens.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
4.3  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Badfish H҉a҉n҉d҉ ҉o҉f҉ ҉D҉o҉o҉m҉ @4    one week ago
As for the serial killer, I firmly believe the darkness we often refer to as evil to be Mental Illness we simply struggle to understand.

I happen to agree. 

 
 
 
Freefaller
5  Freefaller    one week ago
when someone is about to do something stupid?  

Lol like a tool shed filled with sharp killey things or a small room with only one exit?

Where does evil come from?

To me evil comes from us and us is the result of our nurture and environment

How do we fight evil?

Mostly by being raised with and knowing/following the normal social mores of society, a minority will require some form of medical intervention and a even smaller minority will succumb to their evil and eventually be punished.

 
 
 
Veronica
5.1  author  Veronica  replied to  Freefaller @5    one week ago
like a tool shed filled with sharp killey things or a small room with only one exit?

EXACTLY!!!!!

Good answer...... 

 
 
 
luther28
6  luther28    one week ago

The Concept of Evil (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy)

https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/concept-evil/
by T Calder - ‎2013 - ‎Cited by 42 - ‎Related articles
Nov 26, 2013 - Nietzsche believes that the concept of evil is dangerous because it ... the evils of domestic violence than it is to ensure that women and men are ...
You may find Nietzsche's take on evil interesting.
From my perspective I find mankinds initial tendencies in many given instances lean towards the bad and effort must be applied to tilt oneself towards good (ie: you find a  100.00 dollars bill on the floor, initial response?) In other words, generally we will lean toward the path of our initial thought (to stick it in ones pocket) but in many cases that thought is purged and one will turn it in.
 
 
 
Veronica
6.1  author  Veronica  replied to  luther28 @6    one week ago

I have downloaded the whole article to read later, but did read the Nietzsche part.  I started reading the beginning, but decided to peruse it at a more leisurely pace.  Nietzsche's concept does make some sense, but damn I keep getting flashes of Bundy's eyes in court and I see evil.

You are right about the human tendencies.  I think your example was a very good one since most people I know would at least entertain pocketing it but in the end turn it in.

 
 
 
luther28
6.1.1  luther28  replied to  Veronica @6.1    one week ago

I forgot to add, this was a nice piece it made me think. Thank you Veronica.

 
 
 
Veronica
6.1.2  author  Veronica  replied to  luther28 @6.1.1    one week ago

Thank you for commenting. I like it when I actually have to put thought into discussions & then I get articles recommended that I actually learn from.  I am actually a nerd - I like to read to learn.

 
 
 
TᵢG
7  TᵢG    one week ago
Where does evil come from?

It is in our nature.   A product of evolution, it would seem.

 
 
 
Veronica
7.1  author  Veronica  replied to  TᵢG @7    one week ago
It is in our nature.   A product of evolution, it would seem.

Lives in each of us & some of push it down more successfully than others.

 
 
 
Freefaller
7.2  Freefaller  replied to  TᵢG @7    one week ago
It is in our nature.   A product of evolution, it would seem.

The old nature vs nurture argument.  Me I lean heavier toward the nurture side of the debate. My opinion only while the capacity for evil exists within us all through nature the capability to follow through with evil is through nurture.

 
 
 
TᵢG
7.2.1  TᵢG  replied to  Freefaller @7.2    one week ago
My opinion only while the capacity for evil exists within us all through nature the capability to follow through with evil is through nurture.

Pretty much my take on it as well.   Nurture plays a big role; but I also recognize a biological disposition for evil that can defy nurture.  Note:  body chemistry at each developmental stage also plays a key role.

 
 
 
SteevieGee
8  SteevieGee    one week ago

I hate to break it to you but, holy water is really just regular water.

 
 
 
Badfish H҉a҉n҉d҉ ҉o҉f҉ ҉D҉o҉o҉m҉
8.1  Badfish H҉a҉n҉d҉ ҉o҉f҉ ҉D҉o҉o҉m҉  replied to  SteevieGee @8    one week ago

Good to know, I use it in the bong!

 
 
 
MrFrost
8.1.1  MrFrost  replied to  Badfish H҉a҉n҉d҉ ҉o҉f҉ ҉D҉o҉o҉m҉ @8.1    one week ago
Good to know, I use it in the bong!

I am trying to cut back to drinking one quart a day.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
8.2  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  SteevieGee @8    one week ago
holy water is really just regular water.

Ice is technically 'holey' water... full of tiny air pockets or "holes".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice#/media/File:Ice_Ih_Crystal_Lattice.png

"Once you’ve finished making your holy water, place it in the container of your choice, such as a small glass vial or plastic spray bottle. You can sprinkle it around different rooms in your home to bless them, or use it to bless yourself or a family member when they go to bed at night"

https://m.wikihow.com/Make-Your-Own-Holy-Water

I rather love the idea that Catholics can make their own holy water and then put it in a squirt bottle. Too funny.

 
 
 
Veronica
8.3  author  Veronica  replied to  SteevieGee @8    one week ago

Not telling me anything that I didn't already know.

 
 
 
Raven Wing
9  Raven Wing    one week ago

To the Cherokee, Evil is the cause of Disharmony among the Tribes. To the Cherokee, Harmony is the essence of their survival, as each member depended on each other for their survival, and that of the Tribe as a whole. 

Thus, anyone, or anything, that created Disharmony among the people and/or Tribe was considered evil and must be eliminated. In the case of a person/persons, there were banned from the Tribe and to fend for themselves. Whatever thing, be it animal or object that created Disharmony in the Tribe it was discarded. The Cherokee were Spiritual people, as were most Native American Tribes, and dealing with evil was not taken lightly. 

I agree that a good deal of evil is based on intent, where someone intends to do or say things that they know will cause pain and/or suffering to others, and derives some means of satisfaction from it. While some people think they are being clever in how they go about their evil deeds, they are not as clever as thy think they are, and they are far more transparent than they think. 

True evil comes in many shapes and forms, and if one is willing to be observant, it is not that hard to observe.

JMOO

 
 
 
Veronica
9.1  author  Veronica  replied to  Raven Wing @9    one week ago
True evil comes in many shapes and forms, and if one is willing to be observant, it is not that hard to observe.

I agree with that.

Thank you for commenting.  I like to hear how the Native American tribes see things.  As a Wiccan we share many of the same beliefs, or close anyways.

 
 
 
Raven Wing
9.1.1  Raven Wing  replied to  Veronica @9.1    one week ago
As a Wiccan we share many of the same beliefs, or close anyways.

I think so as well. Many Spiritual cultures seem to have very similar beliefs. I enjoy learning about other cultures and their beliefs as well. (smile)

 
 
 
JBB
9.1.2  JBB  replied to  Raven Wing @9.1.1    one week ago

In all fairness though, if it is allowed one it should be allowed everyone...

 
 
 
Raven Wing
9.1.3  Raven Wing  replied to  JBB @9.1.2    one week ago

Sorry JBB....but, I am not sure what your comment is about. Could you clarify a bit more for me please.

 
 
 
JBB
9.1.4  JBB  replied to  Raven Wing @9.1.3    one week ago

I do not know what happened there. That comment was supposed to be a reply on that other article about the Native American graduate who is not being allowed to wear an eagle feather. Something got all crossed up somehow. So sorry for any confusion...

 
 
 
Raven Wing
9.1.5  Raven Wing  replied to  JBB @9.1.4    one week ago

Ahh....OK......it just left me a bit muddled. (grin)

 
 
 
MrFrost
10  MrFrost    one week ago
How do we fight evil?

Eat more fiber. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
10.1  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  MrFrost @10    one week ago

Or take Mallox...

 
 
 
Veronica
10.2  author  Veronica  replied to  MrFrost @10    one week ago

Hmmmm.  Bran cereal here we come.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
10.2.1  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Veronica @10.2    6 days ago

Now there's a study posted that says fruit juices will shorten our lives. After eggs being declared dangerous, the next thing they'll scare us with is potatoes.

https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2019-05-17/sugary-drinks-i-and-i-fruit-juice-may-increase-risk-of-early-death

 
 
 
Freefaller
10.2.2  Freefaller  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @10.2.1    6 days ago

Lol I can't have fruit juices, hate eggs so am ok with writing them off but they're going to have to pry my potatoes from my cold dead hands.

 
 
 
Kavika
10.2.3  Kavika   replied to  Freefaller @10.2.2    6 days ago

I think that holding on to mashed potato's would be kinda hard....jrSmiley_2_smiley_image.png

idont-normally-cook-does-anybody-know-ho

 
 
 
dave-2693993
10.2.4  dave-2693993  replied to  Kavika @10.2.3    6 days ago

Well the most important thing about mashed potatoes is how much how much catfish to add.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
10.2.5  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Freefaller @10.2.2    6 days ago

Is there an amendment to the Second Amendment about potatoes?

 
 
 
Freefaller
10.2.6  Freefaller  replied to  Kavika @10.2.3    6 days ago
I think that holding on to mashed potato's would be kinda hard....

LMAO well duhh that's why you use your underwear to hold mashed potatoes.

 
 
 
Raven Wing
10.2.7  Raven Wing  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @10.2.5    6 days ago
Is there an amendment to the Second Amendment about potatoes?

I believe it is called, "Merry Maids Cookbook"

jrSmiley_18_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Raven Wing
10.2.8  Raven Wing  replied to  Freefaller @10.2.6    6 days ago
LMAO well duhh that's why you use your underwear to hold mashed potatoes.

Uhh.....in that case I think I will pass on the mashed potatoes ......>>>>>

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
11  Perrie Halpern R.A.    one week ago

OK call me an optimist, but I think that most people are born with equal chances of being good or evil and then life takes over, magnifying weakness or strengths, and so the brain becomes wired. Most will fall into the realm of normal.

That being said, I do think that some people are an "evil seed", but I don't think that happens all that often. 

 
 
 
katrix
11.1  katrix  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @11    one week ago

Some people are clearly born that way.  Psychopaths and sociopaths can be born or created.  I've always thought how terrible it would be to realize when your child is just a toddler that they are what we consider "evil" - what the heck would you do? 

 
 
 
Veronica
11.2  author  Veronica  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @11    one week ago
"evil seed"

My father called me that every so often.  I wonder if he know I would grow up to be a witch. 

 
 
 
Enoch
12  Enoch    one week ago

One definition of evil is the absence of good.

Try doing good to replace it.

P&AB.

Enoch.

 
 
 
Veronica
12.1  author  Veronica  replied to  Enoch @12    one week ago

Why hello.  How are you doing?  

Thank you for your response. I wish more people would just try to do good.  I try (and fail at times), but I keep trying.  I also try to make things up for people I have wronged (and again fail at times).  The threefold philosophy that I try to adhere to works fairly well.  When I have to make a decision about something that will affect others I stop to think about whether or not I will get a boatload of good or a boatload of bad.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
13  Nerm_L    one week ago

Whatever happened to virtue? 

As a society we spend an inordinate amount of attention on evil.  If we only look for evil then evil is all we will see.  Eventually we measure ethical behavior in shades of evil; making choices between the lesser of two evils.

Virtue is the opposite of evil, isn't it?  But what does virtue mean?  IMO we need to be less concerned with evil and pay more attention to virtue.  Having to make a choice between the lesser of two virtues would still be a virtuous choice, wouldn't it?  To me it seems that if we don't understand what is virtuous then it becomes more difficult to avoid evil.

 
 
 
Veronica
13.1  author  Veronica  replied to  Nerm_L @13    one week ago

Nothing has happened to virtue in my opinion.  Except that many see only religious people as having virtue.  I would hope most people would live their lives doing good (or virtuous deeds), but we cannot ignore the evil or it will engulf us regardless of how virtuous we are.  

 
 
 
Freefaller
13.2  Freefaller  replied to  Nerm_L @13    one week ago
we spend an inordinate amount of attention on evil.

Evil (and sex) sells, we the consumer could stop that but we seem to be insatiable in our appetite to get enough of it. 

 
 
 
Nerm_L
13.2.1  Nerm_L  replied to  Freefaller @13.2    one week ago
Evil (and sex) sells, we the consumer could stop that but we seem to be insatiable in our appetite to get enough of it. 

Vice is a temptation that appeals to individual impulses.  Is succumbing to temptation evil?  Is avoiding temptation virtuous?

IMO deliberately using temptations to entice and manipulate individuals is the evil.  Individuals succumbing to temptation may be bad or wrong but not evil.

That raises the question of whether or not deliberately using virtue to entice and manipulate individuals is also evil.  As an example, the plight of refugees is used to garner emotional sympathy and entice individuals to contribute money.  But is that deliberate enticement and manipulation virtuous or evil?  

 
 
 
Veronica
13.2.2  author  Veronica  replied to  Nerm_L @13.2.1    one week ago
But is that deliberate enticement and manipulation virtuous or evil?

Interesting question.  I will have to ponder.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
13.3  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Nerm_L @13    one week ago
Whatever happened to virtue? 

Virtuous: adjective - having or showing high moral standards.

Moral: adjective - concerned with the principles of right and wrong behavior and the goodness or badness of human character.

Bad: synonyms - wicked, sinful, immoral, evil

"As a society we spend an inordinate amount of attention on evil."

"Virtue is the opposite of evil, isn't it?"

"IMO we need to be less concerned with evil and pay more attention to virtue."

So how would you respond if I said:

"As a society we spend an inordinate amount of attention on being dry."

"Wet is the opposite of dry, isn't it?"

"IMO we need to be less concerned with being dry and pay more attention to not being wet."

It would be virtually impossible to be concerned with "virtue" but not be concerned with "evil". By it's very definition one is the antithesis of the other. Try to define "virtue" without defining it as the opposite of "evil, wicked, sinful, bad".

 
 
 
Nerm_L
13.3.1  Nerm_L  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @13.3    6 days ago
So how would you respond if I said:

"As a society we spend an inordinate amount of attention on being dry."

"Wet is the opposite of dry, isn't it?"

"IMO we need to be less concerned with being dry and pay more attention to not being wet."

It would be virtually impossible to be concerned with "virtue" but not be concerned with "evil". By it's very definition one is the antithesis of the other. Try to define "virtue" without defining it as the opposite of "evil, wicked, sinful, bad".

If society focuses it attention on dryness as undesirable then society will begin seeing dryness and making decisions to avoid dryness.  Any amount of dryness completely overshadows wetness; any dryness is unacceptable.  Since dryness is undesirable should society expend all its efforts toward eliminating dryness altogether?  And if dryness cannot be eliminated should society just ignore dryness?

On the other hand, if society focuses its attention on wetness as desirable the society will begin seeing wetness and making decisions to increase wetness.  Adding a little wetness to dryness is a good thing and is certainly better than no wetness at all.  Dryness can always be improved by adding wetness, even in small amounts.

By focusing attention on evil, society looks for evil and makes decisions based on evil.  Any amount of evil completely overshadows virtue; any taint of evil is unacceptable.  Society is forced to choose between the lesser of two evils rather than choosing between the greater of two virtues.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
13.3.2  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Nerm_L @13.3.1    6 days ago
Society is forced to choose between the lesser of two evils rather than choosing between the greater of two virtues.

So you're making the argument that we should tell people to "love and be loyal to your spouse" instead of telling them "Don't cheat"? It's aspirational, but I think many will fail to decipher a difference.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
13.3.3  Nerm_L  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @13.3.2    5 days ago
So you're making the argument that we should tell people to "love and be loyal to your spouse" instead of telling them "Don't cheat"? It's aspirational, but I think many will fail to decipher a difference.

Well, if society is motivated to look for evil then evil is all that society will see.  An individual succumbing to temptation once will overshadow and invalidate the individual's entire life.  Humans are fallible and cannot be absolutely virtuous so finding evil is not difficult, one only need look.  Society makes decisions by choosing the lesser of two evils.  In that type of society evil always wins.

We see that in our own politics.  Political opponents attempt to goad each other into doing something that can be twisted into a perception of evil.  But isn't the true evil the attempt to goad and entice an individual into succumbing to temptation?  Isn't the political provocateur the real evil in our politics?

Which is the better motivator for society:  "Don't do evil" or "Always try to do good"?  Should society expend its energy and effort trying to find and eliminate evil?  Or should society expend its energy and effort trying to becoming virtuous?  The absence of evil is not the same thing as being virtuous.  

 
 
 
It Is ME
13.3.4  It Is ME  replied to  Nerm_L @13.3.3    5 days ago
Well, if society is motivated to look for evil then evil is all that society will see.

January 2016 to May 2019…… so far !

 
 
 
It Is ME
15  It Is ME    one week ago

It Is Me is "Evil"..... "EVIL" I tellya !

I do like "Sponge Bob" ! It's so cute..... AND FUN TO WATCH..... STILL !

"Evil" seems to be simply subjective these days. If your against ……. ANYTHING …… One is "EVIL" !

Used to be....Evil actually had to hit one in the Friggin Face...… Literally....before someone called out......……. EVIL !

EVIL doesn't mean ANYTHING Anymore. Hell, China has it's fans in this Country. Same with Venezuela and Cuba !

Even the Russia Thingy we've been watching for two years is just a Faux Evil Thingy. ALL our politicians still meet with "Vlad the Impaler jrSmiley_18_smiley_image.gif" , He's a Vampire.....I've seen it ! I have my soaked in Blessed water wooden stakes ready..... You ?

 
 
 
JBB
15.1  JBB  replied to  It Is ME @15    one week ago

And, that is why you are never taken seriously. Thanks for the demonstration.

 
 
 
It Is ME
15.1.1  It Is ME  replied to  JBB @15.1    5 days ago
And, that is why you are never taken seriously.

Which one bothered you. The funny parts in the beginning, or the reality at the end..

 
 
 
Gordy327
16  Gordy327    6 days ago

You know what is really evil: decaffeinated coffee. Or non-alcoholic beer. Or Hawaiian pizza. I mean, it must take a really diabolical person to ruin a perfectly good pizza with fruit. jrSmiley_4_smiley_image.png

 
 
 
Freefaller
16.1  Freefaller  replied to  Gordy327 @16    6 days ago
decaffeinated coffee. Or non-alcoholic beer

I agree

Hawaiian pizza.

On this I must disagree with you.  Pineapple with bacon and ham on a pizza was the greatest advance in pizza since the invention of dough

 
 
 
Gordy327
16.1.1  Gordy327  replied to  Freefaller @16.1    6 days ago
On this I must disagree with you.  Pineapple with bacon and ham on a pizza was the greatest advance in pizza since the invention of dough

That's what evil does: it pulls you in with deception and gratification. jrSmiley_18_smiley_image.gif