The strange case of John Sullivan
We are only now beginning to learn the sordid details of what happened last week in the nation's capitol. One of those who was involved in the riot was John Sullivan founder of "Insurgence USA," which is a group dedicated to "racial justice and police reform. " He has a history of organizing leftist protests and identifies with Black Lives Matter. He had an arrest record involving the violent unrest of this past summer:
"PROVO — One of the organizers of a protest in Provo that resulted in a motorist being shot was arrested on Thursday.
John Earle Sullivan, 25, of Sandy, was booked into the Utah County Jail for investigation of rioting, making a threat of violence and criminal mischief.
On June 29, a group calling itself Back to Blue planned to drive around the Provo Police Department and honk their horns to show support for law enforcement.
Another group planned a counterprotest at the same time and place. On Facebook, its event page was originally titled End Police Brutality but was later changed to Marching for Racial Equality. The Facebook pages listed the event’s hosts as the groups Insurgence, Solidarity for Justice, Salt Lake Equal Rights Movement and the Salt Lake Antifascist Coalition.
Sullivan is part of the Insurgence USA group, according to a police affidavit:
“Protesters traveled through downtown Provo. The protesters did not obtain a permit for the event,” the affidavit states. “John Sullivan and Insurgence USA had social media postings promoting other protesters to join them.”
Between 80 and 100 people were part of the protest.
“The protest traveled on the roadways blocking motorists who have the right of way. John Sullivan blocked vehicles from freely moving lawfully. During the course of the protest, two handguns were brandished and two shots fired toward a motorist traveling to Home Depot. Vehicles were damaged by protestors as well as by John Sullivan,” the affidavit states.
“As a protest organizer John Sullivan is heard and seen as he is promoting protesters to block roadways, keeping motorists from traveling lawfully and freely.”
Sullivan was also captured on video threatening to beat a woman in an SUV, according to the affidavit, and then kicking her door, leaving a dent.
Sullivan was seen with Jesse Taggart — the man charged with shooting the motorist — throughout the protest, the affidavit states.
“As a protest organizer, John Sullivan is heard talking about seeing the shooting, looking at the gun and seeing smoke coming from it. John did not condemn the attempted murder nor attempt to stop it nor aide in its investigation by police.”
https://www.deseret.com/utah/2020/7/10/21320220/organizer-of-provo-protest-arrested-accused-of-rioting-making-threats
It was Sullivan who filmed the killing of Ashli Babbitt.
"Sullivan was charged in federal court in the District of Columbia with civil disorder, being in a restricted area and disorderly conduct. According to the US Department of Justice, Sullivan has been charged with entering a restricted building or grounds without authority; civil disorders; and violent entry or disorderly conduct. The criminal complaint filed against Sullivan lists him as the "leader of an organization called Insurgence USA through which he organizes protests".
https://meaww.com/who-is-john-sullivan-utah-activist-arrest-capitol-riot-anderson-cooper-interview
The documents also allege that Sullivan broke a window in the Capitol building. He was wearing a ballistics vest and a gas mask.
Believe it or not the gullible Anderson Cooper interviewed Sullivan as if Sullivan was just covering the event as a kind of citizen journalist. Cooper refers to him as a "left activist":
Social media outlets were busy with those calling out Anderson for the naivete/misrepresentation. We know better. It is after all CNN.
What else have we learned?
Former chief Steven Sund who was forced into resigning by Nancy Pelosi has gone on the record about requesting the National Guard no less than 6 times.
"In his first interview since pro-Trump rioters stormed the U.S. Capitol last week, Sund, who has since resigned his post, said his supervisors were reluctant to take formal steps to put the Guard on call even as police intelligence suggested that the crowd President Trump had invited to Washington to protest his defeat probably would be much larger than earlier demonstrations."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/sund-riot-national-guard/2021/01/10/fc2ce7d4-5384-11eb-a817-e5e7f8a406d6_story.html
More information will come out and that is why it was so important for the Speaker to create a narrative and act quickly.
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“My concern is if they don’t get their act together with physical security, it’s going to happen again,” he said.
Only sometimes it seems.
You have to wonder how much and how many leftist insurgents were involved in the riot.
Let's face it - rioting has become part of the culture. If this is what takes to put an end to it, I'm for it. Let democrats stand up and take the pledge - riots will not be tolerated no matter the reason!
I'm not. If things have truly deteriorated to that point, there's no point to discussing anything. There's no point to reason. It also says we no longer care about winning the centrists at the polls. I'm not ready to give up.
Vic, While the siege of the capitol building was going on, and Donald Trump knew it, he tweeted this out to his followers there
"Remember This Day Forever"
How do you explain that Vic? It sounds like he's telling them to be proud of what they are doing as they bash in windows and doors and try to break into the congressional chambers, and beat up the "men and women in blue", doesnt it?
More tortured logic? Those words don't mean anything more than their context - a challenge to the election's integrity.
This 'president' indeed was a challenge to the election's integrity.
So some conservatives riot because some liberals riot? That makes all of those involved bands of extremists. Let's face it.
There is also the fact that some liberals riot because of factual inequities in society, for example, the street 'justice' and illegitimate killing of their child/ren caught on camera. Some conservatives attempted to beat the living daylights out of police at the national Capitol, in the name of a deceitful, wreck of a president.
They were neither.
There is also the fact that some liberals riot because of factual inequities in society,
We either condemn all violence or we will get more of it.
Some conservatives need to change this win by taking away the shared rights and privileges of those others in this country. Like Jesus stated to Martha:
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but few things are needed--or indeed only one. Mary has chosen what is better, and it will not be taken away from her."
Luke 10:42
Time for some conservatives to choose the better part (according to Jesus)! God will not allow the Godhead to be made to look Small, Petty, and a Maligner.
Time for some to be punished:
"FBI Special Agent Matthew Foulger said in an affidavit supporting the criminal complaint that a series of statements Sullivan made on video encouraged the lawbreaking.
Foulger said that as the crowd rushed the Capitol building, Sullivan declared: “We accomplished this shit. We did this together. Fuck yeah! We are all a part of this history,” and “Let’s burn this shit down.”
The complaint alleges that as rioters sought to break the glass in a set of doors in the Capitol, Sullivan rushed forward and said he could help. “Hey guys, I have a knife. I have a knife. Let me up,” the activist allegedly said.
The FBI appeared to dispute Sullivan’s claim that he was a reporter. Foulger told the court that Sullivan “admitted … that he has no press credentials.”
“The investigation has not revealed any connection between Sullivan and any journalistic organizations,” the FBI agent said.
The federal complaint says Sullivan voluntarily provided the FBI with copies of the video footage he shot that day, much of which was posted online.
The felony charge against Sullivan suggests prosecutors view his case as more serious than most of the scores of other cases filed against accused rioters. Most who simply surged in with the crowd are charged solely with the two misdemeanors. The civil disorder charge, brought under the 1968 Anti-Riot Act, carries a maximum possible sentence of five years in prison."
I have no idea what you're talking about. Sorry.
Well, that's arbitrary coming from some conservatives (seeing that nobody is actually shooting your 'tribe' down in the streets using policing powers/authority). And when did I ever read some conservatives do anything but support "the Blue" when it suits their agenda? We all read these lop-sided articles some conservatives pull up and place before us for consideration. No mention or admonishment whatsoever of the other side- that suits them.
Think I, we, don't notice. Well, think again. It's clearly EVIDENCED this is a deflection and control technique 'expertly' being delivered day in and day out.
"The Blue" got dismissed, bloodied, and murdered by the hands of Trump supporters at the Capitol, and it does not register a mere mention from the "author," who continues on with the 'grind' of demonizing the other side. Some conservatives, y'all writings are red-drenched with the blood of the Blue.
What's next up? Some conservatives are threatening our children in the 'Guard'?
And, I don't know what your first paragraph adds to this. It seems like a something flung out quickly.
And yet some conservatives still dare write. . . remember Jesus, the Nazarene? Son of God? That one should come to mind readily.
Still don't know what you're talking about. About all that comes to mind is, when someone on the left invokes God, they usually subvert the meaning.
That's not fair
Why?
Nice flowers, btw.
So you think of God in terms of "Left" and "Right". How petty such a Being would be. Anyway, since you mentioned God, then you have at least a small understanding of Jesus, Mary and Martha. @ 1.1.9 :
Honestly, CB, as usual, I have no idea what you're talking about. It's as if we exist in two different realities and I have no concept of what my words apparently mean to you. I literally have no idea how to respond to you. Absolutely nothing in your post makes sense to me. I'm not trying to be mean. I simply have not the least idea what your talking about. I know the verse you are referring to. I know what it means. I have no idea how you are applying it to this conversation.
Meh. Anyway, have it your way. God knows the heart. If it is okay with you (I will assume it is) I will keep an open-mind regarding your comments that I respond to. Thanks
“The beginning of wisdom is: Acquire wisdom; And with all your possessions, acquire understanding." Proverbs 4:7
Vic, While the siege of the capitol building was going on, and Donald Trump knew it, he tweeted this out to his followers there "Remember This Day Forever"
When Trump made the exhortation "Remember This Day Forever" he was specifically responding to the news that there was a riot taking place inside the capitol building. Not before, but after it had already been going on for 2 or 3 hours. In the same tweet he also said
He is referring to the "storming" of the Capitol Building. One simply would not refer to a peaceful demonstration with this sort of language. A sentence later he says "Remember This Day Forever".
John, in response to the few hundred rioters who disrupted what would have been a peaceful protest, the President officially & specifically said:
"America must always be a nation of law and order"
"To those who broke the law - you will be punished"
Clear and concise language. No need for abstract interpretations.
"Honestly." The word is there but then you cloud it with nonsense about 'me no understand.' Then something about "not trying to be mean" - Okay, then loosen up and discuss (truth, Jesus, God, and above all conscience).
As to the verse, Jesus instructs people of faith to choose the better parts, that being the fruits of the Spirit - not those of the flesh. Now, if you need further "definition" to hold a discussion (if that be your aim) with me: ask and you shall receive.
Some conservatives are not going to win over centrists when they practice poor choices of leadership and deception on a massive scale. Facts matter!
Here's what I said.
I'm trying to figure out how what you've said fits into this or are you trying to have an unrelated discussion about something?
Are you trying to tell me not to be concerned with political stuff and just focus on God?
Lots of them...
The bottom line here, sadly. It all needs to end now!
Yes it is and it’s exactly right in this case
I can relate. As fellow Christians I often have no idea what he’s trying to tell me half the time or more.
As you are specifically aware being a Christian, God and faith are a continual loop and impregnated in body, mind, and spirit! So let us not belabor that point. It should not set us back on our heels or cause gnashing of our teeth. God is the 'apple' of our eye.
What I am courteously reminding you is this: in actuality, a true Believer in Jesus Christ can not afford the luxury of omissions or maligning good people. That is not as Jesus directed, "the better part."
Politically judge rightly, properly, fairly, and peacefully.
As far as centrists "winning" goes - a believer should not expediently win such people over to a deception, a lie, or harm.
I am sad all day long that Ashli Babitt was shot and killed based on an outright lie, which has no possibility of being proven. Subsequently, Donald Trump renounced the violent activities that day as not done in his name-making her decision to climb through a hole in a locked down Capitol doorway ridiculous. She is gone for no good reason.
To most on the left, "peacefully and patriotically" is a trigger phrase for "loot, burn and hate America".
Because most of them truly believe this, when Trump said it, that's what they were thinking.
That is to whose shame, fellow Christian? Christian State Of Mind is a group on NT. I challenge you to take a fraction of time from your normal "duties" here and to meet me there and let's talk Christianity and our shared faith for all its worth!
What can I relate to? A believer that honors the Word and getting an understanding besides.
Otherwise, I will humbly enter and share what the Lord loves as my spirit directs and NT permits.
I am not ashamed of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Obviously some conservatives are and thus they stand back in the darkness and will not enter the light!
See John 3:19-20.
Vic , what you are showing was later that night, when so many people had already said that Trump was responsible. He was trying to save his own ass at that point. His tweets while the riot was happening tell a different story as I showed.
Okay, I agree completely. Feel free to call me on it any time you see me doing it.
I agree again and strive to be truthful in what I say, but if you see something, feel free to comment.
So I was wrong. There were far leftist agitators at the Trump DC protest.
The left is guilty of what they always accuse the right of. But unlike their accusations- in which no charges are ever brought; this one is actually true. Somehow this left wing lunatic nut job's actions will be all Trump's fault as well.
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Prove it!
Also, it wasn't a protest, it was a mob insurrection led by the 'president' They were domestic terrorists, not protesters.
It has been proven. Didn't you read the article and the links I provided?
It helps if you actually READ the damn ARTICLE!!!
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Kamala and her cohorts probably bailed him out.
That's gone unmentioned in these parts - that our new vice president started a fund to bail out those violent protestors that did so much damage all summer.
Of those riots she said:
“And everyone beware, because they’re not gonna stop….
“They’re not gonna stop before election day in November, and they’re not gonna stop after election day.
“And that should be – everyone should take note of that.”
Harris continued:
“They’re not gonna let up. And they should not. And we should not.”
Why would I do that?
So true and sad.
As for him being "Identified with Black Lives Matter" there is a story in the Washington Post today:
He seems like a misguided individual to me. He committed crimes. Try him and lock him up. Just don't conflate the actions of the individuals with the actions of the many. I see this happen on this site over and over again.
C'mon, Vic. From the Associated Press :
Is that the one where the lying mainstream media kept saying he was "unarmed?"
I provided the link.
Here is the actual interview:
That's the narrative.
Well, it seems like at least one was there. I think we need to be careful about it, though. Even if there were ten of them, the people who stormed the place were still accountable for their actions. This doesn't take anything off of them concerning responsibility. There is no excuse for what happened that day. If we can't admit that, we're already losing. Unless we want to say that's what we now stand for, which I will never agree to.
I think we less concerned with defending ourselves from the accusations and mockery from the left than we should be about educating our fellows on the right on why this was so wrong. Of the two, the second is way more important. We need to be the rational ones. What happened at the Capital was no different than all the riots the right have been castigating over last summer. We can't have both sides engaging in the same violent behavior and thinking there's a difference because of ideology. There isn't.
Right now the left is using this thing to beat the crap out of the right. Trying to discuss what happened and why is pointless because all the left need do and is in fact doing, is just show video after video. No discussion needed. They're achieving their goals simply by showing the videos. But it gets a lot worse than that. They are creating whatever narrative they want, no matter how ridiculous it is, and it's selling like hotcakes. Doesn't matter whether it even makes sense, let alone whether it's true.
And it's all happening because a bunch of people, high on emotion and righteous indignation, figured they had a right to go on up to the Capital and have their way. The acted without thinking and a narcissistic ass hat, who's only goal for even being there was to have his ego stroked, sent them on their unthinking way, whether intentionally or unintentionally.
What we need right now is some leadership on the right that can stand up and credibly say "This isn't who we are", and then show us who we are. Someone to say what the goal is and the steps it will take to get there. And in no uncertain terms, establish that right wing extremists and supremacists are utterly rejected from joining us.
And we've got to divorce ourselves from Trump. Trump is not the right, a fact on which he, and others, is very confused. He thinks that he, his own person, is the embodiment and purpose of the right. He's not. He's simply a narcissist. He had a lot of good ideas that I was totally on board with but he went after them stupidly. Instead of building a coalition with which to oppose China he foolishly tried to do it all by himself. Rather than negotiate with NATO, he figured he could just dictate. Rather than work with Mexico on the border, he embarrassed them before ever taking office. So much he tried to do he did the same way. It was as if he thought the aura of his Trumpness was all that was necessary to achieve his goals.
The right does not, or should not stand for Trump. The right should stand for a professed system of values and virtues, demagoguery need not apply. We need a leader to put forth, not as the embodiment of these things, but as the servant of them.
Agreed.
AMEN!
We've been waiting four years for you to denounce Donald Trump. Got a date in mind yet?
Yeah, but I don't think we live in the same country they did, anymore. Not for a while, now. From my perspective, the left is attempting to shift what America is on a fundamental level. Put another way, what the left and right want are so fundamentally different that such cooperation is no longer possible except on the most mundane issues.
Why does it matter? Even if the right denounces Trump, it will not be for the reasons you think he should be denounced. It would not prove your case, although you guys would run that narrative anyway. The right should denounce Trump because he let his narcissism get in the way of doing the job he was sent there to do, not because his policies were wrong.
1968 Democratic National Convention - ring a bell???
No, I'm sorry. It doesn't. Could you explain?
I see many people say Trump should be president because he had good policies. Thats nice. Of course at least half the population objects to some or all of his policies.
Fitness for office has nothing to with "policies".
Is there a point to stating the obvious?
Possibly. Possibly not. In any case, whether or not Trump was fit for office, it was the only choice the right had. For whatever reason, the RNC didn't put forth a viable alternative. So, joe average voter on the right was left with the choice of voting for Trump or not voting at all and let the left have their way with the country. As it turns out, the left will have their way in our worst nightmares. I don't expect much that is good from them. In fact, I expect a move toward totalitarianism, not away from it. Hopefully I will be proven wrong.
Obviously you live in the past.
Someone here based an article on something that happened 57 years ago.
You're talking about something that happened 50 years ago.
So what?
What relevance do these things have to do with what's happening now?
Everything that happened at the Capitol on January 6th was due to this 'president' and his gangs of domestic terrorists who carried out an insurrection led by this 'president'. The 'left' have absolutely nothing to do with those events in any way, shape or form.
This would be incorrect. The left bears quite a lot of responsibility for this, just not directly. To be clear, the people who rioted at the Capital bear sole responsibility for their actions. Not even Trump can be blamed for that, since each person bears the responsibility for the choices they make. To blame Trump for this is to say the rioters were victims. They weren't.
The way the left bears responsibility for what happened on the 6th is the many false narratives they have pushed as truth on the public over the course of decades. I will deal with only the most recent. The easiest example would be Critical Race Theory, easily one of the most racist ideologies ever to exist, akin to Scientific Racism . Critical Race Theory ideology insists that to be white is to be racist and it cannot be escaped, avoided or denied. Any attempt to deny this is itself evidence of the correctness of critical race theory. This idea is explained in terms of laws and societal norms, establishing a system of injustice and inequality due to whiteness.
Another area the left bears responsibility is it's draconian pursuit to force compliance with it's ideology. One example of this is freedom of religious expression. The left has declared that employers have an obligation to pay for an employee's birth control, deeming it a reproductive health choice on par with treating ovarian cysts. Because this is so, they feel justified in forcing compliance to their decrees on such institutions as the Little Sisters of the Poor, who have deeply held religious objections to birth control. The center of this dispute is not, in fact, birth control, but rather whether the State can dictate conscience and force compliance.
Yet another area the left bear responsibility is human sexuality. They claim they are fighting for the freedom for individuals to be who they claim to be. Yet, their actions prove that what they are really after is the compulsory enforcement of acceptance by all of their particular worldview concerning these issues. Evidence of this is the recent adaptation of House rules forbidding reference to such entities as "fathers, sisters, sons" and so on, subsuming such things beneath elevating the status of their favored pronouns.
I could go on, but these examples suffice. It isn't so much the specifics of the three examples I have provided here that causes the left to bear responsibility for the 6th. It is their effort towards a totalitarian enforcement of them upon all of society. What happened on the 6th was due as much to this as much as anything else.
To be clear, this still doesn't excuse what happened. But, remember to what it is I am responding to:
That's a way I hadn't viewed that before. Interesting.
I tend to think the basis for any civilized society is individual responsibility. Regardless of what Trump said, they are responsible for their actions. Everyone is. It is why we were able to not accept "just following orders" as a legitimate defense at Nuremburg.
This is an extremely weak argument. 15 Republicans ran against Trump. Are you saying that none of Chris Christie, Rick Santorum, Mike Huckabee, Rand Paul, Scott Walker or John Kasich were for the interests of Joe Average voter ?
And anyway, what the hell has Trump done for Joe Average voter other than supposedly "make liberals cry" ? Trump has ONE major legislative achievement, a tax cut that wildly disproportionately benefited the wealthy. His other main achievement in four years was nominating three new justices to the Supreme Court. Not exactly the stuff to fire up the average Joe.
Other than that, Trump was an endless display of ranting, insults, incomprehensibility, lies, propaganda and confusion. And grievance. Trump is one big ball of grievance, an attitude he infused on a daily basis into his followers.
I was only eight years old then but I know that it was a dividing point in the democrat party that I grew up in that led to them moving away from a pro America party to an anti God and anti exceptional America party. Thus why I left it a little over a decade later.
John Kasich would have been an excellent choice but no, repubs had to go with the big mouth bully. The gop is now in shambles.
Yes, it is. That may not be totally bad, though. Maybe something better will arise from the ashes.
But if one doesn't read about it, well, that means it never happened!
I bet mainstream media will treat it like Cooper did.
So many will never hear the truth, and that means it can't possibly be true because they never heard of it.
Exhibit A -----> Blocking The NY Post's article about Hunter Biden until AFTER Biden won the election.
The podcast "Timcast" has some interesting conversation and information about this guy. You can find it here . Begins at 7:20 timestamp.
Jorge has a good thing going.
Thanks for that.
I would call this seed silly, but that would be redundant to 90% of the other things we see from certain sources on this site.
So they found someone at the riot who wasnt a white supremacist or Q Anon fruitcake or Oath Keeper. Oh Happy Day !
Using typical right wing disinformation ploys, they now want to suggest an "equivalence" of cause at the riot. There were 10,000 far right militants there (because Donald Trump asked them to be there) , but there was also one guy who seems to be from the left, who was there for some unexplained reason. Lordy Lordy, aint those two things the same ?
Uh, no.
Instead of saying they will abandon the worst president in American history, they double, triple and quadruple down defending him.
The clown evangelical preacher Franklin Graham said a day or two ago that the 10 Republicans who voted for impeachment were like Judas betraying Jesus the night before his death. I guess Trump is God now to the blasphemers.
PROVE IT
To some, everyone not shouting that they hate Trump are far right militants.
Meh.
You do have eyes dont you?
By the way Vic, there is an account where a police commander who was on the west terrace of the capitol praised the efforts of law enforcement at that location . He said they were able to hold back thousands of people who wanted to get into the building at that spot. He also said, probably correctly, that if those thousands had gotten in the outcome would have been much worse than it was.
That was dumb.
Accurate. It was accurate.
You just claimed that there were 10,000 "white supremacists" there!
PROVE IT!
JR seems to think that anyone supporting Trump at any time for anything is a white supremacist.
That is exactly what he and others are trying to do.
Actually this is what I said
There is police testimony that many thousands of people were trying to enter the building. As for them being "far right", if they weren't they wouldn't fucking be there trying to overthrow a legally and fairly decided election.
Where is the proof that any effort was made to steal the election from Trump? That asshole said that many different methods were used across many different states. He has no fucking idea what he is talking about, so he says, the dead voted, people crossed state lines to vote against me, someone in China added votes to Biden through Dominion software, workers hid votes under tables in boxes, criminals voted, voting machines were rigged to tally for Biden when the voter actually pushed the button for trump, votes were scanned (for Biden) multiple times, and on and on and on and on.
Trump threw the kitchen sink at the problem as he alleged the Democrats from the Arizona deserts to the Pennsylvania mountains had an organized plot to cheat HIM out of what was rightfully his.
Its fucking ridiculous on its face. But beyond that , every single governmental entity that looked into the charges said they had no merit. The courts all said they had no merit. The Supreme Court said they had no merit. All 50 states verified and certified their vote totals.
But what does Trump do? He tells 40,000 people to go to the Capitol building and fight like hell to get the vice president to overturn the election results.
I think tyrants have been hung for less throughout history.
Correct and you still can't prove that claim!
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HE HAS, TIME AND TIME AGAIN
Why? What does it say when you dismiss something simply because you don't like the source? Wouldn't it make more sense to research it first? As it turns out, the FBI is looking for this guy because not only was he there he was agitating as well.
You spend the rest of your post deflecting the topic of discussion with misinformation.
Now... let me first say that I think that the attack on the Capitol was asinine, completely uncalled for, and absolutely irresponsible. The other thing here is, I'm pretty sure that this guy was not the only one that was there from the left; that would be stupid of this organizer to go there alone; however, that is only an assumption on my part.
To me... what makes sense is a situation similar to what's being planned for the MI state Capitol building in the way that Michigan Militia members that had originally planned on going to the state capitol decided against it, because they learned that the "Proud Boys" were planning on doing the same. The Michigan Militia simply wanted to peacefully protest; however, they KNOW that the "Proud Boys" would NOT be peaceful. The MI Militia does NOT want to be associated to those thugs; therefore, decided to forego the protest altogether.
Yes... I know that the above photo is ironic... that is the point.
I'm not exactly sure what you are trying to say, but it is known that the driving force behind the capitol attack was from the political right.
I didn't say that the right wasn't the driving force.
I'm saying if this guy had any intelligence, he wouldn't have shown up in the first place.
And anyone in their right mind wouldn't if they thought for one second that it would turn ugly... and that's with ANY riot or attack.
This guy has already proven that he goes in looking for a fight and that he associates himself with really nasty people; I mean, I don't know about you, but I would never hang out with someone that shoots at a person while on their way to Home Depot.
"I'm not exactly sure what you are trying to say, but it is known that the driving force behind the capitol attack was from the political right"
How can anyone blame any of this on the left when it has been noted/documented/on video/in their own words - who they were and why they were there and what they were doing?
Yes, you are correct John and the 'left' have absolutely nothing to do with this mob siege on the Capitol led by tRump and more and more now it's being found that this was financed for and planned for along with/by the QANon folks in congress and others obviously. A lot of newly appointed or whatever you call it members on Capitol Hill.
Things that make you go hmmmmmm . . . . .
I didn't blame the left.
I wasn't referring to you. I was referring to those who are trying to claim that any of the violence and deaths and what happened at the Capitol was due to tRump and those he spurred on to do exactly what he wanted them to do. The 'left' have absolutely nothing to do with any of this insanity.
Except for John Sullivan.
Damn those left wing agitators!!!
They are everywhere.
This guy is an agitator: Someone who looks for where he can cause trouble. On this particular Wednesday, he probably thought that the most trouble he could cause was at the Capitol, egging on the protestors to do something stupid.
As Forest Gump said," Stupid is as Stupid Does."
Using some of the leftwing NT "logic" I've seen on display, the documented criminal activity of one far left rioter, means it's a lie to call the riot a right wing riot, and in fact, the riot should be blamed on far left agitators.
And if you ever want to prove the Capitol rights were left wing riots, just submit four links to the same arrest record from four different sources. It's four times more powerful that way!
If you say so.
This just in:
I believe that's what William F Buckley used to refer to as the Quid pro quo.
On some level, probably; however, it might be difficult to prove. The likely claim would be that Biden knows the like-mindedness of these individuals as well as their credentials and that's why he believes those are the best candidates for the positions.
IMO his appointments are part of the payoff of his vast debt to Sanders, Clyburn and others.
Again, the question is whether or not it could be proven... not whether it's possible or not.
It can't be proven, but clearly his sponsors must be happy.
More bad news:
Then there is this:
"The black security guard caught punching a pro-President Trump rioter outside the US Capitol — who was then publicly shamed by her teen daughter — said she’s been charged with assault over the caught-on-camera slug.
Ashanti Smith, 28, opened up about last Wednesday’s fracas, when MAGA enthusiasts descended on the nation’s capital, saying she punched Therese Duke in the face in self-defense."
Nope. There is a huge difference between all those who attended the rally and the few hundred who stormed the capitol, despite the lift's attempt to smear half the country.
They won’t be happy until they smear, cancel, and censor all of our half of the country.
Donald Trump instructed the rally goers to MARCH to the Capitol. Next, you make a proper distinction that many milled around outside (associated themselves loosely), but let's be clear the larger group was on the grounds pressed into the throngs. Keep pressing the clarification point, nevertheless.
It does not help the case of the abusers who used the group STRENGTH of numbers for their own sabotage and advantage. BTW, isn't this always the case nowadays, for chaos 'units' to mingle into all types of organizations to cause chaos?
If some conservatives are simply going to enter these rooms and be lop-sided opportunists, I will remind you that so-called, "cancel culture" from the conservative vein indulged itself on Colin Kaepernick and Nike (which made Colin its spokesman).
And let's reach back to the days of "freedom fries." In order to reimagine (cancel out) the "French fries."
Irony?
Most estimates of the crowd size place it in the thousands, though no one can be certain because aerial surveillance is not permitted on Capitol grounds, and there were several hundreds even thousands of those who breached the Capitol perimeter set up by the Capitol police and hundreds who actually made it inside.
But you try to diminish this number and then claim that the "Left" whomever that may be, is trying to associate that number with the rest of the supporters of the president, and then claim that "Half of the Country" supports Trump. 74 million people voted for Trump. That is not half the country.
Nor is 80 Million. It represents half the voters.
The FBI is interested in about 300 individuals
Well, actually, 81,283,485 people voted for Biden.
But that does not matter.
Thousands of people crossed the line. Hundreds got in the Capitol. All were breaking the law. Most of those people were of the fictitious belief that the election had been stolen from Trump. Millions of people fictitiously believe that the election was stolen from Trump. Trump lied about the results of the election for more than two months, enflamed supporters at rallies, told them to believe his lies. The presence of one person additionally egging them on was not influential compared to the lies that the President and his enablers have told to get them to the Capitol in the first place.
Truth, lies, and consequences.
Obviously it matters a lot to you. He got the better part of half the votes. No need to try and make it look and greater.
Hundreds got in the Capitol.
Some never made it:
"A self-described "hardcore leftist" was arrested Friday for allegedly issuing a call to arms online to recruit like-minded individuals to join him in violently confronting pro-Trump supporters expected to gather at the Florida state Capitol in Tallahassee on Sunday, just days before the presidential inauguration.
Daniel Alan Baker – an alleged Antifa supporter who participated in several anti-police protests last year around the country, including in Seattle’s CHOP/CHAZ zone – was arrested "without incident" by FBI agents early Friday with assistance from the Florida Department of Law Enforcement and the Tallahassee Police Department."
There's another one.
Really, Vic. No it does not. Not for the conversation we were having.
That is strictly for your benefit.
Another one what?
But they are leftists so they get a free pass from social media and the lamestream media.
Never try to take a cell phone from a black woman in uniform, it will not end well.
Are you talking about the security guard facing assault charges?
Yes. Ashanti Smith. Yes she is facing assault charges for breaking Theresa Duke's nose. Claiming self defense.
Not clear what Duke has been charged with. She was initially open carrying a beer and drunk and disorderly and assault.
While she was calling Smith n8888r & Antifa fascist, and other names,
Duke's family members tried to demask Smith and take her cell phone. That's when Anne Lorenz, who was
apparently trying to pick Smiths coat pockets "cracked" Smith in the back of the head.
The Duke men, at this point grabbed Smith and shoved her toward the police line which reacted by pepper spraying everyone. Duke & Lorenz continued to try to hit Smith until they were arrested.
Despite police initially telling Smith she was the victim of a hate crime, she was surprised to be arrested later that night.
Smith is on leave pending the outcome of the investigations.
Duke was fired by UMASS
Lorenz faces a simple assault charge and assault on a police officer.
"I was there to observe; I was there to see what they were going to do
As my father used to say..."You don't get in the ring with a bull just to get a closer look at him."
He should have been around to tell that to those who rioted all summer.
That’s for sure.
If he were still alive, he would have.