You have a right to be transgender. You don’t have a right to expose yourself to women.

  
Via:  XXJefferson51  •  2 weeks ago  •  141 comments

By:   Dennis Prager

You have a right to be transgender. You don’t have a right to expose yourself to women.
If anyone you care about defends a person's right to display their penis in front of a group of girls and women, my heart goes out to you. It is very painful to lose respect for a loved one. Within the lifetime of even the youngest person reading this column, exposing the male organ to strangers, especially women and girls, was considered sick and criminal. Men who did it were arrested and charged with indecent exposure, and rightly so.

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The degeneration of civil society brought to us by far left secularist democrats knows no bounds.  On every issue they seek the lowest possible moral ground.  Social issues are the worst.  People who love America need to stand up and resist the excesses of the worshippers of reason and logic.  A great creators article.  Was going to seed from one source then found it at Real Clear Politics.  


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You Have a Right to Be Transgender. You Don't Have a Right to Expose Yourself to Women.


How many examples could one give to show what a sick world left-wing activists, the media and the Democrats -- the left's political party -- have wrought? The number is equal to the number of policies they advocate.

There is no more obvious example than their position on the display of a penis in front of girls and women.

No issue -- with the possible exceptions of defunding police departments as murders increase and biological men competing in women's sports -- better reveals the moral and rational decline of an individual or institution. If anyone you care about defends a person's right to display their penis in front of a group of girls and women, my heart goes out to you. It is very painful to lose respect for a loved one.

Within the lifetime of even the youngest person reading this column, exposing the male organ to strangers, especially women and girls, was considered sick and criminal. Men who did it were arrested and charged with indecent exposure, and rightly so. In the span of a few years, thanks to the schools people still send their children to, and thanks to the media people still watch, listen to and read, exposing one's penis is to be considered wholesome and not only legal but a fundamental civil right.

A couple of weeks ago at a spa in Los Angeles, a biological man walked into a women's changing area completely naked. Needless to say, the girls and women were shocked to see this naked man, but thanks to progressive politicians in California, if a man says he is a woman, this individual can go to any place heretofore reserved to women. 

Women's colleges, for example, must accept anyone who claims to be a woman. But to show how intellectually dishonest progressives and women's colleges are, if a female student at a women's college decides she is a man, she/he is allowed to remain a student there. Either they do not believe that a girl who transitions to a male is really a male or they no longer believe they are a women's college.

A Los Angeles Times editorial defending the right of the biological man to expose his penis to girls and women illustrates the intellectual and moral state of the left.

Take, for example, this sentence from the editorial:

"There is no doubt that Wi Spa did the right thing in defending the right of a transgender customer to be nude in the women's area, even though the sight of male-appearing genitalia discomfited at least one female customer, who complained at the front desk." 

Note the Los Angeles Times' way of describing a penis: "male-appearing genitalia," not "male genitalia."

Regarding the discomfort of any of the girls or women at the spa, the Times editorial simply dismissed it: "No one has an absolute right to feel comfortable all the time." However, that is not the position of the Los Angeles Times or the rest of the left regarding transgender people. The left emphatically insists that trans people have an absolute right to feel comfortable all the time. 

But they don't. A man who identifies as a woman yet retains male genitalia may have a legal right, but not a moral right, to display those genitalia in front of women. 

A man who identifies as a man and exposes himself to a woman, let alone to a group of women and girls, is deemed sick and arrested. But, according to the left, a man who says he is a woman and does the exact same thing -- with the exact same disturbing effect on women, let alone girls -- is to be given universal support. In fact, however, this individual is the apotheosis of narcissism. And is still a man: As one woman pointed out to me, his engaging in such behavior is demonstrative proof that he is still a man (one with an exhibitionist streak). Women don't expose themselves like that.

Meanwhile, members of antifa, the closest thing America has to the Hitlerjugend (Hitler Youth), attacked the woman who led the demonstration against the Wi Spa. 

Such is the state of America and the West in the year 2021.

When the right of a man -- regardless of whether he identifies as a woman -- to expose his penis to girls supersedes society's obligation to protect girls' innocence and most women's sense of decency, we have reached a new low.

For those who believe that mankind inexorably heads in a moral direction, the left's attacks on Western culture, Western norms, freedom of speech, objective truth and Judeo-Christian values should serve as a disturbing wake-up call. 

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XXJefferson51
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1  seeder  XXJefferson51    2 weeks ago
A couple of weeks ago at a spa in Los Angeles, a biological man walked into a women's changing area completely naked. Needless to say, the girls and women were shocked to see this naked man, but thanks to progressive politicians in California, if a man says he is a woman, this individual can go to any place heretofore reserved to women. 

Women's colleges, for example, must accept anyone who claims to be a woman. But to show how intellectually dishonest progressives and women's colleges are, if a female student at a women's college decides she is a man, she/he is allowed to remain a student there. Either they do not believe that a girl who transitions to a male is really a male or they no longer believe they are a women's college.

A Los Angeles Times editorial defending the right of the biological man to expose his penis to girls and women illustrates the intellectual and moral state of the left.

Take, for example, this sentence from the editorial:

"There is no doubt that Wi Spa did the right thing in defending the right of a transgender customer to be nude in the women's area, even though the sight of male-appearing genitalia discomfited at least one female customer, who complained at the front desk." 

Note the Los Angeles Times' way of describing a penis: "male-appearing genitalia," not "male genitalia."

Regarding the discomfort of any of the girls or women at the spa, the Times editorial simply dismissed it: "No one has an absolute right to feel comfortable all the time." However, that is not the position of the Los Angeles Times or the rest of the left regarding transgender people. The left emphatically insists that trans people have an absolute right to feel comfortable all the time. 

But they don't. A man who identifies as a woman yet retains male genitalia may have a legal right, but not a moral right, to display those genitalia in front of women. 

A man who identifies as a man and exposes himself to a woman, let alone to a group of women and girls, is deemed sick and arrested. But, according to the left, a man who says he is a woman and does the exact same thing -- with the exact same disturbing effect on women, let alone girls -- is to be given universal support. In fact, however, this individual is the apotheosis of narcissism. And is still a man: As one woman pointed out to me, his engaging in such behavior is demonstrative proof that he is still a man (one with an exhibitionist streak). Women don't expose themselves like that.

Meanwhile, members of antifa, the closest thing America has to the Hitlerjugend (Hitler Youth), attacked the woman who led the demonstration against the Wi Spa. 

Such is the state of America and the West in the year 2021.

When the right of a man -- regardless of whether he identifies as a woman -- to expose his penis to girls supersedes society's obligation to protect girls' innocence and most women's sense of decency, we have reached a new low.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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1.1  Greg Jones  replied to  XXJefferson51 @1    2 weeks ago

From the  article:

"The degeneration of civil society brought to us by far left secularist democrats knows no bounds.  On every issue they seek the lowest possible moral ground"

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.1.1  Tessylo  replied to  Greg Jones @1.1    2 weeks ago

Which is the complete opposite of the truth.  

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.2  devangelical  replied to  XXJefferson51 @1    2 weeks ago

gee, I could have sworn that god created all living things and admonished his followers not to judge.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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1.2.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  devangelical @1.2    2 weeks ago

He made two and only two genders and created marriage only between one man and one woman exclusively of ALL other deviancies from those norms.  God gave clothes to Adam and Eve after the fall to sin.  

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.2.2  devangelical  replied to  XXJefferson51 @1.2.1    2 weeks ago

incredibly difficult to accept all of the production defects of an omnipotent god, isn't it?

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.2.3  Tessylo  replied to  XXJefferson51 @1.2.1    2 weeks ago

When did god create marriage?

He gave them clothes?  Yeah, looking at naked bodies is a sin.  jrSmiley_80_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka)
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2  MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka)    2 weeks ago
"No one has an absolute right to feel comfortable all the time."

I'll remember that when I'm open-carrying my .40 cal. Kahr and my 9mm Springfield XD9.

In Michigan, a person with a penis could be shot for walking around naked in a women's locker room or restroom.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka) @2    2 weeks ago

As they should be…

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
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2.1.1  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.1    2 weeks ago

What should have happened to a beauty pageant owner who would intentionally barge into the contestant's dressing room while the women were undressed?

 
 
 
MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka)
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2.1.2  MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka)  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @2.1.1    2 weeks ago

Shot

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.1.3  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @2.1.1    2 weeks ago

Did he expose his penis to them while there?  

 
 
 
devangelical
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2.1.4  devangelical  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.1.3    2 weeks ago

bfd. the entire country has been exposed to a penis on the nightly news for the last 5 years.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
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2.1.5  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.1.3    2 weeks ago

I would not be surprised if he did.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.1.6  Tessylo  replied to  devangelical @2.1.4    2 weeks ago

A GREAT BIG DICK WITH A REALLY LITTLE DICK.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.1.7  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @2.1.5    2 weeks ago

We’d all know about it if it did happen.  We can be certain that it did not in those cases.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.1.8  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Tessylo @2.1.6    2 weeks ago

Let’s not talk about democrat political leadership here…

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.1.9  Tessylo  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.1.8    2 weeks ago

You know I'm talking about trumpturd, also known as the Turd Reich.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.1.10  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Tessylo @2.1.9    2 weeks ago

We know that our resident fascist Biden does look and smell like Trumps fecal waste matter.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.1.11  Tessylo  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.1.10    2 weeks ago

No, trumpturd looks exactly like a steaming pile of shit

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.1.12  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Tessylo @2.1.11    2 weeks ago

Biden really is one of those 

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.2  Tessylo  replied to  MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka) @2    2 weeks ago

"A couple of weeks ago at a spa in Los Angeles, a biological man walked into a women's changing area completely naked. Needless to say, the girls and women were shocked to see this naked man, but thanks to progressive politicians in California, if a man says he is a woman, this individual can go to any place heretofore reserved to women"

Did this naked man say he was a woman?

 
 
 
MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka)
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2.2.1  MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka)  replied to  Tessylo @2.2    2 weeks ago

I don't know considering that I wasn't the one that did the research or post the article. I simply responded to what was available here.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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2.2.2  Greg Jones  replied to  Tessylo @2.2    2 weeks ago

What difference does that make?

Does this mean you support this kind of sick behavior?

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.2.3  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Tessylo @2.2    2 weeks ago

The spa in defending him and his presence there did say that he identified himself as a woman to them.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.2.4  Tessylo  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.2.3    2 weeks ago

Provide the truth of that.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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2.2.5  Texan1211  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.2.3    2 weeks ago
The spa in defending him and his presence there did say that he identified himself as a woman to them.  

Yes, I read that.

The spa basically has its hands tied--bow to transgenders, follow the ignorant law and expose their other customers to displays like this one, or deny services and be sued out of existence.

 
 
 
Sunshine
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2.2.6  Sunshine  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.2.3    2 weeks ago
The spa in defending him and his presence there did say that he identified himself as a woman to them.  

So any pervert can just say they identify as a woman and expose themselves to young girls?  

 
 
 
Tacos!
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2.2.7  Tacos!  replied to  Tessylo @2.2    2 weeks ago

I don’t think it is known. I read the LA Times piece and the person was never identified.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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2.2.8  Texan1211  replied to  Sunshine @2.2.6    2 weeks ago
So any pervert can just say they identify as a woman and expose themselves to young girls?  

Apparently in California, the answer is yes.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.2.9  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Sunshine @2.2.6    2 weeks ago

Sadly yes.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.2.10  Tessylo  replied to  Tacos! @2.2.7    2 weeks ago

According to this garbage 'article' the alleged transgender identified himself as a woman.  

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.3  JohnRussell  replied to  MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka) @2    2 weeks ago
In Michigan, a person with a penis could be shot for walking around naked in a women's locker room or restroom.

Not legally I hope. I dont think indecent exposure is a capital offense in the U.S. yet. 

 
 
 
MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka)
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2.3.1  MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka)  replied to  JohnRussell @2.3    2 weeks ago

I said COULD BE. I didn't say legally.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.3.2  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka) @2.3.1    2 weeks ago

I’d say SHOULD BE. I could wish it was legal.  

 
 
 
devangelical
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2.3.4  devangelical  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.3.2    2 weeks ago

I feel the same way about violators of the establishment clause.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.3.5  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  devangelical @2.3.4    2 weeks ago

A wish you will never see fulfilled 

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.3.6  Tessylo  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.3.2    2 weeks ago

So you wish you could shoot people for exposing themselves? 

Very Christ like of you

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.3.7  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Tessylo @2.3.6    2 weeks ago

If they do it in front of under age girls, you bet. Not fatally of course but a bb to the pee pee or the backside near where the good Lord split them would be good.  

 
 
 
devangelical
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2.4  devangelical  replied to  MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka) @2    2 weeks ago
I'll remember that when I'm open-carrying my .40 cal. Kahr and my 9mm Springfield XD9.

he won't be able to hand it over.

 
 
 
MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka)
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2.4.1  MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka)  replied to  devangelical @2.4    2 weeks ago

What? Who won't be able to hand over what?

 
 
 
Tessylo
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3  Tessylo    2 weeks ago

What a bunch of garbage this 'article' is.  Blaming the left for a naked guy walking in on girls and women.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Tessylo @3    2 weeks ago

No other ideology advanced this kind of moral deviance.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
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3.1.1  Tessylo  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.1    2 weeks ago

What moral deviance?

 
 
 
devangelical
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3.1.2  devangelical  replied to  Tessylo @3.1.1    2 weeks ago

you know, that stuff that usually happens in some evangelical church basements...

 
 
 
Tessylo
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3.1.3  Tessylo  replied to  devangelical @3.1.2    2 weeks ago

They turn a blind eye to their 'moral deviance'

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.1.4  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Tessylo @3.1.1    2 weeks ago

Really?  You see nothing wrong with this?  

 
 
 
Tessylo
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3.1.5  Tessylo  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.1.4    2 weeks ago

Where did I say that?

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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3.2  Greg Jones  replied to  Tessylo @3    2 weeks ago

Well, it sure isn't the right wingers aiding and abetting and supporting these psychopathic sickos

 
 
 
evilgenius
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4  evilgenius    2 weeks ago

Prager seems triggered again. One of his friends should reach out to him and explain what transgender means and how one goes about it. Or perhaps just put him on meds. He seems overly anxious about other people's penises. 

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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4.1  Greg Jones  replied to  evilgenius @4    2 weeks ago

You really think this kind of indecent behavior is acceptable?

This is not a normal behavior, transgender or not

 
 
 
Tessylo
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4.1.1  Tessylo  replied to  Greg Jones @4.1    2 weeks ago

Who said a man exposing his penis to women was acceptable?

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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4.1.12  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Tessylo @4.1.1    2 weeks ago

See 3.1.1

 
 
 
Tessylo
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4.1.13  Tessylo  replied to  XXJefferson51 @4.1.12    2 weeks ago

Stop lying XX

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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4.1.14  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Tessylo @4.1.13    2 weeks ago

I’m not doing that here.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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4.2  Tessylo  replied to  evilgenius @4    2 weeks ago

Yeah, what is this obsession with the 'right' and penises?  It's not healthy.  It's immoral.  It's perverse.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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4.2.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Tessylo @4.2    2 weeks ago

No, the immoral perversion is the LGBTQ community and their advocacy for allowing this and unleashing Antifa against the women objecting to the invasion of their locker room.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
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4.2.2  Tessylo  replied to  XXJefferson51 @4.2.1    2 weeks ago

The LGBTQ community is not immoral or perverse.  

What the fuck does Anti-fa have to do with this?

Again, this 'article' is complete garbage - it's all over the place with nonsense - LGBTQ and anti-fa?

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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4.2.3  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Tessylo @4.2.2    2 weeks ago

If you’d read the article, you’d know exactly what Antifa did related to this issue.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
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4.2.4  Tessylo  replied to  XXJefferson51 @4.2.3    2 weeks ago

A complete waste of time - LEFT RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL THE EVILS IN THE WORLD - 'RIGHT' GOOD.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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4.2.5  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Tessylo @4.2.4    2 weeks ago
LEFT RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL THE EVILS IN THE WORLD - 'RIGHT' GOOD.

that pretty much sums up the realities of this country right now.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
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4.2.6  Tessylo  replied to  XXJefferson51 @4.2.5    2 weeks ago

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MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka)
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4.3  MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka)  replied to  evilgenius @4    2 weeks ago

Yes, because it's only Prager's trigger.

Banned Bud Light commercial because of nudity / suggestions of nudity, meaning no one actually sees a penis, vagina, or breasts:

My point being is that it's okay to ban a commercial for perceived nudity, but it's not okay that someone is pissed about a bio-male walking around naked in the presence of women and girls because they identify as a woman... where said women and girls actually see a penis and testicles. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
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4.3.1  Tessylo  replied to  MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka) @4.3    2 weeks ago

Who says they're okay with an alleged transgender exposing themselves to women and girls?  

 
 
 
Texan1211
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4.3.2  Texan1211  replied to  MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka) @4.3    2 weeks ago

California law says it is okay for transgenders to expose themselves in ladies' locker rooms.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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4.3.3  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Tessylo @4.3.1    2 weeks ago

The state of Californication 

 
 
 
evilgenius
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4.3.4  evilgenius  replied to  MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka) @4.3    2 weeks ago
My point being is that it's okay to ban a commercial for perceived nudity

Who banned it? 

but it's not okay that someone is pissed about a bio-male walking around naked in the presence of women and girls because they identify as a woman...

Who here is saying it's okay? WHAT I SAID was that transitioning isn't what Prager is telling us here. Just saying one identify as whatever doesn't make that person trans. It seems to be a prevailing idea among the anti-trans that this is a big issue. The only people I've heard of doing this were 2 or 3 straight anti-trans people pissed about bathroom bills a few years ago, trying to prove something. I believe they were arrested. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
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4.3.5  Tessylo  replied to  evilgenius @4.3.4    2 weeks ago
"Who here is saying it's okay?"

NO ONE IS.

 
 
 
MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka)
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4.3.6  MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka)  replied to  evilgenius @4.3.4    2 weeks ago

512

I always thought of transgender as someone getting ready to take the plunge into transsexual, but today's definition states otherwise.

 
 
 
evilgenius
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4.3.7  evilgenius  replied to  MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka) @4.3.6    2 weeks ago

The definition you posted is technically correct, but so basic as be negligent unless the reader takes in the whole part of "sense of personal identity" part. It's way more than stating one identifies as the opposite of their birth gender. Prager would have you believing that millions of horny liberals are parading around naked trolling for sex while claiming to identify as trans and congratulating themselves on fooling everyone. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
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4.3.8  Tessylo  replied to  evilgenius @4.3.7    2 weeks ago

Yes that definition is far too simplistic.  

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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4.3.9  1stwarrior  replied to  evilgenius @4.3.7    2 weeks ago

512

 
 
 
MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka)
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4.3.10  MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka)  replied to  evilgenius @4.3.7    2 weeks ago

I cannot believe I need to do this...

Is this a better definition?

What does it mean to be transgender?

Transgender people are people whose gender identity is different from the gender they were thought to be at birth. “Trans” is often used as shorthand for transgender.

When we're born, a doctor usually says that we're male or female based on what our bodies look like. Most people who were labeled male at birth turn out to actually identify as men, and most people who were labeled female at birth grow up to be women. But some people's gender identity – their innate knowledge of who they are – is different from what was initially expected when they were born. Most of these people describe themselves as transgender .

A transgender woman lives as a woman today, but was thought to be male when she was born. A transgender man lives as a man today, but was thought to be female when he was born. Some transgender people identify as neither male nor female, or as a combination of male and female. There are a variety of terms that people who aren't entirely male or entirely female use to describe their gender identity, like non-binary or genderqueer .

(Note: NCTE uses both the adjectives “male” and “female” and the nouns “man” and “woman” to refer to a person’s gender identity.)

Everyone—transgender or not—has a gender identity. Most people never think about what their gender identity is because it matches their sex at birth.

Being transgender means different things to different people. Like a lot of other aspects of who people are, like race or religion, there's no one way to be transgender, and no one way for transgender people to look or feel about themselves. The best way to understand what being transgender is like is to talk with transgender people and listen to their stories.

... Being transgender, meanwhile, has to do with your internal knowledge of your gender identity . A transgender person is usually born with a body and genes that match a typical male or female, but they know their gender identity to be different.

I don't see how this is any clearer, but that's from a trans-equality site. Are businesses expected to ask and hear stories before allowing a person to go into a locker room?

 
 
 
evilgenius
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4.3.11  evilgenius  replied to  MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka) @4.3.10    2 weeks ago
I cannot believe I need to do this...

You really don't.

Are businesses expected to ask and hear stories before allowing a person to go into a locker room?

Are we supposed to believe that there is an issue that needs addressing? From my LGBTQ friends the only issue is the bigoted bullshit propaganda put out by the likes of Prager.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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4.3.12  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  evilgenius @4.3.11    2 weeks ago

So you think it’s ok for a man saying he’s a female to parade around naked exposing his junk to women and girls in the shower/ locker/bathroom of any facility?  

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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4.3.13  Greg Jones  replied to  evilgenius @4.3.11    2 weeks ago

It's a growing issue that needs to be addressed.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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5  Texan1211    2 weeks ago

The people of California who elected these so-called "leaders" who passed that law are just getting what they voted for.

Idiots all.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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5.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Texan1211 @5    2 weeks ago

That they are.  And now women prisoners are getting raped by male prisoners transferred to their prisons after identifying as women.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
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5.1.1  Tessylo  replied to  XXJefferson51 @5.1    2 weeks ago

Prove it!

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
5.1.2  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Tessylo @5.1.1    2 weeks ago

Ok.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
6  Texan1211    2 weeks ago

This is the type of incident we should become accustomed to, particularly in states still having difficulty determining who is a male and who isn't.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
7  Tessylo    2 weeks ago

I've wasted far too much time on this garbage.  This shouldn't be on the front page of NT.  Complete trash.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
7.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Tessylo @7    2 weeks ago

Thank you for your input.  

 
 
 
MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka)
Sophomore Principal
8  MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka)    2 weeks ago

If anyone cares to read the Unruh factsheet that prompted this issue:

The language of the Unruh Civil Rights Act specifically outlaws discrimination in housing and public accommodations based on sex, race, color, religion, ancestry, national origin, disability, medical condition, genetic information, marital status, sexual orientation, citizenship, primary language, or immigration status. However, the California Supreme Court has held that protections under the Unruh Act are not necessarily restricted to these characteristics.

More articles regarding the subject matter posted here:

and one that points to it possibly being faked -

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
9  Ender    2 weeks ago
In the span of a few years, thanks to the schools people still send their children to, and thanks to the media people still watch, listen to and read, exposing one's penis is to be considered wholesome and not only legal but a fundamental civil right

Stopped reading his bullshit right there.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
9.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Ender @9    2 weeks ago

Too close for comfort to the secular progressive left Being called out on the effects of their ideas?

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
9.1.1  Ender  replied to  XXJefferson51 @9.1    2 weeks ago

I can only call bullshit bullshit so many times.

The only thing this guy ever gets close to is his own hand.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
9.1.2  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Ender @9.1.1    2 weeks ago

Are you denying that the spa incident reported widely in the news that was the basis of his article ever happened? 

 
 
 
devangelical
PhD Principal
9.1.3  devangelical  replied to  XXJefferson51 @9.1.2    2 weeks ago

next thing you know, he'll be joining NT and publishing religious seeds, every day... /s

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
9.1.4  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  devangelical @9.1.3    2 weeks ago

Dennis Prager joining NewsTalkers would be awesome!  

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
10  Tessylo    2 weeks ago

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Tessylo
Professor Principal
10.1  Tessylo  replied to  Tessylo @10    2 weeks ago

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Hal A. Lujah
Professor Expert
11  Hal A. Lujah    2 weeks ago

The world is burning and flooding at record levels due to climate change, but penises!!!!!

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
12  Ender    2 weeks ago

I don't get why people are so terrified of the human body.

OMG I saw a boob! .. So what.

OMG I saw someone's ass  .. So what.

If people would stop acting like simpleton puritans and stop acting like a body is something to be ashamed of we would be a lot better off.

Oh dear, I saw a penis .. So what...

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
Professor Expert
12.1  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  Ender @12    2 weeks ago

Meanwhile Jeff Bezos launches himself into space in a giant dildo and it’s on every tv screen in the US.

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
12.1.1  Ender  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @12.1    2 weeks ago

That is exactly what it looked like.

Jon Stewart has a new vid out, I saw it on twitter. It was all about these billionaires wagging their dicks around and all shooting their rockets into space. It was hilarious. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
12.2  Tessylo  replied to  Ender @12    2 weeks ago

If they want to talk about moral deviants and penises, why hasn't anyone brought up Lauren Boebert's (whackjob gqp) husband exposing his penis in a bowling alley to a group of women and girls?

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
12.2.1  Ender  replied to  Tessylo @12.2    2 weeks ago

I didn't hear that one.

 
 
 
evilgenius
Professor Participates
12.2.2  evilgenius  replied to  Ender @12.2.1    2 weeks ago

I can't confirm the truth of it, but this alleged arrest record was published on some blog page (which makes it suspect on the surface) back in October of last year. The incident was alleged to have happened back in 2004.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
12.2.3  Tessylo  replied to  Ender @12.2.1    2 weeks ago

It's true.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
12.2.4  Tessylo  replied to  Ender @12.2.1    2 weeks ago

It turns out it was actually only two women but they both have a rap sheet.

"Rep. Lauren Boebert, the  gun-toting  freshman Republican Colorado congresswoman who ran on a law-and-order platform, has had several dust-ups with police, starting as a teenager."

Here's just one small part

Boebert’s future husband, Jayson, also had brushes with law enforcement. In January 2004, he was arrested after allegedly   exposing his penis   to two women at a bowling alley, according to an arrest affidavit. Lauren Boebert (then age 17 and known as Lauren Opal Roberts) was also there. Jayson Boebert pleaded guilty to public indecency and lewd exposure, earning himself four days in jail and two years’ probation.

In February 2004, he was booked on a   domestic violence charge , against Lauren Boebert. He “did unlawfully strike, shove or kick … and subjected her to physical contact,” a spokesman for the Garfield associate county court clerk told The Post. They had been dating at the time.

Jayson Boebert ultimately served seven days in jail. The busts were first unearthed by Colorado blogger   Anne Landman .

Lauren Boebert took her revenge in May 2004 during an altercation with Jayson at his home in which she scratched his face and chest and trashed his residence, according to a police report. She was slapped with third-degree assault, criminal mischief and underage drinking charges. A rep for the Garfield County Combined Court said they could not reveal any information about the case’s final disposition.

The Boeberts married in 2005, and have four children.

Gee, a match made in Heaven!

These two scumbags really deserve each other.  

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
12.2.5  JBB  replied to  Tessylo @12.2.4    2 weeks ago

In Bobert's defense, she did finally get a GED!

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
12.2.6  Ender  replied to  Tessylo @12.2.4    2 weeks ago

A match made in hell...

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
12.2.7  Tessylo  replied to  Tessylo @12.2.4    2 weeks ago

XX you have my permission to shoot Boebert's husband for exposing his penis

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
12.2.8  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  evilgenius @12.2.2    2 weeks ago

Since she’s 33 or 34 if he’s a similar age depending on the time of the year would have been 15-17 at the time if it did happen.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
12.2.9  Tessylo  replied to  XXJefferson51 @12.2.8    2 weeks ago

So?

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
12.2.10  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Tessylo @12.2.4    2 weeks ago

So they got off to a bad start but as adults have a successful marriage, family, and career.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
12.2.11  Tessylo  replied to  XXJefferson51 @12.2.10    2 weeks ago

He's a domestic batterer.  He beat her then, he beats her now.  Scum like him don't change

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
12.2.12  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Tessylo @12.2.11    2 weeks ago

You have proof of that? Her being a Congress woman constantly I. The public eye would make such abuse very difficult to conceal.  

 
 
 
MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka)
Sophomore Principal
12.3  MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka)  replied to  Ender @12    2 weeks ago

I agree with your sentiment. Nudity has never bothered me. However, laws should be followed.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
12.3.1  Tessylo  replied to  MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka) @12.3    2 weeks ago

Of course laws should be followed if someone exposes themselves to anyone in public, or private, if uninvited

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
12.3.2  Ender  replied to  MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka) @12.3    2 weeks ago

I just don't believe a lot of the bullshit. For all I know the guy could have been a plant and did it on purpose to start some kind of culture war.

From what I have seen and heard, a lot of trans people go to great lengths to hide their genitalia. I could not see them intentionally wagging things around.

 
 
 
MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka)
Sophomore Principal
12.3.3  MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka)  replied to  Ender @12.3.2    2 weeks ago

I'm not arguing that part of it whatsoever. That's why I included that article link showing that it may be a falsified story.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
12.3.4  Tessylo  replied to  Ender @12.3.2    2 weeks ago

I agree - with all the hatred and discrimination they face on a daily basis for just being who they are - it would make no sense for them to do something like this - they wouldn't do this.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
12.3.5  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka) @12.3.3    2 weeks ago

The one thing that can be false here is the mans claim to ID as a woman.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
12.3.6  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Tessylo @12.3.4    2 weeks ago

Like a gay person just wouldn’t do something like go to a known Christian florist, baker, photographer, stenographer, caterer, or planner and impose upon them demanding they act in violation of their religious beliefs.  It would make no sense to do something like that with all the other alternatives-they wouldn’t do this. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
12.3.7  Tessylo  replied to  XXJefferson51 @12.3.6    2 weeks ago

Nonsense

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
12.3.8  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Tessylo @12.3.7    2 weeks ago
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7 Tessylo   6 hours ago

I've wasted far too much time on this garbage.  This shouldn't be on the front page of NT.  Complete trash.

 
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12.3.7 Tessylo replied to  XXJefferson51 @ 12.3.6   19 minutes ago

Nonsense

 
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someone changed their mind.
 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
12.3.9  Tessylo  replied to  XXJefferson51 @12.3.8    2 weeks ago

Why are you re-posting this?  That's a violation of the CoC.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
12.3.10  Tessylo  replied to  XXJefferson51 @12.3.6    2 weeks ago

Those persons who denied these gay folks are bigots, PLAIN AND SIMPLE.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
12.3.12  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Tessylo @12.3.9    2 weeks ago

No, it’s not.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
12.3.13  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Tessylo @12.3.10    2 weeks ago

They don’t deny gay customers their products. They serve gays in their businesses. They simply refuse to be made to create something new, an expression that violates their religious beliefs.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
12.3.14  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Tessylo @12.3.7    2 weeks ago

Nope, absolute truth….

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
12.4  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Ender @12    2 weeks ago

So if your wife and 8-14 year old daughter went to the gym and while changing back into street clothes after the workout, a naked man walked around in the room a few feet away from them with his junk clearly visible to them it would be “so what”?  

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
12.4.1  Tessylo  replied to  XXJefferson51 @12.4    2 weeks ago

Stop making up these absurd scenarios.  Where did anyone say they wouldn't have a problem with anyone exposing their penis?

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
12.4.2  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Tessylo @12.4.1    2 weeks ago

Really?  That’s what the seeded story is all about.  People did have a problem with it but antifa was there to defend the exhibitionist and intimidate the women who complained about him

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
12.4.4  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Tessylo @12.4.1    2 weeks ago

That’s what the whole seed is all about.  Women and girls being upset that they were coerced into seeing a man and his junk in their changing room.  

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
Professor Expert
13  Hal A. Lujah    2 weeks ago

I’m guessing that I may be the only one on this forum that has a trans family member.  These discussions are offensively stupid so I generally don’t jump in and take a strong position.  Fact is, I don’t understand it, my family struggles with trying to consciously call a family member by a different name than they have been going by their whole life, we struggle to refer to them as the opposite gender than they have been known as their whole life - but all we want is for them to be happy.  It would be nice if those who wear a religious badge on their sleeve here were simply more interested in the happiness of their fellow human beings, rather than branding them as outcasts because they don’t understand the same things that I don’t understand.

 
 
 
MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka)
Sophomore Principal
13.1  MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka)  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @13    2 weeks ago

You're not the only person here with a transgender family member. My cousin Morgan (formerly Lauren) is and quite frankly, no one seems to fully understand what happened in the last year that motivated them (uses them/they pronoun) to change their name and declare non-binary. 

This article is something different however. The person referenced in the article exposed themselves to a woman and her underage daughter. Whether or not this person truly believes they are transgender or if the referenced person is just a perv and trying to find a loophole. I'm not here to debate that, because I don't really know. I am not a religious person. I don't have a personal problem with nudity. However... if my teen daughter and I were in a salon / spa and saw someone with cock and balls swinging, I'd be pretty pissed off; especially after finding out that the salon / spa allowed it based solely on the person exposing their self told them that they were transgender (M to F)... not transsexual [I know a few of those too], but simply claiming they are transgender.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
13.1.1  Tessylo  replied to  MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka) @13.1    2 weeks ago

No one needs to fully understand why - just accept them (I'm sure you do).

I don't know why you're going on and on about this alleged transgender or whatever - obviously anyone exposing themselves to anyone else uninvited is wrong and they should be arrested and charged.  Who wouldn't be pissed off - whatever they claimed they were?  Who says anyone allowed it regardless of what the person said they were?

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
Professor Expert
13.1.2  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka) @13.1    2 weeks ago

There’s no getting around the fact that this case is clearly an outlier in the ocean of currently transgender reality we are all immersed in.  Conservatives like to pretend that this case is the new norm - it clearly is not.

Like I said, I don’t get why anyone would want to subject themselves to this potential for prejudice and abuse, but that’s not for me to judge.  It still subconsciously makes me cringe a little when I see it.  I just got back from vacation, and when we checked in at the hotel I heard a booming male voice on the phone behind the counter.  When I looked, the clerk next to the clerk serving us was on the phone, dressed as a female complete with hair, nails, and makeup.  It was hard not to think how weird it was for this hotel to put that person in a position where they were the first and last employee that customers encounter.  Still, to each their own I say.  I hope they are happy with themselves.

 
 
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