Democrats see Trump supporters, unvaccinated as bigger threat than Taliban, China: new poll

  
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Democrats see Trump supporters, unvaccinated as bigger threat than Taliban, China: new poll
A majority of Democratic voters believe that supporters of former President Trump and unvaccinated Americans pose a bigger threat to the nation than the Taliban or China, according to a new Scott Rasmussen poll. Among Democrats, 57% believe that Trump supporters are a serious threat to the nation, and 56% believe the same about unvaccinated individuals.

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Democrats are going to be the cause of and creators of the Orwellian dystopia that comes to America if they remain in power at the federal level.  Their voters, fools that they are unlike the rest of America see other Americans as the biggest threat to America rather than major foreign threats like terrorism/Taliban, China, Russia.  


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Democrats see Trump supporters, unvaccinated as bigger threat than Taliban, China: new poll


A new Scott Rasmussen poll illuminates how various voting groups understand the threats that face America.


A majority of Democratic voters believe that supporters of former President Trump and unvaccinated Americans pose a bigger threat to the nation than the Taliban or China, according to a new Scott Rasmussen poll .

Among Democrats, 57% believe that Trump supporters are a serious threat to the nation, and 56% believe the same about unvaccinated individuals.

By comparison, only 44% see the Taliban and China as a serious threat, and just 37% see Russia as a serious threat. Among Democrats, 20% see illegal immigrants as a serious threat, and 24% think the same of "Defund the Police" activists.

The corresponding numbers for Republicans and independents look much different.

Among GOP voters, 66% view the Taliban as the top concern right now, 62% feel the Defund activists pose a serious threat, and 58% believe China poses a national security threat. 

The same three issues are what independents view as most important, though in a slightly different order. Among these swing voters, the Taliban remains the biggest threat (46%), followed by China (45%), then Defund activists (36%). 

Whereas a majority of Democrats believe Trump supporters are the biggest threat facing the U.S., 42% of voters see them as no threat at all. 


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XXJefferson51
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1  seeder  XXJefferson51    one week ago
Democrats believe Trump supporters are a more serious threat to America than the Taliban, China or Russia, according to a new poll by Scott Rasmussen.

The poll found that 57% of Democratic registered voters believe supporters of former President Donald Trump are a “serious threat to the nation.” That compares to just 44% for the Taliban, 44% for China and 37% for Russia.

Republicans, by contrast, considered the Taliban to be the biggest threat, with 66% saying they are a serious threat. The Taliban were followed by “Defund the Police activists” at 62% and 58% for China .

Independents surveyed held the same top three concerns as Republicans, with the Taliban topping the list followed by China then Defund the Police activists. (RELATED: Outgoing FDA Leaders Break With Biden, Say COVID-19 Vaccines Don’t Need Boosters In New Letter)

Democrats’ second biggest concern was unvaccinated Americans. 56% of Democrats said they posed a serious threat to the country. President Joe Biden announced last week the Department of Labor would begin requiring businesses of 100 or more employees to mandate vaccinations against COVID-19 or submit to weekly testing.

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Gsquared
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2  Gsquared    one week ago
42% of voters see them as no threat at all

Which would seem to indicate that the majority of voters do see Trump supporters as either a threat, or the biggest threat to America today.  That sounds about right.

 
 
 
Gordy327
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2.1  Gordy327  replied to  Gsquared @2    one week ago

I tend to agree.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.2  Tessylo  replied to  Gsquared @2    one week ago

I agree.  I see them as our biggest threat.  No doubt about it whatsoever.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.2.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Tessylo @2.2    one week ago

A house divided can not stand.  America’s external enemies will exploit the divisive divisions caused by democrats.  Notice that independents polled similarly to the GOP not to the democrats on these matters.  

 
 
 
Gsquared
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2.2.2  Gsquared  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.2.1    one week ago

Obviously, those screaming about their hatred of  "bicoastal secular urban progressive elites" and similar idiocy are the cause of the greatest division in America today.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.2.3  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Gsquared @2.2.2    one week ago

That was in response to the absolute sheer condescending arrogance coming from the bi coastal secular progressive elites mocking fly over country and the heartland and the people the coastal people thought they left behind and were superior to. Remember bitter clingers trying to get back things that were lost or hold on to what they had, as well as to God and their guns? Then the comment about how our jobs and life style were never coming back?  Then the deplorables and then the chumps.  The coastal people’s condescension and arrogance toward us has not and will not be forgotten and neither will the fact that Trump made our lives a lot better during his time as President.  

 
 
 
Gsquared
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2.2.4  Gsquared  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.2.3    one week ago

Not only is Comment 2 2 3 complete and utter nonsense, it is yet another example of right-wing extremist propaganda playing up false claims of victimhood.  Bullshit like that might convince the gullible and feeble-minded, but normal, thinking people, of course, recognize it for the weak and pathetic propaganda it is and reject it out-of-hand.

As for Trump supposedly improving anyone's lives, other than the benefits he and his republican cronies bestowed on the billionaire class, nothing could be further from the truth.  Everyone knows it, and you know it, too.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.2.5  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Gsquared @2.2.4    one week ago

It was the working and middle classes that most benefitted from the Trump years.  Record low unemployment, real increases in wages for the first time since the Reagan years, plentiful energy supply, stable commodity and product prices, lots of high wage blue collar jobs.  These benefits spread out to virtually everyone in heartland America. Trump found the magic wand Obama lost.  
As to the differences between the coasts and the heartland, they are very real and aren’t going to go away anytime soon.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.2.6  Tessylo  replied to  Gsquared @2.2.2    one week ago
"Obviously, those screaming about their hatred of  "bicoastal secular urban progressive elites" and similar idiocy are the cause of the greatest division in America today."

They certainly are.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.2.7  Tessylo  replied to  Gsquared @2.2.4    one week ago
"As for Trump supposedly improving anyone's lives, other than the benefits he and his republican cronies bestowed on the billionaire class, nothing could be further from the truth.  Everyone knows it, and you know it, too.  "

So true!  Whatshisname did nothing for anyone but himself and his 'donors' who paid for their positions in his criminal enterprise of an administration.  

 
 
 
Wheel
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2.2.8  Wheel  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.2.5    one week ago

700K dead people...

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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2.2.9  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Wheel @2.2.8    one week ago

Hey Wheel, good to see you!!!

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.2.10  Tessylo  replied to  Wheel @2.2.8    one week ago

"700K dead people..."

And counting, thanks to the agnorance of the anti-maskers and anti-vaxxers (a new word I learned somewhere - ignorance combined with arrogance).  

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XXJefferson51
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2.2.11  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Wheel @2.2.8    one week ago

Thanks to China.  300k since Biden  became President after the Trump vaccine came out. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.2.12  Tessylo  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.2.11    one week ago

NO such thing as the whatshisname vaccine.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.2.13  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Tessylo @2.2.10    one week ago

There is the greatest vaccine hesitation among majority democrat populations. Why hasn’t dear leader uncle Joe persuaded them to get he jab?  

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.2.14  Tessylo  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.2.13    one week ago

Another lie.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.2.15  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Tessylo @2.2.14    one week ago

Are you going to deny that vaccine hesitancy is higher as a percentage of their population among African Americans and Hispanics than among white conservatives?  

 
 
 
Texan1211
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2.2.16  Texan1211  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.2.15    one week ago

Denial, deflection, and projection are all some have.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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2.2.17  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.2.13    one week ago

Since you KNOW that the cases after the vaccination was available still flourished, it is hypocritical to blame China for that. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.2.18  Tessylo  replied to  Texan1211 @2.2.16    one week ago

Not worth a penny.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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2.2.19  Texan1211  replied to  Tessylo @2.2.18    one week ago

,Denial, deflection, and projection are all some have ..

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.2.20  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Texan1211 @2.2.19    one week ago

The tools of the secular progressive left.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.2.21  Tessylo  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.2.1    one week ago

The 'house is divided' by folks such as yourself.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.2.22  Tessylo  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.2.20    one week ago

Nope those are the tools of the trumpturd supporters and the 'right' alt-'right'.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.2.23  Tessylo  replied to  Gsquared @2.2.2    one week ago
"Obviously, those screaming about their hatred of  "bicoastal secular urban progressive elites" and similar idiocy are the cause of the greatest division in America today."

So true - such obvious projection, deflection, and denial.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.2.24  Tessylo  replied to  Gsquared @2.2.4    one week ago

They cling to their bibles, guns, and ignorance.  

 
 
 
Gordy327
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2.2.25  Gordy327  replied to  Tessylo @2.2.24    one week ago

Especially the ignorance. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.2.26  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Tessylo @2.2.12    5 days ago

Some other President led the government effort with business to create a vaccine for China virus?  Did Biden develop one? No. It’s the Trump vaccine. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.2.27  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Tessylo @2.2.14    5 days ago

Really? Prove it!  Put up or ….

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.2.28  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Tessylo @2.2.24    5 days ago

We will forever cling bitterly to our Bibles and our guns.  We will be deplorables with pride.  We are not only right, we are exceptional and awesomely intelligent.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.2.29  Tessylo  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.2.27    5 days ago

No, you need to disprove.  The truth is out there which has been provided to you and ignored.

You need to put up or shut up.  

Also there is no such thing as the whatshisname vaccine

 
 
 
Gordy327
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2.2.30  Gordy327  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.2.28    5 days ago
We will forever cling bitterly to our Bibles and our guns.  We will be deplorables with pride.

Sounds like the American version of the Taliban.

We are not only right, we are exceptional and awesomely intelligent.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA [deep breath] HAHAHAHAHAHAHA jrSmiley_10_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.2.31  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Tessylo @2.2.29    5 days ago

You accused me of lying.  It’s on you to prove that accusation.  Clearly I did not.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.2.32  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Gordy327 @2.2.30    5 days ago
Sounds like the American version of the Taliban.

No. That would be the secular progressive left that are the American Taliban.  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.2.33  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @2.2.24    5 days ago
They cling to their bibles, guns, and ignorance.  

Said the great divider!

 
 
 
Gordy327
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2.2.34  Gordy327  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.2.32    4 days ago
No. That would be the secular progressive left that are the American Taliban.  

Well let's see:

The Taliban place their religion above all else. So do many conservative christians. Check!

The Taliban love their guns and holy books too. So do many conservative christians. Check! 

The Taliban want to limit the rights of certain groups or relegate them to second class citizens. So do many conservative christians. Check!

The Taliban openly (verbally or in action) defy (and possibly revolt against) a legitimate government. So do many conservative christians. Check, check, and check!

Hmm, it would appear there's actually very little difference between the Taliban and many conservative christians. The only differences is the country they occupy and their respective religions. 

 
 
 
CB
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2.2.35  CB   replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.2.1    4 days ago

I am TRYING to understand exactly what your avatar is 'doing'. . . because wait I can see it now. . . you are one to talk about "a house divided" and divisive rhetoric. Drop your rocks, then demand it of others!

 
 
 
CB
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2.2.36  CB   replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.2.3    4 days ago
The coastal people’s condescension and arrogance toward us has not and will not be forgotten and neither will the fact that Trump made our lives a lot better during his time as President.  

"Will not be forgotten." Who cares, Jefferson. You can hold all the petty grudges you think makes money or just life comfortable you as long as you desire. It won't succeed because it is fluffery.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.2.37  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  CB @2.2.36    yesterday

It’s your side not mine that holds other Americans to be our nations greatest threats instead of Islamist terrorism, China, or Russia that most of the rest of America see as our greatest dangers. It is your side that holds to petty grudges.   

 
 
 
CB
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2.2.38  CB   replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.2.37    20 hours ago

That's full of it. The experiment of keeping anger alive for anger-sake will likely conclude at some point with the citizenry just being too pooped to be justifiably outraged against a real enemy of this country. Keep crying "wolf" with manufactured hate and reflex tactics to get a rise out of the electorate and they will have no choice but to ignore and turn on your political 'side.' It's a given. Y'all are overdoing the books sells and propaganda talk (to the hilt)!

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.2.39  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  CB @2.2.38    8 hours ago

Oh, I’d never expect support from the progressive left for America 🇺🇸 if we were hit by some external threat.  I expect that they would side with that threat against their internal enemies. 

 
 
 
Gsquared
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2.2.40  Gsquared  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.2.39    7 hours ago

Comment 2 2.39 is another example of right-wing extremist propaganda based on nothing but hatred and rage, clearly promulgated with evil intent.

At the same time, right-wing extremists are doing everything they can to subvert and destroy our democracy.

 
 
 
CB
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2.2.41  CB   replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.2.39    7 hours ago

That's just foolish! Your very survival (as well as my own) depends on what we all do together or individually for each other. Drop these silly, hateful themes you promote and get on with the business of healing (yourself and) this nation!

 
 
 
CB
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2.2.42  CB   replied to  Gsquared @2.2.40    7 hours ago

And, I wrote 2.2.41 below this before reading your comment. Here! Here!

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3  JohnRussell    one week ago

The seed proposes to compare apples to aardvarks.  Not very helpful. 

Trump is a threat to our democracy as are many of his most activist followers. 

 
 
 
Ronin2
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3.1  Ronin2  replied to  JohnRussell @3    one week ago

Biden and the TDS sufferers are the biggest single threat in the US. They are so blind and stupid that they trust the fucking Taliban! 

My only hope is that they get to experience the Taliban first hand to find out what a threat to the US really looks like.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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3.1.1  Tessylo  replied to  Ronin2 @3.1    one week ago

There is no such thing as TDS

Whatshisnames supporters, are indeed our biggest threat

 
 
 
Texan1211
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3.1.2  Texan1211  replied to  Ronin2 @3.1    one week ago
They are so blind and stupid that they trust the fucking Taliban! 

Don't really need to say anything else to demonstrate what some people are willing to fall for and believe.

 
 
 
Krishna
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3.1.3  Krishna  replied to  Ronin2 @3.1    one week ago
They are so blind and stupid that they trust the fucking Taliban! 

Indeed they are:

Trump’s deal with the Taliban, explained

Why Trump cut the deal

When Trump came into office, he was pretty transparent — he just wanted out of Afghanistan. “Trump had no real sense of what was at stake in the war or why to stay,” writes Georgetown professor Paul Miller in a digestible history of the 20-year war.

So Trump took a swing at something his predecessors hadn’t: a full-bore effort to strike a deal with the Taliban. It took nine rounds of talks over 18 months. At one point, Trump secretly invited the Taliban to the presidential retreat at Camp David on the eve of the anniversary of the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks . . . ( READ IT ALL )

 
 
 
Krishna
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3.1.4  Krishna  replied to  Ronin2 @3.1    one week ago
the TDS sufferers

What, exactly, do you mean by "TDS"?

Is that anything like, for example, HDS? Or ODS? 

Maybe even BDS?

(Or perhaps the seemingly ever-present "BLMDS"?)

 
 
 
Krishna
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3.1.5  Krishna  replied to  Krishna @3.1.4    one week ago

Personally, I actually have two of those so-called "DS"es:

HDS & SDS. 

Well, also a bit of PPDS as well!

 
 
 
Krishna
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3.1.6  Krishna  replied to  Krishna @3.1.5    one week ago

Guess the meaning of all the DSes I mentioned. 

Win some free Oranges.

(And if we are out of Oranges today-- maybe you could win an Aardvark!)

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.1.7  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Ronin2 @3.1    one week ago

That is truly sad.  And true.  Those people prefer to trust the Taliban to trusting other Americans.  That is why they left Americans behind in Afghanistan.  They figured that most they left behind were they kind they don’t trust and preferred leaving them to the Taliban to bringing them home.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.1.8  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Tessylo @3.1.1    one week ago
Whatshisnames supporters, are indeed our biggest threat

proof positive that Trump Derangement Syndrome really does exist.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
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3.1.9  Tessylo  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.1.8    one week ago

You have the trumpturd delusional syndrome.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.1.10  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Tessylo @3.1.9    one week ago
 
 
 
Tessylo
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3.1.11  Tessylo  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.1.10    one week ago

That pile of shit has no power over anyone but his supporters.

That pile of shit is no great anything other than a great big steaming pile of shit.  

That pile of shit sees his supporters as losers.  As the great unwashed.  

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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3.1.12  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.1.10    one week ago

Looks like your meme can rest its case......................................

 
 
 
Tessylo
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3.1.13  Tessylo  replied to  Tessylo @3.1.11    one week ago

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XXJefferson51
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3.1.14  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.1.10    one week ago

It’s interesting that the above can constantly refer to us as trumptards or Trumpturd with no problem at all

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[Stop spreading incorrect opinions please. I have deleted that remark a hundred times more than Vic has.]

[Flag it, don't make meta about it.]

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.1.15  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.1.12    one week ago

It could but thin skinned liberals can’t take what they dish out.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.1.16  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.1.10    one week ago
 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.1.17  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.1.12    one week ago
 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.1.18  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.1.12    one week ago

It is a great one and right on as well!  

 
 
 
Tessylo
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3.2  Tessylo  replied to  JohnRussell @3    one week ago

Domestic terrorists.  Our biggest threat.  The majority of them support whatshisname.

They prove it practically on a daily basis

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.2.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Tessylo @3.2    one week ago

From late May 2020 on we have seen many examples of BLM and Antifa domestic terrorism in big cities all across the country. Some dead, thousands wounded, billions in damage.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
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3.2.2  Tessylo  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.2.1    one week ago

All lies.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.2.3  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Tessylo @3.2.2    one week ago

It’s the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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4  Buzz of the Orient    one week ago

I'm curious as to the reasons why Americans consider China to be a national security threat.  Do they think China intends to invade the USA?

 
 
 
Hallux
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4.1  Hallux  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @4    one week ago

Having external enemies is a unifying addictive drug. Alas for Amerika it was a starter drug that has morphed into a far more insidious internal drug. China is one of many scapegoats for american denialism.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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4.1.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Hallux @4.1    5 days ago

Because some outsiders see no good at all in America and curry the favor of our enemies instead.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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4.2  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @4    one week ago

Did we think The Soviet Union was literally going to invade us during the previous Cold War?  

 
 
 
Gordy327
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4.2.1  Gordy327  replied to  XXJefferson51 @4.2    one week ago

I have no doubt some actually believed that possibility. 

 
 
 
Hallux
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4.2.2  Hallux  replied to  XXJefferson51 @4.2    one week ago

You even held a kangaroo court about it in the senate.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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4.2.3  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Gordy327 @4.2.1    one week ago

But they were still a threat to our interests and allies around the world just like China is now.  

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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4.2.4  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  XXJefferson51 @4.2.3    one week ago

Tell the truth - America's big concern is that it will be surpassed by China and America will become the number two nation in the world.  

 
 
 
Hallux
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4.2.5  Hallux  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @4.2.4    one week ago

We're number 2, USA! We're number 2, USA!

256

 
 
 
Texan1211
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4.2.6  Texan1211  replied to  Hallux @4.2.5    one week ago

In some countries, people die trying to leave them.

In America, people risk life and liberty to come here.

If that makes us #2, I can certainly live with it.

 
 
 
Hallux
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4.2.7  Hallux  replied to  Texan1211 @4.2.6    one week ago

People risk life and liberty to go to many countries. Canada is one of them.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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4.2.8  Texan1211  replied to  Hallux @4.2.7    one week ago
People risk life and liberty to go to many countries.

Many risk their lives by leaving a country--far more than are risked by entering a country.

I haven't heard many stories about refugees dying to enter Russia, or China, or Cuba.

Have you?

Meanwhile, we hear fairly often of aliens willing to sardine themselves into trailers to come here.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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4.2.9  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Hallux @4.2.7    one week ago
"People risk life and liberty to go to many countries. Canada is one of them."

Can you explain why you think people risk life and liberty to go to Canada?  Do you think they'll freeze to death, or be mauled by polar bears or eaten alive by a moose?

 
 
 
Hallux
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4.2.10  Hallux  replied to  Texan1211 @4.2.8    one week ago

They are dying to get into any country with western style democracies and economies. America is no longer unique.

 
 
 
Hallux
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4.2.11  Hallux  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @4.2.9    one week ago

Stuffing a beaver is a big draw.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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4.2.12  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Texan1211 @4.2.6    one week ago
"In America, people risk life and liberty to come here"
"...we hear fairly often of aliens willing to sardine themselves into trailers to come here."

You got me thinking about that, and wondering why.  I guess there are a few reasons.  There are those who are well off, such as those who like to go there from Canada in the winter for the weather, such as to Florida (I was one of those); some like musicians, actors, entrepreneurs go there for the better opportunities, and then of course there are those who come because their existing lives are unbearable, like the migrants from the south

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
4.2.13  Texan1211  replied to  Hallux @4.2.10    one week ago
They are dying to get into any country with western style democracies and economies. America is no longer unique.

You still don't seem to get it.

They are dying to leave their countries.

Please tell me how many aliens have actually died trying to enter Canada.

People HAVE died trying to enter the US.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
Professor Principal
4.2.14  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Hallux @4.2.11    one week ago
"Stuffing a beaver is a big draw."

Actually, maybe it's because of the poutine and butter tarts. 

 
 
 
Hallux
Freshman Principal
4.2.15  Hallux  replied to  Texan1211 @4.2.13    one week ago

It's a long drive from the Mexican border to Canada, "sardined ... into trailers" they would have died long before getting here.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
4.2.16  Texan1211  replied to  Hallux @4.2.15    one week ago

So, how many people die trying to enter Canada?

 
 
 
Hallux
Freshman Principal
4.2.17  Hallux  replied to  Texan1211 @4.2.16    one week ago

I have no idea. Moving on:

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
Professor Principal
4.2.18  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Gordy327 @4.2.1    one week ago
"I have no doubt some actually believed that possibility." 

There had to be a reason why people were building fallout shelters, and schoolkids were being trained to hide under their desks.

 
 
 
Gordy327
Professor Principal
4.2.19  Gordy327  replied to  XXJefferson51 @4.2.3    one week ago

Such paranoia.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
4.2.20  Tessylo  replied to  Hallux @4.2.11    one week ago

"Stuffing a beaver is a big draw."

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
4.2.21  devangelical  replied to  Hallux @4.2.11    one week ago
Stuffing a beaver is a big draw.

... that and weed is what kept me in high school.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
4.2.22  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @4.2.4    one week ago

Even if that happened on a total economy (but not per capita) and military size scale, little would change as an America allied with the other English speaking democracies, the EU, and the south Asian nations would still have a better situation than China would.  

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
Professor Principal
4.2.23  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  XXJefferson51 @4.2.22    one week ago

Obviously being unable to bring China to its knees, I've seen that Biden is trying to make it a team effort with other countries in order to face China, but I don't think he will achieve the unity he has been trying but failing to achieve in America.  A lot of countries like the benefit of their trade deals with China (example - New Zealand), and I don't think Harris' trip was quite as successful as she would have liked.  

 
 
 
shona1
Sophomore Participates
4.2.24  shona1  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @4.2.23    one week ago

Yes New Zealand have already been told off for their opinions and threatened with trade sanctions....

We don't expect China to meddle in our internal affairs so should not be a problem..

But we will wait and see what they come up with...

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
Professor Principal
4.2.25  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  shona1 @4.2.24    one week ago

Really?  The angelic saintly western nations will used BLACKMAIL on countries to FORCE them into harming China so America won't lose its "number one" spot?  Isn't that kind of a "slave labour"?  Biden said he wouldn't require countries to choose.  BULLSHIT

 
 
 
shona1
Sophomore Participates
4.2.26  shona1  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @4.2.25    one week ago

Evening...us Saintly...you have got to be kidding.

Yes New Zealand has been warned as Jacinta has finally come out in support of the Uyghur so that went down like a lead balloon..told not to interfere etc etc..

As you know we are more than happy to tell anyone to take a long walk off a short pier, be it NZ, USA or China..

No doubt today's announcement re the nuclear subs here will be ruffling a few feathers in China..but hey it all makes the world go round...

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
Professor Principal
4.2.27  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  shona1 @4.2.26    one week ago
"As you know we are more than happy to tell anyone to take a long walk off a short pier, be it NZ, USA or China.."

Canada too?  LOL

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
4.2.28  Kavika   replied to  shona1 @4.2.26    one week ago

My understanding is the subs will be built in Adelaide. To my knowledge, there are no nuclear facilities in Australia. 

How do you think the people of Australia will react to being part of a nuclear nation? 

 
 
 
shona1
Sophomore Participates
4.2.29  shona1  replied to  Kavika @4.2.28    one week ago

Evening Kavika...Some for some against...To be honest I don't really care...Yes the sub base is over in Adelaide...NZ is already in hysterics over it and banned any subs from their waters..But no surprise there...Lucas Heights was the only nuclear plant and that closed years ago..

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
4.2.30  Kavika   replied to  shona1 @4.2.29    one week ago

I'm sure that the French are not happy with this. I read where they didn't receive any warning that this deal was going to be. The Aussies have already invested north of $2 billion dollars on the subs the French were going to build for Australia.

 
 
 
shona1
Sophomore Participates
4.2.31  shona1  replied to  Kavika @4.2.30    one week ago

The French have been stuffing around for ages and there are problems with them galore..Well rid of them I say...

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
4.2.32  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @4.2.12    5 days ago

There are a number of Chinese who make it to Mexico and cross our southern border each year.  

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
Professor Principal
4.2.33  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  XXJefferson51 @4.2.32    5 days ago

REALLY?  Do you have a VALID source for that information?  Are you going to get on a horse and ride through your town shouting "The Chinese are coming, the Chinese are coming."?

Out of around 1.4 billion people there are bound to be some who think the streets in America are paved with gold.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
5  Tessylo    one week ago

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XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
5.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Tessylo @5    5 days ago

It is also the liberal way…

 
 
 
Gsquared
Junior Principal
6  Gsquared    one week ago

We certainly should not trust anyone who declares himself "an enemy of the state", and traffics in lies, fraud and slander.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
6.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Gsquared @6    one week ago

I no of no one here trafficking in lies, fraud, or slander. Those are instruments of policy of the present White House regime.  I’m proud to be a part of the resistance to that thing.  

 
 
 
Gsquared
Junior Principal
6.1.1  Gsquared  replied to  XXJefferson51 @6.1    one week ago

I am aware of at least one member who has repeatedly declared himself "an enemy of the state", whose every seed and comment is nothing but lies, fraud and slander.  Definitely not someone worthy of anyone's trust.

By declaring himself "an enemy of the state", we can infer that he believes himself to be an enemy of America.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
6.1.2  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Gsquared @6.1.1    one week ago

Nope, just of your vision for her.  

 
 
 
Gsquared
Junior Principal
6.1.3  Gsquared  replied to  XXJefferson51 @6.1.2    one week ago

My vision for America is freedom, democracy, prosperity, a nation that lives by the ethos that it is a country with a government that is of, by and for the people.  You are a self-declared enemy of my America.

Your vision for America is Trumpism, a disgraced refuge for white supremacists, theocratic dominionists, subversion of democracy, opposition to science, opposition to the common good, oligarchic degradation of the environment, lovers of dictatorships and autocracies.

That summarizes the difference between two very different visions.

 
 
 
Raven Wing
Professor Principal
6.1.4  Raven Wing  replied to  Gsquared @6.1.3    one week ago
You are a self-declared enemy of my America

Hear! Hear!   jrSmiley_81_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
6.1.5  Tessylo  replied to  Raven Wing @6.1.4    one week ago

G-squared always hits it right out of the park!!!!!!!!!!!!

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
6.1.6  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Gsquared @6.1.3    5 days ago

You as usual totally misrepresented in sweeping generalizations everything that I actually stand for.  Nothing new there.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
6.1.7  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Gsquared @6.1.3    5 days ago
You are a self-declared enemy of my America.

no.  I am a self declared enemy of your vision of and for America and what secular progressives would make of a future America.  I will oppose both with every fiber of my being as long as we have a constitutional republic and free speech here.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
6.1.8  Tessylo  replied to  XXJefferson51 @6.1.7    5 days ago

You do nothing but whine and complain about being repressed and a victim,  neither of which is true 

 
 
 
Gsquared
Junior Principal
6.1.9  Gsquared  replied to  XXJefferson51 @6.1.7    5 days ago

Me:

My vision for America is freedom, democracy, prosperity, a nation that lives by the ethos that it is a country with a government that is of, by and for the people. 

You:

I am a self declared enemy of your vision of and for America

As I said...

 
 
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