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Fox News host Ainsley Earhardt launches series ‘Beyond and Back’ to show 'proof of Heaven'

  
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By:   Jeannie Ortega Law

Fox News host Ainsley Earhardt launches series ‘Beyond and Back’ to show 'proof of Heaven'
She launched the new series on Fox Nation to uncover intriguing stories of both believers and non-believers who can't explain how they survived death. Each story is beyond scientific explanation. The five-part series begins with the first episode, "Proof of Heaven." It tells the story of a man of science (a neurosurgeon) who did not believe in the afterlife until his own experience with the "beyond."

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This is a great article!  There are things that happen that science as humanists know it can’t explain or understand.  Deleted proselytizing - sandy This great Fox News series explores things humans can’t understand that have happened to a variety of people.  Ainsley Earheardt is a co host of Fox and Friends which is the best morning news show on tv.  Fox News is about to celebrate 25 years on the air. Thank you Ainsley for making this series to cover the unexplainable Deleted proselytizing.


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Fox News host Ainsley Earhardt launches series ‘Beyond and Back’ to show 'proof of Heaven'



By Jeannie Ortega Law , Christian Post Reporter


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As the Fox News Channel approaches its 25-year anniversary, a fixture at the network, Ainsley Earhardt, is taking a look into the great beyond with her new series, "Beyond and Back."

The current co-host of the No. 1 morning show in cable news, "Fox & Friends," is a professing Christian who is very vocal about her faith and its role in her everyday life.

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She launched the new series on Fox Nation to uncover intriguing stories of both believers and non-believers who can't explain how they survived death. 

Each story is beyond scientific explanation. The five-part series begins with the first episode, "Proof of Heaven. " It tells the story of a man of science (a neurosurgeon) who did not believe in the afterlife until his own experience with the "beyond." 

"God is giving us these experiences all over the world for a reason, and the five different stories in this series are just a small glimpse into the bigger plans that God has for us all," Earhardt shared with The Christian Post.

The TV host said she wanted to release the series to give viewers a sense of "hope and faith in the afterlife" following a tumultuous year in which many suffered loss. 



The following is an edited transcript of Earhardt's entire interview with CP, where she shares her thoughts on the afterlife and explains why she wants to bring these stories to viewers.


Christian Post: Can you share with us the inspiration behind your new series "Beyond and Back"?

Earhardt: The pandemic has forced everyone to deal with the uncertainties of life on a more accelerated level. From illness to loss of a job or loved one, Americans are searching even more than ever to know if there really is God or something more out there. We wanted to release this series to give viewers a sense of hope and faith that there is something more after this life and to find comfort in knowing that our loved ones are not alone when they die.   

CP: What can viewers expect from the series?

Earhardt: The series uncovers five intriguing stories of believers and non-believers who overcome adversity after traveling somewhere beyond this life. Most of them can't explain how they survived death, were lifted from Hell and went to Heaven and back. But what they experienced has transformed their lives forever.

CP: Can you give us a sneak peek into the testimony of a believer who we can look forward to seeing on the show?

Earhardt: Entrepreneur and a family man of faith, Jeff Fusco, had a life most people strive for until he became severely sick with COVID-19 in 2020. After multiple surgeries, the doctors told his family that he had two hours to live. Fighting to stay alive, Jeff experienced something out of this world. He was transported to a place that brought him total peace and comfort, with stone walls and gates leading to what he believes was Heaven. But Jeff was faced with a choice … to enter this beautiful city of God or to return home with his loving family. What happens next is truly incredible.

CP: Did filming this show teach you anything about the beyond?

Earhardt: The beautiful testimonies in this show have validated everything I've been taught about this life and the next.  

CP: What do you believe lies beyond?

Earhardt: I believe the Bible, which says there is a Heaven and we get there not by works, but by faith in Jesus Christ.  Heaven is God's dwelling place and a realm where everything operates according to God's will.  

In 2 Corinthians 5:8, the Bible teaches us, "We are of good courage, and we would rather be away from the body and at home with the Lord." This explains why all of those who say they have died and gone to Heaven want to stay. In Ephesians 2, we learn, "For by grace you have been saved through faith. And, this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast." Jesus said in Romans 10:9: "If you confess with your mouth, 'Jesus is Lord,' and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved. For, 'everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.'"

CP: Would you consider these survival stories divine intervention? 

Earhardt: Yes, they all seemed to have that element of going beyond this life and experiencing something else, something unexplainable, but yet wonderful and life-altering.

CP: What do you want others to take away from the series?

Earhardt: I want others to walk away knowing that miracles do exist. Science can't explain everything. God is giving us these experiences all over the world for a reason, and the five different stories in this series are just a small glimpse into the bigger plans that God has for us all.

CP: Is there anything else you'd like to add?

Earhardt: The Fox News Channel has been broadcasting around the world for 25 years and I have had the distinct pleasure of being a part of the team. Waking up America each morning and bringing our friends — the viewers — the news has been one of the greatest pleasures of my life. Thank you for your loyalty, support and love throughout the years. I'll see you all in the morning. 

"Beyond and Back" with Earhardt is now available to stream.


Jeannie Ortega Law is a reporter for The Christian Post.



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XXJefferson51
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1  seeder  XXJefferson51    3 years ago

Fox News Host Ainsley Earhardt Highlights Miraculous Stories of Surviving Death, Visiting the Afterlife in New Series

Ainsley Earhardt, best known as the current co-host of the morning cable news show Fox & Friends, has launched a new series that she says will provide proof of the afterlife.

Earhardt, an outspoken Christian, released the five-part series Beyond and Back on Fox Nation late last month. Each episode details stories of believers and non-believers who survived death and briefly experienced the afterlife.

“The series uncovers five intriguing stories of believers and non-believers who overcome adversity after traveling somewhere beyond this life,”  Earhardt told The Christian Post in a recent interview.  “Most of them can't explain how they survived death, were lifted from Hell and went to Heaven and back. But what they experienced has transformed their lives forever.”

Earhardt shared that increasing worry and uncertainty about death amid the COVID-19 pandemic inspired the idea for the new series.

“The pandemic has forced everyone to deal with the uncertainties of life on a more accelerated level,” the TV host explained. “From illness to loss of a job or loved one, Americans are searching even more than ever to know if there really is God or something more out there.”

“We wanted to release this series to give viewers a sense of hope and faith that there is something more after this life and to find comfort in knowing that our loved ones are not alone when they die,” she added.

The first episode, titled “Proof of Heaven,” tells the story of a neurosurgeon who did not believe in the afterlife until he experienced it for himself.…

…In launching Beyond And Back, Earhardt hopes that viewers will accept that “miracles do exist.”

“Science can't explain everything,” she contended. “God is giving us these experiences all over the world for a reason…

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XXJefferson51
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1.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  XXJefferson51 @1    3 years ago

'Beyond and Back': Ainsley Earhardt uncovers stories of modern-day miracles

The five-part series is available to stream now on Fox Nation

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People are starved to understand the existence - and effectiveness - of miracles. Since the parting of the Red Sea or the healing of Lazarus, skeptics deny that miracles can exist within the laws of nature. 

But according to some studies, one in 10 people claim they’ve witnessed a miracle or near-death experience. 

Now, Fox News' Ainsley Earhardtuncovers intriguing stories of believers and non-believers alike who encountered circumstances that were beyond scientific explanation. 

Earhardt's ‘Beyond and Back’ five-part series on Fox Nation begins with the inaugural episode, ‘Proof of Heaven.’ It tells the story of a neurosurgeon driven by science, who never believed in the afterlife — and who shifts his entire worldview after the unthinkable happened.


Dr. Eben Alexander, an accomplished neurosurgeon, ‘always knew science was the pathway to truth.’

"Even though he was raised Methodist, Eben didn't really believe in God," Ainsley noted, "because his scientific training offered no evidence for it." 

The doctor was convinced he knew how the brain worked — until something this scientist never dreamed of would happen to him in the early morning hours of November 10th. 2008.

That night, he'd experienced sudden, horrific back pain, and had collapsed, writhing in agony and a cold sweat. The pain was indescribable, and he was eventually intubated at a local hospital and diagnosed with E coli meningitis. 

After being in a coma for 4 days, it was determined Dr. Alexander only had a 2% chance of survival.

But while his medical reports showed Eben was essentially brain-dead, somehow his conscious was still alive.

"This slowly-spinning light came toward me with a perfect musical melody, and that opened up a wormhole or a portal into this higher realm," said Dr. Alexander. "It was absolutely beautiful beyond description."

The doctor went on to describe what he saw, who he encountered, and the message he was told to bring back to all souls on earth….

read more: https://www.foxnews.com/media/beyond-back-ainsley-earhardt-miracles-fox-nation
 
 
 
Gordy327
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1.1.1  Gordy327  replied to  XXJefferson51 @1.1    3 years ago
People are starved to understand the existence - and effectiveness - of miracles .

Only if they have some emotional need to fill or lack objective rationality. "Miracles" are nothing more than fortuitous outcomes when such outcomes is statistically unlikely (but not with certainty or 0% probability). There is no objective measurement to validate so called miracles.

Since the parting of the Red Sea or the healing of Lazarus, skeptics deny that miracles can exist within the laws of nature. 

Because such events either have natural phenomenon or laws to help explain them, are exaggerations of other stories, or are just flat out fables.

But according to some studies, one in 10 people claim they’ve witnessed a miracle or near-death experience. 

Eye witness accounts are also notoriously unreliable and is one of the weakest forms of evidence.

Dr. Eben Alexander, an accomplished neurosurgeon, ‘always knew science was the pathway to truth.’

Not quite. Science is the path to knowledge and facts. 

"This slowly-spinning light came toward me with a perfect musical melody, and that opened up a wormhole or a portal into this higher realm," said Dr. Alexander. "It was absolutely beautiful beyond description."

So basically the brain came up with a comforting image to cope with the severity of his illness. Or maybe he was doped up on medications. Possibly a hallucination cause by delirium or an effect of an infectious organism infecting the central nervous system. Perhaps a combo of all of the above? It's both funny and sad how some prefer to go straight to the emotionally appealing explanation over other possible explanations.

 
 
 
cjcold
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1.1.2  cjcold  replied to  Gordy327 @1.1.1    3 years ago

Since there is no proof of god how can there be proof of heaven?

 
 
 
Gordy327
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1.1.3  Gordy327  replied to  cjcold @1.1.2    3 years ago
Since there is no proof of god how can there be proof of heaven?

Exactly! There is none! For either. 

 
 
 
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1.2  devangelical  replied to  XXJefferson51 @1    3 years ago

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Vic Eldred
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1.3  Vic Eldred  replied to  XXJefferson51 @1    3 years ago

Another breathe of fresh air

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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1.3.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.3    3 years ago

I’m glad that you liked the seed!  Its content is a source of hope in hard times.  

 
 
 
cjcold
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1.3.2  cjcold  replied to  XXJefferson51 @1.3.1    3 years ago

It's content is a source of continued propaganda and lies throughout time.

 
 
 
Gordy327
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1.3.3  Gordy327  replied to  cjcold @1.3.2    3 years ago
It's content is a source of continued propaganda and lies throughout time.

Which preys on peoples ignorance, emotion, and/or gullibility.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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1.3.4  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  cjcold @1.3.2    3 years ago

No it’s not.  Heaven and getting there and how to do so is The Whole point of what we believe, who we are, and why we will never be silenced about it. 

 
 
 
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1.3.5  devangelical  replied to  XXJefferson51 @1.3.4    3 years ago

religious hypocrites won't be making the trip...   ... repent while you still can.

 
 
 
Gordy327
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1.3.6  Gordy327  replied to  XXJefferson51 @1.3.4    3 years ago
 Heaven and getting there and how to do so is The Whole point of what we believe, who we are, and why we will never be silenced about it. 

What if you are wrong? 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2  seeder  XXJefferson51    3 years ago

I’m sure we will soon see a seed in another group describing the “fallacy” of the Biblical accounts of and description of Heaven in Job, Daniel, and Revelation.  Fortunately, Heaven is very real.  

 
 
 
Gordy327
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2.1  Gordy327  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2    3 years ago
I’m sure we will soon see a seed in another group describing the “fallacy” of the Biblical accounts of and description of Heaven in Job, Daniel, and Revelation.

There sure are lots of fallacies. Many do have objective and natural evidence to explain them too. New evidence was just discovered which blows a big hole in the religious "explanation" of the Sodom & Gomorrah story. 

Fortunately, Heaven is very real.

That's nice. Prove it!

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.1.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Gordy327 @2.1    3 years ago

I did already in post #7.  Nothing more need be said to prove that it is real. 

 
 
 
Gordy327
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2.1.2  Gordy327  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.1.1    3 years ago
I did already in post #7.

Where? All you did was use biblical stories to prove it, which is just circular reasoning. It's not proof of anything, except intellectual laziness.

Nothing more need be said to prove that it is real. 

You've said nothing to begin with and offered even less.

 
 
 
cjcold
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2.2  cjcold  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2    3 years ago

Actually, folk who believe in mythology and superstition are very disturbed and can't be trusted.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.2.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  cjcold @2.2    3 years ago

That post expresses a complete and total closed minded position that expresses an intense dislike like bigotry and intolerance toward others who have different beliefs based on a rational faith.  

 
 
 
Gordy327
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2.2.2  Gordy327  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.2.1    3 years ago
rational faith.  

An oxymoron. Faith by definition is not rational.

 
 
 
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2.2.3  JohnRussell  replied to  Gordy327 @2.2.2    3 years ago
Faith by definition is not rational.

Utter nonsense.  Faith is neither rational or irrational.  

faith
[fāTH]
NOUN
  1. complete trust or confidence in someone or something.
    "this restores one's faith in politicians"
    synonyms:
    trust   ·   belief   ·   confidence   ·   conviction   ·   credence   ·   reliance   ·   dependence   ·   optimism   ·   hopefulness   ·   hope   ·   expectation
  2. strong belief in God or in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof.
    "bereaved people who have shown supreme faith"
    synonyms:
    religion   ·   church   ·   sect   ·   denomination   ·   persuasion   ·   religious persuasion   ·   religious belief   ·   belief   ·   code of belief   ·   ideology   ·   creed   ·   teaching   ·   dogma   ·   doctrine
    • a system of religious belief.
      "the Christian faith"
      synonyms:
      religion   ·   religious belief(s)   ·   religious persuasion   ·   religious conviction   ·  
      [more]
    • a strongly held belief or theory.
      "the faith that life will expand until it fills the universe"
 
 
 
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2.2.4  JohnRussell  replied to  Gordy327 @2.2.2    3 years ago

For my taste, Newstalkers is far too anti-religious.  There is no balance in this place. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.2.5  JohnRussell  replied to  cjcold @2.2    3 years ago
Actually, folk who believe in mythology and superstition are very disturbed and can't be trusted.

I would have to say that is false. In general I would trust someone who believes in God no more or less that I would trust an atheist. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.2.6  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  JohnRussell @2.2.4    3 years ago
For my taste, Newstalkers is far too anti-religious.  There is no balance in this place. 

on this issue we are in total agreement.  You are exactly right and that lack of balance is rigidly enforced by the other side to make sure there’s no equal exchange of ideas on the subject.  Thanks for pointing that out.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.2.7  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  JohnRussell @2.2.5    3 years ago

It’s all about content of character that matters regarding who we trust or not.  

 
 
 
TᵢG
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2.2.8  TᵢG  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.2.7    3 years ago

What bullshit.   You trust everything Trump states.   Content of character;  what a joke.

 
 
 
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2.2.9  Gsquared  replied to  TᵢG @2.2.8    3 years ago

You are so right.  That is total bullshit.  Unbelievable.

 
 
 
Gsquared
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2.2.10  Gsquared  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.2.1    3 years ago
rational faith

That quote reveals a complete misunderstanding of the Christian religion.  From the time of the earliest Christian thinkers it was understood that faith is required because the tenets of the religion, such as virgin birth and life after death, are not subject to rational proof.  There is no rational way to prove any of it, thus, in order to believe, faith is required.  This has been a primary topic of religious discourse throughout the ages.  Every knowledgeable scholar of Christianity for millennia, including the most devout believers, know this for a fact.  

Is someone knowledgeable were to use the phrase "rational faith" in the context of Christian beliefs, that would indicate the phrase is being used for propagandistic purposes.

 
 
 
Gordy327
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2.2.11  Gordy327  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.2.6    3 years ago
n this issue we are in total agreement.  You are exactly right and that lack of balance is rigidly enforced by the other side to make sure there’s no equal exchange of ideas on the subject.

Or maybe than not there are more people here who do not care for proselytizing BS and baseless religious claims!

 
 
 
Gordy327
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2.2.12  Gordy327  replied to  JohnRussell @2.2.4    3 years ago
For my taste, Newstalkers is far too anti-religious.  There is no balance in this place. 

See post 2.2.11. But if you don't like it, you do not have to be here either.

Faith is neither rational or irrational.  

Wrong! Faith is believing (or accepting) something without evidence or any objective analysis. That is irrational. Rational means "based on or in accordance with reason or logic." There is neither reason or logic in religious belief. 

In general I would trust someone who believes in God no more or less that I would trust an atheist. 

Why? Are you assuming religious people are inherently more trustworthy? Seems rather biased to me.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.2.13  JohnRussell  replied to  Gordy327 @2.2.12    3 years ago
Why? Are you assuming religious people are inherently more trustworthy? Seems rather biased to me.

You are showing your own bias and irrationality . I said no such thing. 

I said. In general I would trust someone who believes in God no more or less than I would trust an atheist. How do you get out of that that I think religious people are inherently more trustworthy? 

I am no friend of bible thumping , I have ridiculed it here more times than I could count. I don't believe that the Christian religion or any religion demands constant proselytizing. Nor do I think that endless discussions of how "irrational" belief in God is are appropriate either. Some of the most brilliant minds in human history have believed in God. Was there something wrong with all those people? 

Newstalkers appears to be generally an atheistic group. People attack religion on this site like a pack of hungry animals. I dont think that is an attractive aspect of this site. 

As far as faith being irrational, is there nothing in your life that you have faith in, that you accept as being or becoming in spite of no complete evidence for it?

We have already established that there is no "default position" that applies to discussions of the existence of God. So atheists are irrational then? Because an atheist has no proof that God does not exist, he has "faith" that there is no God.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.2.14  JohnRussell  replied to  Gordy327 @2.2.12    3 years ago
But if you don't like it, you do not have to be here either.

You dont have to be here either, or do you think majority rules? 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.2.15  JohnRussell  replied to  Gordy327 @2.2.12    3 years ago
a strongly held belief or theory.
"the faith that life will expand until it fills the universe"

this is a definition of faith.  What is irrational about it?  There are people who have faith that at some point the human race will travel to far distant places in the galaxy . Are they irrational? 

 
 
 
TᵢG
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2.2.16  TᵢG  replied to  JohnRussell @2.2.15    3 years ago
What is irrational about it? 

Here is an extreme example.   Flat Earthers have a strongly held belief or theory that the Earth is flat.  Or this:  YECs have a strongly held belief or theory that the Earth is less than 10,000 years old and all extant life was populated from an ark which included dinosaurs.

The belief itself is what one uses to gauge rationality.

The belief that there might be a sentient creator that we know nothing about is rational.    In contrast, the very specific beliefs with attributes (omniscient, omnipotent, omnibenevolent, perfect, eternal, loving, etc.) and stories (i.e. direct human interactions with the grandest possible sentient entity) backed by zero evidence and countered by contradiction is irrational.

 
 
 
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2.2.17  JohnRussell  replied to  TᵢG @2.2.16    3 years ago

Belief in God is a philosophical endeavor, not a scientific one . There are historically theologians that have offered "proofs" of the existence of God that are entirely based on reason . Maybe they are wrong, but their beliefs are not irrational. 

On another level we can see what is commonly called a creation, otherwise known as the existence in which we live. Where did it come from? It is not irrational to believe it was created by an outside force. It may be wrong, but it is not irrational. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.2.18  JohnRussell  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.2.7    3 years ago
It’s all about content of character that matters regarding who we trust or not.

Then why dont you pledge your political loyalty to someone who has some?  You have probably , in the last few weeks , stated 50 times that Trump is a great American. That is absurd. Among all his other crimes, he tried to steal the last election. 

You bring shame on Christianity. 

 
 
 
Gordy327
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2.2.19  Gordy327  replied to  JohnRussell @2.2.15    3 years ago
this is a definition of faith. 

Yes, and?

What is irrational about it? 

The blind acceptance of it sans evidence or worse, in contradiction to established evidence, usually because some authority or majority simply says so. TiG's reference to Flat Earthers is a perfect example. 

There are people who have faith that at some point the human race will travel to far distant places in the galaxy . Are they irrational? 

They are unrealistic maybe. But considering we are a spacefaring species, it is not inconceivable that we will be able to travel to distant places as technology improves over time.

You dont have to be here either, or do you think majority rules? 

I'm not the one complaining about NT.

Belief in God is a philosophical endeavor, not a scientific one .

Then it's dishonest to make claims of certainty regarding god or think one's beliefs are superior to others because one thinks they know the "truth."

There are historically theologians that have offered "proofs" of the existence of God that are entirely based on reason . Maybe they are wrong, but their beliefs are not irrational.

Yes, they were wrong and irrational because their "proofs" were anything but proof. 

On another level we can see what is commonly called a creation, otherwise known as the existence in which we live. Where did it come from?

The honest answer is we don't really know. Where irrationality comes in is when one tries to insert "god" as an explanation. It's irrational because the "god did it" answer is merely an emotionally satisfying answer to satiate curiosity or as a simple means to answer a question. There is no evidence to support it, no further thought is required to explain it. It's one which many people, especially religious authorities, use and which others simply accept because of that.

It is not irrational to believe it was created by an outside force. It may be wrong, but it is not irrational. 

That depends on how one defines that "outside force." The belief is little more than an attempt to answer the question and is wishful thinking.

 
 
 
Gordy327
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2.2.20  Gordy327  replied to  JohnRussell @2.2.13    3 years ago
You are showing your own bias and irrationality . I said no such thing. 

That's why I posed it as a question. 

In general I would trust someone who believes in Godno more or lessthan I would trust an atheist.How do you get out of that that I think religious people are inherently more trustworthy? 

Your statement implies atheists are not as trustworthy as theists, based on nothing more than religiosity. 

 Some of the most brilliant minds in human history have believed in God.

Yes, and some still do.

Was there something wrong with all those people? 

They were products of their respective societies.

Newstalkers appears to be generally an atheistic group.

I do not see that.

People attack religion on this site like a pack of hungry animals. I dont think that is an attractive aspect of this site. 

No, people generally scrutinize or challenge the claims religion makes. Challenging one's claims based on religion is not attacking religion itself, even though certain individuals might feel otherwise. Even some theists here challenge one another or disagree.

As far as faith being irrational, is there nothing in your life that you have faith in, that you accept as being or becoming in spite of no complete evidence for it?

I don't go by faith. 

We have already established that there is no "default position" that applies to discussions of the existence of God. So atheists are irrational then? Because an atheist has no proof that God does not exist, he has "faith" that there is no God.

I have lost count as to how many times I've seen that absurd argument. Both atheists and theists are being irrational when either makes a claim of certainty regarding god. Both ends of that spectrum are logically indefensible. Most atheists do not believe in a god or accept claims for one sans evidence. But they are willing to reconsider once evidence is presented. That conspicuously does not happen with theists. A lack of faith is not a faith in itself. And proving the nonexistence of something is a logical fallacy.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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2.2.21  TᵢG  replied to  JohnRussell @2.2.17    3 years ago
Belief in God is a philosophical endeavor, not a scientific one .

An understatement.   And it is not even entirely philosophical (i.e. the logical reasoning that there must be a god with certain attributes).   It is also (and I would say substantially) based on human psychology and, in particular, fear of death and the need to an explanation for that which we cannot comprehend (e.g. why volcanoes erupt, why famines occur, why tornadoes and floods and ... occur).

There are historically theologians that have offered "proofs" of the existence of God that are entirely based on reason .

I have yet to find a single sound philosophical proof of a god.   Do you have an example of one you consider sound?

Maybe they are wrong, but their beliefs are not irrational. 

As noted in my earlier comment, the rationality of the belief depends upon the belief.   If you have an example, let's explore it.

On another level we can see what is commonly called a creation, otherwise known as the existence in which we live. Where did it come from? It is not irrational to believe it was created by an outside force. It may be wrong, but it is not irrational. 

It is not irrational to believe that it might have been created by a sentient entity.    The more specific the belief, the more it will approach irrationality unless supported by sound reasoning (and that means based on facts and valid logic).

 
 
 
TᵢG
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2.2.22  TᵢG  replied to  JohnRussell @2.2.18    3 years ago

... and on the R party.   Trump supporters are inflicting heavy damage on the R party and it may take a decade for it to recover.

You might like that (maybe not) but that would be a horrific blow to our nation.   We need three or more largely equal parties (or none at all).   Devolving to one dominant party is the road to authoritarian rule.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.2.23  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  TᵢG @2.2.22    3 years ago

Trumpism and America First are growing the GOP, not shrinking it.  

 
 
 
TᵢG
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2.2.24  TᵢG  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.2.23    3 years ago

Trump and his sycophants are a cancer of the GOP.

 
 
 
Gsquared
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2.2.25  Gsquared  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.2.23    3 years ago
Trumpism and America First are growing the GOP, not shrinking it.

That is completely counterfactual.  

The facts:

From NBC News 2/7/21

"In the weeks since the January riot at the Capitol, there has been a raft of stories about voters across the country leaving the Republican Party. Some of the numbers are eye-catching and suggest that the GOP may be shrinking before our eyes, but a closer look at the numbers over time shows that a larger change has been working its way through the party for some time.

In fact, when one takes into account shifts in the composition of the Democratic Party, the real story seems to be more about a deeper remaking of the nation’s two major political parties.

To be sure, the headlines from the last few weeks have been striking, with multiple states reporting large declines in Republican voter registrations ."

From The Washington Post 4/7/21

"Perhaps pastors or friends can convince MAGA cultists that the election really was not stolen and that left-wingers did not storm the Capitol on Jan. 6. Maybe family members can prevail upon the zombie audience of right-wing media that the former disgraced president has been lying to them since he rode down the golden escalator to join the 2016 presidential race. It is a daunting task to convince people that they have been living in a parallel universe. The good news is that this is not a precondition for the rest of America to repair its functioning democracy.

Even if we are unable to deprogram MAGA members, it looks as though the GOP is shrinking, making its aspirations to regain power more difficult. Gallup reports  that during the first quarter of 2021 “an average of 49% of U.S. adults identified with the Democratic Party or said they are independents who lean toward the Democratic Party. That compares with 40% who identified as Republicans or Republican leaners.” That nine-point gap dwarfs the usual four- to six-point Democratic advantage. It has not been this big since the fourth quarter of 2012.

Breaking down those totals, 30 percent identify as Democrats (19 percent lean Democratic), while only 25 percent identify as Republicans (and 15 percent lean Republican). The percentage of those who do not identify with one of the two parties (leaners plus independents with no partisan preference) is up. But Gallup reports that “[i]ncreased independent identification has mostly come at the expense of the Republican Party, with the 25% of U.S. adults currently identifying as Republicans down from 29% in the fourth quarter. Republican Party identification has not been lower since early 2018 and is just a few points above the low of 22% in the Gallup telephone polling era.”

From The Week 7/6/21

"A  new deep dive  into the 2020 electorate by Pew Research contains mostly bad news for Republicans, whose approaching demographic doom is less racial than it is generational. While it shouldn't be news to anyone at this point that young voters are a solidly blue voting bloc, the more worrisome developments for the GOP are the unexpectedly elderly nature of the party's coalition and the unyielding Democratic lean of younger voters as they age. If Pew's numbers are to be believed, the only solidly Republican age demographic last year was 75 and over, meaning that every time the sun comes up, the GOP's struggle to win a majority of American voters gets harder."

From New York Magazine 4/8/21

"From  Gallup  comes news that its regular polling on party affiliation shows the largest quarterly gap in major party affiliation since 2012, with 49 percent of U.S. adults identifying themselves as either Democrats (30 percent) or as Democratic-leaning independents (19 percent), while 40 percent call themselves Republicans (25 percent) or Republican-leaning independents (15 percent)."

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
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4  Paula Bartholomew    3 years ago

Does anyone remember the little boy who claimed he went to heaven and returned?  After his parents made a shit load of money off of his claim, it was proven to be a hoax.

 
 
 
Gordy327
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4.1  Gordy327  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @4    3 years ago

Ah, a "classic" religious hoax. It's right up there with people claiming God/Jesus spoke to them. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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4.1.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Gordy327 @4.1    3 years ago

There are hoaxes perpetrated by all kinds of people on all sorts of topics and interests.  We aren’t perfect or sinless.  

 
 
 
Gordy327
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4.1.2  Gordy327  replied to  XXJefferson51 @4.1.1    3 years ago

You only reinforce what I said and prove my point. Thanks 

 
 
 
TᵢG
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5  TᵢG    3 years ago
There are things that happen that science as humanists know it can’t explain or understand.

So enter organized religion to invent an answer and encourage gullible people to believe what they invented.

 
 
 
Gordy327
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5.1  Gordy327  replied to  TᵢG @5    3 years ago

Is that not what religion does? When something is unknown or not understood,  religion uses the "God did it" answer. It's simplistic, emotionally satisfying, and requires no further thought or question.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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5.2  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  TᵢG @5    3 years ago

The condescending arrogantly gullible believe that science has all the answers to everything and that there’s no place for religion in anyone’s life and that it can’t provide anything of value to anyone.  

 
 
 
Gordy327
Professor Expert
5.2.1  Gordy327  replied to  XXJefferson51 @5.2    3 years ago
The condescending arrogantly gullible believe that science has all the answers to everything and that there’s no place for religion in anyone’s life and that it can’t provide anything of value to anyone.  

Who specifically says that? No one claims science has all the answers. Science searches for answers and gathers evidence. But it doesn't invent answers for the sake of having an answer, unlike religion. As for religion having a place or value, that's entirely up to the individual.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
5.2.2  TᵢG  replied to  XXJefferson51 @5.2    3 years ago
The condescending arrogantly gullible believe that science has all the answers to everything ...

There is no such belief.   You demonstrate yet again a profound ignorance of science.   If anything, 'science' holds that the more we learn the more questions we uncover.

But science has answered most questions that used to be 'answered' only by organized religions.   Organized religions continue to diminish as the authorities of knowledge.   The only question they can 'answer' are those where there is no scientific answer (i.e. based on solid evidence and continuous formal verification) and thus they are free to invent an 'answer' and present it to the gullible as truth.

You have noted in the past that you believe the bullshit from Ken Ham that human beings are not the result of evolution and have only been around for <10,000 years.

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
6  JBB    3 years ago

That's nice. Prove it...

 
 
 
Gordy327
Professor Expert
6.1  Gordy327  replied to  JBB @6    3 years ago

Hey, that's my line! jrSmiley_9_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
6.1.1  JBB  replied to  Gordy327 @6.1    3 years ago

Imitation is the highest form of flattery...

 
 
 
Gordy327
Professor Expert
6.1.2  Gordy327  replied to  JBB @6.1.1    3 years ago

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XXJefferson51
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7  seeder  XXJefferson51    3 years ago

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XXJefferson51
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8  seeder  XXJefferson51    3 years ago

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JohnRussell
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8.1  JohnRussell  replied to  XXJefferson51 @8    3 years ago

You are the only person on this site that tries to post Bible verses to promote your religious belief. 

Talk about Christianity without using Bible verses and you probably wont have any problem. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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8.1.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  JohnRussell @8.1    3 years ago

I found this from Ben Carson’s church that is a personal account of it. Perhaps you will like what she saw better…,

Autobiographical Sketch of Ellen G. White

My First Vision

On to Heaven

We all entered the cloud together, and were seven days ascending to the sea of glass, when Jesus brought the crowns and with His own right hand placed them on our heads. He gave us harps of gold and palms of victory. Here on the sea of glass the 144,000 stood in a perfect square. Some of them had very bright crowns, others not so bright. Some crowns appeared heavy with stars, while others had but few. All were perfectly satisfied with their crowns. And they were all clothed with a glorious white mantle from their shoulders to their feet. Angels were all about us as we marched over the sea of glass to the gate of the city. Jesus raised His mighty, glorious arm, laid hold of the pearly gate, swung it back on its glittering hinges, and said to us, "You have washed your robes in My blood, stood stiffly for My truth; enter in." We all marched in and felt that we had a perfect right in the city.

Here we saw the tree of life and the throne of God. Out of the throne came a pure river of water, and on either side of the river was the tree of life. On one side of the river was a trunk of a tree, and a trunk on the other side of the river, both of pure, transparent gold. At first I thought I saw two trees. I looked again, and saw that they were united at the top in one tree. So it was the tree of life on either side of the river of life. Its branches bowed to the place where we stood, and the fruit was glorious; it looked like gold mixed with silver.

We all went under the tree, and sat down to look at the glory of the place, when Brethren Fitch and Stockman, who had preached the gospel of the kingdom, and whom God had laid in the grave to save them, came up to us and asked us what we had passed through while they were sleeping. We tried to call up our greatest trials, but they looked so small compared with the far more exceeding and eternal weight of glory that surrounded us, that we could not speak them out, and we all cried out, "Alleluia! heaven is cheap enough!" and we touched our glorious harps and made heaven's arches ring.

After I came out of vision, everything seemed changed; a gloom was spread over all that I beheld. Oh, how dark this world looked to me! I wept when I found myself here, and felt homesick. I had seen a better world, and it had spoiled this for me.

I related this vision to the believers in Portland, who had full confidence that it was from God. They all believed that God had chosen this way, after the great disappointment in October, to comfort and strengthen His people. The Spirit of the Lord attended the testimony, and the solemnity of eternity rested upon us. An unspeakable awe filled me, that I, so young and feeble, should be chosen as the instrument by which God would give light to His people. While under the power of the Lord, I was filled with joy, seeming to be surrounded by holy angels in the glorious courts of heaven, where all is peace and gladness; and it was a sad and bitter change to wake up to the realities of mortal life.

(Christian Experience and Teachings of Ellen G. White, pp. 59-61)

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This from one of the founders of the Protestant evangelical Christian denomination.  What do you think?  
 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
8.1.2  JohnRussell  replied to  XXJefferson51 @8.1.1    3 years ago

"Visions" do not prove the existence of heaven. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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8.1.3  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  JohnRussell @8.1.2    3 years ago

All of the stories in Ainsley’s series are basically visions people have had.  Visions are the only way humans are going learn about what Heaven is like outside of reading biblical descriptions of it that God the father or the son showed those inspired to write the various books of the Bible.  

 
 

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