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Biden Forms ‘Disinformation Board’ to Go After Critics — Official Heading It Played Role in Shutting Down Hunter Biden Story

  
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By:   Kyle Becker

Biden Forms ‘Disinformation Board’ to Go After Critics — Official Heading It Played Role in Shutting Down Hunter Biden Story
“Disinformation Board” within the Department of Homeland Security to target the Democratic Party’s critics. The provocative move — carried out in the aftermath of Elon Musk’s stunning purchase of Big Tech platform Twitter — appears to be a desperate attempt to rein in growing discontent at the Biden administration online. The political intentions behind the maneuver are revealed by the DHS official that has been tapped to lead the administration’s version of the ‘Ministry of Truth.’

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Biden Forms ‘Disinformation Board’ to Go After Critics — Official Heading It Played Role in Shutting Down Hunter Biden Story



by Kyle Becker 30 minutes ago


The Biden administration is abandoning all semblance of Constitutional government by forming a “Disinformation Board” within the Department of Homeland Security to target the Democratic Party’s critics.

The provocative move — carried out in the aftermath of Elon Musk’s stunning purchase of Big Tech platform Twitter — appears to be a desperate attempt to rein in growing discontent at the Biden administration online.

The political intentions behind the maneuver are revealed by the DHS official that has been tapped to lead the administration’s version of the ‘ Ministry of Truth .’

“President Biden has set up a toothless ‘disinformation’ board headed-up by a woke so-called expert who’s against free speech and tried to pour cold water on the Hunter laptop scandal,” the Daily Mail reported .

“Nina Jankowicz will head The Department of Homeland Security’s Disinformation Governance Board as executive director, Politico Playbook reported Wednesday morning,” the report noted.

“Homeland Security Secretary Alejandor Mayorkas did not disclose any powers that would be granted to the dystopian-sounding board while addressing lawmakers on Wednesday,” the report added. “He explained that the board would work to tackle disinformation ahead of the November midterms, particularly in Hispanic communities.”

“But Mayorkas did say that the new board would come under the Biden-era Center for Prevention Programs and Partnerships (CP3), meaning it would have no powers to crack down on disinformation and will instead try to combat it by throwing money at what it sees as problems,” the Mail reported.

Jankowicz announced that she would be leading the Disinformation Board on Wednesday.


“Cat’s out of the bag: here’s what I’ve been up to the past two months, and why I’ve been a bit quiet on here,” Jankowicz said. “Honored to be serving in the Biden Administration @DHSgov and helping shape our counter-disinformation efforts.”

She also added her official portrait and said, “Now that I’ve got it: a HUGE focus of our work, and indeed, one of the key reasons the Board was established, is to maintain the Dept’s committment to protecting free speech, privacy, civil rights, & civil liberties.”


However, despite her purported interest in protecting “free speech” and “civil liberties,” she issued a recent statement that strongly suggests she is no fan of Elon Musk’s acquisition of Twitter.

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“Last week I told @NPRMichel: I shudder to think about if free speech absolutists were taking over more platforms, what that would look like for the marginalized communities… which are already shouldering… disproportionaite amounts of this abuse,” she claimed.

The DHS official has been involved in controversies regarding purported ‘disinformation’ with huge political consequences.


“When stories about Hunter Biden’s laptop started emerging, several outlets, social media sites and left-leaning disinformation experts claimed that it was just misinformation coming from Trump and others on the right,” the Daily Mail noted.

“In an October 2020 report, Jankowicz shared her skepticism of the contents of the laptop and the claims it belonged to Hunter,” the report added.

“We should view it as a Trump campaign product,” Jankowicz had told the New York Daily News.

The Disinformation Board headed by Jankowicz would be forbidden under the U.S.’ Constitution’s First Amendment from demanding censorship without respecting Americans’ due process rights.

“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances,” the First Amendment states. Congress is not authorized to pass enforceable laws that violate the U.S. Constitution.

The Supreme Court has ruled on free speech cases that specifically involve making ‘false statements.’ There are more than “100 federal criminal statutes punish false statements in areas of concern to federal courts or agencies, and the Court has often noted the limited First Amendment value of such speech.

Although SCOTUS has recognized that false statements knowingly issued to federal courts and government agencies may be punishable under the law, citizens’ non-libelous false statements made in the public forum generally fall under First Amendment protection.

“In an opinion by Justice Kennedy, four Justices distinguished false statement statutes that threaten the integrity of governmental processes or that further criminal activity, and evaluated the Act under a strict scrutiny standard,” Justia noted.

In regards to the Stolen Valor Act that would outlaw falsely claiming military service, Justice Kennedy suggested that upholding this law would ‘leave the government with the power to punish any false discourse without a clear limiting principle.’

“Justice Breyer, in a separate opinion joined by Justice Kagan, concurred in judgment, but did so only after evaluating the prohibition under an intermediate scrutiny standard,” Justia added. “While Justice Breyer was also concerned about the breadth of the act, his opinion went on to suggest that a similar statute, more finely tailored to situations where a specific harm is likely to occur, could withstand legal challenge.”

There have also been Supreme Court cases denying the government’s ability to censor or chill speech due to citizens allegedly taking ‘offense.’

“Legislation intended to prevent offense of individuals and groups of people has also been struck down as unconstitutional,” Justia notes . “For example, in Matal v. Tam , the Supreme Court considered a federal law prohibiting the registration of trademarks that ‘may disparage . . . or bring . . . into contempt[ ] or disrepute’ any ‘persons, living or dead’.”

“The Court held that the disparagement provision violates the Free Speech Clause as ‘[i]t offends a bedrock First Amendment principle: Speech may not be banned on the ground that it expresses ideas that offend’,” SCOTUS held.

Whether or not the Disinformation Board actually takes action against Americans’ rights under the U.S. Constitution, the Biden administration is sending a chilling message loud-and-clear: It is no advocate of free speech and will do everything within its power to limit it if deemed politically advantageous to do so.


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Tessylo
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1.2  Tessylo  replied to  XXJefferson51 @1    2 years ago

What Hunter Biden story???????????????????????????????????

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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1.2.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Tessylo @1.2    2 years ago

Well there are so many of them now… 

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.2.2  Tessylo  replied to  XXJefferson51 @1.2.1    2 years ago

There aren't really any except the ones that you all keep making up.  

 
 
 
goose is back
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1.2.3  goose is back  replied to  Tessylo @1.2    2 years ago
What Hunter Biden story??

The Hunter Biden story that will end Joe Biden's Presidency. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.2.4  Tessylo  replied to  goose is back @1.2.3    2 years ago
"What Hunter Biden story??"
"The Hunter Biden story that will end Joe Biden's Presidency."

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That's the funniest thing I've heard in a long time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 
 
 
arkpdx
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1.2.5  arkpdx  replied to  Tessylo @1.2    2 years ago

No one believes that you are really that stupid. You know exactly what Hunter Biden story they are discussing. 

 
 
 
arkpdx
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1.2.6  arkpdx  replied to  goose is back @1.2.3    2 years ago

No offense goose but I hope you are weongr. His presidency needs to last until inauguration day in 2025 other wise there will be a Kamala Harris presidency and as bad as Biden is Harris is even worse. 

 
 
 
goose is back
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1.2.7  goose is back  replied to  arkpdx @1.2.6    2 years ago

I agree 100%, hopefully they won't impeach him and just run him out of a 2nd term. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.3  Vic Eldred  replied to  XXJefferson51 @1    2 years ago

You nailed it - the story of the day. Musk buys Twitter and DHS creates a censorship board.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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1.3.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.3    2 years ago

A new Hope and then The empire strikes back

 
 
 
Snuffy
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1.3.2  Snuffy  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.3    2 years ago

ummm,  with their own police force?  Considering how Washington has abused the power in the past why should we not be concerned when the federal government creates an official federal level censorship board?

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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1.3.3  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Snuffy @1.3.2    2 years ago

The federal government wants its own MBFC…

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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2  Sean Treacy    2 years ago

Musk, who is no conservative, had created a massive panic just by stating Twitter should be politically neutral.

progressives are freaked out by the prospect of a level playing field.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @2    2 years ago
Musk, who is no conservative, had created a massive panic

LOL

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.1.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1    2 years ago

Musk is not a conservative.  He’s a libertarian.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.1.2  Tessylo  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.1.1    2 years ago

That's as bad as a republican but nothing could be worse than a republican though libertarians are right up there.  

 
 
 
Snuffy
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2.1.3  Snuffy  replied to  Tessylo @2.1.2    2 years ago

Question - do you want total 100% government control of your life where they manage every piece of your life and make all your decisions?  Or do you want to be able to maintain some personal control of your life and the ability to make your own decisions that impact you?

If you lean towards the latter then you have some Libertarian in you after all...   

It's like everything else in life, the degree of something matters.  Too much of one thing is bad but a mix of things can be better.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.1.4  Tessylo  replied to  Snuffy @2.1.3    2 years ago

What's the expression - you're preaching to the choir?  I disagree.  You're way off regarding this government control nonsense.  

As far as I'm concerned - today's gop/gqp/alleged conservatives/republicans - don't give a shit about anyone but themselves, just like libertarians.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.1.5  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Tessylo @2.1.2    2 years ago

 Because personal freedoms, individual rights, and a sense of liberty for all is anathema to the secular progressive elites 

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.1.6  Tessylo  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.1.5    2 years ago

That's a lie.  It's also ignorant.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.1.7  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Tessylo @2.1.4    2 years ago

The perfect reason thst this article is perfectly placed in the group it was seeded from…,

 
 
 
Snuffy
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2.1.8  Snuffy  replied to  Tessylo @2.1.4    2 years ago

Unfortunately this is the type of response I expected to see, completely ignoring what I said and deflecting to slam the Republican party.  Until we can remember that broad-brushing any complaint or criticism is as wrong as what someone is trying to point out we can never fix the underlying problems.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.1.9  Tessylo  replied to  Snuffy @2.1.8    2 years ago

Yeah, yeah, yeah.  YET YOU NEVER COMPLAIN ABOUT THE REPUBLICANS, NEVER, EXCEPT TO COMPARE THEM TO THE DEMOCRATS, WHEN THERE IS NO COMPARISON.

 
 
 
Snuffy
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2.1.10  Snuffy  replied to  Tessylo @2.1.9    2 years ago

guess  you missed my comments the other day about Trump then.  He is after all a member of the Republican party.  So your comment, about all I can say is 

A SWING AND A MISS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.1.11  Tessylo  replied to  Snuffy @2.1.10    2 years ago

Nope.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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2.1.12  Right Down the Center  replied to  Tessylo @2.1.11    2 years ago
Nope.

Strike 2

 
 
 
Snuffy
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2.1.13  Snuffy  replied to  Right Down the Center @2.1.12    2 years ago

Some people just can't help themselves.  They remain deliberately obtuse and twist their logic into pretzel shapes to support their side for everything while refusing to see the world.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.1.14  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Tessylo @2.1.6    2 years ago

It’s the truth and thus it is the height of intelligent thought.  

 
 
 
Gsquared
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2.1.15  Gsquared  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.1.14    2 years ago

Comment 2.1.5 is a fraud.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.1.16  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Gsquared @2.1.15    2 years ago

The whole concept of freedom of expression and free speech is the antithesis of the content of post  2.1.15…

 
 
 
Gsquared
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2.1.17  Gsquared  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.1.16    2 years ago

Comment 2.1.16 is nonsensical gibberish.  

Comment 2.1.15 references the lunatic fringe reactionary extremist raving in Comment 2.1.5, correctly and appropriately describing it as a fraud.

How that could be the "antithesis" of freedom of expression and free speech can't possibly be rationally supported and can only be dismissed with contempt.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.1.18  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Gsquared @2.1.17    2 years ago

You are now on ignore.  Please do not respond further to any of my seeds or posts.  

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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I think that the fact that there are so many Americans who see nothing wrong with INTENTIONALLY LYING to the public with the intent to mislead them can't possibly be for the benefit of maintaining America as an "exceptional" nation.  Nobody can deny that it is possible to cause horrible disasters by permitting disinformation in the name of "Free Speech".  There was a time when the public could trust what they were told, back in the days of Walter Cronkite, but those days are way way behind us now, aren't they.
 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @3    2 years ago

Communist and national socialist regimes past and very much present wrote the book on disinformation and how to weaponize it.  One can see why Biden is flattering and trying to imitate chairman Xi in this regard.  

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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3.1.1  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.1    2 years ago

My comment was about disinformation in America and your comment is neither a defence nor a disagreement with it but just an attempt to deflect from the truth with your usual negativity about Xi Jinping - of course you're entitled to go off topic on your own seed if that's what you need to do. 

 
 
 
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Are you trying to justify the draconian dictatorial lockdowns over there?

 
 
 
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3.1.3  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Greg Jones @3.1.2    2 years ago

Who sent you?  (a quote from the movie Easy Rider when Dennis Hopper tried to join a conversation between a hippie commune leader and Peter Fonda).

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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The political intentions behind the maneuver are revealed by the DHS official that has been tapped to lead the administration’s version of the ‘ Ministry of Truth .’

“President Biden has set up a toothless ‘disinformation’ board headed-up by a woke so-called expert who’s against free speech and tried to pour cold water on the Hunter laptop scandal,” the Daily Mail reported .

“Homeland Security Secretary Alejandor Mayorkas did not disclose any powers that would be granted to the dystopian-sounding board while addressing lawmakers on Wednesday,” the report added. “He explained that the board would work to tackle disinformation ahead of the November midterms, particularly in Hispanic communities.”
 
 
 
Texan1211
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3.2.1  Texan1211  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.2    2 years ago

Leave it to stumblin' Joe to create something totally unnecessary, and expect the left to cheer this momentous occasion.

LOL!

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.2.2  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Texan1211 @3.2.1    2 years ago

Tucker Carlson is going to lead his show tomorrow night with that issue.  He called it the biggest assault on the 1st amendment in a century.  That would date it to just after progressive President Woodrow Wilson and Palmer and their actions which were actually worse. Tucker gets it right yet again.  

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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3.2.3  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.2    2 years ago

Well, before we pass judgment, let's see what they do (or don't do) first.  

 
 
 
Snuffy
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3.2.4  Snuffy  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @3.2.3    2 years ago

Why should the right wait on this?  The left surely didn't wait to see what Musk is going to do with Twitter before they piled on him.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.2.5  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Snuffy @3.2.4    2 years ago

Great point!  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.2.6  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @3.2.3    2 years ago

Department of Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas on Wednesday told Congress that his agency has created a "Disinformation Governance Board."

His announcement comes two days after Elon Musk reached a deal to purchase Twitter.

Rep. Lauren Underwood (D-Ill.) askedMayorkas what DHS was doing to combat the targeting of minorities in disinformation campaigns during a House Appropriations Committee hearing on Wednesday.

Mayorkas said that DHS was establishing the board with Undersecretary for Policy Rob Silvers and Principal Deputy General Counsel Jennifer Gaskill as cochairs.

"The goal is to bring the resources of the department together to address this threat," he said.
 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.2.7  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.2.6    2 years ago
https://justthenews.com/government/federal-agencies/mayorkas-announces-dhs-disinformation-governance-board-two-days-after
 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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3.2.8  Right Down the Center  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.2.6    2 years ago
Rep. Lauren Underwood (D-Ill.) asked Mayorkas what DHS was doing to combat the targeting of minorities in disinformation campaigns during a House Appropriations Committee hearing on Wednesday.

Mayorkas said that DHS was establishing the board with Undersecretary for Policy Rob Silvers and Principal Deputy General Counsel Jennifer Gaskill as cochairs.

"The goal is to bring the resources of the department together to address this threat," he said.

Sounds like the government thinks minorities are too stupid to think and determine what is true and what is not so they have to be singled out and protected.  Just more proof that the left want to keep minorities ignorant and on the leftist plantations  

 
 
 
Hallux
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3.2.9  Hallux  replied to  Snuffy @3.2.4    2 years ago
Why should the right wait on this?  The left surely didn't wait

And there goes the Golden Rule out the window.

 
 
 
Snuffy
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3.2.10  Snuffy  replied to  Hallux @3.2.9    2 years ago

Oh please elucidate on how I threw the Golden Rule out the window and what pledge I broke...  

As the Golden Rule is the principle of treating others as you want to be treated, just asking why one side should wait if the other side didn't is hardly breaking the Golden Rule.  But perhaps you have a different understanding..

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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3.2.11  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Snuffy @3.2.4    2 years ago

LOL.  I guess I should have said only that I'm going to wait and see what they do before I pass judgment.  Everyone else is entitled to jump to conclusions.  

 
 
 
Snuffy
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3.2.12  Snuffy  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @3.2.11    2 years ago

yep...   the way some people on this board act and respond, it's easy to build up a mental image of what the person looks like and I will admit that for some of them the image is not pretty.  But at least by jumping to conclusions they get some exercise.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.2.13  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @3.2.11    2 years ago

I don’t think we should wait and see what this “board” might do.  It needs to be exposed and stopped now, killed in the crib of its inception.  The last thing we need is a government big tech hybrid social credit system determining anything about us.  

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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3.2.14  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.2.13    2 years ago

I'll stick to my opinion.  I think we should wait to see how Musk handles Twitter as well.

 
 
 
goose is back
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3.3  goose is back  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @3    2 years ago
I think that the fact that there are so many Americans who see nothing wrong with INTENTIONALLY LYING to the public with the intent to mislead them can't possibly be for the benefit of maintaining America as an "exceptional" nation. 

Who are you referring to when you state this as FACT?

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.3.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  goose is back @3.3    2 years ago

That’s what I’d like to know.  

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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3.4  Jack_TX  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @3    2 years ago
Nobody can deny that it is possible to cause horrible disasters by permitting disinformation in the name of "Free Speech". 

Nobody ever said living in a free society came without risks.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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3.4.1  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Jack_TX @3.4    2 years ago
"Nobody ever said living in a free society came without risks."

Ah, so you agree then that disasters can be caused by permitting disinformation in the name of free speech.  Good for you.  Hope you or your loved ones never experience such a disaster, notwithstanding your agreeing to the risk.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.4.2  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Jack_TX @3.4    2 years ago

Exactly.  It amazes me how a person could spend a large portion of their life living and working in a political and economic system so much like ours and then totally reject it..,

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.4.3  Vic Eldred  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.4.2    2 years ago

Even when they have benefited greatly from it, they reject it!

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.4.4  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @3.4.1    2 years ago

Personal freedom, individual rights, and general  liberty are well worth the risk some might abuse such God given inalienable rights.  

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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3.4.5  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.4.4    2 years ago

Did God appear as a burning bush and write those "inalienable rights" on stone tablets with fingers of fire?  Do you have proof that those "inalienable rights" were given by God, because if you can't prove it then maybe they're not so "inaleinable" as you preach, pastor.  Besides, "freedom" has its limitations no matter where you are in this world, which is something that only a fool would deny.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.4.6  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @3.4.5    2 years ago

I’ll accept Thomas Jefferson’s word for it when he wrote the communist worlds most hated document, the Declaration of Independence of the United States of America. 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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3.4.7  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.4.6    2 years ago

LOL.  If the Declaration of Independence of the United States of America WERE the Communist world's most hated document, then for a lot of reasons I would have known that, so it's nothing more than yet another ingnorant comment made in an attempt to deflect from America's present problems. 

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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3.4.8  Jack_TX  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @3.4.1    2 years ago
Ah, so you agree then that disasters can be caused by permitting disinformation in the name of free speech.

It's possible.  But compared to the disasters we've seen in the last century alone that involve the suppression of free speech, I'll go with more free speech every time.

Hope you or your loved ones never experience such a disaster, notwithstanding your agreeing to the risk.

Your position is understandable, given where you live.  But...out of curiosity, what sort of disaster is the Chinese government preventing by banning YouTube?

  

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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3.4.9  Jack_TX  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @3.4.7    2 years ago
in an attempt to deflect from America's present problems. 

Let's be very clear, America always has "present problems".  They are never caused by too much free speech.

Let's also be very clear, the term "disinformation" was coined by the American far left to describe pretty much anything they don't agree with.

For decades, their true talent has been redrafting and rephrasing far-left philosophy to make it seem more palatable to the American mainstream.   Over the years, they've spun every kind of bullshit yarn from "public libraries are a form of socialism" to "people are born gay" to "enforcing immigration law is racist" to "tax cuts are a government expenditure" to "a co-pay for birth control is misogynist" and hundreds of others.  When those lunacies are soundly rejected, they change the names and reintroduce them.

The true danger here is accepting their suppression of opposing ideas.  When "there is no medical evidence to suggest people are actually born gay" is labeled "hate speech" and is suppressed, we're a less free society.  We've simply re-introduced anti-blasphemy laws but changed the religion to The Church of Liberal Politics.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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3.4.10  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Jack_TX @3.4.8    2 years ago

I did not say ALL disasters can be caused by disinformation.  My comment was not a generalization, so please don't try to put words in my mouth by twisting what I said.  Different governments have different rules.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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3.4.11  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Jack_TX @3.4.9    2 years ago
"Let's also be very clear, the term "disinformation" was coined by the American far left to describe pretty much anything they don't agree with."

I'm quite happy with the dictionary definition of the term, whether or not you agree or disagree with the dictionary.  But then I only majored in English Literature, was Editor-in-Chief of my university newspaper, had to use perfect English to draft legal documents, and taught high school English for six years and privately for a number of years after that, so maybe your interpretation of the word is better than mine, eh?

The remainder of your comment is devoted to establishing something that both sides are participants in doing - so?  I didn't drink bleach or inject a disinfectant in order to prevent catching the virus. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.4.12  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Jack_TX @3.4.8    2 years ago

I wonder what kind of disaster they are trying to prevent by locking up and starving out Shanghai and demanding they not express what is happening and abandon all urges toward freedom? The videos of the natural result of no freedom, rights, or liberty have been aired repeatedly here.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.4.13  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @3.4.11    2 years ago
I didn't drink bleach or inject a disinfectant in order to prevent catching the virus. 

I know of no one who who did that or suggested it.  Just out of curiosity, did you get a western pharmaceutical vaccine or a Chinese version? I had the Pfizer mRNA two dose one.  

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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3.4.14  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.4.12    2 years ago

I personally agree with the Zero-Covid policy, and nobody is starving to death - even Chinese people are entitled to complain about inconveniences, and western media are ecstatically exaggerating them.  Personally, I feel a lot safer here because of how it's being handled.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.4.15  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @3.4.14    2 years ago

They exaggerated nothing.  Just showed actual video that was smuggled out one way or another. The beating of dogs to death, piling cats in disposal bags to be starved to death, the apartment towers filling the air with screaming yelling citizens, the drones directing people to abandon all freedom all in uninterrupted horror.  

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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3.4.16  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.4.15    2 years ago

We originally went through a complete lockdown where I live and it was NOTHING like that.  I recall there was an incident recently of someone overreacting and killing a dog and the social news sites here recorded millions of complaints about that, but the dystopian horrors you describe?  Not a peep, so I don't believe it or it is a created video meant to stir the pot.  No respectable news site has shown or even referred to such a video, but I'm sure the Washington Examiner would if it could.  

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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3.4.17  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.4.15    2 years ago

I just spoke to my wife about her cousins, two separate families related to her who live in Shanghai.  She has kept in touch with them, and they have been locked down for more than a month.  However, their life has been no different for them as it was for us when we were locked down.  Food and medications and any other necessary matters such as required repairs are all ordered by internet and delivered to the door.  They have not been starved, and they have not suffered at all.  So this is the REALITY of it, and I know that there are those who will do whatever it takes to demonize China, and suckers repeat it, or for some reason WANT to believe it, or have a bone to pick with China and I don't think I have to point at whom I mean by that. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.4.18  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @3.4.17    2 years ago
Posted By Tim Hains
On Date April 11, 2022

FNC's Tucker Carlson on Monday addressed troubling videos from China in recent weeks as Shanghai is locked down for Covid-19.

"We are just beginning to reckon with the nightmare that all of us have lived through and it's impossible to imagine living through it again."

"But in China, they are living through it again," he said.




 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.4.19  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.4.18    2 years ago

The entire written transcript is provided 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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3.4.20  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.4.18    2 years ago

There is no way my wife's relatives in Shanghai have been lying to her, and there is no way my wife is lying to me.  You can believe what you want, and I'll believe what I iknow to be correct.  Sure, the methods to actually END the spread of the virus are extreme, but that's what it takes.  That's what it took where I am and I didn't need to scream from my balcony AND IT WORKED.  But you can take one or two horror stories and make a movie out of it, can't you.  You can even write an article like the one you linked to.  But then, they are there and I am here and I believe what I see with my own eyes AND what my wife's relatives tell her, and what she tells me.  

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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3.4.21  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.4.19    2 years ago

This is a more accurate story, one that I can believe.  It is not published by a Chinese site, but on npr, which I consider a relatively unbiased and fair news site.  This relating of the Shanghai situation is more in keeping with what my wife's Shanghai relatves have experienced and told my wife, and it DOES speak of momentary drakonian situations, such as the fencing, and food shortage, but also that they were corrected , and the amusement that the residents have with the messages from the drones.  

When this Shanghai building went into COVID lockdown, my WeChat message group blew up

(LINK to the npr report) ->

It's no surprise to me that there are American news sites that will accentuate the American motive of demonizing China by cherry-picking the worst things they can find to report, and using incendiary language as in the report you linked to.  Sure the people screamed when the fences went up, and what YOUR reports will NEVER indicate is that THEY WERE THEN IMMEDIATELY TAKEN DOWN. The npr report makes it clear that life for those locked down is not so bad as YOU want it to be, and the final result of Zero-Covid is not going to be even in same universe as 80 million infections and almost a million deaths in the "Number One Nation".

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.4.22  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.4.18    2 years ago

so that the rest of the world might see the truth. 

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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3.4.23  Jack_TX  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @3.4.11    2 years ago
I'm quite happy with the dictionary definition of the term, whether or not you agree or disagree with the dictionary.  But then I only majored in English Literature, was Editor-in-Chief of my university newspaper, had to use perfect English to draft legal documents, and taught high school English for six years and privately for a number of years after that, so maybe your interpretation of the word is better than mine, eh

Given your experience, you'll no doubt be exceedingly familiar with large number English words American liberals have redefined to advance their views.

Or maybe you think "woke" is still a verb.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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3.4.24  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Jack_TX @3.4.23    2 years ago

LOL.  Although to me "woke" is still the past tense of the verb "wake", at least I'm aware of the more recent tendency to bastardize the language, and you're right - not only do I not know what the liberals mean by it, I really don't give a damn.  I'm too old to learn a different language, and although I've lived in China for almost 16 years I can't speak Chinese either, so CUL8R.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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3.4.25  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.4.22    2 years ago

You can believe what you cannot have personal knowledge about yourself if you want and I'll believe what I have personal knowledge of and I really don't give a damn about your bullshit.  Spread your propaganda as much as you want about China - I know how much you hate China because is controls your religion from proselytizing and prevents the public advertising of Christianity such as posting your crosses up on top of high steeples.  LOL  I'm sure that Xi JInping ignores your attempts to insult him - after all, you know very well that sticks and stones can break bones, but names will never hurt.  Your comments are so fucking childish I can't stop myself from laughing at them.  Why don't you go to some other site where the people will take your comments seriously and stop dirtying this one with them. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.4.26  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @3.4.25    2 years ago

I don’t hate the Chinese people at all.  Just like I didn’t hate the Russian people in the 1960’s -1990 during that first Cold War.  I dislike strongly the government and communist party of both equally.  I believe everything about the Communist Party of China that Reagan believed the pre Gorbachev Soviet Union to be.  An evil empire that will lie, cheat, steal, and do anything to get its way in the world.  I understand that to you Xi’s persecution of religious believers who put their God above the state is a net plus.  I do contribute to a fund when I give to my church online that provides Bibles and radio broadcasts to the people of China. It’s all about the underground “house” church there now.  

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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3.4.27  Jack_TX  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @3.4.24    2 years ago
I'm aware of the more recent tendency to bastardize the language, and you're right - not only do I not know what the liberals mean by it, I really don't give a damn.

Neither do I, but we'll at least agree that a Webster definition of a word is rarely of value once the word in question becomes a "buzzword".  

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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3.4.28  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Jack_TX @3.4.27    2 years ago

I don't think I can agree with that, Jack.  For example, the original meaning of the word "woke" is still of value, and only if its context is meant to change its meaning to a "buzzword" can it be meaningful to those who want it to be so.  I woke up at 6:30 a.m. this morning and the "buzzword" meaning didn't even cross my mind. 

By the way, ALL my words are "buzzwords".  LOL

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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3.4.29  Jack_TX  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @3.4.28    2 years ago
and only if its context is meant to change its meaning to a "buzzword" can it be meaningful to those who want it to be so.

But we are describing various words that have been "buzzworded".  The traditional definitions are intended far less frequently than the new bastardized versions.

By the way, ALL my words are "buzzwords".  LOL

I actually thought about that as I typed the previous post.  LOL

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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3.5  Sean Treacy  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @3    2 years ago

Nobody can deny that it is possible to cause horrible disasters by permitting disinformation in the name of "Free Speech

nobody can deny that is possible to cause horrible disasters  by suppressing free speech. 

nobody can deny that it possible to cause horrible disasters by governments pushing disinformation through state propaganda outlets.

Perfection is impossible. Pointing out that no system is perfect as a way to draw false equivalencies is a dishonest debating tactic.  Sad to say, some use it constantly.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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3.5.1  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.5    2 years ago

Congratulations for admitting that perfection is impossible.  And just as Joe E Brown said at the end of the movie Some Like It Hot, "Nobody's perfect", and that includes you and me.  So consider that yet another dishonest debating tactic, because if you are arguing that saying perfection is impossible is dishonest, then you are also speaking for yourself, for whatever you post. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.5.2  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.5    2 years ago

You are exactly right.  We live in an imperfect world where risks are taken.  The risk taken by allowing for free speech and the constitutional definition of it applying to all equally is well worth it considering the dystopian or communist/fascist  alternatives 

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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4  Right Down the Center    2 years ago

Disinformation. Democrats have learned a new word and have decided to milk it for all it is worth.  Looks like they are finally starting to realize calling everyone a racist has played itself out.  Except for Joy Reid of course, she hasn't gotten the memo.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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4.1  Tessylo  replied to  Right Down the Center @4    2 years ago

You keep saying that.  Typical projection.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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4.1.1  Right Down the Center  replied to  Tessylo @4.1    2 years ago
You keep saying that.  Typical projection.

You do realize the guy who put together the disinformation board is the democrat president don't you?  You do realize my comment was about the democrats?  By definition that would mean it could not possibly be construed as projection

 
 
 
JBB
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5  JBB    2 years ago

Has the far right in America no self awareness at all?

 
 
 
Ronin2
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5.1  Ronin2  replied to  JBB @5    2 years ago

Far more than the far left; who seem to think the only free speech that matters is theirs.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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5.1.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Ronin2 @5.1    2 years ago

They falsely think that they are our superiors and have a need to content control and censor content they don’t like so that they won’t have to debate ideas, beliefs, and opinions they deem out of bounds and makes them uncomfortable to talk about or engage in thinking to deal with the above.  At least with Twitter that ridiculous mindset is being cast upon the ash heap of history.  

 
 
 
Hallux
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6  Hallux    2 years ago

So what is going on here other than 'we' are not supposed to believe anything in the left wing press but everything in the right wing press or vice versa? It's stunning that y'all don't see your opposites in the mirror; one used to go to a circus for such visual effects. But hey, we are all propagandists now ... ah equality,eh?

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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7  Greg Jones    2 years ago

Conversely...has the far left in America no self awareness at all?

 
 
 
Hallux
Professor Principal
7.1  Hallux  replied to  Greg Jones @7    2 years ago

... does the far right? Now that we've settled that dumbfuckery let us return to widening the gulf in the name of today's oxymoron, a.k.a. partisan truth.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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8  Sean Treacy    2 years ago

Democratic Party propaganda paid for by the taxpayer. 

Perfectly in line with Biden's party above country agenda. 

 
 
 
goose is back
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8.1  goose is back  replied to  Sean Treacy @8    2 years ago

Can you say Nazi Germany.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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8.1.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  goose is back @8.1    2 years ago

Yes, we can! And will…

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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8.2  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Sean Treacy @8    2 years ago

That is the way let’s go Brandon and his party do things now.  

 
 
 
goose is back
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8.2.1  goose is back  replied to  XXJefferson51 @8.2    2 years ago

I guess Democrats are to stupid to realize this could bite them in the ass when they loose Congress and then the Presidency.

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
8.2.2  JBB  replied to  goose is back @8.2.1    2 years ago

Are campaigns or administrations having rapid response teams to counter disinformation something new or peculiar to Democrats?

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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8.2.3  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  goose is back @8.2.1    2 years ago

Well, goose, most Democrats are not too stupid to know how to spell simple English words and fortunately did not lose their ability to do so. 

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
8.2.4  JBB  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @8.2.3    2 years ago

That was pretty funny. There was a troll used to always comment to me, "Your Stupid"...

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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8.2.5  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  goose is back @8.2.1    2 years ago

They operate in the here and now only it seems.  Look at the example of Harry Reid and senate rules.  He changed them for immediate advantage and almost immediately lost the senate and the Trump judicial appointments approvals were the result .  Then the instant they get power back they were going to double down on that but Sinema and Manchin saved them..

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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8.2.6  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  JBB @8.2.2    2 years ago

When it’s part of the government itself and not just a part of a campaign yes, this one is peculiar 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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8.2.7  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @8.2.3    2 years ago

Are you sure about that?  

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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8.2.8  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  XXJefferson51 @8.2.7    2 years ago

If you look hard you will see that I did not generatlize, i.e. I did not say ALL Democrats, and I would credit not only most Democrats but also most Republicans for having learned to spell simple one-syllable words before they reach high school.  But then homonyms are such a problem, since computer red-line editing doesn't underline their misuse. 

 
 
 
arkpdx
Professor Quiet
8.2.9  arkpdx  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @8.2.8    2 years ago

I guess you have never heard of typographical errors and accidentally hitting a letter twice and not noticing it until I was too late. 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
Professor Expert
8.2.10  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  arkpdx @8.2.9    2 years ago

LOL.  I make typos often enough, however the specific errors I outlined are ones that are repeated too many times by too many persons to just be typos.  Had it not been an insulting comment I would have ignored it. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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8.2.11  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  goose is back @8.2.1    2 years ago

It is stunning that some actually defend and support this censorship board to influence what free citizens might say.  

 
 

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