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Andrew Bailey's lawsuit targets New York attorney general and Manhattan DA, who both secured Trump convictions

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Andrew Bailey's lawsuit targets New York attorney general and Manhattan DA, who both secured Trump convictions

The Missouri attorney general, Andrew Bailey, has confirmed that he is suing the state of New York for election interference and wrongful prosecution for bringing the Stormy Daniels hush-money case to a trial that saw Donald Trump convicted of 34 felonies.

Bailey, a Republican politician appointed by Missouri's governor, Mike Parson, last year, said in a post on X (formerly Twitter) that he would be filing a lawsuit "against the State of New York for their direct attack on our democratic process through unconstitutional lawfare against President Trump".

"We have to fight back against a rogue prosecutor who is trying to take a presidential candidate off the campaign trail. It sabotages Missourians' right to a free and fair election," he added in a subsequent message.

The lawsuit is anticipated to be a series of similar actions against the New York attorney general, Letitia James, and the Manhattan district attorney, Alvin Bragg, over a pair of lawsuits brought against Trump or the Trump Organization and its officers. Both resulted in findings against the defendants. Trump is appealing both cases.

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Bailey claims the hush-money case was brought to smear the presumptive presidential nominee going into November's election and that New York's statute of limitations on falsification of business records, a misdemeanor, expired in 2019.

Moreover, he argues, Bragg never specified "intent to commit another crime" - namely election interference - that would have brought the charges back within time-limitation statutes.

"Radical progressives in New York are trying to rig the 2024 election. We have to stand up and fight back," Bailey told Fox News Digital on Thursday.

But Bailey also told the outlet that he recognized that any attempt by one state to sue another would probably go straight to the US supreme court. He said the investigations and subsequent prosecutions of Trump "appear to have been conducted in coordination with the United States Department of Justice".

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Next month, Matthew Colangelo, a former federal prosecutor who transferred to New York where he worked on Trump's state and city prosecutions, will be called to give evidence before Congress.

The aftershocks of Trump's 34-count criminal conviction continue to travel. On Friday, it was reported that the presumptive Republican presidential candidate had overtaken his Democratic rival, Joe Biden, in fundraising since the May verdict.


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Just Jim NC TttH
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1  seeder  Just Jim NC TttH    5 months ago

Get the popcorn. The silly season rocks on. be funny if and when he wins.

 
 
 
MrFrost
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1.1  MrFrost  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @1    5 months ago

Get the popcorn. The silly season rocks on. be funny if and when he wins.

Unlikely, sounds to me like someone is looking for a VP job. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.2  Tessylo  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @1    5 months ago

If and when he wins

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Tessylo
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1.2.1  Tessylo  replied to  Tessylo @1.2    5 months ago

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Vic Eldred
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1.2.2  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @1.2.1    5 months ago

Nope. We were very sure he would be convicted and equally sure the verdict will be overturned.

 
 
 
MrFrost
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1.2.3  MrFrost  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2.2    5 months ago
verdict will be overturned.

On what grounds?

 
 
 
Gsquared
Professor Principal
1.2.4  Gsquared  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2.2    5 months ago

Provide one legitimate reason that the verdict will be overturned.  Not political posturing, speculation or wishful thinking.  What is the actual appealable error and what is the supporting authority for your position?  "Authority" means case law or statutes, not merely the opinion of someone who might be a lawyer, unless they cite actual authorities as that term is understood in the law.

If you are aware of more than one supportable, legitimate grounds for appeal feel free to provide all of them.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
1.2.5  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2.2    5 months ago

'They're lying

We know they're lying

They know they're lying

They continue to lie'

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
1.2.6  Vic Eldred  replied to  Gsquared @1.2.4    5 months ago
Provide one legitimate reason that the verdict will be overturned. 

I already have. I'll stake my life on it. When it happens, I'll make sure that you are first to know.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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1.3  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @1    5 months ago

America is absolute heaven for litigation lawyers - parents should be directing their kids to study law. 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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1.3.1  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @1.3    5 months ago

The next thing I expect to see is someone starting a lawsuit against Andrew Bailey for starting this lawsuit.  Welcome to America, the Land of Litigation, where lawyers need to hire lawyers.  Shakespeare could have written a comedy about this debacle. 

 
 
 
JBB
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1.3.2  JBB  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @1.3.1    5 months ago

This silly suit will get thrown out and laughed out of court.

The State of Missouri has zero legal standing in this case.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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1.3.3  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  JBB @1.3.2    5 months ago

Trivial lawsuits are going to continue until there is an effective penalty for bringing them to court.  In Canada the lawyers who bring trivial matters that waste the court's time are penalized by being required to personally pay all the costs of the opposite party, including their legal fees.  Therefore very few trivial or laughable cases are brought to the courts in Canada. 

 
 
 
Split Personality
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1.3.4  Split Personality  replied to  JBB @1.3.2    5 months ago

The Previous AG, now the Missouri Senator, couldn't find diddly in 2015 when the CMP videos were found to be heavily edited like the Project Veritas tapes in CA in 2006-2008.

Bailey is just grand standing with a hypothetical case. No real victims, no assistance, no crime.

The "judge" allowed the case to go forward because the Planned Parenthood employee in the video seemed convinced by the subterfuge.   Boone County Judge Brouck Jacobs found merit for moving forward with the case. He did not issue an opinion along with his ruling explaining his reasoning.

Bailey seeks an injunction against things he cannot prove solely because he believes whole heartedly in another Project Veritas altered video .

Bailey also sued PP for health records of any trans persons they may have treated.

 
 
 
Gsquared
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2  Gsquared    5 months ago

Any judge this ridiculous case comes in front of is going to dismiss it immediately unless, of course, it comes before Matthew Kacsmaryk, the reactionary activist masquerading as a judge.  It does make Missouri a laughingstock, though.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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2.1  Greg Jones  replied to  Gsquared @2    5 months ago

Can you give us your reasons for calling this a "ridiculous" case? 

Are you trying to sell us the story that all these prosecutions of Trump, coming all together right before an election, are not blatant election interference?

 
 
 
Split Personality
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2.1.1  Split Personality  replied to  Greg Jones @2.1    5 months ago

NO standing.  The crimes were alledged in NY, tried and convicted in NY.

NY has an appeals process for Trump.

Can you imagine the choas in American law if states were allowed this kind of grandstanding?

Are you trying to sell us the story that all these prosecutions of Trump, coming all together right before an election, are not blatant election interference?

Two could have been disposed of already, (probably more guilty verdicts) except for all of the delays created by Team Trump.

 
 
 
Gsquared
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2.1.2  Gsquared  replied to  Split Personality @2.1.1    5 months ago

The reactionaries' guru Bannon commanded them to bring frivolous suits all over the country.  This guy is only following orders.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.1.3  Tessylo  replied to  Gsquared @2.1.2    5 months ago

You'd think they'd be able to add more time on to that walking talking pile of human refuse's sentence though I know they're different matters/cases

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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3  Jeremy Retired in NC    5 months ago

Bragg is going to be hard pressed to justify it not being election interference when he used a misdemeanor with an expired statute of limitations as a felony.  Especially given he ran as a "get Trump at all costs" dipshit.

 
 
 
Gsquared
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3.1  Gsquared  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @3    5 months ago

Bragg isn't going to have to justify anything.  Just for a start, there is no justiciable controversy, and Missouri has no standing to bring this case anyways.  This is nothing more than a PR gimmick by a third rate politician.

Remember when Texas tried to sue Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin over the 2020 election?  Another failed right wing PR stunt.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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3.1.1  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Gsquared @3.1    5 months ago
  Just for a start, there is no justiciable controversy

That you are going to admit to.  

Missouri has no standing to bring this case anyways.

And exactly why would that be?

 
 
 
Gsquared
Professor Principal
3.1.2  Gsquared  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @3.1.1    5 months ago
Just for a start, there is no justiciable controversy
That you are going to admit to

I think you meant to say "That I am going to admit to".  As you should admit, since there is absolutely no justiciable controversy raised by this ridiculous lawsuit.

Missouri has no standing to bring this case anyways
And exactly why would that be?

You're kidding, right?  What standing does Missouri have to challenge a New York state criminal conviction on any grounds?

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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3.1.3  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Gsquared @3.1.2    5 months ago

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JBB
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3.1.4  JBB  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @3.1.3    5 months ago

Trump broke New York laws committing felony offenses in New York for which he was indicted in New York, charged in New York, tried in New York and convicted by a New York jury in New York!

Missouri has No Standing!

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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3.1.5  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JBB @3.1.4    5 months ago
Trump broke New York laws committing felony

Misdemeanor with expired Statute of Limitations.  Try again.

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
3.1.6  JBB  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @3.1.5    5 months ago

Then Trump must get a New Yorker lawyer to take it to a New York judge in a New York court in New York where Trump's first New York appeal is already DENIED by a New York judge in New York!

 
 
 
Gsquared
Professor Principal
3.1.7  Gsquared  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @3.1.3    5 months ago
Still waiting.

What are you waiting for? Missouri has no standing to challenge a prosecution under New York state law. It's as simple as that.[]

 
 
 
Gsquared
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3.1.8  Gsquared  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @3.1.5    5 months ago
Misdemeanor with expired Statute of Limitations

How does that become a justiciable controversy for Missouri's lawsuit or give Missouri any standing to sue?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.1.9  Vic Eldred  replied to  Gsquared @3.1    5 months ago
Bragg isn't going to have to justify anything. 

A House Committee is going to make him do just that.

 
 
 
MrFrost
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3.1.10  MrFrost  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.9    5 months ago

A House Committee is going to make him do just that.

Should take about 30 seconds....

"Trump was guilty, that's why.."

Mic drop and walk out the door. 

 
 
 
Gsquared
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3.1.11  Gsquared  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.9    5 months ago

A House Committee run by Jim Jordan?  Marjorie Taylor Greene?  That will be a joke.

All Bragg needs to state is that his office followed the facts and the law.  Nothing else is required.

Instead of a House Committee questioning the legitimacy of Bragg's prosecution, the real question is the legitimacy of a House Committee involving itself in a local criminal trial.  That will be viewed by the public as an unjustifiable political witch hunt, the only thing the Republicans in the House seem capable of doing.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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3.1.12  Texan1211  replied to  Gsquared @3.1.11    5 months ago

Always amusing to see a statement like:

All Bragg needs to state is that his office followed the facts and the law.  Nothing else is required.

preceded by this type of comment:

A House Committee run by Jim Jordan?  Marjorie Taylor Greene?  That will be a joke
 
 
 
Gsquared
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3.1.13  Gsquared  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1.12    5 months ago

Comment 3.1.12 is a feeble parody of an "internet discussion".

 
 
 
Texan1211
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3.1.14  Texan1211  replied to  Gsquared @3.1.13    5 months ago

Gee, just like 3.1.11 and 3.1.13.

 
 
 
Gsquared
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3.1.15  Gsquared  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1.14    5 months ago

Then we are in agreement that your comment was feeble.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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3.1.16  Texan1211  replied to  Gsquared @3.1.15    5 months ago
Then we are in agreement that your comment was feeble

That's imaginative.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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3.1.17  Tessylo  replied to  Gsquared @3.1.8    5 months ago

I don't know why some are allowed to tirelessly taunt and troll and deflect and deny and lie and whine and piss and moan and never offer a single worthwhile contribution/post/statement

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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3.1.18  Right Down the Center  replied to  Tessylo @3.1.17    5 months ago

It boggles my mind also. 

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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3.1.19  seeder  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Tessylo @3.1.17    5 months ago

That commentary is dripping with irony...............SMH

 
 
 
Snuffy
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3.1.20  Snuffy  replied to  Tessylo @3.1.17    5 months ago

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CB
Professor Principal
3.1.21  CB  replied to  Gsquared @3.1.15    5 months ago

Gsquared, there are 'lawyerly' questions being asked for which the answer is known already as DIRECTLY unknowable because of a lack of direct knowledge to explore, and any INDIRECT answer when given would not suffice (or add anything useful) to a discussion. A trap.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
3.1.22  CB  replied to  Tessylo @3.1.17    5 months ago

I don't know why either! It's clearly not being done in 'good faith."  And it's death to the spirit of discussion, in my opinion.

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Guide
3.2  Tacos!  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @3    5 months ago
Bragg is going to be hard pressed to justify it not being election interference when he used a misdemeanor with an expired statute of limitations as a felony.

That’s super common, actually.

Especially given he ran as a "get Trump at all costs" dipshit.

First, most DAs run on a promise to prioritize this or that crime or criminal or class of criminals. It gives the people a reason to vote for them.

Second, he didn’t start the investigation. The previous DA did. Bragg just completed a case that was already ongoing when he took office.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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3.2.1  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Tacos! @3.2    5 months ago
First, most DAs run on a promise to prioritize this or that crime or criminal or class of criminals.

And here we are.  A DA who run on just that.

Second, he didn’t start the investigation.

You're right.  Even the Biden DOJ chose to drop it.  But not Bragg.  I wonder why.

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Guide
3.2.2  Tacos!  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @3.2.1    5 months ago
Even the Biden DOJ chose to drop it.  But not Bragg.  I wonder why.

I wasn’t referring to the DOJ. I said “previous DA.” The investigation was started under the previous Manhattan DA, Cyrus Vance.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
3.2.3  CB  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @3.2.1    5 months ago

Feeling aggrieved and wonderment are not legal grounds to sue another state over an illusion of 'injury.'

 
 
 
Gsquared
Professor Principal
3.2.4  Gsquared  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @3.2.1    5 months ago

Do you believe any of that provides grounds, or grants standing, for Missouri to bring this lawsuit?

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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3.2.5  Greg Jones  replied to  Gsquared @3.2.4    5 months ago

As Missouri AG, he probably knows the law and what he can do[]

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Guide
3.2.6  MrFrost  replied to  Greg Jones @3.2.5    5 months ago

As Missouri AG, he probably knows the law and what he can do better than all the keyboard lawyers here.

So what was the crime? In what way was Missouri damaged? Trump isn't even a resident of that state. 

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Guide
3.2.7  Split Personality  replied to  Greg Jones @3.2.5    5 months ago

Most Missouri AGs are elected by voters who get to evaluate and pick their candidates.

Bailey was appointed by the current Governor and should be the poster boy for Christian conservative

values and he worships Trump.

He probably knows something of the law but not any better than the two or three lawyers on this thread.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
3.2.8  Tessylo  replied to  Tacos! @3.2    5 months ago

To my knowledge, the previous DA thought Bragg wasn't moving fast enough, I could be wrong though.

 
 
 
Igknorantzruls
Sophomore Quiet
3.2.9  Igknorantzruls  replied to  Greg Jones @3.2.5    5 months ago
As Missouri AG, he probably knows

how to get him self some grand ole attention from his base, and notoriety, as it seems almost ALL of the GOP are on bended knee, with knee [pads waiting to service Teeny tiny mushroom "man", the Lying clown with the

tiny hands

down some poor girls pants

cause he says they let em', well at least at $135,000.00 per and  payment now due in advance.

What a sad state of affairs this Republican party has become, as they'd have to wipe their chins, F Trump could actually 

come around to the fact that he has ruined a once respected party, buy surprise, and all from an idiot cult leader constantly spewing LIES the problem, and misinformation from outlets ala media

tell US All what were supposed to a see a, a, I don't fckn think so

cause people need to wake the HELL UP

,The two parties have been an embarrassment, as ole Joe should of been put out to Pasteur, 

but, he is light years ahead and above the 45 Disaster

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Guide
3.2.10  Tacos!  replied to  Tessylo @3.2.8    5 months ago

You are correct. Bragg was criticized for not moving faster. Ironic, then, that Trump supporters whined about him rushing the case into court.

 
 
 
Gsquared
Professor Principal
3.2.11  Gsquared  replied to  Split Personality @3.2.7    5 months ago

He's apparently only been a lawyer for about 10-11 years.  Where I come from that means he is still practically a newbie.  I doubt that he knows too much.  This case is certainly proof of that.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
3.2.12  Tessylo  replied to  Igknorantzruls @3.2.9    5 months ago

Again, Iggy, I really like your style.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
3.2.13  Tessylo  replied to  Tacos! @3.2.10    5 months ago

Well, when aren't they whining about something?

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
3.2.14  Tessylo  replied to  Igknorantzruls @3.2.9    5 months ago

I need to find a way to put your posts to music - it would be awesome.

 
 
 
Igknorantzruls
Sophomore Quiet
3.2.15  Igknorantzruls  replied to  Tessylo @3.2.14    5 months ago

yea, i could just envision possibly a few that are right down from the center for disease control of Texas, bee boppin around while hummin a few of my more creative shitty ditties, while rippin their shirts off while rubbin their mans, titties, a tempting, no one around these parts, with those, parts

cause probably not mamas', 

so i'd go with pops'

tarts' n stinkin ole farts   lookin for cheaper gas, to propel their as

far away from ...sum of one

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
3.2.16  Sean Treacy  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @3.2.1    5 months ago
A DA who run on just that.

Yep, Democrats have spit in the face of "everyone is equal under the law" and have embraced politically targeted prosecutions. In a jurisdiction where arrests for violent crimes are frequently not prosecuted, and where the same DA just let dozens of protestors who trashed Columbia University walk scot-free, they somehow rationalize investing massive resources into a bookkepeing error that isn't even an error, per the experts who actually enforce it. Republicans who defy a congressional subpoena are jailed.  Democrats aren't charged. 

  Resurrecting expired misdemeanors to go after a rival politician using a statute no one has ever been convicted of violating before (despite having a stronger case against the Clinton campaign for the exact same crime)  is about as low as you can go, and a complete rejection of the measured approach of an honest prosecutor like Leon Jaworski. 

Remember, what goes around, comes around. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
3.2.17  Tessylo  replied to  Igknorantzruls @3.2.15    5 months ago

Let's start with that post

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Split Personality
Professor Guide
3.2.18  Split Personality  replied to  Gsquared @3.2.11    5 months ago
Bailey   opposes abortion . In 2023, Bailey asked the   state auditor's office   to change the "anticipated costs" section of a proposed ballot initiative to   restore abortion rights in Missouri , which is one of several initiative petitions filed following a ban passed by the state legislature. [5] [6]

After Auditor   Scott Fitzpatrick   (a Republican) classified the initiative as having an estimated impact of "no costs or savings," Bailey sought to change the estimate to "in the billions" [5] [6]   and later claimed that restoring abortion rights would cost "upward of $12 billion." [6]   Fitzpatrick said that while he personally opposes abortion, there is no evidence that it would cost the state money. [5] [6]

The   Supreme Court of Missouri   unanimously ruled that Bailey had no authority to change the projected cost; in a July 2023 ruling, the Court wrote that Bailey improperly attempted to hold up the initiative, that his authority was to review the "legal content and form" (not the "substance") of the auditor's reports, and that Bailey had refused "to perform the plain, unequivocal and   ministerial duty   of approving those summaries." Andrew Bailey (politician) - Wikipedia

Scotus material /S

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Guide
3.2.19  MrFrost  replied to  Igknorantzruls @3.2.9    5 months ago
cause people need to wake the HELL UP

Damn right Iggy.. 

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Guide
3.2.20  Split Personality  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.2.16    5 months ago
Yep, Democrats have spit in the face of "everyone is equal under the law" and have embraced politically targeted prosecutions.

Like Hunter Biden?

In a jurisdiction where arrests for violent crimes are frequently not prosecuted, and where the same DA just let dozens of protestors who trashed Columbia University walk scot-free, they somehow rationalize investing massive resources into a bookkepeing error that isn't even an error, per the experts who actually enforce it.

None of that matters, especially the hearsay of experts not in evidence.

Republicans who defy a congressional subpoena are jailed.  Democrats aren't charged. 

It boils down to cooperation.  Democrats have apparently been smart enough to comply with their subpoenas, some Republicans have not.

 Resurrecting expired misdemeanors 

By the Good Book, give it a rest.   Because of COVID the previous Governor of NY extended all statutes by 228 days. The New York Supreme Court found that Cummo "tolled" the statutes and set the appropriate and acceptable whig Bragg filed within.  There is also a caveat in NY  that misdemeanors committed to hide other crimes are felonies.  The best  lawyers that Trump and the RNC could afford did not win over even one jury member.

Remember, what goes around, comes around. 

It always has.  Just study human history.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
3.2.21  Tessylo  replied to  Split Personality @3.2.20    5 months ago

Thanks for your factual and honest post.

The agnorance from some is unreal.

 
 
 
bugsy
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3.2.22  bugsy  replied to  Tacos! @3.2    5 months ago
Second, he didn’t start the investigation. The previous DA did

Actually, Bragg did look into it and saw there was nothing there until the 3rd in line DOJ "resigned" his position to "coincidentally" join Bragg's team only a few days before Bragg brought charges. 

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Guide
3.2.23  MrFrost  replied to  bugsy @3.2.22    5 months ago
Actually, Bragg did look into it and saw there was nothing there until the 3rd in line DOJ "resigned" his position to "coincidentally" join Bragg's team only a few days before Bragg brought charges. 

None of this changes the fact that trump committed a crime and was tried for it. 

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Guide
3.2.24  Tacos!  replied to  bugsy @3.2.22    5 months ago
Actually, Bragg did look into it and saw there was nothing there

Maybe. That’s not quite the way I understand it based on what I’ve read. The case against Trump was halted while Bragg pursued cases against Trump’s CFO and the Trump Organization that were similar to what he ended up doing with Trump. Success in those cases seems to have encouraged him that he could pursue that approach with Trump.

Either way, it makes it kind of absurd for people to claim that Bragg had some kind of irrational, partisan obsession with Trump.

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Guide
3.3  Split Personality  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @3    5 months ago
Bragg is going to be hard pressed to justify it not being election interference when he used a misdemeanor with an expired statute of limitations as a felony. 

During Covid the NY Governor "tolled" all statutes of limitations by 228 days making Bragg's charges within the statute.

Especially given he ran as a "get Trump at all costs" dipshit.

Then should we erase the Trump Administration from history?  He ran a "get Hillary at all costs" and "lock her up" campaign

didn't he?

 
 
 
Gsquared
Professor Principal
3.3.1  Gsquared  replied to  Split Personality @3.3    5 months ago
should we erase the Trump Administration from history?

If only...

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Guide
3.3.2  Tacos!  replied to  Split Personality @3.3    5 months ago
During Covid the NY Governor "tolled" all statutes of limitations by 228 days

I would guess they also tolled simply by virtue of the fact that they weren’t going to be allowed to prosecute a sitting president.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
3.3.3  Texan1211  replied to  Tacos! @3.3.2    5 months ago

Who or what prevented them from prosecuting Trump earlier?

 
 
 
Igknorantzruls
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3.3.4  Igknorantzruls  replied to  Texan1211 @3.3.3    5 months ago
The case against Trump was halted while Bragg pursued cases against Trump’s CFO and the Trump Organization that were similar to what he ended up doing with Trump. Success in those cases seems to have encouraged him that he could pursue that approach with Trump.

wasnt this already just stated ?

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
3.3.5  Texan1211  replied to  Igknorantzruls @3.3.4    5 months ago

yes it dang sure was. but that doesn't answer my question.

Try again?

 
 
 
Igknorantzruls
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3.3.6  Igknorantzruls  replied to  Texan1211 @3.3.5    5 months ago
but that doesn't answer my question.

because it's not the answer you want to hear.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
3.3.7  Texan1211  replied to  Igknorantzruls @3.3.6    5 months ago
because it's not the answer you want to hear.

Please do read post 3.3.2.

Then post 3.3.3.

You are absolutely, 100% correct that I don't want to hear "answers" to questions I don't ask.

 
 
 
Igknorantzruls
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3.3.8  Igknorantzruls  replied to  Texan1211 @3.3.7    5 months ago
Who or what prevented them from prosecuting Trump earlier?

Sorry, i thought this was your question, my mistake

 
 
 
Igknorantzruls
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3.3.9  Igknorantzruls  replied to  Texan1211 @3.3.7    5 months ago

hey Tex, iF U Wish to parse my words, be careful 4 what U wish for

 
 
 
Tacos!
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3.3.10  Tacos!  replied to  Texan1211 @3.3.3    5 months ago

In addition to the whole “sitting president” thing I just mentioned, I would guess all the legal fights Trump put up to prevent the state from getting a look at his tax returns (and probably any other business records) had something to do with it.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
3.3.11  Texan1211  replied to  Igknorantzruls @3.3.8    5 months ago

Yes, that IS my question.

Which, despite a plethora of replies. remains sadly unanswered.

Now. maybe YOU would be so kind and explain who or what PREVENTED Trump from being tried earlier.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
3.3.12  Texan1211  replied to  Igknorantzruls @3.3.9    5 months ago
hey Tex, iF U Wish to parse my words, be careful 4 what U wish for

No need for you to worry about what I wish for. I merely wish for a REAL answer!

I parsed nothing of yours. don't be silly.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
3.3.13  Texan1211  replied to  Tacos! @3.3.10    5 months ago

I am merely going by your words. Perhaps "prevented" was the incorrect word to use.

 
 
 
Igknorantzruls
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3.3.14  Igknorantzruls  replied to  Texan1211 @3.3.11    5 months ago
who or what PREVENTED Trump from being tried earlier.

Well Who or What has prevented ALL of Trumps legal cases from being brought forth in time for the American People to actually know for sure what a POS Trump IS, and yes, they should have already known, but with people like you, we see how they don't!?

Cause the Answer is TRUMP, and his lawyers, with help from the politically driven drivers of justice out of Justices'  ridiculous decisions that are decidedly in Trumps' favor, as apparently, like you, their favorite flavor is orange you glad Trump did appoint them to apparently anoint him to be the new Dicktater tot n twot grabber, Founding Fathers' back stabber maga ball grabber in an attempt to go home as opposed to jail, and have Bubba stabber him from behind asz up front about purposely dropping the non attached rope soap iz this male , orderin brides from the other sides, butt not always for free, asz a Fe , iz welded on to the irony. 

  Asz Cannon has proven to be so loose, multiple hot dog vendors have set up shop inside her skif, if ya get my drift, and the Supremes have proven they can fly their partisan frrak flags high while vacationing around the world buy billionaires buying their say in the NON American way

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
3.3.15  Texan1211  replied to  Igknorantzruls @3.3.14    5 months ago
Well Who or What has prevented ALL of Trumps legal cases from being brought forth in time for the American People to actually know for sure what a POS Trump IS, and yes, they should have already known, but with people like you, we see how they don't!?

You could save time by just admitting you don't know and can't answer.

No need to make this about me with your flippant comments.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
3.3.16  Texan1211  replied to  Igknorantzruls @3.3.14    5 months ago
but with people like you,

Smart people intimidate you or something?

 
 
 
Igknorantzruls
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3.3.17  Igknorantzruls  replied to  Texan1211 @3.3.16    5 months ago

yes, yes they do. Let me know when one shows up pleas.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
3.3.18  Texan1211  replied to  Igknorantzruls @3.3.17    5 months ago
Let me know when one shows up pleas.

Too hard to recognize on your own?

 
 
 
Tacos!
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3.3.19  Tacos!  replied to  Texan1211 @3.3.13    5 months ago

Ok, well let me know if you figure out what your question is.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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3.3.20  Texan1211  replied to  Tacos! @3.3.19    5 months ago
Ok, well let me know if you figure out what your question is.

The question was clear and concise, and based from YOUR post.

You claimed Trump wasn't charged earlier because it was prevented.

Once AGAIN, and I sure hope this isn't misunderstood or misconstrued---What or who PREVENTED Trump from being charged?

And it is perfectly fine if you don't know.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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3.3.21  Split Personality  replied to  Texan1211 @3.3.3    5 months ago

NY Governor Cuomo began the tolling on March 20 2020 during the Trump Administration.

There is no evidence that the tolling had anything to do with Trump, but as Mueller and others have indicated, there can be no prosecution of a sitting POTUS.

The practice ended on November 03 2020.

If the statute had three years to go on November 03, 2020, the remining 1095 days countdown was restarted on 11/20/20

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
3.3.22  Tessylo  replied to  Tacos! @3.3.10    5 months ago

Gee, if he had nothing to hide, what's the problem?

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Texan1211
Professor Principal
3.3.23  Texan1211  replied to  Split Personality @3.3.21    5 months ago

If only someone can point to any law forbidding the indictment or trial of a sitting President.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
3.3.24  Tessylo  replied to  Igknorantzruls @3.3.14    5 months ago

Awesome Iggy, as usual, simply awesome.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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3.3.25  Split Personality  replied to  Texan1211 @3.3.20    5 months ago
What or who PREVENTED Trump from being charged?

The DOJ.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
3.3.26  Texan1211  replied to  Split Personality @3.3.25    5 months ago

The DOJ controls NY State laws?

I simply asked for any law forbidding an indictment or trial of a sitting President. I have yet to see anyone provide what is specifically being asked for.

Seems as if it is FORBIDDEN that there would be a written law about it to carve out the exemption for the President.

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Guide
3.3.27  Split Personality  replied to  Texan1211 @3.3.26    5 months ago

Do you own research, it's well known DOJ policy since the 1970s, post Nixon.

Tacos used the word "prevented" correctly,

you have now moved the goal post to "forbidden".

Please STOP Trolling everyone on this thread.

The Department of Justice (DOJ) has a continuing policy since the 1970s that sitting presidents cannot be indicted as it would unconstitutionally prevent them from performing their duties as the head of the executive branch (see   this Attorney General Memo ). Essentially, if a president became indicted, this position holds that the entire Executive would be compromised from fulfilling its obligations given the unique powers of the president. This privilege does not extend to any other person, including the vice president. This line of reasoning has been supported by Supreme Court Justice Joseph Story in a treatise and strongly argued for by Justice Samuel Alito in a dissent in   Trump v. Vance, 140 S. Ct. 2412 . Further, the executive branch has complete prosecutorial discretion, which in theory gives the president authority over whether to indict themselves. indictment of presidents | Wex | US Law | LII / Legal Information Institute (cornell.edu)

Good day.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
3.3.28  Texan1211  replied to  Split Personality @3.3.27    5 months ago
Do you own research, it's well known DOJ policy since the 1970s, post Nixon.

I certainly did, and could not find a single law preventing a sitting President from being prosecuted, which is WHY I asked. I also know that there are marked differences between policy and law. Now, if you have something that is a law, please, by all means, post the link and I will happily read it as that is all I have been asking for the entire time.

Please STOP Trolling everyone on this thread.[]

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Guide
3.3.29  Tacos!  replied to  Texan1211 @3.3.20    5 months ago
What or who PREVENTED Trump from being charged?

You keep saying that as if I said that. I did not. What i said was:

they weren’t going to be allowed to prosecute a sitting president

That does not indicate that they tried in the past and someone prevented it. It indicates they knew if they had tried, there would be resistance in at least two ways that I can think of off the top of my head. If you want to be a grammar nerd, it’s the subjunctive (or suggestive) mood when you’re thinking it’s the indicative (a factual) mood. But I digress . . .

First, they knew that there would be extensive litigation over the constitutionality of prosecuting a sitting president. It’s not settled law because it hasn’t been pursued before. I would guess the DA’s office assumed it wouldn’t be worth the trouble, and I’d agree with that.

Second, Trump the citizen no longer officially resided in New York. His residence is in Florida. Living continuously outside the jurisdiction tends to toll the Statute of Limitations.

But additionally, as president, is his residence the White House? That alone, would be a court case. Extraditing him from Florida would be effectively automatic - I don’t know that Governor DeSantis considered any move to slow the process, but he could have probably.

I have no idea how it works with federal territory (probably the same in most cases) but as president, Trump might have authority to block his own extradition. And that would be another court case.

By the time you’re done with all that shit, he probably could have served out a second term. Might as well wait til he leaves office.

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Guide
3.3.30  Tacos!  replied to  Tessylo @3.3.22    5 months ago

Same with his attempts to disqualify the prosecutors in the federal case and the Georgia case. If he’s innocent, he should just do the trials. Why does it matter who the prosecutor is?

 
 
 
Texan1211
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3.3.31  Texan1211  replied to  Tacos! @3.3.29    5 months ago

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Drinker of the Wry
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3.3.32  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Tacos! @3.3.30    5 months ago
Why does it matter who the prosecutor is?

I don’t support Trump at all.  That said, 

Bragg ran for office campaigning about getting Trump and lying about, “It is a fact that I have sued Trump over 100 times.”

Might that have incentivized him to push the outer boundaries of the law and due process?

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Guide
3.3.33  Tacos!  replied to  Texan1211 @3.3.31    5 months ago
I know precisely what you wrote.

And yet you keep trying to make a point using words I didn’t write. E.g.:

no law prevented or forbade or restricted or even addresses

I did not use those words or even attempt to make that claim. Your entire trollfest has been a straw man. You have ignored the actual words and points made in both relevant comments. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
3.3.34  Texan1211  replied to  Tacos! @3.3.33    5 months ago
Your entire trollfest has been a straw man. You have ignored the actual words and points made in both relevant comments. 

My only response to that obvious falsehood is but one word:

Bullshit.

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Guide
3.3.35  Tacos!  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @3.3.32    5 months ago
Might that have incentivized him to push the outer boundaries of the law and due process?

I wouldn’t attempt to argue that he wasn’t motivated to get Trump, but there’s nothing particularly wrong with that. Lots of things motivate prosecutors - especially elected ones. As far as pushing the boundaries go, that again is SOP. If he breaks a rule or violates someone’s rights, then we have something to talk about.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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3.3.36  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Tacos! @3.3.35    5 months ago
I wouldn’t attempt to argue that he wasn’t motivated to get Trump, but there’s nothing particularly wrong with that.

The DA office was highly motivated to convict the Central Park Five, perhaps due process wasn’t sufficient motivation.

 
 
 
Snuffy
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3.3.37  Snuffy  replied to  Tacos! @3.3.30    5 months ago
If he’s innocent, he should just do the trials.

Sorry but no. That statement is the same is 'If you have nothing to hide, go ahead and let the police search your car'. 

Police have to have a search warrant to search your car. All Trump is doing in this case is taking every advantage the law allows. I may not agree with his attempts to disqualify prosecutors, or even to delay the trials but I do agree that he has the right to every advantage the law allows.

 
 
 
Igknorantzruls
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3.3.38  Igknorantzruls  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @3.3.36    5 months ago
The DA office was highly motivated to convict the Central Park Five,

a tad ironic, as you rightfully argue for due process for the scumbag that was taking out ads for the CPF to receive the Death Penalty When defending one who spits in the face of any and all, because, he thinks Barren is tall and his hands are way too small as he performs heavy pants, down a womans, cause he's the elected unperfected should have been rejected while Melania defected to not become infected by one who should have been rejected, but when a xcult leader won't consider to concede, what is wrong if done legally, for one fulfilling a campaign promise for a change, to do a good deed, and from the grass, remove the weed, that has planted so much manure in the minds of the simple, surprised no one has yet popped Trumps head, like a pimple, as it would likely bring out many a dimple, as some of US have had enough of mr. Orange limp pull, with mind infirm, US collectively down, as we are the joke of the world, when lead by the unfurled , and not sure about you, but i'll be glad when we discuss something knew he was bad, yet never could have about most any predicted, just how

 
 
 
Igknorantzruls
Sophomore Quiet
3.3.39  Igknorantzruls  replied to  Snuffy @3.3.37    5 months ago
but I do agree that he has the right to every advantage the law allows.

yet, not too many have the advantage of every Judge they appointed, now do they ?

 
 
 
Igknorantzruls
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3.3.40  Igknorantzruls  replied to  Texan1211 @3.3.34    5 months ago
My only response to that obvious falsehood is but one word: Bullshit.

Sounds like your only genre of response, Bullshit worn falsehoods warn to not disclose the identity politicking off many who've read and seen what and who you a tempt christ, to be, or not, cause bovine excremeant is more than a lot , it a peers to consume all the facts you doom to assumptions, when perfumed is the pig, as bald face lyes on his dome, where his whig thinks it is a toupee, free to roam and grow, by the shimmered fractured golden sunny showers, that feed off the manure and mix, as Trumps brain is apparently wet, and together there is a chance the planted seeds will succeed, but there are sum hear, who know how to spray down what you say each and every day while spouting to knot have a preference , for it is not ok to spread and defend, when Trump and Cump are in deed in need of a final Round Up, and what ever class actions apply in the same suit to flush this absurd orange turd down the drain of humanity, asz he has taken a toll on the US sanity, and that is IN

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Guide
3.3.41  Tacos!  replied to  Snuffy @3.3.37    5 months ago

I agree, but I said it knowing that Trump is the kind of person who would say the “if you have nothing to hide” stuff. Should have used a sarc tag, I guess.

A key difference here, though, is that while illegally obtained evidence - or other violations of due process - violates a person’s rights or unfairly threatens his liberty, the details of how a special prosecutor was appointed or funded, or who they might be sleeping with, probably don’t have any material impact on the defendant’s rights. It’s just a lame delaying tactic.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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3.3.42  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Igknorantzruls @3.3.38    5 months ago
a tad ironic, as you rightfully argue for due process for the scumbag that was taking out ads for the CPF to receive the Death Penalty

Was the Manhattan DA influenced by that shit?

 
 
 
Igknorantzruls
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3.3.43  Igknorantzruls  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @3.3.42    5 months ago

of course he was

not that i would could ever know

what i'm saying, cause i sure as hell no

watt you're amplifying

and knot shore you want to go that root

but, don't matter to me, as i go as high as many

and

asz low as N E

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Guide
3.3.44  Split Personality  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @3.3.42    5 months ago

Perhaps Bragg, like millions of other New Yorkers, Jersey and PA residents are just exhausted by Trump's

MO over the past 40 years.

Bragg ran for office campaigning about getting Trump and lying about, “It is a fact that I have sued Trump over 100 times.”

As far as Braggs previous job as the Chief Deputy AG of New York State, 2017 - 2018 which initiated over 100 lawsuits against Trump, the Trump Organization, The Trump Charity, and the Trump Administration...

When questioned on the campaign trail about the Trump matter, Bragg routinely cited his past experience as a chief deputy attorney general for New York state. In this role, Bragg oversaw more than  100 lawsuits  against Trump administration policies including a  travel ban  and the administration’s attempt to rescind an  Obama-era program  that prevented the deportation of immigrants who entered the U.S. illegally as children. Bragg also sued the Trump Foundation over its alleged illegal coordination with Trump’s 2016 presidential campaign. A judge ordered Trump to pay  $2 million  as part of a settlement in that case. PolitiFact | Here’s what Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg said about Donald Trump during his DA campaign
 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Senior Expert
3.3.45  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Split Personality @3.3.44    5 months ago
Perhaps Bragg, like millions of other New Yorkers, Jersey and PA residents are just exhausted by Trump's

I think NY’s, bankers, media decision makers, lawyers, and the public that continued to express interest in his celebrity made the political Trump.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
4  CB    5 months ago

Our country has some real losers in it that simply can't abide being critically judged and paying the consequences for their own actions. Some Conservatives simply want the country SERVED UP TO THEM ON A SILVER PLATTER by all the citizenry.  Yawn.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
4.1  Texan1211  replied to  CB @4    5 months ago

Wow, who knew conservatives were such a dire threat to the country.

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Guide
4.1.1  Tacos!  replied to  Texan1211 @4.1    5 months ago
Wow, who knew conservatives were such a dire threat to the country.

Trump wasn’t convicted of being a conservative. 

Actually, now that I think on that, if he had been charged with that, he might have had a better chance at acquittal.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
4.1.2  Texan1211  replied to  Tacos! @4.1.1    5 months ago
Trump wasn’t convicted of being a conservative. 

Probably a good thing that isn't something I claimed, eh?

 
 
 
Hallux
Professor Principal
4.1.3  Hallux  replied to  Texan1211 @4.1    5 months ago
Wow, who knew conservatives were such a dire threat to the country.

CB wrote "some conservatives", the operative word is the indeterminate 'some'. It would behoove this site if some members could get a better grip on a few or several of the many non-numerical identifiers.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
4.1.4  Texan1211  replied to  Hallux @4.1.3    5 months ago

I know exactly why he always writes "some".

 
 
 
Hallux
Professor Principal
4.1.5  Hallux  replied to  Texan1211 @4.1.4    5 months ago
I know exactly why he always writes "some".

Do digress, I harbor a fondness for such assuredness.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
4.1.6  Texan1211  replied to  Hallux @4.1.5    5 months ago

Either one knows or they don't, but certainly not digressing since the topic is in his post.

 
 
 
Hallux
Professor Principal
4.1.7  Hallux  replied to  Texan1211 @4.1.6    5 months ago
Either one knows or they don't

In your case neither/nor ...

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
4.1.8  Texan1211  replied to  Hallux @4.1.7    5 months ago

I, and a few others, I'm sure know.

Seems the ones asking are in the dark, though!

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Expert
4.1.9  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Tacos! @4.1.1    5 months ago
Trump wasn’t convicted of being a conservative

Where was that claim made?

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Guide
4.1.10  Tacos!  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @4.1.9    5 months ago

Did I say someone made a claim?

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Guide
5  Tacos!    5 months ago

OMG this is dumb.

 
 
 
Gsquared
Professor Principal
5.1  Gsquared  replied to  Tacos! @5    5 months ago

The article says this is an anticipated series of similar lawsuits.

Dumb and Dumber.

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Guide
5.1.1  Tacos!  replied to  Gsquared @5.1    5 months ago

I mean, how is the election damaged? There is nothing in Trump’s conviction that prevents any state’s electors from voting for him. Hell, dead people get elected all the time. By comparison, merely being a felon hardly seems worth worrying about.

 
 
 
Gsquared
Professor Principal
5.1.2  Gsquared  replied to  Tacos! @5.1.1    5 months ago

The election isn't damaged.  If Trump's candidacy is damaged maybe he shouldn't have committed the crimes.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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5.1.4  Greg Jones  replied to  Tacos! @5.1.1    5 months ago

How was an election interfered with by Trump's so-called crime? That was a main contention in bringing up these spurious charges.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
5.1.5  Texan1211  replied to  Greg Jones @5.1.4    5 months ago

Hard to believe the NY case had any effect on the election.

Of course, some of the same people who believed Comey influenced the election against Hillary believe it.

 
 
 
Hallux
Professor Principal
5.1.6  Hallux  replied to  Texan1211 @5.1.5    5 months ago
Hard to believe the NY case had any effect on the election.

Indeed, the election has yet to happen. However, recent FOX polls (which are some of the best out there) have noted a 3 point shift in Biden's favor putting him ahead.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
5.1.7  Texan1211  replied to  Hallux @5.1.6    5 months ago

indeed, it is clearly the 2016 race I referred to.

Unless you didn't know Hillary ran against Trump back then, I can see the reason for confusion 

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Guide
5.1.8  MrFrost  replied to  Greg Jones @5.1.4    5 months ago
How was an election interfered with by Trump's so-called crime?

He committed fraud to hide information from voters. That's been explained to you over  and over and over again. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
5.1.9  Tessylo  replied to  Hallux @5.1.6    5 months ago

Awesome!

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Guide
5.1.10  Tacos!  replied to  Greg Jones @5.1.4    5 months ago
How was an election interfered with by Trump's so-called crime?

Why ask irrelevant questions?

That was a main contention in bringing up these spurious charges.

No, it wasn’t. He was convicted of falsifying records in the attempt to interfere with an election.

It’s not a crime to try to get someone elected or prevent someone else from getting elected unless you utilize unlawful means to do so.

 
 
 
Gsquared
Professor Principal
5.1.11  Gsquared  replied to  Greg Jones @5.1.4    5 months ago

You think the 34 felonies for which Trump was convicted by a jury of his peers were "spurious charges", but this go nowhere ever case brought by the Missouri Attorney General isn't ridiculous?  Interesting.

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Guide
5.2  Split Personality  replied to  Tacos! @5    5 months ago

Painfully so.

 
 
 
Hallux
Professor Principal
6  Hallux    5 months ago

Maybe A.G. Andrew Bailey will show up with some more Project Veritas tapes. @!@

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Guide
6.1  Split Personality  replied to  Hallux @6    5 months ago

Yes he tried to use those edited tapes against Planned Parenthood.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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6.1.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  Split Personality @6.1    5 months ago
ried to use those edited tapes against Planned Parenthood.

You mean those tapes Planned Parenthood admitted were true in Court? 

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Guide
6.1.2  MrFrost  replied to  Sean Treacy @6.1.1    5 months ago

You mean those tapes Planned Parenthood admitted were true in Court? 

The content was real, but they were heavily edited to say something they didn't. In the original video, PP employees said 32 times that baby parts were NOT sold to anyone, but in the edited video? Not even once. Weird huh? 

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Guide
6.1.3  Split Personality  replied to  Sean Treacy @6.1.1    5 months ago
You mean those tapes Planned Parenthood admitted were true in Court? 

Are you referring to the Texas case which Planned Parenthood won in part by getting Project Veritas to admit the tapes were heavily audited and used actors?

Bailey's lawsuit is only in pretrial motions in Missouri.  He is alleging interstate trafficking of minors for abortions without parental consent. His only basis is the 11/11/2023 Project Veritas tape rejected by a Texas jury.

The Ole Miss judge allowed the case to move forward on 06/19/2024

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
6.1.4  Sean Treacy  replied to  MrFrost @6.1.2    5 months ago
but they were heavily edited to say something they did

Lol. don't fall for Fusion GPS press releases.  In Court, under oath, PP  couldn't even identify a single misleading edit to the videos. 

Weird how Fusion GPS tricked you again, huh?

 
 
 
GregTx
Professor Guide
6.1.5  GregTx  replied to  Sean Treacy @6.1.4    5 months ago

Or not....

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
6.1.6  Sean Treacy  replied to  Split Personality @6.1.3    5 months ago
which Planned Parenthood won in part by getting Project Veritas to admit the tapes were heavily audited and used actors

I can't find any reference to that case. Can you cite it for me? 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
6.1.8  Sean Treacy  replied to  Split Personality @6.1.3    5 months ago

Where's the proof of this case you mentioned and the heavy  editing of  CMP videos? 

 
 
 
Robert in Ohio
Professor Guide
7  Robert in Ohio    5 months ago

The Missouri AG cannot possibly have legal standing to challenge a NY state prosecution

This is a nuisance lawsuit of the greatest proportion

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Guide
8  MrFrost    5 months ago

Lawfare. 

 
 

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