CNN Does It Again!

  
By:  Vic Eldred  •  9 months ago  •  115 comments


CNN Does It Again!
 

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Last night the nation had another chance to see the democratic presidential candidates in another boring debate. To watch this debate you had to tune into CNN, America's least watched and least trusted cable news network. As some may already know Liz Warren has accused Bernie Sanders of saying that a woman couldn't win the general election:

"Sen. Elizabeth Warren, D-Mass., on Monday said that Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt, in 2018 told her that he didn't think a woman could win the 2020 election — a statement the Sanders campaign had blasted as "a lie" earlier in the day.

"Bernie and I met for more than two hours in December 2018 to discuss the 2020 election, our past work together and our shared goals," Warren said in a statement. "Among the topics that came up was what would happen if Democrats nominated a female candidate. I thought a woman could win; he disagreed."


The statement confirmed  a CNN report  earlier in the day on the 2018 meeting, which Sanders and his campaign strongly denied.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/reports-say-sanders-told-warren-woman-can-t-win-presidential-n1114706

A little background:

Warren and Sanders are locked in a crucial struggle for the far left wing of the democratic party. One must take out the other to consolidate the constituency of the extreme. Warren used a private conversation which cannot be proven one way or the other. Sanders was forced to deny it again last night:

“As a matter of fact, I didn’t say it,”   Sanders said.  “Anyone who knows me knows that it is incomprehensible that I do not think a woman could be president of the United States.”

Sorry Bernie, no benefit of the doubt for you!

Enter CNN's own Abbey Phillip!

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Abbey Phillip

The astonishing moment, on an otherwise boring evening came when CNN political correspondent Abby Phillip asked Warren: 

"Senator Warren, what did you think when Senator Sanders told you a woman could not win an election?" 

For the feeble minded that means that CNN's Abby Phillip was believing Warren (with no evidence) and dismissing Sanders. Sanders was left shaking his head. 

Even the likes of Hasan Piker was stunned. He shot out: "Wait CNN just refused to listen to Bernie and just took what Warren said was the truth?  Later he said " what CNN is doing tonight should be criminal."



Ah, yes, CNN has done it again!  Fear not, I'll bet most people were watching the President's rally in Milwaukee.



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Vic Eldred
1  author  Vic Eldred    9 months ago

 No Mansplaining Bernie!   Your'e cooked!

 
 
 
Greg Jones
1.1  Greg Jones  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    9 months ago

Yep....Bernie is being pushed aside again, this time for Lizzy.

And they dare complain about Fox News

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
1.1.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Greg Jones @1.1    9 months ago

They are gonna make him a woman-hater!

 
 
 
Ender
1.2  Ender  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    9 months ago

In my opinion, Bernie has been given a lot of leeway. Especially considering he is not a Democrat.

 
 
 
KDMichigan
1.2.1  KDMichigan  replied to  Ender @1.2    9 months ago
Especially considering he is not a Democrat.

That's right he only plays one in congress voting lock step with Democrat policies. Kind of like 90% of are "Independents" here on NT.

 
 
 
Texan1211
1.2.2  Texan1211  replied to  KDMichigan @1.2.1    9 months ago

Isn't it odd that Democrats vote for Bernie if he isn't a Democrat?

What does THAT say about the current crop of Democratic candidates, if an outsider is preferable to them than any real Democrat?

 
 
 
Sparty On
2  Sparty On    9 months ago

Yep, angry grandpa is going to get the "Bern" again.  

Him and kooky women running for POTUS just can't seem to get along

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
2.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Sparty On @2    9 months ago

I think we are in for a lot of laughs as the election goes on. Both Sanders and Warren are going to be confined to their desks in the US Senate for about 4 weeks!  First they will have to wait for the USMCA to be passed. Biden will be out there campaigning on his own.

"Senate Majority Leader  Mitch McConnell  (R-Ky.) signaled that the chamber will sign off on  President Trump 's trade deal with Mexico and Canada before they descend into the weeks-long impeachment trial." 

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/478361-senate-to-move-trump-trade-pact-before-impeachment-trial

 
 
 
Sparty On
2.1.1  Sparty On  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1    9 months ago

It's also going to be fun watching them try to take back all the poo they've flung when one finally wins out.

I've got my case of Jiffy pop ready to go for that .......

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
2.1.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Sparty On @2.1.1    9 months ago

And let's not forget Liz's secret - She never washes her face!

 
 
 
Sparty On
2.1.3  Sparty On  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.2    9 months ago

Lol ..... hilarious!

 
 
 
katrix
2.1.4  katrix  replied to  Sparty On @2.1.1    9 months ago
It's also going to be fun watching them try to take back all the poo they've flung when one finally wins out.

It always surprises me that neither party thinks about the ammunition they're giving to the other party in the general election. Think of the Republican clown car in the last election as well as the Democratic clown car in this election.

On the other hand, it doesn't seem to matter much to many voters, because so many of them are so partisan. I think a lot of people just vote against the "enemy party" and don't really give much of a shit if their candidate is crappy. They'll always choose a shitty candidate of their party over a decent candidate of the other party. For independents, it matters more - but really, all the negative ads (which are often misleading) and photoshopping and stuff like that are so pervasive now that maybe people just stopped paying much attention.

It also surprises me that neither party takes more control over what idiots can actually claim to represent the party and run under its banner.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
2.1.5  JohnRussell  replied to  katrix @2.1.4    9 months ago
It always surprises me that neither party thinks about the ammunition they're giving to the other party in the general election. Think of the Republican clown car in the last election as well as the Democratic clown car in this election.

ANY of the Democrats running this year is preferable to Trump. ANY of them. 

If you dont agree, please dont vote in November. 

As far as someone using a comment from a January debate in the November election, its not gonna happen.  Oh Trump might try it, but only dumbasses will be persuaded. Last night's news is less than a nothingburger in the big picture. 

 
 
 
Greg Jones
2.1.6  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.5    9 months ago

I have to agree with you John. What this "debate" showed is that none of these Dem clowns is fit or ready to be POTUS

 
 
 
Texan1211
2.1.7  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.5    9 months ago
ANY of the Democrats running this year is preferable to Trump. ANY of them. 
If you dont agree, please dont vote in November. 

I don't agree, and you can bet your ass I will vote in November.

Last night's news is less than a nothingburger in the big picture.

I felt that way about each and every Democratic candidate debate. 

Last night was certainly no exception.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
2.1.8  XDm9mm  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.5    9 months ago
ANY of the Democrats running this year is preferable to Trump. ANY of them.  If you dont agree, please dont vote in November. 

Please take your own advice there JR.  Stay away from the polls, far, far away and don't even consider a mail in ballot.  Thanks!!

 
 
 
KDMichigan
2.1.9  KDMichigan  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.5    9 months ago
Last night's news is less than a nothingburger in the big picture. 

I have to agree with you JR the democrat candidates are a nothingburger, Same old tiresome shit.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
2.2  Nerm_L  replied to  Sparty On @2    9 months ago
Yep, angry grandpa is going to get the "Bern" again.   Him and kooky women running for POTUS just can't seem to get along

Joe Biden is the beneficiary of this fine bit of journalistic bias.  Creating a conflict between Sanders and Warren is a political necessity because Joe Biden is so weak.  Biden is the choice of establishment politics.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
3  XDm9mm    9 months ago

Well, it's just been unofficially confirmed by Nancy Pelosi that Bernie is going to be butt phucked by the Democrat Party one more time.

As they always say about politics, 'it's all about the timing'.   Now that she's forwarding the 'articles of impeachment' over to the Senate, she has succeeded in removing Sanders and Warren from the campaign trail and left the door open for Crazy Uncle Joe.  All Joe has to do is remember where he is, what office he's running for, what year it is and what office he previously held and when that was held...   1976 right?  (//s//)

And Nancy also just pissed off the Senate by claiming that THEY were on trial now too.  Damn skank just doesn't know when to STFU.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
3.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  XDm9mm @3    9 months ago

 
 
 
Sparty On
3.2  Sparty On  replied to  XDm9mm @3    9 months ago

I don't like angry grandpa's politics, not at all but he doesn't deserve this.   Lets see how well he helps circle the Dem wagons this time.   I was shocked how fast he fell in line last time when Hillary and the DNC put the meat to him.

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.3  Texan1211  replied to  XDm9mm @3    9 months ago

You gotta just love it when Biden slips up and says "We" or "I" when he really means Obama. He tries to make like his role as VP was so important.

I guess being a cheerleader for Obama was important to his career, though.

 
 
 
Ender
3.4  Ender  replied to  XDm9mm @3    9 months ago

I don't think it will matter that much. Do you really think the senate will drag out the trump trial? trump himself wants it dismissed outright, not to drag on in an election year.

McConnell himself is a joke. If he now all the sudden decides there is so much to do in the senate (after doing mostly nothing all year) it would only be to keep them off the campaign trail.

If anyone would be giving Biden an empty lane, it would be him.

 
 
 
Sparty On
6  Sparty On    9 months ago

CNN ..... what a goat rodeo.  

I wonder if some of them actually ever really knew what real journalism is.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
6.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Sparty On @6    9 months ago

What does Hannity keep saying?  "Journalism is dead"

 
 
 
JohnRussell
6.1.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1    9 months ago

LOL. What in hell would Sean Hannity know about journalism? 

 
 
 
katrix
6.1.2  katrix  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1.1    9 months ago

Very true. He's an "entertainer" and a partisan hack, not a journalist. Oh, and he is incredibly allergic to facts and reality.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
6.1.3  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1.1    9 months ago

Oh, let's turn it on Hannity! Is that your comeback for these clown candidates and CNN, which is a wing of the DNC?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
6.1.4  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  katrix @6.1.2    9 months ago

At least he never gave a candidate answers to upcoming town hall questions.  Right?  You know what I mean, Kat.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
6.1.5  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1.3    9 months ago

Vic, you are the one that offered Hannity's opinion as if it is worth anything.  He is easily one of the least journalistic news hosts on television. 

If you dont want Hannity's feelings hurt, dont bring him up. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
6.1.6  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1.5    9 months ago
you are the one that offered Hannity's opinion as if it is worth anything. 

Have you seen the ratings?

 Among primetime cable news shows, Fox's  Hannity  led with a total audience of 3.086 million, followed by  Tucker Carlson Tonight   (2.834 million) and MSNBC's   The Rachel Maddow Show   (2.630 million). None of CNN's prime time hours finished among the top five shows overall.

https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/tim-graham/2019/05/01/cnn-sucks-primetime-ratings-down-26-percent-while-fox-news-dominates


I'd say his opinion is worth something. Plus we all know what CNN is. I think even you know

 
 
 
Sparty On
6.1.7  Sparty On  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1.6    9 months ago

Didn't you know?  

That's because all the people who watch Fox are stupid and there are more stupid people in the world.

Just ask John.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
6.1.8  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1.6    9 months ago

You think the worth of someones opinion is measured by their tv ratings?   Wow. 

He's not an honest person. 

 
 
 
lady in black
6.1.9  lady in black  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1    9 months ago

That's rich coming from a blow hard non journalist 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
6.1.10  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1.8    9 months ago
He's not an honest person.

That is your opinion John and you happen to have a totally different world view than he does.

 
 
 
Tessylo
6.1.11  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1.6    9 months ago

His opinion is worth nothing.

Popularity does not equal veracity.   

 
 
 
JohnRussell
6.1.12  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1.6    9 months ago

You wanna know what I know Vic.   [Deleted] Conspiracy theories, nut job sources, anti-communist paranoia.  

Thats what I know. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
6.1.13  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  lady in black @6.1.9    9 months ago

Let's not bring Maddow into this

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
6.1.14  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @6.1.11    9 months ago
Popularity does not equal veracity. 

It may just equal public trust.


Even MSNBC gets it. They might bring on Sheppard Smith

 
 
 
katrix
6.1.15  katrix  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1.4    9 months ago
At least he never gave a candidate answers to upcoming town hall questions

True - but then, there aren't any GOP candidates in the debates. I'm sure he would have been bending over backwards to give Trump access if there were.

And that still doesn't give his opinions any credibility. It's sad that so many Americans seem to think that his brand of lies, conspiracy theories, and "entertainment" somehow qualifies as journalism.

 
 
 
Sparty On
6.1.16  Sparty On  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1.8    9 months ago

Attempting to judge anothers opinion, with a clearly biased attitude, is a fools errand and is therefore not a newsworthy judgement in the least.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
6.1.17  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1.12    9 months ago

?  

 
 
 
Sparty On
6.1.18  Sparty On  replied to  Greg Jones @6.1.17    9 months ago

Yep, Johns getting personal again ..... SOSDD

 
 
 
Tessylo
6.1.19  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1.14    9 months ago
'Popularity does not equal veracity.' 

'It may just equal public trust.'


What does that mean?

 
 
 
katrix
6.1.20  katrix  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1.6    9 months ago
Have you seen the ratings?

What do his ratings have to do with his veracity? His followers love conspiracy theories and flat-out lies .. his ratings would probably go down if he DID tell the truth.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
6.1.21  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  katrix @6.1.15    9 months ago
True - but then, there aren't any GOP candidates in the debates.

The benefit of being an incumbent President.

I'm sure he would have been bending over backwards to give Trump access if there were.

I will agree on that one. Sean Hannity took a big gamble during the 2016 election. He basically staked his TV career on a Trump victory.


And that still doesn't give his opinions any credibility.

Opinions have to be supported by facts and carefully judged. Hannity has done well. Most of the time he underscores the obvious. He is a dedicated Conservative, true to his ideals and unlike some of the firebrands who used to be on Fox, has never succumbed to those temptresses who work with him.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
6.1.22  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  katrix @6.1.20    9 months ago
His followers love conspiracy theories and flat-out lies

That is a biased generalization. Most people go to him and Fox for news. I say they go their because they trust all of the above. It is an interesting defense of CNN that all 4 of you seek to attack Hannity.  Can't defend CNN?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
6.1.23  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @6.1.19    9 months ago

It means that you can't defend CNN

 
 
 
Tessylo
6.1.24  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1.21    9 months ago

He  never has any facts to support his opinions.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
6.1.25  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1.23    9 months ago
'It means that you can't defend CNN'

Where have I tried to do that?

What does one have to do with the other anyway?

 
 
 
Tessylo
6.1.26  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1.22    9 months ago

What news do they have on Fox?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
6.1.27  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @6.1.24    9 months ago
He  never has any facts to support his opinions.  

Give us an example. 

I hate to sound like somebody famous, but "be specific."

 
 
 
katrix
6.1.28  katrix  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1.22    9 months ago

Fox does have some actual journalists, but Hannity has nothing to do with that part of Fox. He's Trump's personal lie spreader.

And most people go to him for news? That only tells me that most people are morons.Hannity does not provide actual news.

And when did I defend CNN? You happen to be the one who brought Hannity into this thread, btw.

 
 
 
Tessylo
6.1.29  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1.27    9 months ago

No need.  People who know the truth, know.  

 
 
 
Ender
6.1.30  Ender  replied to  katrix @6.1.20    9 months ago

I have noticed with certain shows (that are not news) people only watch them to hear what they want. Sort of to confirm their own bias.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
6.1.31  Greg Jones  replied to  Tessylo @6.1.24    9 months ago

I thought you never watched Fox. How would know what he says....or not.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
6.1.32  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  katrix @6.1.28    9 months ago
Fox does have some actual journalists,

Bret Baier comes to mind and that show is an analysis of the days events. Hannity is more of an opinion show. It is a look at the news from the Conservative viewpoint. There is no doubt about that. The show highlights facts that confirm certain conclusions. 

And most people go to him for news? 

Um-hum


Hannity does not provide actual news.

He was absolutely right about the biggest story of the last 3 years - TRUMP DID NOT COLLUDE WITH RUSSIA.  Who lied on that one?


And when did I defend CNN?

You haven't and that's the point. The topic here was, after all...CNN


 
 
 
Greg Jones
6.1.33  Greg Jones  replied to  katrix @6.1.28    9 months ago
.Hannity does not provide actual news.

Hannity is a commentator, not a news reader. What he says are his opinions, backed up with factual news and examples.

Same goes for the other anchors. No one is defending CNN, because they can't honestly do so.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
6.1.34  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @6.1.29    9 months ago
No need.

That says it all. Thanks

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
6.1.35  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  katrix @6.1.15    9 months ago
True - but then, there aren't any GOP candidates in the debates.

Did you sleep through 2016?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
6.1.36  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Greg Jones @6.1.33    9 months ago

Well done!

 
 
 
katrix
6.1.37  katrix  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1.32    9 months ago
He was absolutely right about the biggest story of the last 3 years - TRUMP DID NOT COLLUDE WITH RUSSIA

Yet he didn't actually report on any of the facts, which is that the Mueller Report explicitly did NOT exonerate Trump and that Mueller erroneously thought Congress would do its job and follow up on the obstruction and other things the report identified.

And I would hardly call him "right" - he also apparently downplayed all the indictments, guilty pleas, and convictions, because none of his fans have a clue about any of those things.

Hannity is more of an opinion show

Exactly. He's a propaganda machine for Trump and makes no attempt to hide it. So why do so many morons consider what he says to be actual news, and factual?

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
6.1.38  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Tessylo @6.1.19    9 months ago
What does that mean?

He can type it but he can't make you understand it. It's pretty clear

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
6.1.39  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Ender @6.1.30    9 months ago
people only watch them to hear what they want. Sort of to confirm their own bias.

Hard to tell from here. Pot or Kettle?

 
 
 
Texan1211
6.1.40  Texan1211  replied to  katrix @6.1.37    9 months ago
Yet he didn't actually report on any of the facts, which is that the Mueller Report explicitly did NOT exonerate Trump and that Mueller erroneously thought Congress would do its job and follow up on the obstruction and other things the report identified.

It wasn't The Great Mueller's job to exonerate anyone. Innocent people don't need exoneration. His job was to investigate and find out if there was collusion between Trump and Russia. There wasn't.

How can you say that Congress hasn't done its job after Democrats have been crowing about Trump's impeachment????

THAT is illogical.

And perhaps wildly delusional.

 
 
 
Tessylo
6.1.41  Tessylo  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @6.1.38    9 months ago

You're so profound.  With other people's nonsense memes.

 
 
 
Ender
6.1.42  Ender  replied to  Greg Jones @6.1.33    9 months ago

The PolitiFact scorecard

https://www.politifact.com/personalities/sean-hannity/

And before you all start, Maddow is rated about even with true false claims.

To think any opinion pundit is completely truthful...Some of their so called facts are not or stretched to fit a narrative.

 
 
 
Tessylo
6.1.43  Tessylo  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @6.1.38    9 months ago

Yup, clear as mud.  

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
6.1.44  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Tessylo @6.1.41    9 months ago

384

 
 
 
Tessylo
6.1.45  Tessylo  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @6.1.44    9 months ago

Again, so profound!

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
6.1.46  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  katrix @6.1.37    9 months ago
which is that the Mueller Report explicitly did NOT exonerate Trump

Prosecutors don't exonerate! That ridiculous narrative was most likely written by the infamous Andrew Weissmann who probably ran the entire Mueller investigation.

and that Mueller erroneously thought Congress would do its job and follow up on the obstruction and other things the report identified.

Somebody was obviously hoping. The Mueller team knew way back in 2017 that Trump hadn't colluded with Russia but the investigation was kept going for the better part of 3 years with the "report" written up only once the democrats won the House. Too bad the House couldn't impeach with the weak suggestions of what the President's thoughts might have been.

And I would hardly call him "right" - he also apparently downplayed all the indictments, guilty pleas, and convictions, because none of his fans have a clue about any of those things.

But those things had nothing to do with collusion or Trump. As a matter of fact we are just beginning to learn of what amounted to a coup attempt against the President. Kat, I have to say that Sean Hannity and I must mention Devin Nunes, as well, were 100% right on every bit of that. There is still an investigation of those events going on right now.


He's a propaganda machine for Trump and makes no attempt to hide it.

No Kat, opinion and propaganda are two different things. Hannity is opinion based on facts.


 
 
 
katrix
6.1.47  katrix  replied to  Texan1211 @6.1.40    9 months ago
It wasn't The Great Mueller's job to exonerate anyone. 

Bullshit. He specifically said that if he could have exonerated Trump, he would have. The problem was, he didn't think the DOJ could indict a sitting President and therefore expected Congress to take on all the findings which indicated clear lapses.

How can you say that Congress hasn't done its job after Democrats have been crowing about Trump's impeachment????

The Mueller Report didn't lead to Trump's impeachment. It was Trump's attempts to illegally get Ukraine to dig up dirt on his most feared political rival for his own personal gain that did that. Poor idiotic Trump just can't keep himself from cheating and lying; it appears to be a pathological trait. And clearly the GOP members of Congress are still NOT doing their jobs - working as if they were Trump's defense attorneys, refusing to even bother reading evidence, stating outright that they will not be impartial jurors (despite being required to swear an oath to be impartial) - Mueller apparently didn't realize just how far up Trump's ass most of the GOP is.

 
 
 
katrix
6.1.48  katrix  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1.46    9 months ago
opinion and propaganda are two different things. Hannity is opinion based on facts.

That is flat out wrong. Hannity parrots "alternative facts" which are nothing but outright lies.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
6.1.49  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Ender @6.1.42    9 months ago
 
 
 
Vic Eldred
6.1.50  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  katrix @6.1.48    9 months ago
Hannity parrots "alternative facts" which are nothing but outright lies.

You keep saying that. Can you give an example?

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
6.1.51  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  katrix @6.1.48    9 months ago

So you watch him? Interesting.

 
 
 
Texan1211
6.1.52  Texan1211  replied to  katrix @6.1.47    9 months ago
Bullshit. He specifically said that if he could have exonerated Trump, he would have.

Not how it works. The Great Mueller was not supposed to exonerate anyone for anything. That was NOT his job, and all your protestations to the contrary are pointless and very misguided.

The Mueller Report didn't lead to Trump's impeachment.

Well, DUH! After almost 3 years of hearing Democrats crow about how the Great Mueller would toast Trump, the House Democrats declined to have anything to do with the Great Mueller Report, and refused to act on his "findings" . THAT should tell you something about the report and Democrats but one does have to have at least a part-way open mind.

Maybe one day we'll find a Democrat exhibiting that trait, but I certainly won't be holding my breath.

 
 
 
lady in black
6.1.53  lady in black  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1.13    9 months ago

Nope, talking about Insanity Hannity

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
6.1.54  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  lady in black @6.1.53    9 months ago

And you have nothing beyond the name calling?

 
 
 
Tessylo
6.1.55  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1.23    9 months ago
'It means that you can't defend CNN'

Which means what?

A non-sequitur is not an answer

 
 
 
lady in black
6.1.57  lady in black  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1.54    9 months ago

Hannity sucks as a journalist...he's a crooked donnie cheerleader nothing more.  Sorry if the truth hurts.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
6.1.58  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @6.1.55    9 months ago
Which means what?

It's a clear statement

 
 
 
Ender
6.1.59  Ender  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1.49    9 months ago

So you are going to call Politifact untrue based on a website that is listed as propaganda and fake news....

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
6.1.60  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Ender @6.1.59    9 months ago

I'm calling them biased based on three stories from multiple sources.

 
 
 
Tessylo
6.1.61  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1.58    9 months ago

No, it's not.  

It's a  non-sequitur.  

 
 
 
Ender
6.1.62  Ender  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1.60    9 months ago

You only listed two stories. One is from a rag that is fake news, the others states they wouldn't rate people on something they wanted rated.

The reason is not justified. I call that looking for a reason.

 
 
 
katrix
6.1.63  katrix  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1.50    9 months ago
You keep saying that. Can you give an example?

I can give numerous examples. Promoting Trump's birther lies, promoting the lie that Obama is a Muslim, deep state bullshit, airing doctored videos, claiming that Obama's "bump in the road" comment referred to the deaths of four Americans ... that bullshit when he campaigned with Trump ... he's nothing but a Trump toadie, plain and simple. He makes absolutely no attempt to present the truth. He just tells the Trump sycophants what they want to hear.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
6.1.64  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Ender @6.1.62    9 months ago

Call it what you want. I offered proof of bias. You attack sources.

 
 
 
katrix
6.1.65  katrix  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @6.1.51    9 months ago
So you watch him? Interesting.

Nope, I virtually never turn on my TV. Mostly just for hockey and football. But I read ... a lot, and a lot of different sources. But the idiots sure love the lies he tells.

 
 
 
Ender
6.1.66  Ender  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1.64    9 months ago

Your so called proof is not proof at all. You offered nothing. Your one source is actually not even allowed here. I am sure you believe that source when they had a story that Obama ordered a life size statue of himself to be put in the Whitehouse...

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
6.1.67  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  katrix @6.1.63    9 months ago
Promoting Trump's birther lies, promoting the lie that Obama is a Muslim

Show me where Hannity promoted either of those things?

 deep state bullshit

It's not bullshit - THE FBI DID USE THE STEELE DOSSIER AS EVIDENCE TO GET A FISA WARRANT AND THEY KNEW IT WAS FALSE WHEN THEY DID IT!  They violated the rights of Carter Page who was a CIA operative. Andrew McCabe departed the FBI with a criminal referral. Others were generously let go. We keep finding more and more evidence of a coup attempt.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
6.1.68  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Ender @6.1.66    9 months ago
You offered nothing.

That seems to be what you are offering. No response to the accusations? 

Harris and Warren said that Michael Brown was "murdered"  True or False?

How did Politifact respond to it?

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
6.1.69  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Ender @6.1.62    9 months ago
I call that looking for a reason.

Remind you of a certain impeachment fiasco? Plain and simple.

 
 
 
katrix
6.1.70  katrix  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1.67    9 months ago
Show me where Hannity promoted either of those things?

Just google it, for crying out loud. I'm not about to go find old videos for you.

It's all out there.

I really can't believe that you're pretending Hannity presents facts. Hannity has turned Fox into Trump TV.

 
 
 
Ender
6.1.71  Ender  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1.68    9 months ago

They responded by not rating it. So out of the thousands of ratings you only have one example.

It amazes me that even though they say that Maddow lies too, some will jump through hoops to defend Hannity. So if they are not truthful that means they lied about Maddow and she tells the truth 100% of the time...

If the right considers Hannity to be the bastion of truth, we are in more trouble than I thought.

 
 
 
Tessylo
6.1.72  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1.67    9 months ago

It is bullshit.  

A coup attempt?

That's ludicrous.  

 
 
 
Sparty On
6.1.73  Sparty On  replied to  Ender @6.1.71    9 months ago

"Lie" is a strong word in both cases IMO.   Presenting the news in a very biased, targeted manner is how i would put it in both cases.   Which honestly i have no problem with.   Its a free country still .... mostly.

If people are stupid enough to fall for a certain brand of propaganda, there isn't really much you can do about it if you want to maintain a truly free press.   Which i for one do.

 
 
 
Ender
6.1.74  Ender  replied to  Sparty On @6.1.73    9 months ago

That was kind of my point. Both Maddow and Hannity have their own bias brand. It is what they are paid to do, give opinion (their take) of current affairs.

I don't particularly have any problem with it. What I have a problem with is when people from either side start to think either one of their points of view is the actual/only fact.

I call that confirmation bias.

I actually don't watch either one of them.

I will turn into Cuomo every once in a while.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
6.1.75  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Ender @6.1.71    9 months ago
They responded by not rating it.

It was a blatant lie, which cost cops their lives. Withholding the clearly false flag on it indicates obvious bias. Something that thoughtful people have always suspected about politifact.

 
 
 
It Is ME
7  It Is ME    9 months ago

This newest "Snooze Debate" was sooooo BAD....even the normal "Leftie" commentators, after the debate, were Scared for Democrats !

"Well....I'm a Women"

"Well....I'm a Democrat Socialist" !

"Well.....I'm a "Vet" !

"Well......Trump Sucks" !

"Well..... what was I gonna say again" ?

"Well...… hmmmmm …… Trump Sucks again" !

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ ! jrSmiley_98_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
7.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  It Is ME @7    9 months ago

As I say, all eyes were on Milwaukee last night

 
 
 
Tessylo
7.1.1  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @7.1    9 months ago

At tRump's latest 'rally' you mean?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
7.1.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @7.1.1    9 months ago

We stay out of the mud here. Just a reminder

 
 
 
It Is ME
7.1.3  It Is ME  replied to  Vic Eldred @7.1    9 months ago
As I say, all eyes were on Milwaukee last night

Yippers ! jrSmiley_13_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Tessylo
7.1.4  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @7.1.2    9 months ago

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Tessylo
7.1.5  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @7.1.2    9 months ago
Politics

While the Democrats Debated, the Incumbent President Was Ranting About Household Appliances

Jack Holmes
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From Esquire

A bit of perspective is always important, particularly in a presidential primary. The remaining Democratic candidates   who took to the debate stage in Des Moines Tuesday night   have real differences, and we should vote accordingly. But in the heat of battle—and amid the media quest for clicks and ratings—they start to appear diametrically opposed to one another. Never mind that they all say they want to expand access to healthcare coverage, even if some may be more committed to that goal than others. You might think Amy Klobuchar's platform lacks ambition, or Bernie Sanders' goes too far, but an overarching consideration in all this is that these people appear to be sane. In the Year of Our Lord 2020, that is part of the discussion.

While the six candidates were rehashing many of the familiar debates over, say, Medicare For All vs. a public option, the incumbent president they all want to run against was having another   episode   in Milwaukee.   The sitting president, you see, is certifiable.   For whatever reason, people who report on him every day are reluctant to point out that he is more than a few bulbs short of a chandelier. When he's not engaged in   some racist propagandistic tirade about undocumented immigrants , he is ranting about household appliances. This is not a joke, or some sort of code.

This is the president's way of waging the culture war against snooty coastal liberal elites who want you to "manage your water usage" or "try to save energy." And in fairness, a shower with bad water pressure is indeed terrible. (Is he suggesting that's a problem at the White House? Mar-a-Lago? Or is this just a bit?) But it does feel like we've lost our grip on normal.

This rant is approximately what it would look like if Andrew Dice Clay had to perform a standup routine Jerry Seinfeld wrote on Klonopin. (Next up: "What is it with airplanes these days? I can't feel the left side of my face.") It's a fascinating look into how Trump channels the everyday frustrations of the modern world into weaponized resentment, but it's also just nutso. The President of the United States is raving about how   you have to turn the knobs, and it's not really working, there's no water, and you have to run the dishwasher five, six, seven, eight, nine, TEN times, and the light bulbs make "you" look orange, and he can't say anything about toilets at the State of the Union because "these people" —the press— will give him bad reviews . That last part was a reference to   his previous rant about how "people are flushing 10 times, 15 times."   In that same speech in December, the president announced he's "looking very strongly" at sinks and showers.

In reality, the press has proven remarkably tolerant of a national leader who presumably took some time away from yelling at passing cars on a street corner to theoretically run the country. Yes, he's relentlessly fact-checked because   he lies constantly . Yes, journalists do great work digging into   his blatant corruption . Yes, people have raised a stink over his decision to   extort a foreign government until it attacked American democracy   for his personal benefit. But really, he mostly gets a pass on the core point that he is very publicly insane.

That's part of why there are really very few questions at the Democratic debates that seek to contrast the Democratic field with the incumbent president. Most of the framing is meant to, in the best cases, illustrate real differences between the candidates, and in the worst, to drum up bullshit beefs. But the fact is that all of the people on the debate stage last night accept that climate change is an existential threat to human civilization as we know it and must be combatted. (Again, some have shown more comprehensive commitment to that than others.) The president spends his time complaining about environmentally inclined consumer products.   He's also said windmills cause cancer.   The most important consideration as we approach the actual voting season is that the Democratic candidates mostly appear to be sane. That would be different.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
8  author  Vic Eldred    9 months ago

“As a progressive to see those two have that level of vitriol was dispiriting,” he said of Sanders and Warren

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The radical Van Jones

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
8.1  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Vic Eldred @8    9 months ago

Local radio show host  described it as second grade class president competition the way it sounded last night.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
8.1.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @8.1    9 months ago

That's insulting to second graders

 
 
 
It Is ME
9  It Is ME    9 months ago

The " Highlight " jrSmiley_97_smiley_image.gif of the Democrat Debate, was when Bernie called out Pocahontas on when 30 years occurred, in winning an election.jrSmiley_104_smiley_image.jpg

It was Riveting ! jrSmiley_98_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
It Is ME
10  It Is ME    9 months ago
What Is This?...oh...It Is ME. 

Whaaaaaaa ?

 
 
 
KDMichigan
12  KDMichigan    9 months ago

I thought sleepy Joe bashing Trumps ME policies then turning around and taking credit for eliminating ISIS was a hoot. Stay tuned the left-wing TDS sufferers will be quoting him soon...

 
 
 
Sunshine
12.1  Sunshine  replied to  KDMichigan @12    9 months ago

The Biden supporters....

320

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
13  author  Vic Eldred    9 months ago

Be back in a while. I'll give Kat and Ender a chance to respond.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
14  author  Vic Eldred    9 months ago

I hate to close this one down, but tomorrow is another day and as J J Hunsecker once said, Iv'e got my hands full with breaking stories. The President just signed a historic trade deal with China, the House just delivered Impeachment Articles and an Arizona man was just killed saving his daughter. I have an interest in all of them.

I want to thank those who kept the conversation at a level of civility. We learned about confirmation bias, the state of cable TV news. We also learned that certain things couldn't be defended. The reputation of Sean Hannity remains unblemished and Politifact has been exposed. Nobody defended CNN.

Have a good night all.

 
 
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