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Left Goes Bananas On Barr’s DOJ After Ignoring Far Worse Under Obama

  
Via:  Vic Eldred  •  4 years ago  •  84 comments

By:   By Chip Roy

Left Goes Bananas On Barr’s DOJ After Ignoring Far Worse Under Obama
How soon my leftist colleagues and media flacks forget they engaged in ‘community organizing’ for left-wing activism at the highest levels of the Department of Justice.

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No one should be above the law, Republican or Democrat. Nor should our elected leaders undermine equal justice under the law.

Okay, now that these obvious statements have been made, what should we make of the  1,100 signatures to a letter  calling on Attorney General Barr to resign amid all the debate regarding the Department of Justice (DOJ)? As someone who served, albeit briefly, as a federal prosecutor, this question is of particular interest to me.

First, consider that the DOJ resides in the Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. Department of Justice Building. Bobby Kennedy was his brother’s closest political ally and advisor. Does the media suggest we should re-name the building or raise a fuss because the younger Kennedy was political?

Don’t believe it? Go back to February 1962,  in U.S. News and World Report : “Bobby is forever putting out political brush fires. If something goes wrong somewhere, Bobby will take a look at his list of friends scattered through the Government. He will get someone on the phone, maybe a high official, and ask him to do a political job for him.”

More from the same article: “One day in January, more than a dozen young men trooped into Bobby’s office. Most of them were in their 30s. They came from the Defense Department, the State Department, from various agencies of the Government… Most of these men had worked closely with Bobby when he engineered his brother’s election campaign. They developed great loyalty and affection for the Attorney General, became his trusted lieutenants.”

Is this a problem? It depends. As Jack Kennedy quipped, he wanted his brother to “have a little legal experience before he goes out to practice law.”

What about an attorney general who politicizes the DOJ at the expense of adherence to the rule of law, packs the department with activists, is repeatedly struck down by the Supreme Court, and acts in direct conflict with well-accepted policies and procedures, then hides it? What if that attorney general is Eric Holder or Loretta Lynch?

Put aside the fact that Holder was held in contempt in the U.S. House—let’s chalk that up to politics and overlook the 17 Democrats who voted for contempt. Even a cursory review of the record shows that Holder, and his successor Lynch, abused power in the Department of Justice for a full eight years while carrying out hatchet work for President Obama.

After all, in an interview with Juan Williams, Holder proudly declared himself “an activist attorney general,” and acknowledged that he turned the DOJ’s Civil Rights Division into a political weapon, saying he was “proud of it.” How soon my leftist colleagues and media flacks forget they engaged in “community organizing” for left-wing activism at the highest levels of the Department of Justice. For just several major examples:

  1. Under Holder, the notorious “Fast and Furious” operation was carried out. In it, guns were run to Mexican drug cartels, resulting in the death of a U.S. Border Patrol agent. Holder refused to cooperate with House investigators to turn over information.

  2. Holder encouraged President Obama to use executive power to unconstitutionally and illegally give status and benefits to both children and parents illegally present in the United States after failing to pass legislation. In other words, the chief law enforcement officer encouraged an end-run of the Constitution and the law, one of which courts have already struck down, while the other is being litigated.

  3. Holder effectively dismissed the Lois Lerner Internal Revenue Service’s clear targeting of conservative groups and refused to carry out a true investigation into this corruption.

  4. Holder corrupted the Civil Rights Division, turning it into a radical political organization—led once by Tom Perez, who is now the head of the Democratic National Committee. DOJ’s own inspector general concluded in a report that the division was guilty of “deep ideological polarization” and a “disappointing lack of professionalism.”

  5. That same radical Holder-Perez Civil Rights Division was repeatedly smacked down by the courts for its egregious positions and overreach. For example, the division was rebuked in a Florida case where the DOJ abusively prosecuted peaceful abortion protesters. It argued that the First Amendment did not protect the hiring decisions of a church in the  Hosanna-Tabor  decision. There were similar decisions involving voter ID and immigration issues, among countless others.

  6. Holder used race as a political weapon. He declared voter ID a racially charged “poll tax,” and used immigration and cases like the tragic events in Ferguson and Sanford, Florida, as political events to whip up President Obama’s base while completely ignoring the constant terrible gang violence in Chicago, for example, all while leaving law enforcement (of all races) dangling in the wind.

  7. Holder used civil rights as a hammer to prevent states from trying school choice to help move children out of poverty.

  8. And books will long be written about the politicization of the DOJ, the FBI, and countless government officials in the Obama administration all through the 2016 elections involving Russia collusion and targeting Donald Trump and his campaign.

No matter what political party is in power, the DOJ should not be used to advance policy contrary to the Constitution, or to carry out policy contrary to law, or to undermine the core principles of equal justice under law, among other things. If there are allegations of true wrongdoing, as a member of the Oversight Committee—and, frankly, as a member of Congress—I certainly believe we should look into it.

I will be the first to admit that the president does, in fact, make Barr’s ability to do his job much more difficult by constantly tweeting about decisions in real time. Moreover, Roger Stone is hardly a sympathetic figure, making his own bed in this situation.

But is the attorney general correct to review a seven- to nine-year sentence recommendation for a first-time offender who admittedly engaged in witness tampering but in the context of a politically charged situation? With a jury foreperson with questionable objectivity? Of course he is, and a review up the chain of command about sentencing is not something that in and of itself should draw alarm, as these are legitimate questions. Also, lost in all the controversy is that this is just a recommendation that does not control! The final decision about Stone’s sentencing is still completely up to the judge on the case, not the DOJ.

So let’s keep a little perspective. Far from “whataboutism,” there are very clear differences here. With the current situation and no matter what has been tweeted, the conviction stands, the judge controls, this is just a recommendation, and there are reasonable questions that would lead to Barr or his team moving the recommendation downward.

We should not let the media and a bunch of left-wing activists drumming up former prosecutors to complain and obfuscate the facts, nor allow them to ignore the unbelievably rampant abuse at the DOJ under the most recent Democrat administration.


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Chip Roy is the Republican representative for the 21st congressional district in Texas.


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Vic Eldred
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1  seeder  Vic Eldred    4 years ago

Barr is still the steady hand at the helm.


Rules of civility apply

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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1.2  XXJefferson51  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    4 years ago

You got that right.  He’s doing a great job.  👍👏🦅

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
1.2.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  XXJefferson51 @1.2    4 years ago

A man of strength, who arrived not a moment too soon!

 
 
 
Jasper2529
Professor Quiet
1.2.2  Jasper2529  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2.1    4 years ago
A man of strength, who arrived not a moment too soon!

If Trump had lost in 2016, Hillary would have continued the Obama corruption because doing so would have also hidden her family's own corruption.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
1.2.3  Tessylo  replied to  Jasper2529 @1.2.2    4 years ago

What corruption by the Obama administration?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
1.2.4  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Jasper2529 @1.2.2    4 years ago
If Trump had lost in 2016, Hillary would have continued the Obama corruption because doing so would have also hidden her family's own corruption.

Can you imagine?  We wouldn't have known a thing about Fusion GPS, Comey, Brennan, Strzok & Page or McCabe. Michael Flynn might still be working somewhere in government. Manafort and Stone despite anything they did would never have been indicted. They would have continued on like many other Washington insiders. So much would never have seen the light of day. Perhaps it's no wonder why Hillary Clinton turned to apologize to Barak Obama the night she lost. 

 
 
 
Jasper2529
Professor Quiet
1.2.5  Jasper2529  replied to  Tessylo @1.2.3    4 years ago
 
 
 
Jasper2529
Professor Quiet
1.2.6  Jasper2529  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2.4    4 years ago
Can you imagine?  We wouldn't have known a thing about Fusion GPS, Comey, Brennan, Strzok & Page or McCabe.

Or James Clapper. He's a singing bird trying to save his perjured neck ...

As U.S. Attorney John Durham continues his criminal investigation into the origins of the government's targeting of the 2016 Trump campaign, former Obama administration intelligence officials are denying any wrong doing and justifying their actions.  Former Director of National Intelligence James Clapper is arguing he was concerned about the Russians interfering in the election, which is why his agency gathered "information." During a recent interview with CNN, Clapper admitted he was simply following orders from the "commander-in-chief," who had ordered intelligence agencies to do so.  

Yep, not a "smidgen of corruption" in the Obama administration!  /sarc

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
1.2.7  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Jasper2529 @1.2.6    4 years ago
Or James Clapper.

He looks like something out of a Dickens Novel, doesn't he?


He's a singing bird trying to save his perjured neck ...

Yup, I recall that very article you posted.


Yep, not a "smidgen of corruption" in the Obama administration!  /sarc

Unfortunately, Obama is an untouchable. 

 
 
 
Jasper2529
Professor Quiet
1.2.8  Jasper2529  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2.7    4 years ago
Obama is an untouchable. 

As is reverently and dutifully noted in comment 3.1.2 !

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.2.9  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Jasper2529 @1.2.8    4 years ago

Done there with a dual purpose. Best performed by Chris Matthews every time he would mention Obama as "our first black president."  The template forever after.

 
 
 
Jasper2529
Professor Quiet
1.2.10  Jasper2529  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2.7    4 years ago
He looks like something out of a Dickens Novel, doesn't he?

Dickens was a verbal sculptor who would have had a field day with the real life villains of the Obama Administration. Uriah Heep would be appropriate for several of them.

 
 
 
evilone
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2  evilone    4 years ago
Under Holder, the notorious “Fast and Furious” operation was carried out. In it, guns were run to Mexican drug cartels, resulting in the death of a U.S. Border Patrol agent. Holder refused to cooperate with House investigators to turn over information.

Started under Bush Jr - investigated and punished those that were actually at fault. 


Holder encouraged President Obama to use executive power to unconstitutionally and illegally give status and benefits to both children and parents illegally present in the United States after failing to pass legislation. In other words, the chief law enforcement officer encouraged an end-run of the Constitution and the law, one of which courts have already struck down, while the other is being litigated.

The courts did not agree this was "unconstitutional". 


Holder effectively dismissed the Lois Lerner Internal Revenue Service’s clear targeting of conservative groups and refused to carry out a true investigation into this corruption.

The IRS were investigating all groups that were using the cover of religion to influence politics. 


Holder corrupted the Civil Rights Division, turning it into a radical political organization—led once by Tom Perez, who is now the head of the Democratic National Committee. DOJ’s own inspector general concluded in a report that the division was guilty of “deep ideological polarization” and a “disappointing lack of professionalism.”

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That same radical Holder-Perez Civil Rights Division was repeatedly smacked down by the courts for its egregious positions and overreach. For example, the division was rebuked in a Florida case where the DOJ abusively prosecuted peaceful abortion protesters. It argued that the First Amendment did not protect the hiring decisions of a church in the  Hosanna-Tabor  decision. There were similar decisions involving voter ID and immigration issues, among countless others.

Those two are the parts of the same issue. It's not right and they got stopped in the courts like many of the Trump over reaches.


Holder used race as a political weapon. He declared voter ID a racially charged “poll tax,” and used immigration and cases like the tragic events in Ferguson and Sanford, Florida, as political events to whip up President Obama’s base while completely ignoring the constant terrible gang violence in Chicago, for example, all while leaving law enforcement (of all races) dangling in the wind.

We have Republicans on record saying the Voter ID bills in states were setup to shave 1 to 4 percentage points off Democratic vote totals because of race. 


Holder used civil rights as a hammer to prevent states from trying school choice to help move children out of poverty.

Fuck school choice! It's a disguise to cherry pick students and end run state guidelines.

And books will long be written about the politicization of the DOJ, the FBI, and countless government officials in the Obama administration all through the 2016 elections involving Russia collusion and targeting Donald Trump and his campaign.

Word salad bullshit, but as long as conservatives waste their money buying it, whatever...

 
 
 
Texan1211
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2.2  Texan1211  replied to  evilone @2    4 years ago
Started under Bush Jr - investigated and punished those that were actually at fault.

That is not a fact. 

The operation began on October 31, 2009, when a local gun store reported to the Phoenix ATF that four individuals had purchased multiple AK-47 style rifles. In November 2009, the Phoenix office's Group VII, which would be the lead investigative group in Fast and Furious, began to follow a prolific gun trafficker.
ATF gunwalking scandal - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATF_gunwalking_scandal

Now, in your little world, who was President then?????

The courts did not agree this was "unconstitutional". 

A SCOTUS ruling is expected in June of this year.

The IRS were investigating all groups that were using the cover of religion to influence politics. 

Pray tell how the words "Tea Party" is related to any religion in any way. The fact is the IRS admitted to targeting. Based on nothing, really.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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2.2.1  Split Personality  replied to  Texan1211 @2.2    4 years ago

ATF  sting operation Project Gunrunner started in 2005 .  In my "little world" I was serving under George Bush at the time. 

The ATF kept resurrecting similar schemes, the most infamous becoming know as Operation Fast and Furious under the next Administration.

To help combat firearms trafficking into Mexico, ATF began Project Gunrunner as a pilot project in Laredo, Texas, in 2005 and expanded it as a national initiative in 2006. Project Gunrunner is also part of the Department’s broader Southwest Border Initiative, which seeks to reduce cross-border drug and firearms trafficking and the high level of violence associated with these activities on both sides of the border. In June 2007, ATF published a strategy document, Southwest Border Initiative: Project Gunrunner (Gunrunner strategy), outlining four key components to Project Gunrunner: the expansion of gun tracing in Mexico, international coordination, domestic activities, and intelligence. In implementing Project Gunrunner, ATF has focused resources in its four Southwest border field divisions. In addition, ATF has made firearms trafficking to Mexico a top ATF priority nationwide.
 
 
 
Texan1211
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2.2.2  Texan1211  replied to  Split Personality @2.2.1    4 years ago

If you choose to ignore the start date, I really can't help you understand.

Looks like Obama was President when Fast and Furious started.

 
 
 
evilone
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2.2.3  evilone  replied to  Texan1211 @2.2    4 years ago
A SCOTUS ruling is expected in June of this year.

They are not ruling on Obama's EO. They are ruling on Trump's EO rescinding the Dreamers Act. I expect the Trump Administration will win this one. That would be consistent with past rulings.

 
 
 
evilone
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2.2.4  evilone  replied to  Texan1211 @2.2    4 years ago
Pray tell how the words "Tea Party" is related to any religion in any way.

Much of the Tea Party was infested (yes I'll use that word) with Evangelicals. Those hard core Trump Humpers that can't help themselves but to push the boundaries of rules, regulations and civility. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
2.2.5  Texan1211  replied to  evilone @2.2.4    4 years ago
Much of the Tea Party was infested (yes I'll use that word) with Evangelicals. Those hard core Trump Humpers that can't help themselves but to push the boundaries of rules, regulations and civility. 

So now you are claiming that the IRS targeted them because of their religious beliefs--as if THAT is somehow better and more acceptable?

LMFAO

What did ANY of the groups targeted DO that was so bad?

 
 
 
Jasper2529
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2.2.6  Jasper2529  replied to  evilone @2.2.4    4 years ago
Much of the Tea Party was infested (yes I'll use that word) with Evangelicals. Those hard core Trump Humpers that can't help themselves but to push the boundaries of rules, regulations and civility. 

Good try, but Evangelicals never caused as much, if any, physical and monetary terrorist damage that Occupy, BLM, Antifa, and Hate-Trump groups have.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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2.2.7  Split Personality  replied to  Texan1211 @2.2.2    4 years ago

And as I wrote, and provided documentation for, the ATF's first project started during the Bush Administration

and continued during the Obama Administration.

The field agents really did not care who was the POTUS  or who was the AG when they came up with these crazy "ideas" about infiltrating the cartels to take them down.

The final report on Project Gunrunner was completed by the DOJ IG in November 2010,

13 months after the Jeremy Chambers case began in Oct 2009

and still known as Operation Wide Receiver until February 2010 when it was changed to Operation Fast & Furious.

Wikipedia actually has a pretty decent history of what happened and why.

The ATF loves nicknames, Project Gunrunner, Operation Wide Receiver, the Hernandez Case and the Mendrano Case involving the same agents and same Tuscon gun dealer from Operation Wide Receiver, and finally the Chambers Case eventually renamed Fast & Furious because

Jeremy Chambers was a member of some car club which emulated the Fast & Furious movies...

But, but, Obama...

 
 
 
evilone
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2.2.8  evilone  replied to  Texan1211 @2.2.5    4 years ago
So now you are claiming that the IRS targeted them because of their religious beliefs--as if THAT is somehow better and more acceptable?

No, I said the IRS was investigating religious tax except groups for meddling in politics.

What did ANY of the groups targeted DO that was so bad?

Is tax fraud ok if it follows your political ideology?

 
 
 
evilone
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2.2.9  evilone  replied to  Jasper2529 @2.2.6    4 years ago
Good try, but Evangelicals never caused as much, if any, physical and monetary terrorist damage that Occupy, BLM, Antifa, and Hate-Trump groups have.

Is everything black & white - either/or - left & right in your world, Jasper? Just because I don't agree with the hyper partisan propaganda written in the article doesn't mean I must support the hyper partisan cause de jour of the left. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
2.2.10  Texan1211  replied to  evilone @2.2.8    4 years ago
No, I said the IRS was investigating religious tax except groups for meddling in politics.

you did no such thing.

Here is YOUR statement which I responded to:

Much of the Tea Party was infested (yes I'll use that word) with Evangelicals. Those hard core Trump Humpers that can't help themselves but to push the boundaries of rules, regulations and civility.

That does NOT state what you claimed later.

Is tax fraud ok if it follows your political ideology?

WTF? Where did I even hint at that??

What tax fraud are YOU referring to? Lots of liberals loved to claim that NO groups were denied tax exempt status, so where the hell is any fraud?

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
2.2.11  Texan1211  replied to  Split Personality @2.2.7    4 years ago

I was specifically referring to Fast and Furious.

Deny it all you want, but it DID start under Obama.

Like it or not.

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Guide
2.2.12  Split Personality  replied to  Texan1211 @2.2.11    4 years ago
I was specifically referring to Fast and Furious. Deny it all you want, but it DID start under Obama.

Which is like saying the Civil War started at Gettysburg...

it just defies the actual history of the ATF.

 
 
 
evilone
Professor Guide
2.2.13  evilone  replied to  Texan1211 @2.2.10    4 years ago
you did no such thing.

In 2.0 I said  - The IRS were investigating all groups that were using the cover of religion to influence politics. 

WTF? Where did I even hint at that?? What tax fraud are YOU referring to?

Arguing every single one of those 501c4 groups in the IRS investigations were lilly pure ignores the fact that partisan groups were using tax exempt status to cover for anonymous political donations. Hell both left and right were doing it. The IRS was simply filtering groups by key words such as -  "tea party," "patriot," "9/12" "occupy," "progressive," and "green energy."

Lots of liberals loved to claim that NO groups were denied tax exempt status, so where the hell is any fraud?

I don't know but where is that 501c4 group Ohioans United to Defeat Barack Obama's Un-American Agenda now? 

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
2.2.14  Texan1211  replied to  evilone @2.2.13    4 years ago

Pretty damn funny when so many leftwing idiots were pushing that the IRS did absolutely nothing wrong because no groups were denied. Shoots your little fantasy of tax fraud ALL to hell and back.

if you have evidence of REAL fraud--produce it or I will just know that you got zip.

 
 
 
Ronin2
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2.2.15  Ronin2  replied to  Split Personality @2.2.7    4 years ago

Did you read your own link? The only reliable one you posted. It didn't change names. The investigation ended in 2007, period. Now the prosecutions went on until 2009/2010; but the program was long over.

This is Operation Wide Receiver it has definite beginning and ending dates. It was not ongoing when Obama took over the White House.  The Operation also has several differences from Fast & Furious. It had tracking of the guns both on the ground and through electronic devices planted within the guns. Arrests were made at the straw purchasers level. Also, the Mexican government was informed and was in on the operation.

From page 27

One such case, Operation Wide Receiver, was
noteworthy because it informed our understanding of how these tactics were
used by ATF more than three years before Operation Fast and Furious was
initiated. Further, unlike in Operation Fast and Furious, where some ATF
agents told us that they could not arrest straw purchasers because the U.S.
Attorney’s Office for the District of Arizona had an unreasonable position on
the evidence required in order to make an arrest, we found that this issue was
not present in Operation Wide Receiver. Additionally, Operation Wide Receiver
illustrated the failure of management in ATF’s Phoenix Field Division to alert
ATF Headquarters to the use of these tactics, and the knowledge of the U.S.
Attorney’s Office in their use. 

From page 28

Operation Wide Receiver was conducted in two parts between March
2006 and December 2007 by agents in ATF’s Tucson Office, which is part of
ATF’s Phoenix Field Division.

From page 30

The next section covers Operation Wide Receiver II, the part of the
investigation that was conducted from February to December 2007. We
describe the suspected criminal activity that caused agents to resume the
investigation and the efforts ATF made to develop the case beyond the straw
purchaser level. These efforts included the use of court-authorized electronic
surveillance and attempts to coordinate the investigation with the Government
of Mexico. We describe the results of these efforts and how the investigation
came to a close, again, without any prosecutions. 

Now for Fast & Furious

Definitely not the same program; nor the did it start under Bush.

From page 103

The investigation began at the end of October 2009 when
agents obtained information about some suspicious firearms purchases made
from a Phoenix-area Federal Firearms Licensee (FFL). By the end of the year,
agents had identified a significant firearms trafficking group operating in the
Phoenix area that was responsible for the purchase of over 600 firearms for
approximately $350,000. However, for reasons described in this Chapter, ATF
and the U.S. Attorney’s Office agreed on a longer term investigative strategy
that broke from the traditional approach of confronting suspected straw
purchasers. Instead, the offices deferred taking action against the subjects
who had been identified in order to pursue a larger case, primarily through the
use of several wiretaps, that sought to dismantle the entire trafficking group
and identify how the firearms were being paid for and transported to Mexico.
The consequences of adhering to this strategy for several months without
modification were extraordinary. During the course of the investigation,
Operation Fast and Furious subjects were responsible for purchasing nearly
2,000 firearms for $1.5 million, hundreds of which were recovered in the
United States and Mexico. The vast majority of these purchases were made by
individuals after ATF agents had identified them as suspects. Yet there were
no arrests or indictments in the case until it was learned that two weapons
found at the scene of Customs and Border Protection Agent Brian Terry’s
December 14, 2010, murder had been purchased by an Operation Fast and
Furious subject who agents had identified in November 2009, and who had
bought the two guns found at scene in January 2010. For the reasons
described in this chapter, we concluded that the individuals at ATF and the
U.S. Attorney’s Office responsible for Operation Fast and Furious failed to
conduct the investigation with the urgency, oversight, and attention to public
safety that was required by an investigation that involved such extraordinary
and consequential firearms trafficking activity. 

Not even Politico believes the tripe that they are the same operation.

Jane Harman, a former Democratic congresswoman from California and CEO of the Wilson Center, argued Holder accomplished many good things as the nation’s first black attorney general, but he could be faulted "for being politically tone-deaf."

"And some of the things he did I think backfired. Not dropping Fast and Furious, which started in the Bush administration, was a mistake," she said during a Sept. 28 Fox News Sunday panel. "Not notifying people about the Khalid Sheikh Mohammed trial in New York before he announced it, was a mistake. And not -- and the timing of the indictments of the Chinese was a mistake. But on balance is, I think his tone and his professionalism and his focus on race were pluses."

Harman’s claim about the origin of the Justice Department’s controversial "Fast and Furious" program was flagged by one of our readers. It is inaccurate.

President Barack Obama made the same error during the 2012 election season in describing the program’s launch. PolitiFact rated his claim that it started "under the previous administration" as False .

The "Fast and Furious" operation started in October 2009, about 10 months into Obama’s first term. Under the program, federal agents based in Arizona allowed straw buyers to buy guns in the United States and cross into Mexico so the weapons could be traced to, in theory, high-level drug cartel members.

The idea backfired when two guns that the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives had lost track of were found at the crime scene of U.S. Border Patrol agent Brian Terry, who was killed Dec. 14, 2010.

Investigations launched by Congress and the Justice Department in the wake of Terry’s death found many flaws with the "gun-walking" program designed by ATF’s Phoenix Field Division to go after cartels.

CNN even agrees.

CNN) Here's a look at Operation Fast and Furious. From 2009-2011, the Phoenix Field Division of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF), along with other partners, allowed illegal gun sales in order to track the sellers and purchasers, who were believed to be connected to Mexican drug cartels.

Facts:
During the Fast and Furious investigation, nearly 2,000 firearms were illegally purchased for $1.5 million, according to a DOJ inspector General report. Hundreds of guns were later recovered in the United States and Mexico.
In 2010, two of the weapons linked to Fast and Furious turned up near the scene of the murder of Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry in the Arizona desert.
Whistleblowing led to investigations by the Senate Judiciary Committee and the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee. During the House investigation, Attorney General Eric Holder was cited for contempt.
Fast and Furious was one of the operations under Project Gunrunner, part of the Department of Justice's broader National Southwest Border Counternarcotics Strategy.
You want to blame Bush for Operation Wide Receiver go right ahead. That happened under his watch. But Obama takes complete responsibility for Fast & Furious.
The bad part isn't the blown operation; it was the cover up and obstruction by Obama and Holder. If it had been Trump/Barr the Dems would already have the articles of impeachment drawn up and be demanding the Senate act.
Also from the above CNN article.
June 20, 2012 - Republicans on the House Oversight Committee recommend that Holder be cited for contempt of Congress for failing to turn over documents relating to Fast and Furious.They make the recommendation after President Barack Obama asserts executive privilege over some documents sought by the committee.
June 28, 2012 - The House of Representatives votes 255-67 to hold Holder in criminal contempt of Congress. This is the first time in American history that the head of the Justice Department has been held in contempt by Congress.
No abuse of power by Obama or Holder there./S

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
2.2.16  Texan1211  replied to  Split Personality @2.2.12    4 years ago
Which is like saying the Civil War started at Gettysburg...
it just defies the actual history of the ATF.

What preposterous nonsense.

The Civil War had a start date.

So did Fast and Furious.

Your claims don't match facts.

You tell ME when exactly Fast and Furious started. THAT program, not similar ones. When, or IF, I should say, you can do that, I might actually think you have a valid point. Until then, you got squat.

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Guide
2.2.17  Split Personality  replied to  Texan1211 @2.2.16    4 years ago

Obviously the analogy was lost on you.  No surprise.

The same ATF agents were involved using the same gun dealers in at least 6 separately named cases,

between 2005 and 2009, one of which fell in the Obama term of office.

The blame lies somewhere in the ATF / DOJ chain of command over at least 6 years

BUT OBAMA & HOLDER!!!!!!!

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Sean Treacy
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2.3  Sean Treacy  replied to  evilone @2    4 years ago

Fast & Furious did not "start under Bush." That's simply false.

investigated and punished

Sure, Holder looked into his department's Fast And Furious like OJ hunted for the real killers.

 
 
 
Jasper2529
Professor Quiet
4  Jasper2529    4 years ago
With a jury foreperson with questionable objectivity? 

Who just happens to be a lawyer whose personal social media posts are anti-Trump. While being interviewed as a prospective juror, she didn't reveal that information to the judge.

 
 
 
Cathar
Freshman Silent
4.1  Cathar  replied to  Jasper2529 @4    4 years ago

The selection of the Juror was agreed to by Stones' Attornies. Our Justice System allows for Stones Attorney to deny certain sitting of Jurors. They did not do so in this case. You disrespect our Jurisprudence system and trial by Jury by your comment.

 
 
 
Jasper2529
Professor Quiet
4.1.1  Jasper2529  replied to  Cathar @4.1    4 years ago
The selection of the Juror was agreed to by Stones' Attornies. Our Justice System allows for Stones Attorney to deny certain sitting of Jurors. They did not do so in this case. You disrespect our Jurisprudence system and trial by Jury by your comment.

She was not truthful when questioned under oath by the lawyers, so don't tell ME that I'm disrespectful of our jurisprudence system, dude.

 
 
 
lib50
Professor Silent
4.1.2  lib50  replied to  Jasper2529 @4.1.1    4 years ago
She was not truthful when questioned under oath by the lawyers, so don't tell ME that I'm disrespectful of our jurisprudence system, dude.

Stone must have really incompetent lawyers then.  They didn't make a peep.  And other than you and propaganda sites, where is the proof SHE lied about anything? 

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
4.1.3  Texan1211  replied to  lib50 @4.1.2    4 years ago
Stone must have really incompetent lawyers then.  They didn't make a peep.  And other than you and propaganda sites, where is the proof SHE lied about anything?

If Stone's lawyers knew about this woman and still seated her on the jury, then he has a real case for ineffectual representation.

If she didn't disclose info pertinent to the case, then there is a case for a mistrial.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
4.1.4  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  lib50 @4.1.2    4 years ago
Stone must have really incompetent lawyers then.  They didn't make a peep. 

In a federal case lawyers on either side submit questions. The judge then has the final say on jurors. Do I think Judge Amy Berman Jackson will do the right thing?   Not a chance.   She is moving towards sentencing and leaving execution of the sentence until the court addresses Stone's request for a new trial.

The prosecutors were biased, the foreperson on the Jury was biased and the Judge seems biased. Look at the world Obama has left us.

 
 
 
Jasper2529
Professor Quiet
4.1.5  Jasper2529  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1.4    4 years ago
and the Judge seems biased.

Amy Berman Jackson, liberal political activist and Obama appointee.

In 2013 Judge Jackson  rejected arguments from the Catholic Church  that Obamacare’s requirements that employers provide cost free coverage to contraceptive services is contrary to their religious beliefs and violated their religious and free speech freedoms. This was overturned by the Supreme Court.

In 2017 Judge   Jackson dismissed the wrongful death suit against Hillary Clinton   filed by two of the families who lost loved ones in Benghazi. The families argued that Clinton had done little to help their sons and then lied to cover it up.

Then on January 19th of this year [2018], a Paul Manafort’s case was   reassigned to Judge Jackson on January 19 th , a few weeks after being filed.

It is unknown why she was assigned to this case or by whom.

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Guide
4.1.6  Split Personality  replied to  Texan1211 @4.1.3    4 years ago

And if Stone's lawyers knew this and let it go, counting on her becoming a possible cause for mistrial,

they could be disbarred ( no pun intended ).

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
4.1.7  Texan1211  replied to  Split Personality @4.1.6    4 years ago
And if Stone's lawyers knew this and let it go, counting on her becoming a possible cause for mistrial,
they could be disbarred ( no pun intended ).

So, it is like I stated above--there is either a case for ineffectual representation or a mistrial if the juror withheld info or lied.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
4.1.8  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Jasper2529 @4.1.5    4 years ago

A fair assessment

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Guide
4.1.9  Split Personality  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1.8    4 years ago

A fair assessment from a source we are not allowed to use as the basis for an article?

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QUESTIONABLE SOURCE

A questionable source exhibits one or more of the following: extreme bias, consistent promotion of propaganda/conspiracies, poor or no sourcing to credible information, a complete lack of transparency and/or is fake news. Fake News is the deliberate attempt to publish hoaxes and/or disinformation for the purpose of profit or influence ( Learn More ). Sources listed in the Questionable Category may be very untrustworthy and should be fact checked on a per article basis. Please note sources on this list are not considered fake news unless specifically written in the reasoning section for that source.  See all Questionable sources.

  • Overall, we rate The Gateway Pundit Questionable based on extreme right wing bias, promotion of conspiracies and numerous instances of publishing false (fake) news.

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Reasoning: Extreme Right, Propaganda, Conspiracy, Nationalism, Some Fake News

No thanks.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
4.1.10  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Split Personality @4.1.9    4 years ago

I agree with you about the source. They did, however, manage to reach the right conclusion - an obvious one!

 
 
 
Jasper2529
Professor Quiet
4.1.11  Jasper2529  replied to  Split Personality @4.1.9    4 years ago
A fair assessment from a source we are not allowed to use as the basis for an article?

Since I did not use The Gateway Pundit as the basis for an article or seed in comment 4.1.5 , what's your point?

Feel free to fact check Judge Amy Berman Jackson's history for yourself, and you'll find the same that I posted in comment 4.1.5 within other sources.

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Guide
4.1.12  Split Personality  replied to  Jasper2529 @4.1.11    4 years ago
Amy Berman Jackson, liberal political activist and Obama appointee.

You expressed a partisan opinion backed up by what you and others believe is some sort of evidence of bias.

She's as much a liberal political activist as you are.

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Guide
4.1.13  Split Personality  replied to  Jasper2529 @4.1.11    4 years ago

How are judges assigned to cases?

Judge assignment methods vary. The basic considerations in making assignments are to assure equitable distribution of caseloads and avoid judge shopping. By statute, the chief judge of each district court has the responsibility to enforce the court's rules and orders on case assignments. Each court has a written plan or system for assigning cases. The majority of courts use some variation of a random drawing. One simple method is to rotate the names of available judges. At times judges having special expertise can be assigned cases by type, such as complex criminal cases, asbestos-related cases, or prisoner cases. The benefit of this system is that it takes advantage of the expertise developed by judges in certain areas. Sometimes cases may be assigned based on geographical considerations. For example, in a large geographical area it may be best to assign a case to a judge located at the site where the case was filed. Courts also have a system to check if there is any conflict that would make it improper for a judge to preside over a particular case.

 
 
 
Cathar
Freshman Silent
5  Cathar    4 years ago

NOT ONCE has Mr. Barr intervened in a sentencing guideline filing. Only now that it is tRumps political hack that he does.

Show us the pattern of concern for similar defendants CONVICTED of a crime being reviewed. Obviously Barr can not. The sheer perversion of our Rule of Law by the Grifter King is bad enough. But the wholesale sellout of the Rule of Law by the GOP is a mortal sin against our Constitution than tRump's venereal one.

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Guide
6  Tacos!    4 years ago

The Democratic opposition takes ordinary behavior and turns it into a scandal. It has been going during the entirety of this administration and even before.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Expert
6.1  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Tacos! @6    4 years ago

"The Democratic opposition takes ordinary behavior and turns it into a scandal. "

Would that be like taking an electoral loss and fabricating things to come up with fictitious charges?

 
 

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