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'Descended into madness': second Republican senator says Trump must go

  
Via:  Bob Nelson  •  5 years ago  •  30 comments

By:   Martin Pengelly (the Guardian)

'Descended into madness': second Republican senator says Trump must go



Democrats ready to bring articles of impeachment but House whip says process may wait until Biden nominees confirmed

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The FBI has to move fast.

We want to see the first indictments for sedition before the inauguration.

That might prevent violence.



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Democrats calling for Donald Trump's removal following the deadly US Capitol riots will introduce articles of impeachment as early as Monday, but may be willing to wait for a Senate trial until long after Joe Biden takes office in nine days' time.

Political chess in Washington continued on Sunday, as the White House belatedly lowered its US flag to half-staff, in honour of those who died on Wednesday.

From the Senate, Democratic leader Chuck Schumer said he had asked FBI director Christopher Wray "relentlessly pursue" the attackers.

"The threat of violent extremist groups remains high," Schumer said in a statement, pointing to Biden's inauguration on 20 January. Security has been stepped up around the Capitol.

Trump faced growing calls from within his own party to step down, with one prominent Republican senator accusing him of a "descent into madness" over his goading of the insurrection that left five dead.

"The behaviour was outrageous, and there should be accountability," Pat Toomey, of Pennsylvania, told CNN's State of the Union. "The president's behaviour after the election was wildly different than his behaviour before he descended into a level of madness and engaged in activity that was just absolutely unthinkable and unforgivable."

Trump's resignation, Toomey said, becoming the second Republican senator to call for the president to go, "is the best path forward, the best way to get this person in the rearview mirror."

In a survey by ABC News and Ipsos published on Sunday, 56% of respondents said Trump should be removed before inauguration day, 20 January. A higher number, 67%, held Trump responsible for the Capitol violence.

original Pro-Trump supporters and far-right forces flooded Washington DC to protest Trump's election loss on 6 January.
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The president remained at the White House on Sunday, silent without his Twitter account and isolated even from Vice-President Mike Pence, according to reports, as senior Democrats plotted their next steps.

James Clyburn, the House majority whip, told CNN a single article of impeachment, which accuses Trump of "inciting an insurrection" and having "gravely endangered the security of the United States and its institutions", would be presented to the House of Representatives.

"It may be Tuesday or Wednesday before action is taken but it will be taken this week," Clyburn said.

A vote to impeach Trump for a second time, a near certainty given the Democratic House majority, would send the case to the Senate for trial, where a two-thirds majority would see his removal.

But the timing is at the discretion of House speaker Nancy Pelosi, who would likely choose to wait until after Biden's inauguration, Clyburn said. Biden has been lukewarm about an impeachment, and concerns are growing among Democrats that an early trial would distract from important Senate business, such as confirming cabinet members and passing Covid-19 relief.

"Let's give President Biden the 100 days he needs to get his agenda off and running and maybe we'll send the articles sometime after that," Clyburn said.

The congressman also promoted a possible second article of impeachment, related to Trump's false claims of election fraud and an infamous call pressuring Georgia's secretary of state to "find" enough votes to reverse defeat there.

"We heard it on the phone, begging at one time, ordering at another time, and threatening criminal action to overturn the vote to find him 11,700 odd votes. And he did it in order to be declared the victor. That is impeachable," he said.

Yesterday's events continued the fast-moving pace of developments since a mob attacked the Capitol, smashing, stealing and confronting law enforcement. A Capitol police officer died, reportedly after being struck with a fire extinguisher. One Trump supporter was shot and killed by law enforcement.

original Supporters of Donald Trump are confronted by Capitol police officers outside the Senate chamber.
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Multiple arrests have been made, including of men who brought firearms and explosives to Washington. Rioters were reportedly seen with handcuffs, indicating plans to kidnap lawmakers. Outside, protesters brandished a gallows and noose. Inside, chants of "Hang Mike Pence" were heard, directed at the vice-president presiding over the electoral college count.

On Sunday, the Washington Post reported that the attending physician to Congress told members that those who took refuge in a "large committee hearing space" may have been exposed to someone with a coronavirus infection.

On Friday Trump, who urged supporters to march on Congress, saw his Twitter account suspended, denying him the mouthpiece he has used to spread lies and incite violence.

The backlash against Trump has continued to gain momentum, with several cabinet members and allies resigning and chatter increasing about a possible invocation of the 25th amendment, which provides for the removal of a president deemed incapable.

But any such move seems certain not to succeed and other Republicans, including Alaska senator Lisa Murkowski, have called for Trump to resign in favour of Pence, thereby echoing Richard Nixon's decision to hand power to Gerald Ford in 1974. That also seems unlikely.

"Every minute and every hour that [Trump] is in office represents a clear and present danger, not just to the United States Congress but, frankly, to the country," the Democratic congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez told ABC's This Week.

"If we allow insurrection against the United States with impunity, with no accountability, we are inviting it to happen again. If a foreign head of state ordered an attack on the United States Congress, would we say that that should not be prosecuted? No. It is an act of insurrection. It's an act of hostility."

The Republican congressman Adam Kinzinger, a vocal Trump critic, said the president had instigated "one of the worst days in American history. He stirred up a crowd. It was an executive branch attack on the legislative branch. We were very close to actually having members of Congress killed. We were blessed on one hand to not losing members of Congress, but we lost five people and it's disgusting."

There has also been fierce criticism of senators Ted Cruz and Josh Hawley, who objected to the certification of Biden's win after the riot and now face calls to resign.

original Thousands of pro-Trump supporters surround the the US Capitol during protest on 6 January.
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The FBI and other agencies are continuing their examination of the circumstances of the insurrection, including allegations that Pentagon officials loyal to Trump blocked the deployment of national guard troops for three hours after officials in Washington called for help.

"We couldn't actually cross over the border into DC without the OK and that was quite some time [coming]," the Republican governor of Maryland, Larry Hogan, told CNN.

"Eventually I got a call from Brian McCarthy, the secretary of the army, asking if we could come into the city, but we had already been mobilising, we already had our police, we already had our guard mobilised, and we were just waiting for that call."


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Bob Nelson
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1  seeder  Bob Nelson    5 years ago
The FBI and other agencies are continuing their examination of the circumstances of the insurrection, including allegations that Pentagon officials loyal to Trump blocked the deployment of national guard troops for three hours after officials in Washington called for help.

I hope so.

 
 
 
Kavika
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1.1  Kavika   replied to  Bob Nelson @1    5 years ago

A lone FBI supervisor sent in 2 or 3 teams of agents without authorization. He was one of the few that seemed to understand what the hell was transpiring. 

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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1.1.1  seeder  Bob Nelson  replied to  Kavika @1.1    5 years ago

OMG!!

Initiative!

 
 
 
TᵢG
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2  TᵢG    5 years ago

10 more days and then Trump will for certain be out of power.  

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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2.1  seeder  Bob Nelson  replied to  TᵢG @2    5 years ago
Trump will... be out of power

That's good... but far from sufficient.  Treason was committed.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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2.1.1  TᵢG  replied to  Bob Nelson @2.1    5 years ago

At this point my key concern is Trump being out of power.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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2.1.2  Greg Jones  replied to  Bob Nelson @2.1    5 years ago
Treason was committed

No it wasn't...and it didn't amount to an insurrection either.

And going for another impeachment is a really stupid idea, since the stench from the first attempt still clings to the clueless Democrats.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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2.1.3  seeder  Bob Nelson  replied to  Greg Jones @2.1.2    5 years ago

It was technically "sedition". But I think "treason" is appropriate. Since a cop was killed, there may be some level of murder/manslaughter.

Criminals, in any case.

You are excusing criminals.

That kinda makes you an accessory after the fact.

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
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2.1.4  Thrawn 31  replied to  Greg Jones @2.1.2    5 years ago

Greg, go follow the soap bubble... there you go... there you go... you almost have it!. 

Moving on, It was without a doubt sedition, and the democrats have to push a second impeachment, if for no other reason than optics. The Dem base HATES trump and wants to see him held accountable for all the bullshit andcrimes he has committed, the dems need to do that.  

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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2.1.5  seeder  Bob Nelson  replied to  Thrawn 31 @2.1.4    5 years ago

Impeachment is necessary because it would be very unhealthy for the nation for the instigator of an assault on Congress to escape punishment.

 
 
 
Krishna
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2.1.6  Krishna  replied to  Greg Jones @2.1.2    5 years ago
Treason was committed

No it wasn't...and it didn't amount to an insurrection either.

And going for another impeachment is a really stupid idea, since the stench from the first attempt still clings to the clueless Democrats.

Ours guys won-- your's lost.

Time to get over it!

 
 
 
Krishna
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2.1.7  Krishna  replied to  Krishna @2.1.6    5 years ago
Ours guys won-- your's lost.

Unless you've forgotten:

  • Trump lost the presidential election-- and lost The Electoral College by a YUGE margin!  And despite incredible efforts by jis ass-kissers, no evidence of fraud was ever found.
  • Democrats won both Georgia Senate seats in the runoffs (and even worse for Trump's bigoted supporters-- one seat was won by a Black man, the other won by a Jew! jrSmiley_4_smiley_image.png
  • As a result of these elections, the Presidency flipped, the Senate flipped, and the House remained in Democratic control!

Nobody likes a loser-- especially a whiny one!

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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2.1.8  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Krishna @2.1.7    5 years ago
"Democrats won both Georgia Senate seats in the runoffs (and even worse for Trump's bigoted supporters-- one seat was won by a Black man, the other won by a Jew!"

My wife just came into my home office to find out why I was laughing so hard I almost fell off my chair.

 
 
 
bugsy
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3  bugsy    5 years ago

He is a senator from Pennsylvania, and he realizes his days are numbered there unless he said what he did.

Nothing more than politics to save his ass and his cushy job.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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3.1  sandy-2021492  replied to  bugsy @3    5 years ago

He's retiring.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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3.1.1  TᵢG  replied to  sandy-2021492 @3.1    5 years ago

Funny how statements by politicians are so tied to their own political careers.   We have a bunch of automatons in Congress doing and saying whatever they think will help them in their careers.   Not until they are done do we start seeing honesty (typically).

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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3.1.2  sandy-2021492  replied to  TᵢG @3.1.1    5 years ago

And unfortunate that they're probably right in their assessment of their voters.

 
 
 
Krishna
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3.1.3  Krishna  replied to  TᵢG @3.1.1    5 years ago
We have a bunch of automatons in Congress doing and saying whatever they think will help them in their careers

Most-- but not all.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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4  seeder  Bob Nelson    5 years ago

Capitol attack: two men arrested over zip-tie handcuff allegations

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Two men who are believed to have been seen carrying plastic “zip tie” handcuffs during the deadly riot at the US Capitol – suggesting plans to kidnap lawmakers in an attempt to overturn Donald Trump’s election defeat – were arrested on Sunday.

The US Department of Justice announced charges against Larry Rendell Brock of Texas and Eric Gavelek Munchel of Tennessee and said the cases were being prosecuted by the US attorney for the District of Columbia and the counterterrorism section of the DoJ.

“It is alleged that Brock was identified as one of the individuals who unlawfully entered the US Capitol,” a DoJ statement said, adding that he had been “wearing a green helmet, green tactical vest with patches, black and camo jacket, and beige pants holding a white flex cuff, which is used by law enforcement to restrain and/or detain subjects”.

Munchel was alleged to have been photographed “carrying plastic restraints, an item in a holster on his right hip, and a cellphone mounted on his chest with the camera facing outward”.

The DoJ also said the FBI was still “looking for individuals who may have incited or promoted violence of any kind”.

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Krishna
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4.1  Krishna  replied to  Bob Nelson @4    5 years ago
The US Department of Justice announced charges against Larry Rendell Brock of Texas and Eric Gavelek Munchel of Tennessee and said the cases were being prosecuted by the US attorney for the District of Columbia and the counterterrorism section of the DoJ.

Unfortunately this won't amount to much. (it would be different if arrests were by State or Local authorities.

 
 
 
Krishna
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4.1.1  Krishna  replied to  Krishna @4.1    5 years ago

I could be wrong, but since these are Federal offenses, Trump will probably pardon them all.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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4.1.2  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Krishna @4.1.1    5 years ago

That's one of the reasons to get Trump out of there IMMEDIATELY.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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5  JohnRussell    5 years ago

If Trump is not punished now he will be back probably sooner than later ,making trouble, acting like he is the victim of everything and continuing to try and ruin this country .  Someone needs to step up and show this guy he's not in charge

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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5.1  seeder  Bob Nelson  replied to  JohnRussell @5    5 years ago

Absolutely!

 
 
 
TᵢG
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5.2  TᵢG  replied to  JohnRussell @5    5 years ago

I suspect Trump will continue playing the victim as long as he can get access to a venue where he can send messages.   If he is not in jail, I fully expect him to be continuing to convince people that he really, really did not lose and that he really, really is not a loser.

Also, expect a book.

 
 
 
Gordy327
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5.2.1  Gordy327  replied to  TᵢG @5.2    5 years ago

I'm surprised there isn't a book already. Trump tweets enough to fill a book.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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5.2.2  TᵢG  replied to  Gordy327 @5.2.1    5 years ago

The man can ramble on too.   He probably could dictate an entire book in a day.  It would be incoherent and pointless, but it would have lots of words (the best words too).

 
 
 
Krishna
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5.2.3  Krishna  replied to  Gordy327 @5.2.1    5 years ago
I'm surprised there isn't a book already.

No need to be surprised!

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Gordy327
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5.2.4  Gordy327  replied to  TᵢG @5.2.2    5 years ago
but it would have lots of words (the best words too).

Really really terrific words. Nobody has books with better words. And pictures too, for the poorly educated.

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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5.2.5  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  TᵢG @5.2.2    5 years ago

384

 
 

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