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"Some of my friends are Republicans. Are you saying they're all fascists?"

  
By:  Bob Nelson  •  last year  •  42 comments


"Some of my friends are Republicans. Are you saying they're all fascists?"



No... but if they aren't fascists themselves, then they clearly don't mind frequenting fascists.

Or maybe some self-styled Republicans don't know where their party wants to take them.

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For starters... what exactly is "fascism"? You know how to use dictionaries and Wikipedia, so you can fact-check me. 

Fascism has two primary components: authoritarianism and xenophobia (expressed in America as racism). 

"The Leader is above the law." "Our nation's problems are the fault of ____." These are the policies of the Republican Party, limpidly demonstrated by all that occurred before, during, and after Jan6. 

The Republican Party is working in all their states to limit the vote, particularly of minorities. 

The Republican Party ressorts to gerrymandering to accomplish both purposes: limit the rights of minorities and control the political machine.

There are surely some people who call themselves "Republicans" who are neither authoritarian nor racist. But they don't object when their leaders show zero respect for the law, or blame some minority for America's problems. They are willingly "fellow-travelers".

Fascism refuses human rights. Fascism refuses individual rights. Fascism refuses the rule of law. That is the Republican Party today.

Side-note: "fascist " and "Nazi" are NOT synonyms. All Nazis are fascists, but not all fascists are Nazis. While all fascists ignore human rights to abuse minorities, the Nazis were unique in their single-minded murder.


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Bob Nelson
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1  author  Bob Nelson    last year

By posting to this seed, you are  agreeing  to abide by the  Group's Rules .

The preceding sentence is not there for decoration. Read the rules before complaining about them.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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2  Perrie Halpern R.A.    last year

You are missing elements to what fascism is. From wiki:

Fascism  is a  far-right authoritarian ultranationalist  political ideology and movement, [1] [2] [3]  characterized by a  dictatorial  leader, centralized  autocracy militarism , forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of  individual interests  for the perceived good of the nation and race, and strong regimentation of society and the economy. [2] [3]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism#:~:text=Fascism%20is%20a%20far%2Dright,of%20the%20nation%20and%20race

Now you could argue that some of the party is trying to be authoritarian, ultranationalist, but there is no dictator leader, centralized hold on the party. There is no "Autocracy", or "Militarism" >, They have people of other races in their party, so they don't subscribe as having a social hierarchy or national race or hold over our economy. 

So sorry Bob, you might not like the Republican party, but they are not fascists. 

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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2.1  author  Bob Nelson  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2    last year

I didn't say the US is fascist. It isn't... yet. So of course there's no dictatorial leader... yet. Trump isn't "President for life" because his Jan6 coup failed, but Republican leaders fell all over themselves to swear their fealty to him.

We don't have forcible suppression of opposition... yet. We do have suppression of voting. Particularly voting by minorities. Go through that list - those are all Republican objectives. History tells us that if fascists ever take power... they never give it up. Jan6 must be a wake up call, but the Republican Party doesn't want Americans to think about it.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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2.1.1  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Bob Nelson @2.1    last year

Bob, there are factions of the party that may be fascist, just like there are fractions of the Democrats that are socialist, but that does not make either party that.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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2.1.2  Texan1211  replied to  Bob Nelson @2.1    last year

please detail how anyone's vote is suppressed

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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2.1.3  author  Bob Nelson  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.1.1    last year

I'll ignore the illogical both-sides-ism.

I clearly stated - it is the goddam THEME of this article - that not all people who call themselves "Republican" are fascist. Their party and their leaders are "authoritarian and racist"  that is to say fascist. Trump, McConnell, McCarthy, and then all the loonies like MTG and Bobert. They disdain the law. They disdain rights.

Those LEADERS of the Republican Party want an end to rights and democracy in America. They are working to that end.

(Not at all incidentally...I appreciate that you read the article, understood it, and are making worthwhile Comments.)

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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2.1.4  author  Bob Nelson  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.2    last year

If you don't see it in the news every other day.......

 
 
 
bugsy
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2.1.5  bugsy  replied to  Bob Nelson @2.1.3    last year
Their party and their leaders are "authoritarian and racist"  that is to say fascist.

In what way, Bob?

How about pointing out some TRUE actions of these people that show they are fascist.

As a side comment..

Do you think the members of the "squad" are socialist?

 
 
 
Texan1211
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2.1.6  Texan1211  replied to  Bob Nelson @2.1.4    last year

I haven't seen reports where the Biden Justice Dept. is suing states for that violation of the US Constitution so I have to assume you made that part up.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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2.1.7  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Bob Nelson @2.1.3    last year

Bob, if you are going to get condescending with me, I will not play.

So I'll ignore the fact that you don't like the comparison I drew.

I totally understood that you were referring to the leadership of the party and not the members.

Their party and their leaders are "authoritarian and racist"

No Bob. The party has people in their leadership that may be "authoritarian and racist", but how authoritarian can a party be, that it took 14 votes to get McCarthy to be the speaker? In fact, I would say that the party is highly fractioned at this moment between old school Repubs and some nutters.

Those LEADERS of the Republican Party want an end to rights and democracy in America.

How? What have they done as a party to prove this?

Look, I am not a Republican. I'm pissed as hell at some of the crap they are trying to push through as legislation. But I believe words have specific meanings. And for the record, I do believe that this is how we met on NV.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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2.1.8  Greg Jones  replied to  Bob Nelson @2.1    last year

There was no suppression of voting, particularly voting by minorities.

More minorities voted than ever before. Your continued attempts to slander Republicans as a group has been a failure.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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2.1.9  Greg Jones  replied to  Bob Nelson @2.1.3    last year

Just about everything say on this topic is uninformed opinion.

And nobody here is taking it seriously.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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2.1.10  author  Bob Nelson  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.1.7    last year
How? What have they done as a party to prove this?

Refused to accept election results. Refused to take action against party members for their actions on Jan6. - The news almost constantly.

took 14 votes  

That's not really an indication of democracy. It shows that there's no effective leader in the House.

you don't like the comparison

Socialism is an economic system. Fascism is a political system. The two may be superposed, or may have nothing to do with each other. There is no reasonable comparison or opposition between them. 

How? What have they done as a party to prove this?

Almost all Republican state legislatures are limiting the vote, both when and how. 

Jackson Mississippi proves that the state party both authoritarian and racist.

I wonder if the evidence isn't so pervasive that we've grown accustomed.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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2.1.11  author  Bob Nelson  replied to  Greg Jones @2.1.9    last year

I hope our Mods are observing the relevance .....

 
 
 
Texan1211
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2.1.12  Texan1211  replied to  Bob Nelson @2.1.10    last year

how is the vote being limited and how are people actually affected by it?

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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2.1.13  author  Bob Nelson  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.12    last year

Google is your friend 

 
 
 
Texan1211
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2.1.14  Texan1211  replied to  Bob Nelson @2.1.13    last year

it is but I can't find any facts to support your theory and was hoping you had some since its your claim.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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2.1.15  Texan1211  replied to  Bob Nelson @2.1.13    last year

if I said tge Democratic Party was Socialist, would you think that someone would demand proof from me?

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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2.1.16  author  Bob Nelson  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.14    last year

I understand that Google is a difficult technology for some people. Try "voting restrictions 2022". 

 
 
 
Texan1211
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2.1.17  Texan1211  replied to  Bob Nelson @2.1.16    last year

every state has voting restrictions.

are you claiming all restrictions are bad?

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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2.1.18  author  Bob Nelson  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.15    last year

No. It's a stupid thing to say, best ignored.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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2.1.19  Texan1211  replied to  Bob Nelson @2.1.18    last year

so you just randomly spouted nonsense about voting restrictions but are unable to define how they affect voters, got it.

I guess I'll chalk that up as yet more proof Reagan was right.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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2.1.20  author  Bob Nelson  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.17    last year

Google it.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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2.1.21  author  Bob Nelson  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.17    last year

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Perrie Halpern R.A.
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2.1.22  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Bob Nelson @2.1.10    last year
Refused to accept election results. Refused to take action against party members for their actions on Jan6. - The news almost constantly.

Donald Trump and his allies refused to. Not the party at large. I am not happy that they were not part of the Jan 6, but then again, they are not going to shoot themselves in the foot, are they?

That's not really an indication of democracy. It shows that there's no effective leader in the House.

No is shows no central control, no authoritative force from within the party, sans a few of Trump's sycophants. 

Socialism is an economic system. Fascism is a political system

Socialism is supposed to be an economic system,yet according to Wiki:

Socialism is a political philosophy and movement encompassing a range of economic and social systems, which are characterised by social ownership of the means of production, as opposed to private ownership.   Wikipedia

Fascism is more than a political system since it also encompasses state-owned businesses.

Almost all Republican state legislatures are limiting the vote, both when and how. 

Yes, they are. It's how they stay in power. Dem cities do it, too. We also allow Gerrymandering which in MHO, sucks.

Jackson Mississippi proves that the state party both authoritarian and racist.

No doubt that there is racism there, but remember that the people who vote Dem in that state are overwhelmingly black...

I wonder if the evidence isn't so pervasive that we've grown accustomed.

Only if you are blind or chose to be.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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2.1.23  Texan1211  replied to  Bob Nelson @2.1.20    last year

I googled it and can not find any credible stories about all this voter suppression which will come as big news to Biden's JD and was hoping you at least had SOMETHING to offer besides mere unsubstantiated claims.

 
 
 
CB
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2.1.24  CB  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.1.22    last year
Editorial

Republicans don’t have to listen to their Black colleagues. That’s how they designed it.

adam-crop-1-80x80.jpg by Adam Ganucheau February 13, 2023

Mississippi Republican legislative leaders don’t have to listen when their Black colleagues tell them that they’re stripping voting power from Black Mississippians.

They don’t have to listen when they’re told that they’re passing a bill that is bound for yet another federal court battle, that they’re stoking racial division across the state, that they’re once again drawing horrible national attention, that they’re dragging Mississippi back in time.

Republicans have carefully created for themselves a legislative body with virtually unlimited and unchecked power. It allows them to completely shut people who don’t look like them or think like them out of the legislative process, and they often use it to pass legislation that stretches the limits of democracy.

This is no accident. Over the past 30 years, as Mississippi’s electorate shifted from the Democratic to Republican Party, Republicans used their newfound power to strategically redraw legislative districts and give themselves supermajority control of both the Senate and House. They can, without any say whatsoever from Democrats, pass any bill they want. Inside the Capitol, a small handful of GOP leaders have drawn up rules that give them all the power, and rank-and-file legislators — including the vast majority of Republican legislators — wield little influence over what passes or fails.

Democrats, meanwhile, the party of the overwhelming majority of Black Mississippians, have no voting power at all inside the Capitol. They can give impassioned speeches at the wells, they can stretch debates to four-plus hours, they can walk off the floor to protest racist bills, they can hold fiery press conferences, but they cannot stop Republicans from passing any single piece of legislation.

There is almost never partisan compromise. There is rarely genuine debate. There is plenty of one-sided control.

With this power, Republicans have passed all sorts of legislation the past couple years despite vocal pushback from Black lawmakers: a critical race theory ban, which famously led every Black senator to walk off the floor in protest before the final vote; tighter legislative and congressional redistricting maps that diluted Black voting strength; the nation’s strictest voting laws in a state with a sordid, racist history; massive tax cuts that disproportionately affect poor and Black taxpayers; and anti-LGBTQ legislation that threatens the lives of a vulnerable population.

But perhaps no legislation better showcases the unilateral GOP control under the dome better than House Bill 1020, which passed the House late in the evening of Feb. 7.

Yes, the national headlines you read last week were accurate: A mostly-white House supermajority passed a bill that would create a completely white-appointed judicial district and expand the police force within the whiter areas of Jackson, the Blackest large city in America.

NOTE: More great context on the link:    

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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2.1.25  author  Bob Nelson  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.1.22    last year
Donald Trump and his allies refused to. Not the party at large.

The House delegation refused massively to validate the election.

Fascism is more than a political system since it also encompasses state-owned businesses.

Fascism can be partnered with any economic system, but has most often been capitalist. 

Only if you are blind or chose to be.

I really don't understand. Are you saying that one would have to be blind not to see the evidence?

 
 
 
Texan1211
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2.1.26  Texan1211  replied to  Bob Nelson @2.1.25    last year
The House delegation refused massively to validate the election

And yet, Joe Biden is President. So much for authoritative fascists, eh?

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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2.1.27  author  Bob Nelson  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.26    last year

So... we know what they would do if ever they held power.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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2.1.28  Texan1211  replied to  Bob Nelson @2.1.27    last year
So... we know what they would do if ever they held power.

No, what you think you 'know' is just mere speculation, yet you treat it as established fact when it simply isn't no matter how many times you repeat the nonsense.

 
 
 
bugsy
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2.1.29  bugsy  replied to  Bob Nelson @2.1.27    last year
we know what they would do if ever they held power.

No, we don't Bob.

How about you "enlighten" us

Keep in mind Trump was president only 2 years ago, and was so for four years.

If he wanted to be authoritative, he would have done so sometime in that 4 years.

 
 
 
CB
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2.2  CB  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2    last year

I will say this about the republican party: These people are skirting the edges of militarism (trying it on for size and fit) with these nationalists para-militaristic militias needing something important to do before they all age out! As for the minorities/other 'ethnics' in the republican party. . . when the time comes for a declaration of 'war,' that is after all other measures are stable, with a stroke of a pen: They will be out on the "street" voluntarily or involuntarily peeking in through the 'window' at their now former set of 'friends.'

I can not trust some/these conservatives or give them the benefit of a doubt anymore. They are surely up to no-good day in and day out:  A topical activity in a red-state majority state:

Mississippi Republicans Want Separate Police Force for White, Black Areas

By Nick Reynolds On 2/10/23 at 5:59 PM EST

Mississippi's Black community was incensed earlier this week after state lawmakers proposed to create a separate justice system within the city of Jackson that would overrule the majority Black city council and put a large swath of the local justice system completely in the hands of state officials, all of whom are white.

As reported by Mississippi Today, the legislation would allow the state's white chief justice of the Mississippi Supreme Court, its white attorney general, and the white state public safety commissioner to appoint new judges, new prosecutors, new public defenders and new police officers to oversee a new district in the city encompassing all of the city's majority-white neighborhoods, effectively creating a separate justice system for whites in what is statistically considered the Blackest city in America.

And it would do so without any of those officials receiving a single vote of support from any resident from Jackson, 80 percent of whom are Black .

"It reminds me of apartheid," Jackson Mayor Chokwe Antar Lumumba told the website Tuesday.

Newsweek has contacted Lumumba for comment, as well as all three of the bill's principal sponsors, who claimed on the floor of the Mississippi Legislature that the foremost aim of the bill was "public safety" amid concerns of crime rates in Jackson.

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Jackson Mayor Chokwe Antar Lumumba (left) and Mississippi Gov. Tate Reeves (right). Mississippi's Black community was incensed earlier this week after state lawmakers proposed to create a separate justice system within the city of Jackson that would overrule the majority Black city council and put a large swath of the local justice system completely in the hands of state officials, all of whom are white.Newsweek Photo Illustration/Getty Images

However, some legal observers described the effort by the Mississippi Legislature as an attempt by white conservative politicians to erode the Black vote in a way that had not been seen since the Jim Crow era.

Many of the Republican lawmakers who voted for the bill notably occupy districts that are currently under dispute by groups like the American Civil Liberties Union for diluting the Black vote, while others noted that the area's relatively low crime rate compared to the rest of the state offered little justification for a police force separate from Jackson's.

"I am shocked by this," Bill Quigley, an emeritus professor of law at Loyola University-New Orleans and a former litigator for the NAACP Legal Fund, told Newsweek . "I know of no other such legislation in judicial elections or selections in decades. This is not a step backwards. This is a complete Olympic-level broad jump backwards to Jim Crow era politics."

Such a system, Quigley said, was "the rule for decades" in the South until the passage of the 1965 Voting Rights Act, formally prohibiting arbitrary rules like poll taxes and literacy tests designed to bar Black Americans from the polls. And under that law, the Mississippi Legislature's latest proposal would likely be found unconstitutional under its merits as having a clear racial bias under the protections provided by the 14 th amendment of the United States Constitution.

Lumumba, as he told The Nation magazine upon his election in 2020, sought to transform Jackson into "the most radical city on the planet," introducing policies like Universal Basic Income, a reformed police department, and other progressive policies. With many of his policy promises undelivered—not to mention his administration crippled by crisis after crisis—Lumumba has found himself under constant scrutiny from Mississippi's conservative establishment, even earning the label of "incompetent" from troubled Republican Governor Tate Reeves at a pre-Thanksgiving turkey pardoning last fall.

"This city was once a great city, and it has the potential to be a great city again," Reeves said at the time, blaming the mayor and his administration for a series of woes including crime, its broken water system , and other issues.

The protections under the VRA that would have protected Jackson, however, have been eroded over time, with an upcoming case in the conservative-led U.S. Supreme Court— Merrill v. Milligan —expected to chip away at those protections even further.

Any challenge to Mississippi's proposed law under that scenario, Quigley said, would likely be an uphill battle.

The city would first need to prove clear racial bias. Then, the city would need to establish that the state broke the law in imposing new regulations for one specific jurisdiction—in this case, Jackson—intended to "single them out" for political retribution. State leaders had recently been highly critical of Lumumba's administration and, in particular, the liberal leanings of the city, potentially creating cause to claim the move was politically motivated.

The only problem: Mississippi, unlike other states, does not have a clause in its constitution barring laws specifically targeting one group, complicating any legal challenge the city might have.


The red-state power players in Mississippi are deserting the black population constituency in Jackson, Mississippi. It's blatantly racial politics (in Mississippi) and done or will be completed with a proverbial, 'stroke of a pen' as Governor Reeves will 'act' to make it so—whether it passes constitutional muster or not later! It's not for a lack of trying. Republicans/conservatives are trying for all they are worth to takeover liberal spaces, replace liberal policies, and control liberal outcomes. They no longer label their activities blatant racism; they charge it to CONSERVATISM.  And if any conservative (AKA: "RINO") does not like their austerity politics that conservative can exit the party!

 
 
 
cjcold
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3  cjcold    last year

Grew up a liberal in a tiny midwestern town surrounded by redneck republicans.

Learned how to fight and to keep my big mouth shut (mostly).

Never felt that this world is all white or all black. Gray is my favorite color.

However, far right red fascists seriously annoy me.

Far right anthropogenic climate change deniers and young earthers also annoy me.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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3.1  author  Bob Nelson  replied to  cjcold @3    last year

My guess is that a lot of country-bred Germans were saying something similar a century ago.

 
 
 
cjcold
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3.1.1  cjcold  replied to  Bob Nelson @3.1    last year
a lot of country-bred Germans

Reminds me of the tea party and MAGA.

Fascism at its worst.

 
 
 
CB
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3.1.2  CB  replied to  Bob Nelson @3.1    last year

Many, many, years ago (when I was early 20's) I knew a German woman living in the Black community and working there. She loved Black people enough to want our daily company. Anyway, she had the proper accent for Germans, it turned out. That's why I one day on the job I asked her where she was from and she quietly and weakly stated: "Germany." And moved off of the topic. It took me many years (older) to realize why she stated it that way. She was embarrassed for what her country had done during the war, which led her to move to the states

It is important to understand that the average black person does not retain or hold resentment against white people or Germans (during World War II) who had a leadership that was anti: Jewish/Black/Homosexual/Others. What we really want in our heart of hearts is people to do right by us, in general as well as the nation to do right by us as a whole.

Black people and people of color are intelligent and savvy enough to know who means them well and who does not! Who has truly repented of past racial attitudes, misdemeanors, and felonies and who just mouthing the word: "Sorry."

We just want to be left alone to our own devices to homogenize without some conservatives trying to tell us ("Great White Father Syndrome") how we should/will do so. Or worse, conservatives who insist that we will not be anything other than a solid 'block-entity' they can never properly assimilate/accept as sufficiently equal.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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3.1.3  author  Bob Nelson  replied to  cjcold @3.1.1    last year

Yup

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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3.1.4  author  Bob Nelson  replied to  CB @3.1.2    last year
What we really want in our heart of hearts is people to do right by us ...

I sincerely wish you the best of luck... but I'm not convinced...

Do you really see no difference between the parties?

 
 
 
CB
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3.1.5  CB  replied to  Bob Nelson @3.1.4    last year

Yes, of course, I seen major 'discrepancies' and have major issues with the republican/conservative mindset! Emphatically.

For instance, take "Dreamers" with escalating numbers between hundreds of thousands and several millions only want somewhere to be permanently accepted-namely, their home country: the United States. But who, for ideological reasons, are blocking their assess to acceptance: Republicans and conservatives who have turned the whole proceeding into one long and indefinite missed opportunity.

The truth is Dreamers and DACA recipients would be eternally grateful to both parties for letting them get on with the business of their lives with proper documentation and permanency. It would 'clear' their minds to think about more-other important issues. It would be a "win-win" from the Dreamers/DACA recipients perspectives. But, republicans/conservatives have engaged them in a "You shall not pass" political stalemate, because their narrative goes it would mean more for the liberals in this country quantifiably.

It just might. Then again, all things being equal-republicans will get their initial gracious number of dreamers and recipients and the remaining folks they can compete for after the manner they do voting constituents now.

Instead, there is nothing but confusion, anger, distrust, and humiliation that appears unsolvable. This is the fault of republicans and conservatives! They are cutting off their own numbers and spiting the country in the process!

 
 
 
Ronin2
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4  Ronin2    last year

Tell us again which party are Fascists:

Which party wanted to Federalize all voting laws in defiance of the Constitution?

Which party wanted to stack the Supreme Court?

Which party weaponized the IRS against their political opponents?

Which party has weaponized the DOJ and FBI against their political opponents?

You can throw in the difference in the way the FBI and DOJ are handling the Summer of Love rioters (who committed far worse acts) and the Jan 6th rioters. The way Brandon's document crisis is being handle as compared to Trump's. Still waiting for the FBI to storm all of Brandon's residences and offices in search of documents- he has only had some illegally as far back as his Senate days. The way that the Hunter criminal investigation is being slow walked into oblivion when the DA that is in charge has enough evidence to convict him of tax fraud and illegal firearm possession. How no special prosecutor has been appointed to investigate Brandon aka "the Big Guy" and his obvious connection the Hunter's influence peddling and money laundering. 

Democrats and leftists need to root the Fascists out in their own party; and government before they bitch about anyone else.

 
 
 
bugsy
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4.1  bugsy  replied to  Ronin2 @4    last year

It has been said many, many times that whenever a democrat/liberal claims that a republican is doing something, usually with no proof, you can be assured that democrats/liberals are ACTUALLY involved in the vary same act.

Sane Americans find this more true today than ever before.

 
 

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