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The Clearest (No Spin) Summary of FBI Report on Hillary Clinton Email

  

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Via:  sixpick  •  8 years ago  •  24 comments

The Clearest (No Spin) Summary of FBI Report on Hillary Clinton Email

by Sharyl Attkisson September 10, 2016

The Takeaways. The Players. The Timeline.


 

The Takeaways


 

The FBI could not review all of the Hillary Clinton emails under investigation because:

 

  • The Clintons’ Apple personal server used for Hillary Clinton work email could not be located for the FBI to examine.
  • An Apple MacBook laptop and thumb drive that contained Hillary Clinton email archives were lost, and the FBI couldn’t examine them.
  • 2 BlackBerry devices provided to FBI didn’t have their SIM or SD data cards.
  • 13 Hillary Clinton personal mobile devices were lost, discarded or destroyed. Therefore, the FBI couldn’t examine them.
  • Various server backups were deleted over time, so the FBI couldn’t examine them.
  • After State Dept. notified Hillary Clinton her records would be sought by House Benghazi Committee, copies of her email on the laptops of her attorneys Cheryl Mills and Heather Samuelson were wiped with BleachBit, and the FBI couldn’t review them.
  • After her emails were subpoenaed, Hillary Clinton’s email archive was also permanently deleted from her then-server “PRN” with BleachBit, and the FBI couldn’t review it.
  • Also after the subpoena, backups of the PRN server were manually deleted.

Even though the FBI did not have a complete record of Hillary Clinton’s emails on three unclassified personal servers, it found:

  • 2,093 emails State Dept. currently classifies as Confidential or Secret. (State Dept. did not address what their classification was at the time they were sent.)
  • 193 emails (81 separate email conversations) that were classified at the time they were sent, ranging from “Confidential” to “Top Secret/Special Access Program.”
  • 68 of the 81 email chains remain classified today.
  • 8 were Top Secret.
  • 37 were Secret.
  • 36 were Confidential.
  • 7 were Special Access Program.
  • 3 were Sensitive Compartmentalized Information.
  • 36 were Not Releasing to Foreign Governments.
  • 2 were Releasable Only to Five Allied Partners.
  • 12 of the suspect email chains were not provided by Hillary’s attorneys. The FBI found them other ways.
  • The email chains contained classified information from 5 other agencies: CIA, DOD, FBI, NGA and NSA.

 

The Players (as they surface in timeline)


 

Justin Cooper : President Bill Clinton aide
Bryan Pagliano : Computer technician from Hillary Clinton ‘08 campaign
Huma Abedin : Hillary Clinton aide
Eric Boswell : State Dept. Assistant Secretary for Diplomatic Security
John Bentel : State Dept. Information Technology official who handled Hillary Clinton’s issues
Jake Sullivan : Hillary Clinton aide
Cheryl Mills : Hillary Clinton chief of staff and attorney
Raymond Maxwell : Former State Dept. Deputy Assistant Secretary
Monica Hanley : Hillary Clinton aide
Sid Blumenthal : Hillary Clinton friend and adviser
Heather Samuelson : Hillary Clinton campaign worker and attorney
David Kendall of Williams & Connolly : Hillary Clinton attorney

 

3 Known Clinton Private Servers: Apple, “Pagliano,” and Platte River Networks (PRN)

 

The Timeline


 

2007: Hillary Clinton announces run for President. Bill Clinton aide Justin Cooper buys an Apple server for a new email system to be located in the Clintons’ Chappaqua, NY residence.

 

June 2008: Hillary drops out of Presidential race. Cooper sets up the Apple server.

 

Fall 2008: Hillary aide Huma Abedin contacts Hillary campaign computer tech Bryan Pagliano to build 2nd server because the Apple—in use for just a few months—is “antiquated.”

Jan. 2009: Hillary begins transitioning from her personal BlackBerry.net email to a clintonemail.com account on the “antiquated” Apple server.

 

Jan. 11, 2009: Increase in cyberattack attempts on State Dept. employee personal email accounts.

 

Jan. 21, 2009: Hillary becomes secretary of state. She declines a State Dept. email address and instead uses her personal BlackBerry in office.

 

Feb. 2009: Hillary travels to Asia, her first overseas trip as secretary of state.

 

March 2, 2009: Security memo warns Hillary and Chief of Staff Cheryl Mills that it’s risky to use their personal email and BlackBerry devices.


I cannot stress too strongly…that any unclassified BlackBerry is highly vulnerable in any setting to remotely and covertly monitoring conversations, retrieving e-mails, and exploiting calendars. –State Dept. memo from Eric Boswell of Diplomatic Security 3/2/2009.


March 11, 2009: Hillary is told there’s “intelligence concerning this vulnerability during her recent [Feb.] trip to Asia.” She acknowledges to Boswell that she “gets it.”

March 2009: State Dept. official handling Hillary computer security issues, John Bentel, reportedly receives memo showing that Hillary’s private server was set to be installed at her NY home. Bentel would later tell FBI he didn’t know Hillary was using a personal account or server.

 

March 18, 2009: The server installed by Pagliano replaces the Apple, but Pagliano later tells FBI he didn’t transfer Hillary’s clintonemail.com account. The FBI could never locate or examine Apple server to determine facts.

 

Feb. 9, 2011: State Dept. staff again raises concerns about Hillary and staff using electronic devices in their offices.

 

March 2, 2011: State Dept. detects malicious cyber activity aimed at senior officials.

 

April 2011: Hillary’s immediate staff is briefed again on cybersecurity threats.

 

May 2011: Hillary’s immediate staff is briefed again.

 

Aug. 30, 2011: Hillary requests a government device to replace her broken BlackBerry. After she’s told it would be subject to Freedom of Information Act records searches, no government device is issued.

 

2011: Memo from Hillary cautions State Dept. employees about security and records retention, and advises not to use personal email for government business.

 

Sept. 11, 2012: Islamic extremist terrorists attack Americans in Benghazi, Libya.

 

Nov. 2012 : State Dept. Accountability Review Board convenes to investigate Benghazi. Hillary aides Cheryl Mills and Jake Sullivan are reportedly seen at allegedly improper Benghazi “ document sorting ” session in State Dept. basement.

 

Week of Dec. 9, 2012: Hillary faints and falls, suffering a concussion. State Dept. keeps it secret for several days.

 

Dec. 4, 2012:

  • Congressional investigators try to schedule interview with Bentel, Hillary’s State Dept. information technology officer.
  • He declines.
  • He retires from State Dept. in December.

 

Dec. 15, 2012: Hillary postpones her Congressional testimony on Benghazi due to illness.

 

Dec. 30, 2012 : State Dept. discloses discovery of “blood clot” in Clinton’s head from the concussion.

 

Early 2013: Pagliano plans to seek other work. Clinton staff begins searching for vendor to manage a new, 3rd Clinton email server.

 

Jan. 2, 2013: Platte River Networks of Denver (PRN) wins contract for new Clinton server.

 

Jan. 7, 2013: Hillary returns to work.

 

Jan. 23, 2013: Hillary testifies to Congress on Benghazi attacks.

Feb. 1, 2013: Hillary’s last day as secretary of state. She fails to produce her federal records as required by law.

 

Spring 2013:

  • Hillary aide Monica Hanley and Cooper put Hillary email archive on an Apple MacBook laptop and thumb drive.
  • But Hanley later tells FBI she forgot to give laptop and thumb drive to Hillary’s staff.
  • The laptop and thumb drive are lost and the FBI cannot examine.

 

March 14, 2013: Hillary confidant Sid Blumenthal’s AOL email is hacked by Romanian cyber hacker “Guccifer,” uncovering a memo to Hillary with classified “confidential” information.

 

June 2013: According to a book later written by Bill, Hillary finally recovers from her Dec. 2012 illness about now.

 

June 23, 2013: Pagliano server is moved to Equinix datacenter, NJ which “serves the world’s largest financial, media, and enterprise companies.”

 

Read: The Definitive Hillary Email Timeline (prior to FBI report)

 

June 30, 2013 : Pagliano server email accounts are transferred to the new PRN server.

 

July 18, 2013 : Clintons sign formal deal with PRN for new email server.

 

Early 2014: Hanley says she finds Apple MacBook laptop from Spring of 2013 at her home and tries, but fails, to remotely transfer Hillary email archive to PRN server.

 

Feb. 2014:

  • Hanley ships Apple MacBook laptop to unidentified person who transfers Hillary email archive to Gmail address, then to PRN server.
  • Hanley instructs unidentified person to delete and/or wipe Hillary email archive from Apple MacBook and Gmail.
  • Unidentified person ships Apple MacBook via US Postal Service or UPS to unidentified female Hillary associate who later tells FBI she never received it.
  • Nobody can find the Apple MacBook or thumb drive containing Hillary archive email.

 

May 8, 2014: House Benghazi committee is established.

 

Summer of 2014: State Dept. notifies Hillary aide Cheryl Mills that it will be requesting Hillary’s work emails.

 

July 23, 2014: Congressional Benghazi committee reaches agreement with State Dept. on production of records.

 

July 2014:

  • Mills initiates review of any Hillary work emails with .gov addresses that were transferred from Pagliano server to PRN server.
  • The emails don’t include the Jan-March 2009 emails lost on the missing Apple server.
  • The .gov work emails are put in a file on laptops of Mills and Hillary attorney Heather Samuelson.
  • These laptop email files would later be wiped using BleachBit so they could never be recovered. The FBI was unable to review them.

 

August, 2014: State Dept. provides House Benghazi Committee with eight emails to or from Clinton that show her use of a private email account.

 

Sept. 15, 2014: Sharyl Attkisson reports on State Dept. official who said he witnessed Benghazi document sorting session with Hillary aides in State Dept. basement in 2013.

 

Late Sept. 2014:

  • Mills and Samuelson review the rest of the available Hillary emails, besides the .gov.
  • These email files would later be wiped using BleachBit so they could never be recovered. The FBI was unable to review them.
  • Selected emails are printed in Mills’ office and reviewed again by attorneys Samuelson, Mills and Hillary attorney David Kendall of Williams & Connolly.
  • “Non-work” emails are shredded.
  • “Work” emails were printed and provided on USB drive to Kendall.

 

Dec. 2014: Hillary and Abedin begin using new email accounts on the domain hrcoffice.com.

 

Dec. 5, 2014: Hard copies of Hillary work emails are given to State Dept.

 

Dec. 2014 : Hillary instructs her staff she no longer needs to keep the remaining “personal” emails.

 

Dec. 2014 or Jan. 2015:

  • Mills and Samuelson request unidentified person to delete the Hillary email files from their laptops.
  • Software called “BleachBit” is used so it can never be recovered.
  • Unknown Hillary staffer also wants Hillary email archive removed from PRN server.
  • Mills asks for shortened email retention for clintonemail.com account because Hillary decides she no longer needs emails older than 60 days.

July 10, 2015: FBI begins investigation Hillary email situation after U.S. Intelligence Community Inspector General refers the case of possible improper handling of classified information.

March 2, 2015:

  • NYT article exposes fact that Clinton used personal email account exclusively for state business.
  • PRN technicians conduct work on Pagliano server at Equinix datacenter.
  • Mills later tells FBI they were working on the server because she asked them to conduct an equipment inventory.

March 3, 2015: House Benghazi committee requests Hillary attorneys at Williams & Connolly to preserve and produce all documents and media related to her two clintonemail.com known addresses.

March 4, 2015: House Benghazi committee privately subpoenas all Hillary emails related to Benghazi terrorist attacks. Clinton does not disclose the subpoenas but tweets, “I want the public to see my email. I asked State to release them. They said they will review them for release as soon as possible.”

 

March 9, 2015: Mills emails PRN and makes reference to the preservation request from Congress. A PRN technician would later tell FBI he doesn’t remember seeing it.

 

March 10, 2015 : Clinton answers questions about her email practices for the first time. She tells reporters:

  • It was more convenient to use the private server.
  • “I wanted to use just one device for both personal and work emails instead of two.”
  • Last year, she deleted nearly 31,000+ emails that were “private.”
  • She will not turn over her personal email server.
  • She “fully complied” with the law.
  • She has turned over to the State Dept. 55,000 pages of work-related emails.
  • There were 62,320 emails in her account: 30,490 were public business; 31,830 were private.

 

March 25, 2015:

  • PRN has conference call with Bill Clinton’s staff.
  • PRN technician later tells FBI that, at this point, he realized he’d forgotten to shorten Hillary’s email retention (that Mills requested in Dec. 2014), so he now deletes the Clinton archive mailbox from PRN and uses BleachBit to permanently delete files holding the emails.
  • FBI says one PRN technician gave three conflicting stories but acknowledged that, when he made deletions, he knew of Congress’ preservation request and knew he should not delete Hillary’s email data on PRN server.
  • The FBI says somebody also manually deleted backups of the PRN server during this time frame. Clinton and Mills say they were unaware of these deletions.

 

March 31, 2015: There’s a conference call among PRN, Kendall and Mills. Later, PRN would exert attorney-client privilege and refuse to comment on conversation. This means Hillary’s attorneys are representing the PRN technician, too.

 

May 27, 2015: In a Freedom of Information (FOI) lawsuit, the court orders State Dept. to post emails on FOI website on a monthly schedule to complete by Jan 29, 2016. (State completes Feb 29, 2016.)

 

July 28, 2015:  Hillary revises her statement regarding classified email to say she is confident she never sent or received emails that were classified at the time. Later, the FBI would find Hillary sent or received 193 emails (81 separate email conversations) that were classified at the time they were sent, ranging from “Confidential” to “Top Secret/Special Access Program.”

 

July 31 2015 : The federal judge in a Judicial Watch FOI suit, Emmet Sullivan, orders State Dept. to request that Mills and Abedin confirm, under penalty of perjury, that they have produced all government records in their possession, return any other government records immediately, and describe their use of Hillary’s email server to conduct government business.

 

Aug. 5, 2015: State Dept. sends letter to Hillary including Judge Sullivan’s order.

 

Aug. 6, 2015 : Mills’ attorney tells Judicial Watch that it has instructed Mills to “delete any and all electronic copies [of potential federal records] in her possession” after her anticipated production of records on Aug. 10. Judicial Watch files an emergency request to block the destruction.

 

Aug. 11, 2015: Inspector General report to the Senate contradicts Hillary claims; some emails, says the IG, contained information that was classified at the time.

 

Aug. 19, 2015:  Hillary’s personal lawyer tells a Senate committee that all data, including emails, was erased from her server prior to it being turned over to the FBI. Hillary tells reporters the investigation surrounding her server “has nothing to do with me.” She contradicts the Inspector General by reiterating that she never sent or received classified material.

 

Aug. 2015:

  • FBI obtains Pagliano server.
  • Williams & Connolly doesn’t disclose that there’s other related equipment, and that Hillary emails had been transferred to PRN server.
  • PRN says, at this time, it realizes it’s accidentally backing up its Hillary server on the cloud rather than just locally as the Clintons had directed. It discontinues the cloud backups.

 


Aug. 27, 2015:  Hillary tells an Iowa audience that using a personal email server “…clearly wasn’t the best choice..I take responsibility…” She repeats her modified statement, “I never sent nor received any e-mail that was marked classified.”

Sept. 10, 2015: Pagliano pleads the fifth before House Benghazi committee.

 

October, 2015: Previously withheld Hillary emails reveal she told daughter Chelsea almost immediately that terrorists were behind the Benghazi attacks, yet told the public they were prompted by a protest over a YouTube video.

 

Oct. 3, 2015: After learning about additional Pagliano server equipment, and that Hillary emails had been transferred to PRN server, FBI obtains equipment and PRN server.

 

Oct. 14, 2015 : Hillary attorneys at Williams & Connolly review an iMac of Hillary’s and assure the Justice Dept. that no work emails were found on it.

 

Oct. 16, 2015: Williams & Connolly provides 2 Hillary Blackberry devices to FBI but forensics finds no evidence they were ever connected to her personal servers. They do not contain their SIM cards or SD secure digital cards.

 

Oct. 28, 2015 : State Dept. sends formal request to Hillary and other former secretaries asking for their work-related emails. Hillary directs attorneys Kendall and Mills to oversee.

 

Jan. 7, 2016: FBI interviews Sid Blumenthal, who sent at least 24 memos currently classified “confidential” and at least one email classified as “Secret” at the time and currently to Hillary on unclassified system.

 

Feb. 9, 2016: Justice Dept. requests all of Hillary’s 13 mobile devices.

 

Feb. 22, 2016: Williams & Connolly tells DOJ it cannot locate any of the devices, so FBI was unable to examine the 13 mobile devices.

 

Feb 27, 2016: Jake Sullivan is interviewed by FBI. He says he’s not concerned emails with classified information that he sent to Hillary on unclassified system.

 

March 2016: Bentel declines to testify to Senate committee.

 

March 31, 2016: Guccifer is extradited from Romania to US.

 

April 5, 2016: FBI interviews Huma Abedin who sent at least one email classified as “confidential” to Hillary on her unclassified system.

 

April 9, 2016: Cheryl Mills is interviewed by FBI. She refuses to answer some questions under attorney-client privilege. She says she’s not concerned by her decision to send Hillary emails with information later deemed “classified” on her unclassified system.

 

May 25, 2016:

  • State Dept. Inspector General (IG) says under Foreign Affairs Manual, employees are required to conduct day to day operations using authorized information system.
  • IG says there’s “no evidence” Clinton sought approval to use her personal email account or private servers despite her obligation to do so.

 

June 22, 2016: Pagliano pleads the fifth 125 times in deposition with conservative watchdog Judicial Watch.

 

June 27, 2016: Attorney General Loretta Lynch meets privately with President Clinton. The two say it was a purely social visit.

 

July 2, 2016 : FBI interviews Hillary Clinton.

 

July 4, 2016: Hillary indicates that, as President, she would likely keep Lynch as attorney general.

 

July 5, 2016: FBI Director James Comey recommends no prosecution in Hillary email case.

 

Read the FBI documents

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sixpick
Professor Quiet
link   seeder  sixpick    8 years ago

Yes, the country would be a lot better place for us smart people who want to hear the news without the spin.

Otherwise we just joke around with those other people.

 
 
 
Cerenkov
Professor Silent
link   Cerenkov  replied to  sixpick   8 years ago

Pretty damning.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
link   XXJefferson51  replied to  sixpick   8 years ago

thumbs upapplause

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
link   JohnRussell    8 years ago

Attkisson is a crank. If she wasn't she would be working at a reputable network. 

 
 
 
sixpick
Professor Quiet
link   seeder  sixpick  replied to  JohnRussell   8 years ago

She resigned from the last place she worked after 21 years because it lost its reputation as a reputable place to work.  She is one of the best journalist in this country.  You're not use to reputable sources.  You've become accustomed to government news.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
Professor Expert
link   Buzz of the Orient    8 years ago

Rather than just disparaging the source, the unbiased question is whether or not the facts are correct or lies. If the facts are correct, what difference does the source make?

 
 
 
Spikegary
Junior Quiet
link   Spikegary  replied to  Buzz of the Orient   8 years ago

Kind of the same argument-if the Russians hacked her server?  That is 'a' question, but not 'the' question. 

 
 
 
sixpick
Professor Quiet
link   seeder  sixpick    8 years ago

This is about as "no spin" as you can get.  It's much better than the MSM or any of the other sites who have put their two cents in their reporting.

In fact it is straight from the FBI documents

Now how can you get the information any better than that?

 
 
 
PJ
Masters Quiet
link   PJ    8 years ago

July 5, 2016: FBI Director James Comey recommends no prosecution in Hillary email case.

The End .......  so let's move on

 
 
 
sixpick
Professor Quiet
link   seeder  sixpick  replied to  PJ   8 years ago

July 5, 2016: FBI Director James Comey recommends no prosecution in Hillary email case.

The End .......  so let's move on

Evidently you haven't been keeping up PJ.  They are moving on and they've found much more than you probably want to know, but I'll give you a hint....... it ain't good for Hillary, Huma or several others.

And a new one now, how Comey is tied into the Clinton Foundation and his brother.

Hillary can call us a lot of things, but one thing she can't call us is dummies.

 
 
 
PJ
Masters Quiet
link   PJ  replied to  sixpick   8 years ago

Morning Six - I'll have to check out this new information that you mentioned and get back to you.  I hope I'm not one of those "other" people.  lol 

 
 
 
sixpick
Professor Quiet
link   seeder  sixpick  replied to  PJ   8 years ago

Morning Six - I'll have to check out this new information that you mentioned and get back to you.  I hope I'm not one of those "other" people.  lol 

Don't worry about it PJ.  I'm a dummy sometimes and sometimes I'm not.  It really doesn't make any difference whether you or I are dummies, because if we think we are going to do anything about anything, then we're both dummies.

 
 
 
Cerenkov
Professor Silent
link   Cerenkov  replied to  PJ   8 years ago

Yes, let's ignore evidence of high crimes. Who needs laws anyway?

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
link   Sean Treacy  replied to  PJ   8 years ago

That's the Clintons rallying cry. We got caught lying, again, so let's Move on! 

Kevin Williamson summed it up nicely:

“Move on!” is a strange demand to make on behalf of a woman such as Mrs. Clinton. “Move on!” means drawing a line at the current moment in the timeline, leaving the past to the past and dedicating now to the future.  That sounds appealing from a certain addlepated and idealistic point of view, but if you are running on a long record in public office and on your experience, insisting that the past is a foreign country is odd, indeed.

In 2008, a young and fresh-faced Barack Obama might have plausibly used “move on!” as a slogan: The country certainly was ready to move on from the Bush years, and he was youthful, energetic, and relatively new to the scene.

Mrs. Clinton has many qualities that she might offer voters, but she soon will be running hard up against her 70th birthday, and her campaign of 1990s nostalgia represents the opposite of a break with the past. She is offering the very freshest political thinking of 1968 when she isn’t sidelined into the latest cutting-edge policy ideas from 1916.

Move on? She’d be lucky to catch up.

But consider this: President Clinton’s performance in office demanded a “move on!” Mrs. Clinton’s performance as first lady, aiding and abetting her husband’s various misdeeds (which were far from limited to sexually preying on the help) inspired a great deal of “move on!” Mrs. Clinton’s time in the Senate called for a “move on!” of its own. Her tenure as secretary of state was “move on!” after “move on!” after “move on!” She’s still demanding we “move on!” today, and her hangers-on sing a “move on!” chorus day and night.

It says something about the Clintons that every time a member of that sorry clan is given a position of public trust, it ends with a demand that we forget how they abused that trust and instead “move on!”

Read more at:

 

 
 
 
PJ
Masters Quiet
link   PJ  replied to  Sean Treacy   8 years ago

Sean - You're feisty this morning..............I LIKE it! 

I'm all for her being prosecuted if she broke the law.  If they aren't able to prove she broke the law than I'm tired of hearing about it.  That's my bottom line.  I'm tired of the inept hearings and the same political attacks being regurgitated over and over and over again at the tax payers expense.   Thus my exclamation to MOVE ON! 

The only thing that has been accomplished by our paid leaders is that they have desensitized the issue and they've bungled it so badly that I don't believe anything that they claim and I don't have confidence in their ability to do anything other than line their own pockets and create this drama to hoist their own careers.  Thus my exclamation to MOVE ON!

You can criticize me for my position but you're attacking the wrong person/people.  You need to be upset with the idiots that couldn't get the job done not at me.  I'm tired of hearing the whining and the blubbering from these imbeciles.  They made all these claims and created such a fantastical hype of BS that when they couldn't deliver everyone's standing around in shock and awe. 

Redirect your disgust from me and focus on those you should really be upset with - the Republican Senators.  (don't worry, you're still my favorite Irish Mobster!)

 

 

 
 
 
Spikegary
Junior Quiet
link   Spikegary  replied to  PJ   8 years ago

Let me put it to you this way, as a military guy, I would already be in jail for doing what Hillary did with the server and the compromise of classified information.  You sign an agreement (contract) not to divulge classified information and to use the proper channels for transferring classified information.  It's called a Non-Disclosure Agreement (NdA) and you are required to read and sign it in front of witnesses before you are allowed access.  Oh, I didn't mean to do it is not a valid excuse and ignorance of the law is no defense.

Except if you're really important.......like Hillary, apparently.

 
 
 
PJ
Masters Quiet
link   PJ  replied to  Spikegary   8 years ago

Spikegary - If that happened to you than I'd come visit you in jail.  winking

The military is a whole other world with a whole different set of rules.  You can be charged for following orders so I don't think civilian and military can be compared.  I'm not a military person but I was raised by a marine and he was a mean SOB and the best man I know.  He taught me that if I didn't like something I had two choices, do something about it or shut up (it was a little more colorful than that).   

The Senate made a number of mistakes starting with trying this through public opinion.  This wasn't about what was right or wrong.  This was purely politics for personal gain.  They had such a hard on for her that they let it cloud their judgement and that's why they failed.   They made all these claims without having all the information and evidence and more importantly the "authority".  They thought they had it in the bag because the FBI director was a Republican.   They failed because they weren't seeking justice they were seeking fame.

 

 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
link   Sean Treacy  replied to  PJ   8 years ago

It's just odd that her whole candidacy is based on her supposed experience yet any attempt to discuss just what that experience consists of is met with Move On! Someone with a successful legacy would actually want to talk about what did in office. 

 I'm tired of the inept hearings

I'd say the hearings have been relatively ept.  We certainly know alot more about how Hillary Clinton handled her responsibilities as Secretary of State. My guess is you don't like them simply because of what they've revealed. The rosy spin she puts on her actions simply never stands up to the scrutiny. And the Clintons response for the last 25 years has always "move on" when the truth of the their skulduggery is exposed.  

 I don't have confidence in their ability to do anything other than line their own pockets and create this drama to hoist their own careers.

On that I agree. The Clintons are just better at it  that almost anyone else. 

don't worry, you're still my favorite Irish Mobster!

And you are my favorite Nats fan. Please beats the Cubs next month.  But the preferred term is Irish Patriot. Irish mobsters get shot by Italians, Irish patriots get shot by the Brits. 

 

 
 
 
PJ
Masters Quiet
link   PJ  replied to  Sean Treacy   8 years ago

My guess is you don't like them simply because of what they've revealed. 

Sean, I'm hurt that you would think that of me.  :0(    hehehehehe

I admit that I believe the way the hearings were handled seemed slimy, tainted and skewed.  I won't waiver on my opinion that the hearings were inept.  Many of the representatives are lawyers.  Lawyers are taught that the truth isn't important.  Only winning is important and at any cost.   (I'd love to hear from some of the members who are lawyers.  I know we have a couple on here).

For me, when both sides of the aisle are able to hold everyone accountable and to the same standard, that's when I'll believe it's not political trickery.  

Now, for the important stuff - My Nationals

Team looks good, pitching is pretty solid and Trea Turner is ...............superman!  He just amazes me. You can pretty much plop him down in any position and he makes great plays.  I'm glad Harper seems to have found his swing again although I wish he'd stop watching the ball and RUN!  Yeah, we have to beat those cubs.  I don't know why we seem to struggle with them.  We're clearly the better team but they seem to have our number.    

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
link   Sean Treacy  replied to  PJ   8 years ago

I'd feel much better about the Nats if Strasburg was healthy. That's going to hurt if he doesn't recover by the post season.  

 
 
 
PJ
Masters Quiet
link   PJ  replied to  Sean Treacy   8 years ago

Yeah, Strausburg is my favorite pitcher.  After watching his debut game I was hooked.  It's frustrating because he just signed that huge contract and then "bam" he's out.  At this point we're hoping he's healthy for the playoffs.  

 
 
 
sixpick
Professor Quiet
link   seeder  sixpick  replied to  PJ   8 years ago

I'm all for her being prosecuted if she broke the law.  If they aren't able to prove she broke the law than I'm tired of hearing about it. 

OK, this is what caught my eye.  PJ, did you read the article or the FBI Documents?  Have you looked at any of the videos about this case?

She did break the law, there is no question about that.  She broke the law and I mean big time.

First she was required by law to turn in all government property and that means emails and other intelligence material by the day she left office or break the law by not doing so.  She didn't do that.  In fact she had to be subpoenaed to get her to do it.

Then she destroyed government property (think of government property as anything dealing with the government, classified or not) after being subpoenaed.  That's breaking the law.

Then she lied to the American Citizens and Congress.

I understand it gets quite tiresome going over this, but a person as bright as you at least has to acknowledge you are aware she broke every aspect of the laws regarding handling government material or property.  When asked questions relating to whether the laws were broken by Hillary, with every question his answer showed she broke the law.  The information is in this article and the FBI Documents.

You don't have to accept it, but please don't tell me.... I'm all for her being prosecuted if she broke the law.  If they aren't able to prove she broke the law than I'm tired of hearing about it.

Hope I'm not coming down on you too hard.  It's not you, but all those who keep using your argument.

Now I have paperwork to do so I can arrive home at some halfway decent hour tonight and won't be inclined to stay up half the night. peace

 
 
 
PJ
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link   PJ  replied to  sixpick   8 years ago

she broke every aspect of the laws regarding handling government material or property. 

Yes, she mishandled government information.  I don't dispute that.  I would hope you would admit that there was some information that was classified after the fact.   What I hear often enough from many of my right leaning friends here on NT is how completely ineffective, incompetent and horrible government is but apparently confidential information is the "exception".  Government seems to be the pinnacle of excellence in this one component according to my right leaning friends.  

No, you are definitely not coming down on me too hard.  winking

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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link   XXJefferson51  replied to  PJ   8 years ago

 

This from the self appointed moderate independent?

 
 

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