What Do You Think The Las Vegas Shooter's Motive was?
A 64 year old white man who was wealthy enough to wager a million dollars a year on video poker (it is believed he would roughly break even over long periods of time)
No known religious affiliations
No known political affiliations
Filipino girlfriend who says she has no idea
no social media 'manifesto'.
why did he do it? Do you have a theory?
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The other day a man named Jim Cavanaugh , a former FBI guy who is a law enforcement expert for NBC News said there are three areas where the answer for the motive lies. The guns, the gambling, and the girlfriend.
My own feeling is that he had some sort of grudge against Las Vegas, and saw this large outdoor concert and a nearby high rise hotel as a tremendous opportunity to wreak some sort of revenge. But revenge for what?
I believe the girlfriend knows. They have been close long enough for her to know why. She didn't know what he was going to do, but she knows why.
It is being reported that he also had a reservation in Chicago for the Lollapalooza concert and never showed up. The hotel is directly overlooking the venue.
I saw that story about him possibly being interested in doing something in Chicago. If that was the case it would possibly rule out him being interested in killing conservatives. That is not the demographic at Lollapalooza. It would also possibly rule out a particular grudge against Las Vegas.
I also read that he had booked a room overlooking a rap concert in Vegas, I believe it was,another completely different demographic. Perhaps his gripe was younger people and loud music?
Morning...
I heard that the murdering bastard was given Diazepam for anxiety in June - could quite possibly be a case of a Doctor throwing pills at a problem .. rather than sending the individual to a professional to get to the root of the problem.
Interesting how Dr.'s never read of the side effects to these pills they hand out .. Big Pharmaceutical companies have a magic pill for everything ...........
Since I am on the subject .. quit drugging the children in the United States for simply being children .. stop feeding these 'magic' pills to pregnant women as well .......................... is it any wonder mental health issues are on the rise?!? .. at least when a heroin baby is born medical professionals in the postnatal care unit know what could happen and can take care of the child accordingly.
Putting Soap Box back in the stable (Soap Box is the name of my high horse!)
How reasonable people are is often in the eye of the beholder. I am not a "leftist" . I consider my self a realist.
Good morning Colour. I also read an article this morning on NBC in which she said he would lay in bed moaning and screaming. She also spoke of mental health symptoms. She is the key to understanding why he did this. I agree, America is overmedicated and the ones that get the most benefits from that is Big Pharma.
I do not think I am buying what the 'girlfriend' is selling at the moment. (15 minutes of fame thing)
I do not see the 'mental illness' part of the shooting/murders, this was a cold, calculated, WAY premeditated event - everything was choreographed!
'We' may never know the reason the bastard did this - and it is just my opinion, but I think the putz was angry/needed attention and lashed out in the most brutal violently vicious way he could think of. 'side effects' of pills could have enhanced this .. I presume there will be an autopsy and tox screen done.
(Not so) lil man and I had a discussion about this last night .. and I did have to agree with what he said regarding the possibility the shooter "becoming mentally deranged once he began shooting"
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The drugging of 'our' children really sets me off Greg - as young as 5 years old the drug'n can begin. (Not so) lil man was diagnosed Attention Deficit (as his mom was as an adult .. which is me) I never medicated him, I worked with him and his teachers to find the best ways for him to remained focused and engaged.
I will put my high horse "Soap Box" away after I type one more thing .......................... How do 'we' (as a society) expect 'our' children to cope with life when they cannot/are not allowed be a 5 year old without drugs?
Sorry for deviating from the topic a wee bit...
I don't think there's any question that he was deranged, the very nature of what he did shows that. The fact that he had scouted other venues leaves no questions that it was premeditated. So it had to have been agenda driven. The girlfriend's reported comments so far don't really answer anything that we don't already know.
I completely agree. The pharmaceutical industry's incentives to the medical industry is the major factor in that, in my opinion. I don't recall knowing anybody when I was growing up that had a prescription for Ritalin or anything like it.
"why did he do it? Do you have a theory? "
NO.
In my opinion ANYONE who commits a mass murderer is insane. How why when... irrelevant.
Insanity takes many forms.. many unfathomable to sanity itself.
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IMO the ONLY mass murder that would not insane is one who is murdering a mass that is out to murder them first.
I go nuts after two hours of listening to those stupid slot machine noises. After years of that he lost his marbles.
Maybe an undiagnosed brain tumor like Charles Whitman?
Because he could. He had the money, the time, the access to the necessary tools, and the unambiguous reputation of someone who nobody would never suspect of it. His dad were certifiably nuts, and this was probably a latent ambition in his son's mind. He probably just got bored with life, as indicated by his sparsely decorated and furnished homes, and decided to make history.
A FBI profiler was on last night and said that this guy doesn't fit into any of the categories of mass shooters.
It doesn't make any sense. And, what particularly doesn't make any sense is that his girlfriend didn't know something was up. If she didn't want to go into overkill she could have at least told her concerns to his brother. I read where he played video poker, so, if he was fed up with gambling take it out on some poker machines not on innocent people.
It seems they were having relationship problems and so she went to the Philippines to visit her family in which she hadn't seen in 3 years, in her statement she thought that the money and ticket was a way of breaking up with her. As for not knowing anything was up remember this man had stockpiled over 40 firearms over the years, would you think something was up if a few more suddenly showed up in or left the house?
But even so, they had been together for awhile. Maybe it's just me but I throw my gripes with the world at my significant other so I can't believe whatever the reason was that it wasn't brought up in their conversations fairly regularly.
Reading more articles about this woman.......it seems that there are a lot of conflicting reports about their relationship. Some people claim they were a loving couple whereas there is a lot of claims coming out that she was a psychologically and emotionally abused woman
I've read similary but don't you think if she was abused that he would be more likely to have shown his rage for whatever it was that made him do this when she around?
No, not at all.....psychological and emotional abuse isn't about rage or anger it's about power and control
Right, what I meant is that if he felt that power and control over a length of time he more than likely had little reservation in expressing himself around her.
There was also an article that stated some people believed that he booked that trip for her to be out of the country so as to get her out of the way and not try to stop him
I'm uncomfortable with the story coming out of Las Vegas. There seem to be a lot of things that don't make sense. Maybe some of our other former military people could step in here.
1. Where are the spent casings (bullets). Automatic weapon fire for 10 minutes is a lot of bullets, but the pictures disclosed to date show 20-30 casings on the floor. Figure 58 dead, over 500 injured, seems like there should be more bullet casings.
2. He committed suicide with a pistol, but there are spent rifle casings on top of the blood in pictures that have been released. How does that happen?
3. How did he remove the window by himself? Not a lightweight thing, though possible, it seems questionable.
4. How did he get all those guns and ammunition into the room? I'll let someone with more knowledge of these weapons extrapolate the weight of a bullet multiplied by the rate of fire for the amount of time fired.
5. I've read that security and fire alarm systems were disabled. Vegas hotels and casinos have some of the best Security Forces in the universe. How could this be done and no one notice?
6. Spent casings are hot, hotter the more rounds fired, weapons are also hotter the more rounds fired through them, but I didn't see evidence of burns on the carpet in the room, where they would have been expelled form the weapon(s)
As to motive? I have no idea. Insanity, if it was this one guy seems an overall causation. I won't speculate. And I do not do conspiracy theories, just some logical questions that need to be asked/answered.
My first reaction to the pic of the room door was the one visible gun looked staged to me. Maybe he put it there to grab, but maybe some one else put it there for another reason.
The room was a deluxe suite rented through Airbnb. It is a large suite as evidenced by the spacing between the two broken windows. I have only seen one picture of the room's interior, the one at the door, so unless you've seen pictures of the entire suite I don't know how you can make these claims. It's also pretty obvious that he didn't lift any windows, he smashed them.
He was shooting in more than one location in more than one part of the room
Blood doesn't go over things when it pours out..it goes under
Who knows he could have easily shattered or shot it out
Reports claim he was in the room for a couple of days before the actual attack, with that he could have easily taken his time.
All very plausible, as I said I'm not a conspiracy theory believer (unlike what someone who can't read with comprehension said above), just lots of questions that should be answered.
It said he brought hammers with him. But, when he broke the windows wouldn't an alarm go off and they would know exactly where? And, how did he know how long the service tray would stay in the hallway outside his room where he put in a camera?
The service tray could have been in his room. He probably put the cameras on it and placed it in the hallway right before he started shooting.
Makes sense.
Just my own opinions from what I've read, seen and experienced:
1. Guessing a combination of reasons including different firing positions, police disturbing the scene before the photographs
2. police disturbing the scene before the photographs. I gotta imagine there was a lot of activity by a lot of people immediately after the police blew the door
3. the windows were broken out with a sledgehammer found in the suite
4. 27 suitcases and time
5. They weren't disabled, in fact it was the fire alarm that led police to the shooters room
6. Casings are not that hot, more like uncomfortably warm and they cool very quickly. As a left handed shooter (rifles eject to the right) in the military I've had many casings go down my shirt, land on my rt arm, hit my face so trust me on this
As for motive my only guess is nutjob
I heard on TV news that he did that with a sledgehammer. (But I don't know if that's true).
Of course a lot of what you said raises some interesting questions...
"why did he do it? Do you have a theory? "
He was bored.
Anybody see "Jack Reacher"? A targeted assassination was covered-up with a mass shooting.
Gambling creates hazards perhaps not revealed.
Just a bored psycho?
In the larger scheme, the symptoms of being separated from nature and our planets other inhabitants, are apathy, violence and an imbalanced spirit and mind. Things will get worse until we right this ship.
I think that piece of paper has a clue. A journalist asked the sheriff what it said and the sheriff seemed to brush it off very quick. He definitely knew it wasn't a suicide note though. But, he couldn't remember what is said - ? Yeah, I don't think so.
Yes, and we haven't gotten that part yet.
They're going to do an autopsy on him.
I get the feeling he got bad news.....really bad news, like "You can count the pulse until your dead on one hand" news.
He sends his girlfriend out of the country, wires her survival money, and had a plan.....Go to Vegas, get plenty drunk, hire a $2000 hooker, gamble, and then carry out the sick fantasy he has harbored because he wanted to know what it feels like.
He's dying, actually a dead man walking. He had his last moments on earth.
After the shooting of Steve Scalise and 3 others at a Republican congressional baseball team practice, I'm going to cast my vote for a political motivation. The target event was after all a country music festival - which a CBS lawyer ironically described as people who tend to be Republican or possible Trump supporters. That lawyer said she had no sympathy for the victims. I assume that harsh, divisive rhetoric is still strong among progressives. All the violence is coming from that direction.
Someone has to know the political beliefs of this individual
why did he do it? Do you have a theory?
He probably spent too much time on Newsvine...
He probably spent too much time on Newsvine...
(Now that its evaporated, hopefully some sanity will return to America!)
The population of Newsvine was an infinitesimally small fraction of the entire US, something much greater will have to occur for any amount of change to occur