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Bowe Bergdahl Gets No Prison Time But Is Dishonorably Discharged After Abandoning Post

  

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Bowe Bergdahl Gets No Prison Time But Is Dishonorably Discharged After Abandoning Post

FORT BRAGG, N.C. — A military judge spared Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl from prison for walking off his post in Afghanistan in 2009, sentencing him on Friday with a dishonorable discharge and reduction in rank but no time behind bars.

Bergdahl, who   pleaded guilty   to desertion and misbehavior before the enemy, faced up to life in prison. Defense attorneys had asked for leniency, citing the five years Bergdahl spent in Taliban captivity, criticism from Donald Trump on the campaign trail, and his mental state.

But prosecutors hoped to prove that Bergdahl endangered his comrades by abandoning his post and called for a   14-year prison sentence .

Related:   Prosecutors in Bowe Bergdahl Case Call for 14-Year Prison Sentence

The judge, Col. Jeffery Nance, reduced Bergdahl's rank to private and said he had to forfeit pay equal to $1,000 per month for 10 months. Nance did not make any other comments.

Bergdahl appeared nervous, clenching his jaw as he waited for the judge to enter the courtroom. Two women on his defense team patted his back.

The defense team was told to stand while Nance gave Bergdahl his sentence. Bergdahl clenched both hands as he left the court with his attorneys.

The ruling capped a sentencing hearing where emotions at times ran high, with soldiers, relatives of soldiers, experts, a psychiatrist, and Bergdahl himself testifying.

In one of the most powerful testimonies,   the wife of a soldier   who was shot in the head while searching for Bergdahl spoke of how their family's lives were forever changed.

"He's lost me as a wife, essentially, because instead of being his wife, I'm his caregiver," said Shannon Allen, whose husband, Master Sgt. Mark Allen, is wheelchair-bound and cannot speak. "I mean, we can't hold hands anymore, unless I pry open his hand and place mine in it."

Later that day, Bergdahl unexpectedly   took the stand . Breaking down, he called abandoning his post a "terrible move" and detailed several unsuccessful escape attempts from his captors. He recalled painful bed sores and said his captors burned the bottoms of his feet. He described having uncontrollable   diarrhea , and open sores on his ankles and his head where a   blindfold   rubbed against his skin.

Bergdahl walked off from his base in Afghanistan on June 30, 2009, and was captured by the Taliban within hours. He was then   released in 2014   in a prisoner swap arranged by President Barack Obama. The deal was criticized by Trump and other Republicans.

While running for president, Trump disparaged Bergdahl, 31, as a "dirty rotten traitor" and called for him to be executed by firing squad or tossed out of a plane without a parachute.

Nance temporarily halted the sentencing hearing after seeing a video of Trump on Oct. 16 referring to his campaign trail comments in which he said he couldn't talk about Bergdahl,   but added , "But I think people have heard my comments in the past." Nance later denied a motion by the defense to dismiss the case based on Trump's comments.

Bergdahl has said he left his post to reach a commander at another post to raise concern about problems in his unit. Defense attorney Capt. Nina Banks argued the torture he endured from his captors was punishment enough, followed by being labeled a traitor and a deserter by Trump when he came home.

“Sgt. Bergdahl has been punished enough,” she said. “It is undisputed Sgt. Bergdahl paid a bitter price.”

She also pointed to his   mental disorders . A psychiatrist testified that Bergdahl was suffering from schizotypal personality disorder, a schizophrenia-like condition, and post-traumatic   stress disorder   when he walked away in Afghanistan. Deserting his post was consistent with Bergdahl's personality disorder, said Dr. Charles Morgan.

"I think he believes there are times that, if it's the morally right thing to do, you have to break the rules," he said. "There's not a thinking through of: 'Are there other ways to achieve this goal?'"  

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Colour Me Free
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1  seeder  Colour Me Free    9 years ago

Bergdahl has said he left his post to reach a commander at another post to raise concern about problems in his unit. Defense attorney Capt. Nina Banks argued the torture he endured from his captors was punishment enough, followed by being labeled a traitor and a deserter by Trump when he came home.

“Sgt. Bergdahl has been punished enough,” she said. “It is undisputed Sgt. Bergdahl paid a bitter price.”

She also pointed to his   mental disorders . A psychiatrist testified that Bergdahl was suffering from schizotypal personality disorder, a schizophrenia-like condition, and post-traumatic   stress disorder   when he walked away in Afghanistan. Deserting his post was consistent with Bergdahl's personality disorder, said Dr. Charles Morgan.

I can think of at least one person that does not think 'his torture' was enough punishment - as she now cares for her husband daily after he was shot in the head looking for Bergdahl..

Mental disorder .. Pfft!

I will be glad just to get Bergdahl out of the headlines!

 
 
 
Mike In Delray
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1.1  Mike In Delray  replied to  Colour Me Free @1    9 years ago

Bergdahl's lawyers are already appealing his Dishonorable Discharge stating that he needs his VA Benefits and that a Dishonorable Discharge also makes future earning a living nearly impossible.....

And from what I can see, Bergdahl gets to keep his $300,000 in Back Pay, minus his $10,000 fine.

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
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1.1.1  seeder  Colour Me Free  replied to  Mike In Delray @1.1    9 years ago
Dishonorable Discharge also makes future earning a living nearly impossible.....

Awww so the Dishonorable Discharge shows up on a back ground check ... let him wear it like a scarlet letter, everyone else that has been convicted of something has to - he should be thrilled to have NO jail time and free to run home to Idaho.... 

But NO, he will prob get disability paid for by the tax payers, for all that he has been through.  

Wonder if Shannon Allen can take him to civil court?  Bet she could put 300k to good use.

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
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1.1.3  seeder  Colour Me Free  replied to    9 years ago

Hello Old School...

Idaho is a wee bit of a conservative State, could be that his childhood community will not cotton to him any longer..  most likely he will find a place to hide out in comfort with the help of mom and dad...   While others pay the price for his treachery.

 
 
 
FedupwithFed
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1.1.4  FedupwithFed  replied to  Mike In Delray @1.1    9 years ago
And from what I can see, Bergdahl gets to keep his $300,000 in Back Pay, minus his $10,000 fine.
The FAMILIES should get to decide...

The 6 U.S. Soldiers Who Died Searching for Bowe Bergdahl

"A psychiatrist testified that Bergdahl was suffering from schizotypal personality disorder, a schizophrenia-like condition"

and WTF is he doing in the military if he is SCHIZO...with a gun???

 
 
 
FedupwithFed
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1.1.5  FedupwithFed  replied to  Colour Me Free @1.1.3    9 years ago
most likely he will find a place to hide out in comfort with the help of mom and dad...   While others pay the price for his treachery.

O'loser has extra rooms in his McMansion...all muslims are welcome, he can have the room across from Valerie Jarrett and they can take the tunnel to the mosque for Friday night prayers!!

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
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1.1.6  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  FedupwithFed @1.1.4    9 years ago

This was a big lie when it first got crapped out and it's still a big lie. 

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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1.1.7  1stwarrior  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @1.1.6    9 years ago

Show your proof then to dispute it.

 
 
 
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1.1.9  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Mike In Delray @1.1    9 years ago
And from what I can see, Bergdahl gets to keep his $300,000 in Back Pay, minus his $10,000 fine.

So you don't know that.  But you've succeeded in putting it out there so, true or not, that will be the rightwing story from now on.  Thanks for showing how the lying is created. 

 
 
 
Mike In Delray
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1.1.10  Mike In Delray  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @1.1.9    9 years ago

So you don't know that.  But you've succeeded in putting it out there so, true or not,

"Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl could be entitled to about $300,000 in back pay and special compensation following his release as a Taliban prisoner, experts say."

I didn't see anything in the Judges Order ( Sentence ) that said he forfeited any back-pay, except the 10 month @ $1,000/month. That's exactly what I said.

 
 
 
Uncle Bruce
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1.1.11  Uncle Bruce  replied to  Mike In Delray @1.1.10    9 years ago

From the linked article:

Bergdahl could forfeit back pay, allowances, and military compensation and veterans benefits if found guilty on desertion or Absence Without Leave (AWOL) charges. The Army would not say if he has received any compensation since his release form the Taliban.

If he is found guilty of AWOL, he would forfeit all pay he received since he went missing on June 30, 2009, according to the UCMJ. If he is found guilty of desertion, he would forfeit all compensation and be held responsible for the cost of returning to the US.

He would also lose veterans benefits such as access to the GI Bill , worth over $65,000, health care , the VA home loan and any disability compensation.

 
 
 
Mike In Delray
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1.1.12  Mike In Delray  replied to  Uncle Bruce @1.1.11    9 years ago

That's exactly why they are already appealing his "Dishonorable Discharge"

 
 
 
Krishna
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1.1.13  Krishna  replied to  Kathleen @1.1.8    9 years ago

Yes....jail time...at least.

It is pretty amazing that he got such a light sentence (well, it actually wasn't much of a sentence at all!)".

Here's why:

FORT BRAGG, N.C. — President Trump’s harsh criticism of Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl, who walked off his Army post in Afghanistan in 2009 and was captured by the Taliban, will weigh in favor of a lighter sentence for the sergeant, a military judge said on Monday.

(Read it all)

 
 
 
FedupwithFed
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1.1.14  FedupwithFed  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @1.1.6    9 years ago
This was a big lie when it first got crapped out and it's still a big lie.

Youre admitting NBC LIES???  Did you read the article?

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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1.1.17  1stwarrior  replied to    9 years ago

Well, so far he hasn't answered anyone's questions - just makes wild accusations and bounces around.

 
 
 
FedupwithFed
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1.2  FedupwithFed  replied to  Colour Me Free @1    9 years ago
I can think of at least one person that does not think 'his torture' was enough punishment - as she now cares for her husband daily after he was shot in the head looking for Bergdahl..

Hey Colour!  

Desertion carries a maximum punishment of dishonorable discharge, forfeiture of all pay, and confinement of five years. For desertion during a time of war, however, the death penalty may be applied (at the discretion of the court-martial).

I would have opted for the latter!  And now we have 5 terrorists running around thanks to O'loser!

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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2  Hal A. Lujah    9 years ago

Trump is a draft dodger.  He has zero credibility when it comes to criticizing anyone who has served in the military in any capacity whatsoever.  Throw that stupid fuck from a plane. 

 
 
 
magnoliaave
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2.1  magnoliaave  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @2    9 years ago

He is not a draft dodger!

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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2.1.1  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  magnoliaave @2.1    9 years ago

For all intents and purposes, he most definitely is a draft dodger.

 
 
 
magnoliaave
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2.1.3  magnoliaave  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @2.1.1    9 years ago

He is not for all intent and purposes.

 
 
 
arkpdx
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2.1.4  arkpdx  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @2.1.1    9 years ago

I thought you like draft dodgers and those that shirked the military duty. You all liked bill clinton. 

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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2.1.5  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  arkpdx @2.1.4    9 years ago

Oh good - it sounds like you are in agreement with me.

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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2.1.7  Hal A. Lujah  replied to    9 years ago

How noble of you to defend Donald Trump's obvious and cowardly efforts to keep himself out of harms way.  Yet you want a bullet in the head of Bergdahl.  I suppose you thought highly of Trump's comments about liking soldiers who didn't get caught by the enemy too?  

No worries.  For the safety, integrity, and dignity of those who did and do serve, it's best not to have a bumbling asshole like Trump serving and getting more innocent people killed.

 
 
 
Sunshine
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2.1.8  Sunshine  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @2.1.7    9 years ago
For the safety, integrity, and dignity of those who did and do serve

it was the deserter who got those who served killed.  Bergdahl is the one who jeopardized the lives of soldiers.

let's not forget that, ok?

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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2.1.9  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  Sunshine @2.1.8    9 years ago

He should have shirked his duties by claiming to have bone spurs, then none of this would have happened and he could have just played baseball, tennis and golf all day like the President*.

 
 
 
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2.1.10  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  magnoliaave @2.1    9 years ago
He is not a draft dodger!

That's what everyone who also didn't serve in the military say.  But I'll grant you that "dodger" may not be exactly the right term (but close enough).  Trump didn't have to flee the country or go underground.  He used two  of  the "rich boy" methods.  Got four "educational" deferments and when those ran out a doctor to write a phony diagnosis and then had  daddy's rich contacts do the rest.  So, "eluded" or "evader" would be more accurate.  And chickenshit to be sure. 

 
 
 
Rex Block
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2.1.11  Rex Block  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @2.1.7    9 years ago

It sounds like you've never served...the doctors are the ones who determine who gets into the military.

They actually examine you....what a concept. If he had the bone spurs, then that is disqualifying.

You forget that Bill Clinton and Obumfuk never served a day either! You've lost the argument. Quit digging.

Digging a whole

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
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2.1.12  seeder  Colour Me Free  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @2.1.9    9 years ago
He should have shirked his duties by claiming to have bone spurs, then none of this would have happened and he could have just played baseball, tennis and golf all day like the President*

Ummm the military is voluntary .. so therefore a choice was made BY Bergdahl to join, leading to the choice he made in the field to shirk his duties, and risk the lives of others in an attempt to save his sorry ass.  

 
 
 
Mike In Delray
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2.1.13  Mike In Delray  replied to  Rex Block @2.1.11    9 years ago

Hillary Clinton once claimed that she tried to join the Marines in 1975, shortly before marrying her draft-dodging boyfriend, future president Bill Clinton. Or did Hillary Diane Rodham attempt to join the Army, as Clinton suggested in 2008? Or did she indeed try to sign up for the Marine Corps as part of an experiment to see how receptive the military was to female volunteers, as her friends have suggested?

“You’re too old, you can’t see and you’re a woman,” Clinton recalled a young military recruiter telling her. “Maybe the dogs would take you,” he added, referring to the Army.

“It was not a very encouraging conversation,” Clinton added. “I decided maybe I’ll look for another way to serve my country.”

 
 
 
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2.1.14  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  magnoliaave @2.1.3    9 years ago
He is not for all intent and purposes.

This is why I find your claims of military service suspicious.  Anyone who served (I did and couldn't give a shit anyone believes it or not) knows what Trump did to avoid military service.  

 
 
 
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2.1.15  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to    9 years ago

How a marine can defend such a scumbag chickenshit draft evader like Trump is beyond me Comment removed skirting CoC [ph] Bone spurs?  Really?

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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2.1.17  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  Colour Me Free @2.1.12    9 years ago

lol - you guys will do and say anything to turn the conversation away from Trump being a draft dodger.

 
 
 
GaJenn78
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2.1.20  GaJenn78  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @2.1.15    9 years ago

I really try to avoid commenting on stuff like this, but with all due respect, I think you are wrong. A medical doctor did his thing and his findings deferred Trump. How was President Clinton able to get the same deferments? I honestly believe that ANYONE who wants to be POTUS ie CiC should have served, that's my honest opinion

 
 
 
321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu
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2.1.22  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu   replied to  GaJenn78 @2.1.20    9 years ago
A medical doctor did his thing and his findings deferred Trump.

Also with respect.

A doctor was also paid to allow and help kill Michael Jackson. Some doctors aren't above being bought  !

(It might help if trump's case If he could remember which foot he had the problem with...LOL)

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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2.1.23  1stwarrior  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @2.1.17    9 years ago

Funny that you didn't notice Hal, but Trump is NOT the topic.  How 'bout trying to stay on topic - for once.

 
 
 
MrFrost
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2.1.24  MrFrost  replied to  Mike In Delray @2.1.13    9 years ago
Hillary Clinton

Has literally nothing to do with this article. 

 
 
 
MrFrost
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2.1.25  MrFrost  replied to  Kathleen @2.1.16    9 years ago
This is about Bergdahl not Trump.

You I don't see you calling out mike and fed for bringing up clinton and Obama? Weird. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.1.26  JohnRussell  replied to  MrFrost @2.1.24    9 years ago

Don't blame them, their youthful exuberance carries them away. 

 
 
 
MrFrost
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2.1.27  MrFrost  replied to  magnoliaave @2.1    9 years ago
He is not a draft dodger!

He took 5 deferments, one medical and 4 for "education". He most certainly is a draft dodger. And as to the medical? He still cannot seem to remember which foot he had bone spurs in. 

 
 
 
Mike In Delray
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2.1.28  Mike In Delray  replied to  MrFrost @2.1.24    9 years ago
"Hillary Clinton"
Has literally nothing to do with this article.

Neither does Trump's DOJ ..... But you introduced it.

She claimed she tried to join the military, but after being shown the door, she went to Plan B and married Bill. A girls gotta eat, ya know....

 
 
 
GaJenn78
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2.1.29  GaJenn78  replied to  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu @2.1.22    9 years ago

I agree, but you only highlighted what you wanted to respond to. That's not fair. 

 
 
 
321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu
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2.1.30  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu   replied to  GaJenn78 @2.1.20    9 years ago
How was President Clinton able to get the same deferments?

$$$$$$$$$$$$$ and power !

 
 
 
321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu
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2.1.31  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu   replied to  GaJenn78 @2.1.29    9 years ago
I agree, but you only highlighted what you wanted to respond to. That's not fair.

Does that help ?

Fair ? LOL 

 
 
 
GaJenn78
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2.1.32  GaJenn78  replied to  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu @2.1.31    9 years ago

?

 
 
 
GaJenn78
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2.1.33  GaJenn78  replied to  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu @2.1.30    9 years ago

People in the right places also

 
 
 
GaJenn78
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2.1.34  GaJenn78  replied to  GaJenn78 @2.1.33    9 years ago

I don't disagree.....

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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2.1.40  1stwarrior  replied to    9 years ago

Don't forget John Wayne and Bob Dylan and Glenn Campbell and Dustin Hoffman, etc. are also part of the "Draft" evaders.

 
 
 
arkpdx
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2.1.41  arkpdx  replied to    9 years ago

The left would try to make an article about the World Series about Trump if they thought they could get away with it.

Only if they could make it a negative. If it is a positive story they ignore it totally

 
 
 
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2.1.42  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  MrFrost @2.1.25    9 years ago
You I don't see you calling out mike and fed for bringing up clinton and Obama? Weird.

No idea what that means. 

 
 
 
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2.1.43  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  GaJenn78 @2.1.20    9 years ago
I really try to avoid commenting on stuff like this, but with all due respect, I think you are wrong. A medical doctor did his thing and his findings deferred Trump. How was President Clinton able to get the same deferments? I honestly believe that ANYONE who wants to be POTUS ie CiC should have served, that's my honest opinion

Couple of things about bone spurs.  The vast majority of people who have them don't know they're there.  They rarely cause symptoms and are found coincidentally on X-rays done for other reasons.  Trump's self-vaunted athletic prowess (he claims he was the best baseball player in NY State and "coulda" played in the majors--look it up) was never impaired by his "bone spurs."  If they'd really been a problem for him, why didn't he get his deferment then instead of waiting until all of his (4) educational deferments ran out.  If you can't smell this rat, you must have the medical condition called anosmia.  

 
 
 
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2.1.44  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to    9 years ago
When you were in school in English class did they not teach you to capitalize proper nouns?

I take it that you're offended I didn't capitalize "Marine."  So, I just did.  Feel better?  [I would like to know why soldier, sailor and airman don't deserve that but I suspect it would ruffle more feathers.  BTW, did anyone ever tell you that coming back with picky grammar point is a sign of a weakness of argument?  

Joe Biden got 5, Dick Cheney got 5, Mitt Romney, John Wayne, Bill Clinton, Ted Nugent, Pat Buchanan,  Bernie Sanders, Bruce Springsteen, the list goes on and on and on.  All of them are chickenshits for getting deferments, none of them are draft dodgers.

You left Trump off that list, as well as Bush, Jr.  [Yeah, he sorta "served"--more like partied--but it was really a way to avoid going to Viet Nam; he and Clinton were alike in that way in that Clinton got lucky with a high lottery number and pulled strings to not follow through on his].  So I'm glad we can agree that they're all chickenshits.  

On you last minor point about the use of the term "dodger" to describe these men, I'm fine with "evader" or "eluder" if that makes you happy. 

 
 
 
arkpdx
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2.2  arkpdx  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @2    9 years ago

Throw that stupid fuck from a plane

You get bergdahl in a plane and I'll bet you will find millions that would be willing to throw him off

 
 
 
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2.2.1  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  arkpdx @2.2    9 years ago
You get bergdahl in a plane and I'll bet you will find millions that would be willing to throw him off

99% of them people like you who never got near a military uniform.

 
 
 
arkpdx
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2.2.2  arkpdx  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @2.2.1    9 years ago

Wouldnt you want to be right just once? Well it won't be this time. I served and hold an honorable discharge from the Navy. 

Wouldnt surprise me if you did not serve or if you did you were awarded a Big Chicken Dinner.

Antone that would support bergdahl or even sympathizes with him is, IMHO, not much better than ge is and is also beneath contempt. 

 
 
 
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2.2.3  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  arkpdx @2.2.2    9 years ago

You've never given me any reason to trust your word, so shall we agree to not believe each other then?

 
 
 
arkpdx
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2.2.4  arkpdx  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @2.2.3    9 years ago

So you were awarded a big chicken dinner. Good to know

 
 
 
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2.2.5  1stwarrior  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @2.2.1    9 years ago

Skirting the CoC [ph]

 
 
 
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2.2.6  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  arkpdx @2.2.4    9 years ago

Comment removed for skirting the CoC [ph]

 
 
 
arkpdx
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2.2.7  arkpdx  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @2.2.6    9 years ago

Like the rest of your comments you gave jyst proven you know diddley squat. 

 
 
 
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2.2.8  Uncle Bruce  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @2.2.6    9 years ago

Atheist, did you serve?

 
 
 
ausmth
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2.3  ausmth  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @2    9 years ago
Throw that stupid fuck from a plane.

Looking for a visit from the Secret Service are you?

 
 
 
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3  1stwarrior    9 years ago

The military community and U.S. justice just got a "Kiss my ass" notice.  Wonder when Col Nance will be appearing in front of the Court of Military Justice for flagrantly not performing his duty.

 
 
 
magnoliaave
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3.1  magnoliaave  replied to  1stwarrior @3    9 years ago

And, the defense has the audacity to ask that the dishonorable discharge be rescinded.  I suppose they figure if he got no jail time, then, anything is possible.

 
 
 
Mike In Delray
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3.1.1  Mike In Delray  replied to  magnoliaave @3.1    9 years ago

0bamba purged the Military Brass that weren't his Fan Boys....

 
 
 
magnoliaave
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3.1.2  magnoliaave  replied to  Mike In Delray @3.1.1    9 years ago

It's hard to understand what is going on. 

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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3.1.3  1stwarrior  replied to  Mike In Delray @3.1.1    9 years ago

I'm sure the Joint Chief's of Staff are going to have something to say 'bout Col Nance's sentencing since they, JCOS, wrote the Manual for Courts Martial (updated 2016) that states explicitly what punishments should be utilized and, in this case, were not. 

None of the punishments listed in Chapter 4 call for a kiss on the cheek and a pat on the back.  In Bergdahl's case, the punishment "should" have been either death for desertion (Paragraph 9, pages IV-10 - IV-13) or life in prison for AWOL/desertion (Paragraph 10, pages IV-13 - IV-16).

 
 
 
MrFrost
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3.1.4  MrFrost  replied to  Mike In Delray @3.1.1    9 years ago
0bamba purged the Military Brass that weren't his Fan Boys....

It's Trumps DoJ that just let This POS walk.. D0nald tRump is president now, remember? 

 
 
 
Mike In Delray
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3.1.5  Mike In Delray  replied to  MrFrost @3.1.4    9 years ago

"It's Trumps DoJ that just let This POS walk.."

Since when does the DoJ have anything to do with Military Court Martial's ???

Trump right now is stuck with the Military Judges that 0bamba didn't send off to retirement. This Judge was on this case when 0bamba was still occupying the Oval Office.

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
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3.1.6  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Mike In Delray @3.1.5    9 years ago
Since when does the DoJ have anything to do with Military Court Martial's ???

You'd think that someone whose avatar is a military unit's insignia would know better but it's so often like that.

 
 
 
Rex Block
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3.1.7  Rex Block  replied to  Mike In Delray @3.1.1    9 years ago

Obama would have pardoned him.

Tell us what the DOJ have to do with military courts

 
 
 
Mike In Delray
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3.1.8  Mike In Delray  replied to  Rex Block @3.1.7    9 years ago

"Tell us what the DOJ have to do with military courts"

Mr.Frost said that it was the DoJ,  not me

 
 
 
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3.1.9  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Mike In Delray @3.1.1    9 years ago
Obamba purged the Military Brass that weren't his Fan Boys....

Is that why he gave John Kelly his fourth star?   (Thanks for walking right into that one.)

 
 
 
The Magic 8 Ball
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3.1.10  The Magic 8 Ball  replied to  MrFrost @3.1.4    9 years ago
It's Trumps DoJ that just let This POS walk..

your not a veteran huh?

 
 
 
Mike In Delray
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3.1.11  Mike In Delray  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @3.1.9    9 years ago

You do know that Valerie had to approve that, don't you ??

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
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3.2  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  1stwarrior @3    9 years ago
Wonder when Col Nance will be appearing in front of the Court of Military Justice for flagrantly not performing his duty.

Inappropriate comment (CoC violation) (A. Mac)

 
 
 
magnoliaave
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3.2.1  magnoliaave  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @3.2    9 years ago

How do you know he didn't serve in the military?  That was a truly sarcastic statement.

 
 
 
arkpdx
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3.2.2  arkpdx  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @3.2    9 years ago

Inappropriate Comment (CoC violation) (A. Mac)

That's enough folks.

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
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3.2.3  seeder  Colour Me Free  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @3.2    9 years ago

There is a discussion topic, and it is not about 1stwarrior 

 
 
 
GaJenn78
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3.2.4  GaJenn78  replied to  Colour Me Free @3.2.3    9 years ago

I agree! 

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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3.2.5  1stwarrior  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @3.2    9 years ago

Sorry Athiest - 4 years USMC, 13 years USCG, 23 years DoD - 27 months in Vietnam as a door gunner in helos, 6 months Desert Shield/Desert Storm as Port Security.

No personal attacks, innuendo, etc., please (CoC violation). (A. Mac)

 
 
 
GaJenn78
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3.2.6  GaJenn78  replied to  1stwarrior @3.2.5    9 years ago

Thank you for your service 😊

 
 
 
GaJenn78
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3.2.7  GaJenn78  replied to  1stwarrior @3.2.5    9 years ago

Thank you for your service 😊

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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3.2.8  1stwarrior  replied to  1stwarrior @3.2.5    9 years ago

Yes sir.

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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3.2.10  1stwarrior  replied to    9 years ago

Rooooo - Ahhhhh

 
 
 
MrFrost
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4  MrFrost    9 years ago

Dishonorable discharge? That's it? He should have been gleaned of every bit of intel he had and executed. 

 
 
 
GaJenn78
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4.1  GaJenn78  replied to  MrFrost @4    9 years ago

I hope the Army keeps a close watch on this guys whereabouts at all times.

 
 
 
Mike In Delray
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4.1.1  Mike In Delray  replied to  GaJenn78 @4.1    9 years ago

He left the courthouse in civilian clothes, he is a free man, legally speaking.

 
 
 
GaJenn78
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4.1.2  GaJenn78  replied to  Mike In Delray @4.1.1    9 years ago

There are plenty of people who are pissed off at him, I seriously doubt he will ever be truly "free". I think he will be looking over his shoulder the rest of his life. Like I said, I hope the Army keeps very close tabs on him, we don't know what he disclosed to the Taliban or if what intel he gave our Army was the full truth. I guess I'm just saying I don't trust this guy. 

 
 
 
Mike In Delray
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4.1.3  Mike In Delray  replied to  GaJenn78 @4.1.2    9 years ago

"I seriously doubt he will ever be truly "free""

That's why I said "Legally speaking"

It's up to the FBI now to keep tabs on him.

But now I'm confused.... I just heard on TV that he will keep getting paid while his case is appealed ???..... So, is he in the Army or not ???

 
 
 
GaJenn78
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4.1.4  GaJenn78  replied to  Mike In Delray @4.1.3    9 years ago

Grrrrr! SMGDH! He should get NOTHING, he pleaded guilty, kept his life, and stayed out of prison! He got off easy as far as I'm concerned and he has a lot a balls appealing this.

 
 
 
Mike In Delray
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4.1.5  Mike In Delray  replied to  GaJenn78 @4.1.4    9 years ago

Here's why he is appealing his "DISHONORABLE DISCHARGE". If he can get it changed to "OTHER THAN HONORABLE".... That's the game his lawyers are playing:

Veterans with an OTH discharge who qualify for VA Healthcare are eligible to submit claims for disability compensation pay, participation in educational, volunteer, and vocational rehabilitation programs.

 
 
 
GaJenn78
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4.1.6  GaJenn78  replied to  Mike In Delray @4.1.5    9 years ago

That sucks and I hope it doesn't happen. He was already offered a "gift" IMO. Thanks for explaining that. He still deserves nothing.

 
 
 
GaJenn78
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4.1.7  GaJenn78  replied to  Mike In Delray @4.1.5    9 years ago

On another note, everyone knows his name and his noterioty so it may not make much of a difference if he gets his appeal and OTH discharge.

 
 
 
Mike In Delray
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4.1.8  Mike In Delray  replied to  GaJenn78 @4.1.7    9 years ago

On another note, everyone knows his name and his noterioty so it may not make much of a difference if he gets his appeal and OTH discharge.

He'll grow a beard, use his Tolibon name and open a mosque with his father somewhere, while getting his Disability Compensation Pay.

That's why it matters that his appeal gets denied !!!!

 
 
 
Sparty On
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4.1.9  Sparty On  replied to  GaJenn78 @4.1.7    9 years ago

He's got nothing to worry about.    Some limp wrister will hire him, DD or not.

you see, he's a hero to those folks.

 
 
 
321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu
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4.1.10  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu   replied to  Sparty On @4.1.9    9 years ago
you see, he's a hero to those folks.

I dont know anyone who believe he is a hero. I see a lot of people believe he is a traitor and should be shot. I believe he may have been nuts (insane) at the time and may deserve some compassion if true.

I also never heard of a soldier walking out of a military base single handedly at night looking for the enemy either, that sounds kinda nuts to me right from the get go. 

 
 
 
Sparty On
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4.1.11  Sparty On  replied to  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu @4.1.10    9 years ago

I never believed he should be shot but he shouldn't walk free with only a DD and 300k in his pocket.

THAT is completely unacceptable.    Making Little Rock's out of big rocks for a long while would have worked for me

This result is wrong and a total aberration 

 
 
 
GaJenn78
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4.1.12  GaJenn78  replied to  Mike In Delray @4.1.8    9 years ago

I was thinking that as well just didn't want to say it LOL. 

 
 
 
Mike In Delray
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4.1.13  Mike In Delray  replied to  Sparty On @4.1.9    9 years ago
He's got nothing to worry about.

Chelsea Manning says Bo is her kind of man !!!

I see a new Reality Show coming on LGBTQ TV.... Me & Bo & A Dog Named Traitor

 
 
 
magnoliaave
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4.1.14  magnoliaave  replied to  Mike In Delray @4.1.13    9 years ago

That is sooooooooooo funny!

 
 
 
The Magic 8 Ball
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4.1.15  The Magic 8 Ball  replied to  GaJenn78 @4.1.2    9 years ago
There are plenty of people who are pissed off at him, I seriously doubt he will ever be truly "free".

his best bet to stay unharmed is leave the country.... perhaps afghanistan will take the piece of schit.

 
 
 
Krishna
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4.2  Krishna  replied to  MrFrost @4    9 years ago
Dishonorable discharge? That's it? He should have been gleaned of every bit of intel he had and executed.

Lock him up, lock him up!

 
 
 
Willjay9
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5  Willjay9    9 years ago

Umm.....I'm not going to come on here and said " I told you so".....to hell with that! I told you so!

I told you because this is NOT considered a war the MOST he could possible get from these charges would have been 3-5 years and what the judge probably took into account was that he was a verified prisoner of war that was subjected to torture for 5 years, he basically gave him a time served with a dishonorable discharge which was the best case scenario him and his attorney was looking at when he pled guilty!

 
 
 
Rex Block
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5.1  Rex Block  replied to  Willjay9 @5    9 years ago

Sounds like he has become the left wing's military hero.

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
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5.1.1  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Rex Block @5.1    9 years ago
Sounds like he has become the left wing's military hero.

Someone who voted for and defends a lying, serial sexual predator, chickenshit traitor like Trump shouldn't really be talking about who's a hero or not. 

 
 
 
Sparty On
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5.1.3  Sparty On  replied to  Rex Block @5.1    9 years ago

He's a perfect hero for the left since they really only pay lip service to the military because it's the PC thing to do for the fashionable limp wristed lefty.

so Bergdahl pays lip service to the Army, joins up and suddenly realizes ..... holy Shiite, this is real so he bugs out.

A perfect move for the left.    A limp wristed hero ....... how fitting.

 
 
 
Kavika
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5.1.4  Kavika   replied to  Sparty On @5.1.3    9 years ago

Two tours in Nam. Son a 100% disabled Marine vet. Father a Marine that hit the beach at Tarawa. Cousin KIA Battle of the Bulge (Bastogne). Uncle KIA Korea. Numerous relatives WIA. 

2 grandchildren currently serving. 

Yeah, we are a limp wristed lefty group. 

Pretty much a ignorant statement Sparty. Love the way you paint with a wide brush without any thought process being activated. 

 
 
 
Sparty On
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5.1.5  Sparty On  replied to  Kavika @5.1.4    9 years ago

Not ignorant in the least as you apparently are not the limp wristed left I am talking about.   You know of which I am talking about.    If you don't you aren't paying attention.    

That said, thanks to you and yours for serving and a hearty Semper Fi to all the Marines.  

HD USMC, grandfather survived  Belleau Wood, uncle survived Peleiu, uncle survived second wave Iwo Jima and was picking Japanese shrapnel out of his face to the day he died, father survived the Chosen reservoir, several cousins in Vietnam, multiple family members in Iraq and the Stan over the years, two nephews and several cousins serving right now.   One is a bubble-head and will be a plank owner on the newest Virginia class sub, one working on the F-35 program.     As always we are damn proud of all of them.

So yeah, this family does it's part for our great country as well.   Always has, always will.

That said, my family has been extremely luck.   Family members have been in some of the worst meat grinders ever and all made it back.    We are very thankful for that but mostly for those that did make the ultimate sacrifice.    I would never besmirch honorable service regardless of political leanings so I suggest you can that shit and not make unfounded allegations.

if you don't think Bergdahl is a hero for his actions then I wasn't talking about you.    And based on you and yours service, I would be shocked if you did.

Do you think Bergdahl is a hero for his actions? Yeah, I thought not. Case closed on you. Others not so much.

 
 
 
Kavika
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5.1.6  Kavika   replied to  Sparty On @5.1.5    9 years ago
I would never besmirch honorable service regardless of political leanings so I suggest you can that shit and not make unfounded allegations.

It was you that made the unfounded allegations, Sparty On, so I suggest you stop with the holier then thou attitude. 

You might want to think before painting with a broad brush, which is typical of political leanings. 

 
 
 
Sparty On
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5.1.7  Sparty On  replied to  Kavika @5.1.6    9 years ago

Lol!   Do you deny there is folks on the left who think he is as hero for his actions?   They sure as shit aren't on the right.

Nevermind, i can see no one is changing your closed mind.     Nothing new considering the source.

Oh and it is very telling that you didn't have the class to thank me and mine for our service.    Very telling indeed.     You might want to think about that before you make any further unfounded allegations.

 
 
 
Kavika
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5.1.8  Kavika   replied to  Sparty On @5.1.7    9 years ago
Nevermind, i can see no one is changing your closed  mind.     Nothing new considering the source.

Pot meet kettle. 

As for thanking you and yours for their service, if that is a requirement of yours for something ''telling'' then I do thank you and yours for their service. I don't need a thank you, what I require is stopping with the broad brush comments and stop acting like the right are the only ones that are patriots and have served.

 
 
 
Sparty On
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5.1.9  Sparty On  replied to  Kavika @5.1.8    9 years ago

You must be talking to yourself again.

 
 
 
Kavika
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5.1.10  Kavika   replied to  Sparty On @5.1.9    9 years ago
You must be talking to yourself again.

Great response, limited in it's content and critical thinking skills but that's pretty much expected.

Enjoy your day.

 
 
 
Sparty On
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5.1.11  Sparty On  replied to  Kavika @5.1.10    9 years ago

lol try making a valid point and then we can talk "critical thinking"

that is all I require

 
 
 
lennylynx
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5.1.12  lennylynx  replied to  Sparty On @5.1.7    9 years ago

I'll deny that, flat out.  I have never heard anyone call him a 'hero' for leaving his base.  The most forgiving people of all say it was more stupidity than treason and that his time in captivity is punishment enough.  Who have you ever heard call him a 'hero' for walking off?

 
 
 
Sparty On
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5.1.13  Sparty On  replied to  lennylynx @5.1.12    9 years ago
Who have you ever heard call him a 'hero' for walking off?

These folks.

Hero or deserter??

Now here is where you say they don't count.

 
 
 
Willjay9
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6  Willjay9    9 years ago

To be totally honest I was a little surprised he got no time....I though he would have at least gotten a couple years on top of the dishonorable discharge!

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
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6.1  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Willjay9 @6    9 years ago
To be totally honest I was a little surprised he got no time

I was as well.  Especially since I read that the judge turned down the defense motion a few days ago to drop the charges. Some of us handle surprise better than others.  I just finished a search about this trial and it won't surprise you what one of the factors may have been:

Yep, Trump's big mouth both as a candidate last year and as "president" this.  There's pages of articles like this:

 
 
 
Skrekk
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6.2  Skrekk  replied to  Willjay9 @6    9 years ago

I think the sentence was fair given Bergdahl's psychological problems, but the odds are good that the entire case will be tossed on appeal thanks to Trump's improper command influence.

With the sentence still facing review by General Abrams and military appellate judges, Mr. Trump’s post-verdict comments on Twitter seemed to bolster efforts by the defense to have the sentence thrown out on appeal, some military law experts said, on the grounds that the president had unlawfully influenced the case.

“Trump just exponentially increased Bergdahl’s chances of getting this whole case tossed on appeal,” said Rachel VanLandingham, a professor at Southwestern Law School in Los Angeles and a retired Air Force lawyer.

The tweet could be interpreted as an effort to pressure officers who still have some control over the sergeant’s fate not to reconsider his sentence, military law experts said.

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
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7  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו    9 years ago

I just gotta love the "patriots" here who weren't in the courtroom and know nothing of all the facts in this case wanting Bergdahl's scalp.  There's even the well-debunked lie going around again (rightwing lies never die, the just wait to be recycled) that 6 soldiers were killed looking for him.  See, it's like this:  when so many lies and liars come out of the woodwork you just know you're gonna get more lies.  

 
 
 
Sparty On
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7.1  Sparty On  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @7    9 years ago

Yeah what the hell.    People who served honorably just got put in harms way and wounded looking for this deserter.    

No biggie right?

 
 
 
magnoliaave
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7.2  magnoliaave  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @7    9 years ago

Since you were in the courtroom, please, tell us what it was like. 

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
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7.2.1  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  magnoliaave @7.2    9 years ago
Since you were in the courtroom, please, tell us what it was like.

Thanks for weighing in.  Since I wasn't in the courtroom, I'm not making any judgement (other than surprise) about the  verdict.  Perhaps you missed that. Please continue shooting from the hip without any knowledge.  After all, it's what you and your buddies do.  

 
 
 
Kavika
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8  Kavika     9 years ago

The accusations being thrown around about NT members serving in the military or not, is, IMO,  not a shining example of what NT is about. 

I personally know some of the vet's on this site, both conservative and liberal, and their military records. All of them served with distinction. 

We should avoid these types of attacks and stick to the article. As NT members we should be above personal attacks on a members military service.  

Personally I'm disappointed in the verdict..He should have served hard time.

 
 
 
Galen Marvin Ross
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8.1  Galen Marvin Ross  replied to  Kavika @8    9 years ago
We should avoid these types of attacks and stick to the article. As NT members we should be above personal attacks on a members military service.

Agreed Kavika, I would have like to see him get a few years busting big rocks into little ones as well.

 
 
 
Sparty On
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8.2  Sparty On  replied to  Kavika @8    9 years ago

Spot on .... I only regret that have but one vote to give .....

 
 
 
Skrekk
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8.3  Skrekk  replied to  Kavika @8    9 years ago
Personally I'm disappointed in the verdict..He should have served hard time.

In effect he did for 5 years.

The real question is why would the army induct someone with such obvious psychological issues?    It seems standards have slipped a lot thanks to Dubya's two futile wars of choice.

 
 
 
Kavika
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8.3.2  Kavika   replied to  Skrekk @8.3    9 years ago

The 5 years were his choice when he left his unit, now he has to answer for it.

As for his mental health and the way the service deals with is nothing new. This has been going on for decades. 

 

 

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
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9  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו    9 years ago

Ruh-roh.  Looks like The Orange Bigmouth may have been a factor in the Bergdahl verdict:

 
 
 
magnoliaave
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9.2  magnoliaave  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @9    9 years ago

Not a chance!

 
 
 
Uncle Bruce
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11  Uncle Bruce    9 years ago

This is not the final say in the sentencing.  Unlike civilian courts, there is a Commanding General that has to review the proceedings, and either sign off on it, or send it back with recommended changes.  It's not unheard of for a reviewing officer to recommend a harsher sentence.  Nor is it unheard of for him to recommend a lighter sentence, such as an OTH discharge.

 
 
 
magnoliaave
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11.1  magnoliaave  replied to  Uncle Bruce @11    9 years ago

I didn't know that....thank you.

 
 
 
Skrekk
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11.2  Skrekk  replied to  Uncle Bruce @11    9 years ago

I think Gen. Abrams can only reduce the sentence:

Colonel Nance did not explain his reasoning for the sentence, which will be reviewed by Gen. Robert B. Abrams, who convened the court-martial and has the power to lessen the punishment . If the final sentence still includes a punitive discharge, it will automatically be reviewed by the United States Army Court of Criminal Appeals.

.

And the odds are good that the entire case will be tossed:

With the sentence still facing review by General Abrams and military appellate judges, Mr. Trump’s post-verdict comments on Twitter seemed to bolster efforts by the defense to have the sentence thrown out on appeal, some military law experts said, on the grounds that the president had unlawfully influenced the case.

“Trump just exponentially increased Bergdahl’s chances of getting this whole case tossed on appeal,” said Rachel VanLandingham, a professor at Southwestern Law School in Los Angeles and a retired Air Force lawyer.

The tweet could be interpreted as an effort to pressure officers who still have some control over the sergeant’s fate not to reconsider his sentence, military law experts said.

.....

The Army’s chief investigator on the case testified at Sergeant Bergdahl’s preliminary hearing that he did not believe any jail time was warranted, and the preliminary hearing officer suggested the whole episode might have been avoided “had concerns about Sergeant Bergdahl’s mental health been properly followed up.”

 
 
 
lennylynx
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12  lennylynx    9 years ago

Well, Trump's big mouth kept Bergdahl out of prison, the ISIS guy has hope now!  

 
 
 
Tacos!
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12.1  Tacos!  replied to  lennylynx @12    9 years ago
Trump's big mouth kept Bergdahl out of prison

That seems unlikely.

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
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12.1.1  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Tacos! @12.1    9 years ago
That seems unlikely.

Merry Christmas!!

Yet, the presiding judge in the case specifically called out Trump's oral farting on the issue as a factor that influenced the trial and the sentencing. Pay attention.

Merry Christmas!!

 
 
 
Tacos!
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12.1.2  Tacos!  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @12.1.1    9 years ago
Yet, the presiding judge in the case specifically called out Trump's oral farting on the issue as a factor that influenced the trial and the sentencing. Pay attention.

No, you're reading way too much into the judge's words. It was defense counsel who complained about Trump's comments, not the judge. Defense counsel then asked the judge to consider the president's opinion as a factor in mitigation and he agreed to consider it. That tells us nothing about how much weight he gave it - if any.

 
 
 
Krishna
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13  Krishna    9 years ago

Sgt. Bergdahl’s Sentence May Be Lighter Because of Trump’s Comments

Trump's tweets . . . will weigh in favor of a lighter sentence for the Sergeant a military judge said . . .

(HERE"s why)

 
 
 
magnoliaave
Sophomore Silent
13.1  magnoliaave  replied to  Krishna @13    9 years ago

That is hogwash~

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
Junior Quiet
13.2  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Krishna @13    9 years ago

No matter how many times and ways we try to educate the Trumpbots on this point  they'll never let go of their lies about it. 

 
 
 
Skrekk
Sophomore Quiet
14  Skrekk    9 years ago

This editorial is the most thoughtful commentary I've found on this issue, but I doubt more than a few people here will agree with it:

The trajectory of Sergeant Bergdahl’s career speaks to tragic and avoidable flaws in the military mental health care system. Sergeant Bergdahl suffers from schizotypal personality disorder, and it was only after a mental health-related discharge from the Coast Guard that the Army enlisted him on a medical waiver. If his illness had been treated before his crimes, he could have been eligible for an honorable discharge with benefits. The available military record shows that when Sergeant Bergdahl left his place of duty, he was an exemplary, idealistic young soldier who lived with mental illness, not a traitor.

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Although Sergeant Bergdahl had left his post and put others in danger, he fought, resisted, collected a “gold mine” of intelligence on the enemy and — at great risk to his life — tried to escape multiple times, including a daring attempt where in which he eluded the Taliban for eight and a half days. In time, his exemplary service to our country as a prisoner of war will direct and inspire the survival of other P.O.W.s.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
15  Ed-NavDoc    9 years ago

Mr Bergdahl's sentence was in fact a total disgrace. I refuse to address Bergdahl by a military rank. He certainly did not earn it. He forfeited that from me when he knowingly became a traitor and deserted his comrades, the Army, and his country! He should have been given prison time. Cannot help but wonder if Col Nance was not in some way pressured in his sentencing of Bergdahl? 

 
 
 
lennylynx
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15.1  lennylynx  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @15    9 years ago

But you don't wonder for a second if Trump's big mouth helped keep Bergdahl out of prison, do you?

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
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15.2  seeder  Colour Me Free  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @15    9 years ago

Good morning Ed...  So good to see you.

Haven't you heard, it is all Trump's fault for comments made before becoming a candidate (in 2014) and while on the campaign trail ... ?  So he gets NO prison time because he was tortured by the captors that he sought out - along with now having a mental disorder (which was undiagnosed until Bowe was charged with desertion)  ....  

All resulting in Trump did it, Trump caused it .... surprised I have not read anything that states Trump made Bergdahl leave his post in 2009!

If the military courts rescind the Dishonorable Discharge .... what will happen next?  Will individuals that change their mind about servicing walk off their posts without threat of long term consequence .. (?) [just speculating possible scenarios]

How goes the battle on the Southern border? ... we are covered in a blanket of white : ) made it to a whopping 33 degrees yesterday!  YAY!

P.s... did I mention this is all the Presidents fault?

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
Junior Quiet
15.2.1  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Colour Me Free @15.2    9 years ago
P.s... did I mention this is all the Presidents fault?

Merry Christmas!!

Congratulations, you finally got one right.

Merry Christmas. 

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
Senior Silent
15.2.2  seeder  Colour Me Free  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @15.2.1    9 years ago

Awww thanks, my life is now complete .. how can I ever truly thank you?

A very Happy Thanksgiving to such a wonder individual as yourself .....

P.s... Do you have a cousin that goes by the name RedDev?

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
15.2.3  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Colour Me Free @15.2    9 years ago

Good evening Colour Me. Sorry I did not get back to you last night. Had to give up the computer to my 6 year old grand daughter! Yep, leave it to the brain dead progressive libs to blame President Trump for a traitor deserting. And you are right on the money regarding the military courts rescinding the DD, although  I personally doubt that will happen at this point. But then again who figured Mr Bergdahl would end up walking?

Weather down here on the border is windy, somewhat cold and rainy the last couple of days. 

P.S. Why, yes you did in fact mention it was President Trump's fault....

 
 
 
ausmth
Freshman Silent
15.3  ausmth  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @15    9 years ago
Col Nance

The only way Col Nance makes it to general is if Trump loses in '20.  Talk about a career ending sentence.

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
Junior Quiet
15.3.1  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  ausmth @15.3    9 years ago
The only way Col Nance makes it to general is if Trump loses in '20.  Talk about a career ending sentence.

Merry Christmas!!!

You'd be the last person to know what it takes to get a promotion, though.  Right?

Merry Christmas!!

 
 
 
Uncle Bruce
Professor Silent
15.3.2  Uncle Bruce  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @15.3.1    9 years ago
You'd be the last person to know what it takes to get a promotion, though.

Why would you say that?

 
 
 
ausmth
Freshman Silent
15.3.3  ausmth  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @15.3.1    9 years ago
You'd be the last person to know what it takes to get a promotion, though.  Right?

NO!  And since you don't know that the president must approve promotion to general I would say you are the last person to know.

General Officer Promotions

The promotions to general officer (also known as "Flag Officer") are more politically determined. General officers are nominated for promotion by the President of the United States​ and confirmed by the Senate.  General Officers (Flag Officers) are those in the pay grades of O-7 through O-10. Fewer than one percent of career officers will ever be promoted to Flag Rank.

 
 
 
ausmth
Freshman Silent
15.3.4  ausmth  replied to  Uncle Bruce @15.3.2    9 years ago
Why would you say that?

He is my stalker.  He has taken it upon himself to insult me all he can without going too far.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
15.3.5  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  ausmth @15.3.3    9 years ago

Somehow, I just cannot help but get the idea that Atheist has never served in the military a day in his life, let alone in a combat zone. Seems to me to be just another progressive leftist liberal who dislikes the military in general and is more than happy to lump all under the same roof. He seems to have little clue as to the meanings of honesty and integrity as it applies to military members. I pity him in his ignorance....

 
 
 
ausmth
Freshman Silent
15.3.6  ausmth  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @15.3.5    9 years ago

The closest I came to serving was Army ROTC in college.  I actually enjoyed the course work even though it was 1968.  We spent a lot of time going over rank and promotion requirements.  We spent about a month on the UCMJ.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
15.3.7  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @15.3.1    9 years ago

Please tell us why you would know better about military promotions.

 
 

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