Woman says Roy Moore initiated sexual encounter when she was 14, he was 32
Leigh Corfman says she was 14 years old when an older man approached her outside a courtroom in Etowah County, Ala. She was sitting on a wooden bench with her mother, they both recall, when the man introduced himself as Roy Moore.
It was early 1979 and Moore — now the Republican nominee in Alabama for a U.S. Senate seat — was a 32-year-old assistant district attorney. He struck up a conversation, Corfman and her mother say, and offered to watch the girl while her mother went inside for a child custody hearing.
"He said, 'Oh, you don't want her to go in there and hear all that. I'll stay out here with her,' " says Corfman's mother, Nancy Wells, 71. "I thought, how nice for him to want to take care of my little girl."
Alone with Corfman, Moore chatted with her and asked for her phone number, she says. Days later, she says, he picked her up around the corner from her house in Gadsden, drove her about 30 minutes to his home in the woods, told her how pretty she was and kissed her. On a second visit, she says, he took off her shirt and pants and removed his clothes. He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear.
"I wanted it over with — I wanted out," she remembers thinking. "Please just get this over with. Whatever this is, just get it over." Corfman says she asked Moore to take her home, and he did.
Two of Corfman's childhood friends say she told them at the time that she was seeing an older man, and one says Corfman identified the man as Moore. Wells says her daughter told her about the encounter more than a decade later, as Moore was becoming more prominent as a local judge.
Aside from Corfman, three other women interviewed by The Washington Post in recent weeks say Moore pursued them when they were between the ages of 16 and 18 and he was in his early 30s, episodes they say they found flattering at the time, but troubling as they got older. None of the women say that Moore forced them into any sort of relationship or sexual contact.
Wendy Miller says she was 14 and working as a Santa's helper at the Gadsden Mall when Moore first approached her, and 16 when he asked her on dates, which her mother forbade. Debbie Wesson Gibson says she was 17 when Moore spoke to her high school civics class and asked her out on the first of several dates that did not progress beyond kissing. Gloria Thacker Deason says she was an 18-year-old cheerleader when Moore began taking her on dates that included bottles of Mateus Rosé wine. The legal drinking age in Alabama was 19.
Of the four women, the youngest at the time was Corfman, who is the only one who says she had sexual contact with Moore that went beyond kissing. She says they did not have intercourse.
In a written statement, Moore denied the allegations.
"These allegations are completely false and are a desperate political attack by the National Democrat Party and the Washington Post on this campaign," Moore, now 70, said.
The campaign said in a subsequent statement that if the allegations were true they would have surfaced during his previous campaigns, adding "this garbage is the very definition of fake news."
According to campaign reports, none of the women have donated to or worked for Moore's Democratic opponent, Doug Jones, or his rivals in the Republican primary, including Luther Strange, whom he defeated this fall in a runoff election.
Corfman, 53, who works as a customer service representative at a payday loan business, says she has voted for Republicans in the past three presidential elections, including for Donald Trump in 2016. She says she thought of confronting Moore personally for years, and almost came forward publicly during his first campaign for state Supreme Court in 2000, but decided against it. Her two children were still in school then and she worried about how it would affect them. She also was concerned that her background — three divorces and a messy financial history — might undermine her credibility.
"There is no one here that doesn't know that I'm not an angel," Corfman says, referring to her home town of Gadsden.
Corfman described her story consistently in six interviews with The Post. The Post confirmed that her mother attended a hearing at the courthouse in February 1979 through divorce records. Moore's office was down the hall from the courtroom.
Neither Corfman nor any of the other women sought out The Post. While reporting a story in Alabama about supporters of Moore's Senate campaign, a Post reporter heard that Moore allegedly had sought relationships with teenage girls. Over the ensuing three weeks, two Post reporters contacted and interviewed the four women. All were initially reluctant to speak publicly but chose to do so after multiple interviews, saying they thought it was important for people to know about their interactions with Moore. The women say they don't know one another.
"I have prayed over this," Corfman says, explaining why she decided to tell her story now. "All I know is that I can't sit back and let this continue, let him continue without the mask being removed."
This account is based on interviews with more than 30 people who said they knew Moore between 1977 and 1982, when he served as an assistant district attorney for Etowah County in northern Alabama, where he grew up.
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Moore was 30 and single when he joined the district attorney's office, his first government job after attending the U.S. Military Academy at West Point, serving in Vietnam, graduating from law school and working briefly as a lawyer in private practice in Gadsden, the county seat.
By his account, chronicled in his book "So Help Me God," Moore spent his time as a prosecutor convicting "murderers, rapists, thieves and drug pushers." He writes that it was "around this time that I fashioned a plaque of The Ten Commandments on two redwood tablets."
"I believed that many of the young criminals whom I had to prosecute would not have committed criminal acts if they had been taught these rules as children," Moore writes.
Outside work, Moore writes that he spent his free time building rooms onto a mobile home in Gallant, a rural area about 25 miles west of Gadsden.
According to colleagues and others who knew him at the time, Moore was rarely seen socializing outside work. He spent one season coaching the Gallant Girls, a softball team that his teenaged sister had joined, said several women who played on the team. He spent time working out at the Gadsden YMCA, according to people who encountered him there. And he often walked, usually alone, around the newly opened Gadsden Mall — 6 feet tall and well-dressed in slacks and a button-down shirt, say several women who worked there at the time.
Corfman describes herself as a little lost — "a typical 14-year-old kid of a divorced family" — when she says she first met Moore that day in 1979 outside the courtroom. She says she felt flattered that a grown man was paying attention to her.
"He was charming and smiley," she says.
After her mother went into the courtroom, Corfman says, Moore asked her where she went to school, what she liked to do and whether he could call her sometime. She remembers giving him her number and says he called not long after. She says she talked to Moore on her phone in her bedroom, and they made plans for him to pick her up at Alcott Road and Riley Street, around the corner from her house.
"I was kind of giddy, excited, you know? An older guy, you know?" Corfman says, adding that her only sexual experience at that point had been kissing boys her age.
She says that it was dark and cold when he picked her up, and that she thought they were going out to eat. Instead, she says, he drove her to his house, which seemed "far, far away."
"I remember the further I got from my house, the more nervous I got," Corfman says.
She remembers an unpaved driveway. She remembers going inside and him giving her alcohol on this visit or the next, and that at some point she told him she was 14. She says they sat and talked. She remembers that Moore told her she was pretty, put his arm around her and kissed her, and that she began to feel nervous and asked him to take her home, which she says he did.
Soon after, she says, he called again, and picked her up again at the same spot.
"This was a new experience, and it was exciting and fun and scary," Corfman says, explaining why she went back. "It was just like this roller-coaster ride you've not been on."
She says that Moore drove her back to the same house after dark, and that before long she was lying on a blanket on the floor. She remembers Moore disappearing into another room and coming out with nothing on but "tight white" underwear.
She remembers that Moore kissed her, that he took off her pants and shirt, and that he touched her through her bra and underpants. She says that he guided her hand to his underwear and that she yanked her hand back.
"I wasn't ready for that — I had never put my hand on a man's penis, much less an erect one," Corfman says.
She remembers thinking, "I don't want to do this" and "I need to get out of here." She says that she got dressed and asked Moore to take her home, and that he did.
The legal age of consent in Alabama, then and now, is 16. Under Alabama law in 1979, and today, a person who is at least 19 years old who has sexual contact with someone between 12 and 16 years old has committed sexual abuse in the second degree. Sexual contact is defined as touching of sexual or intimate parts. The crime is a misdemeanor punishable by up to one year in jail.
The law then and now also includes a section on enticing a child younger than 16 to enter a home with the purpose of proposing sexual intercourse or fondling of sexual and genital parts. That is a felony punishable by up to 10 years in prison.
In Alabama, the statute of limitations for bringing felony charges involving sexual abuse of a minor in 1979 would have run out three years later, and the time frame for filing a civil complaint would have ended when the alleged victim turned 21, according to Child USA, a nonprofit research and advocacy group at the University of Pennsylvania.
Corfman never filed a police report or a civil suit.
She says that after their last encounter, Moore called again, but that she found an excuse to avoid seeing him. She says that at some point during or soon after her meetings with Moore, she told two friends in vague terms that she was seeing an older man.
Betsy Davis, who remains friendly with Corfman and now lives in Los Angeles, says she clearly remembers Corfman talking about seeing an older man named Roy Moore when they were teenagers. She says Corfman described an encounter in which the older man wore nothing but tight white underwear. She says she was firm with Corfman that seeing someone as old as Moore was out of bounds.
"I remember talking to her and telling her it's not a good idea," Davis says. "Because we were so young."
A second friend, who spoke on the condition of anonymity for fear of losing her job, has a similar memory of a teenaged Corfman telling her about seeing an older man.
After talking to her friends, Corfman says, she began to feel that she had done something wrong and kept it a secret for years.
"I felt responsible," she says. "I felt like I had done something bad. And it kind of set the course for me doing other things that were bad."
She says that her teenage life became increasingly reckless with drinking, drugs, boyfriends, and a suicide attempt when she was 16.
As the years went on, Corfman says, she did not share her story about Moore partly because of the trouble in her life. She has had three divorces and financial problems. While living in Arizona, she and her second husband started a screen-printing business that fell into debt. They filed for bankruptcy protection three times, once in 1991 with $139,689 in unpaid claims brought by the Internal Revenue Service and other creditors, according to court records.
In 2005, Corfman paid a fine for driving a boat without lights. In 2010, she was working at a convenience store when she was charged with a misdemeanor for selling beer to a minor. The charge was dismissed, court records show.
The three other women who spoke to The Post say that Moore asked them on dates when they were between 16 and 18 and he was in his early 30s.
Gloria Thacker Deason says she was 18 and Moore was 32 when they met in 1979 at the Gadsden Mall, where she worked at the jewelry counter of a department store called Pizitz. She says she was attending Gadsden State Community College and still living at home.
"My mom was really, really strict and my curfew was 10:30 but she would let me stay out later with Roy," says Deason, who is now 57 and lives in North Carolina. "She just felt like I would be safe with him. . . . She thought he was good husband material."
Deason says that they dated off and on for several months and that he took her to his house at least two times. She says their physical relationship did not go further than kissing and hugging.
"He liked Eddie Rabbitt and I liked Freddie Mercury," Deason says, referring to the country singer and the British rocker.
She says that Moore would pick her up for dates at the mall or at college basketball games, where she was a cheerleader. She remembers changing out of her uniform before they went out for dinners at a pizzeria called Mater's, where she says Moore would order bottles of Mateus Rosé, or at a Chinese restaurant, where she says he would order her tropical cocktails at a time when she believes she was younger than 19, the legal drinking age.
"If Mother had known that, she would have had a hissy fit," says Deason, who says she turned 19 in May 1979, after she and Moore started dating.
Around the same time that Deason says she met Moore at the jewelry counter, Wendy Miller says that Moore approached her at the mall, where she would spend time with her mom, who worked at a photo booth there. Miller says this was in 1979, when she was 16.
She says that Moore's face was familiar because she had first met him two years before, when she was dressed as an elf and working as a Santa's helper at the mall. She says that Moore told her she looked pretty, and that two years later, he began asking her out on dates in the presence of her mother at the photo booth. She says she had a boyfriend at the time, and declined.
Her mother, Martha Brackett, says she refused to grant Moore permission to date her 16-year-old daughter.
"I'd say, 'You're too old for her . . . let's not rob the cradle,' " Brackett recalls telling Moore.
Miller, who is now 54 and still lives in Alabama, says she was "flattered by the attention."
"Now that I've gotten older," she says, "the idea that a grown man would want to take out a teenager, that's disgusting to me."
Debbie Wesson Gibson says that she was 17 in the spring of 1981 when Moore spoke to her Etowah High School civics class about serving as the assistant district attorney. She says that when he asked her out, she asked her mother what she would say if she wanted to date a 34-year-old man. Gibson says her mother asked her who the man was, and when Gibson said "Roy Moore," her mother said, "I'd say you were the luckiest girl in the world."
Among locals in Gadsden, a town of about 47,000 back then, Moore "had this godlike, almost deity status — he was a hometown boy made good," Gibson says, "West Point and so forth."
Gibson says that they dated for two to three months, and that he took her to his house, read her poetry and played his guitar. She says he kissed her once in his bedroom and once by the pool at a local country club.
"Looking back, I'm glad nothing bad happened," says Gibson, who now lives in Florida. "As a mother of daughters, I realize that our age difference at that time made our dating inappropriate."
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By 1982, Moore was by his own account in his book causing a stir in the district attorney's office for his willingness to criticize the workings of the local legal system. He convened a grand jury to look into what he alleged were funding problems in the sheriff's office. In response, Moore writes, the state bar association investigated him for going against the advice of the district attorney, an inquiry that was dismissed.
Soon after, Moore quit and began his first political campaign for the county's circuit court judge position. He lost overwhelmingly, and left Alabama shortly thereafter, heading to Texas, where he says in his book that he trained as a kickboxer, and to Australia, where he says he lived on a ranch for a year wrangling cattle.
He returned to Gadsden in 1984 and went into private law practice. In 1985, at age 38, he married Kayla Kisor, who was 24. The two are still married.
A few years later, Moore began his rise in Alabama politics and into the national spotlight.
In 1992, he became a circuit court judge and hung his wooden Ten Commandments plaque in his courtroom.
In 2000, he was elected chief justice of Alabama's Supreme Court, and he soon installed a 5,280-pound granite Ten Commandments monument in the judicial building.
In 2003, he was dismissed from the bench for ignoring a federal court order to remove the monument, and became known nationally as "The Ten Commandments Judge."
Moore was again elected chief justice of the Alabama Supreme Court in 2012, and was again dismissed for ignoring a judicial order, this time for instructing probate judges not to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples.
All of this has made Moore a hero to many Alabama voters, who consider him a stalwart Christian willing to stand up for their values. In a September Republican primary race to replace the seat vacated by Attorney General Jeff Sessions, Moore defeated the appointed sitting senator, Luther Strange, who was backed by President Trump and other party leaders in Washington. Moore faces the Democratic nominee, Doug Jones, in a special election scheduled for Dec. 12.
On a visit home in the mid-1990s to see her mother and stepfather in Alabama, Corfman says, she saw Moore's photo in the Gadsden Times.
" 'Mother, do you remember this guy?' " Wells says Corfman said at the time.
That's when Corfman told her, Wells recalls. Her daughter said that not long after the court hearing in 1979, Moore took her to his house. Wells says that her daughter conveyed to her that Moore had behaved inappropriately.
"I was horrified," Wells says.
Years later, Corfman says, she saw a segment about Moore on ABC News's "Good Morning America." She says she threw up.
There were times, Corfman says, she thought about confronting Moore. At one point during the late 1990s, she says, she became so angry that she drove to the parking lot outside Moore's office at the county courthouse in Gadsden. She sat there for a while, she says, rehearsing what she might say to him.
" 'Remember me?' " she imagined herself saying.
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This account is based on interviews with more than 30 people who said they knew Moore between 1977 and 1982, when he served as an assistant district attorney for Etowah County in northern Alabama, where he grew up.
The information sounded pretty reliable to me. The factual logistical details all seem to correlate with the claims. I'm sure he figured he wasn't doing anything wrong, since the bible fails to condemn the exploitation of children from unscrupulous, lecherous people like himself.
I knew Moore was evil but this explains why he's such a creepy looking dude.
Apparently these rumors have been floating around for some time, and I wouldn't be at all surprised if more and more women come forward. Hopefully this sinks his candidacy......and that puts the GOP in a pickle because they can't replace the candidate within 72 days of the election.
Well, isn't that is the whole point of nothing being said until now. The story sounds like another left wing fabrication.
With the main victim a Trump voter.
LOL.
That doesn't strike you as a terrible way to win an election? Given a choice on the ballot between either Republican and the Democrat nominee, you have to know the people would vote for the Republican. But you think it's cool to screw them over by carefully timing the release of a 35 year old scandal. Wouldn't you rather there be an honest and fair election?
Sounds like the GOP needs to vet its candidates better and conservative newspapers need to stop covering up the crimes of conservatives.
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It's pretty much a guarantee that anyone who was dumb enough and gullible enough to support a bigoted theocrat who undermines the US constitution is a person dumb enough and gullible enough to vote for him no matter how credible the accusations.
I live in Alabama and have off and on for years. This is a pure BS story...but the Dems and some establishment Pubs will use it - just like the fake dossier on Trump.
every single day we see yet again some other liberal democrat being accused of sexual crimes against underage..
Hyperbole much?
Agree - my mother was from Mississippi and we have/had relatives all over the state, including relatives in Alabama. It was/is nothing unusual for men to be anywhere from 5 to 25 years older than their new brides. Hell, my grandfather was 22 years older than granma - she was 15 - had her first baby at 16 and her last, of 17, at 36, just before he passed away.
While going to college at Miss St., there was nothing unusual of male students dating local Jr and High school girls. In the South, it was, and still isn't, something frowned upon.
'Cept now - during an election where the Dems lost.
It is in my household.
Hmmmmm......I guess assault and rape are the south's way of courtship.
I raised my kids in the South but they got a whole heap of Yankee values to turn them into decent, tax paying citizens
I guess dating a younger woman is child molestation where you live, whether she’s above the age of consent or not.
Thwap
You live in the South also.
Thud!
On a seed about a Republican senate candidate, the name "Clinton" appears 107 times.
Well, of course, what else would you expect from RWNJ's, all they have in defense of Moore is, "well Clinton" I'm surprised the "But, Benghazi" hasn't started yet.
As I've been reading the seeded articles and comments for the last 2 days, I kept asking myself...how much younger is his wife?
I got the answer here. Thanks, Hal
Did anyone besides me notice the 14 year age difference? Twenty-four year old married to a 38 year old?
Hmmmm.....
So what? Lots of men will marry a younger woman. How about this one? Rich and famous men almost always have a pretty wife, no matter how ugly they are. He wants looks and she wants money and who gives a shit.
Right......so, what's the big deal?
I noticed, but didn't think it too unusual. I happen to be the product of one of those marriages and it was a lasting one
I think it's highly unusual but I was probably raised in a different atmosphere than you and your comprades above who think it's no big deal.
It was not common and even considered odd 40 years ago for a 38 year old man to marry a 24 year old woman.
Of course...if all you were expected to do in your life was to marry well then you may as well get it over with.
It sure sounds legit:
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The comments at that link are a hoot.
Strange that there is no information about this source. The rest of the story has names. Why not name this source?
There were 30 people who went on record plus at least 6 who didn't want their names known. If you want more details feel free to talk to the reporters to learn how investigative journalism works, and learn why some sources prefer to remain confidential.
Too bad the conservative local papers didn't have the basic ethics to investigate what was an open secret in Gadsden, and too bad the GOP didn't bother to "extremely vet" Moore before he won the GOP primary.
Here you go...links embedded:
It would take a rather gullible person to believe a fake news site like "70news" rather than the fact checkers who work for the Washington Post to verify what their journalists report.
There’s nothing to verify. It’s just an account by someone who may or may not be telling the truth.
BS. You obviously don't know how real journalists work. The "70news" link which volfan posted makes a false claim about the age of the 14 year old, something which the Post certainly would have verified. "70news" is a known bogus site which was used to spread Russian propaganda during the election. Apparently some folks are so gullible that still fall for that crap.
Plus the Post reporters found numerous corroborating and contemporaneous witnesses, each of which would have been double-checked by fact checkers. Same thing for the other details of the story like the presence of Moore in the courthouse on the same day in 1979 when the girl's mother had a child custody hearing.
It doesn’t matter how journalists work and their fact checking hasn’t proved a thing. Other than this woman’s statement 40 years after the fact, there is no proof whatsoever that Moore molested (or tried to molest anybody). No matter what you say or how long you say it or which way you spin, this will never be anything other than her word against his, I don’t know a thing about her credibility so her allegation is no more compelling to me than his denial.
I think I'll trust WaPo over your sources any day.
Others find it hard to trust WAPO as an unbiased source of information when it has endorsed Moore’s opponent and has been attacking Moore since he won the primary.
What exactly does that have to do with the fact that the Post found numerous contemporaneous corroborating witnesses who were willing to go one the record?
Also note that no ethical newspaper would endorse a candidate with Moore's record of racism, homophobia, ethical violations and flouting of the US constitution. And that's before his predilection for underage girls was widely known. In fact I don't think any newspaper at all has endorsed Moore.
This is so funny! 1979!
Why do you find the sexual violation of a teenage girl funny no matter how long ago it happened? Oh, wait. You voted an admitted sexual predator for President so rape and degradation of women is all be a joke to right-wingers. I guess that's the difference between liberals and conservatives. When we find them in our midst we ostracize and put them in jail when possible. Right-wingers make heroes out of them.
What did he admit to and what are the actual charges against him?
"You voted an admitted sexual predator for President so rape and degradation of women is all be a joke to right-wingers."
Reported as a CoC violation.
Oh, stop, with your sanctimonious mess!
Who knows this is true? Do you? Do you know all the circumstances? Were you there?
Oh, tell me, please, you were a witness and didn't come forward!
Well that sure is the pot screaming at the kettle.
So you believe all of Clinton's accusers and none of trumps, or Moore's? This really isn't a partisan issue, Moore is a known racist, bigot and misogynist, why is it such a stretch to believe that he sexually assaulted a woman? The time frame makes no difference, the gal he assaulted has been saying this stuff for years and no one would listen, now? People ARE listening because Moore wants the limelight.
What if it was your daughter that he molested? Would you feel the same way?
Would you feel the same way if it were your son she accused and he said that she’s lying?
Why can't you answer my question?
What year did it happen to you? Is it 'funny' now?
Life goes on! It momentarily caused a problem in my life. Than, it was over!
That isn't an answer to my question.
It happened 20 years ago.
It wasn't funny then and it isn't funny now. But, do you really think I am going to let some AH ruin my life?
I'll presume you weren't 14 years old at the time. It takes empathy to relate to someone who is young, inexperienced, and vulnerable. Not everyone is like you, not everyone has the strength to stand up and report abuse, especially when the abuser is a powerful person.
I don't judge women and girls who don't come forward. Nor do I judge them when they decide to tell their story, even if it's years, even decades later. I suppose it's cathartic, even when nothing can legally be done about the abuse.
I have heard many a 'confessional' from abused women in my 60+ years and I have never thought even one of them was 'funny'.
I would hope you could be honest and acknowledge that no one thinks the act is funny. It's the timing of the story that is suspect.
What's "suspect" about it? Your party obviously doesn't vet its candidates and you let the national press do it for you after Moore won the GOP primary.
Infowars, really? Any child prostitution rings being busted in pizza parlors lately?
The guy has been a public figure for decades, but one month before his almost certain election to the Senate, a salacious scandal suddenly appears in the news. If you don't find that suspicious, I just don't know what else to say.
Mind you, I'm not saying it's true or false - only that the timing smells.
It's a WAPO hit in support of their candidate. It doesn't make any difference to them whether it's true or false as long as it takes Moore out.
It's the first time the national press has ever looked into his background. I can see why the conservative local media and the GOP didn't bother to do that.....because they fully approve of Moore's homophobic, racist and theocratic views and apparently also approve of his corrupt use of his "charity."
Prior to this story the national press has only cared about Moore's ethics problems and his unconstitutional behavior on the bench. He's a joke.
He was a Judge. Who follows a judge except when he pisses on the Constitution like Judge Moore did twice?
Here you've got several women coming forth with the same story, "This creepy old man chased after me when I was a teen" , and their story is backed up by 30 contemporaneous witness. Friends, family, co-workers that go on the rerecord saying, "We'll yes she did tell me about that creep decades ago, at the time he was messing with her".
Then, when Hannity tries to hand walk him through a defense of his actions by asking if he might have been inappropriately dating teenagers when he was in his 30's Moore came up with that stupid, "I don't remember dating teenagers at that time but if I did I always got their Mommies permission", answer.
AL.com - Alambama Local News
Former Roy Moore co-worker says it was 'common knowledge' he dated teens
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For the life of me I can't figure out if Judge Moore thinks the voters of Alabama are all just stupid or does he think he's got them as deluded as a Jim Jones congregation to belive they'd vote for him after all that's come to light.
Guess will know in a month where they fall.
I can't control what other people approve of. In the few years I have heard of him, I haven't been a fan simply because he has indicated that he does not need to obey a holding from the SCOTUS. That's a problem for me. My focus is solely on the suspect nature of the timing, which can be acknowledged whether you like the guy's politics or not.
Kudos to you for that. It's my main complaint about Moore too.
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Sounds like the GOP should have vetted their candidates better before the primary. It was obvious that if he won the primary Moore would get the attention of the national press.
It's also a serious failure on the part of the local press since apparently they've been aware of these allegations for decades.
He just needs to go to court and change his name to Bill Clinton and become a dem and he will be ok.
Whatever Clinton did or didn't do never involved 14 year old girls. Why do you support what this monster did to this girl? That's GIRL, not woman.
Why do you support Bill? To maintain the party in power is why. Moore is a slug and was long before these allegations happened.
If you believe that all of Bill's women were telling the truth about his rape and assaults then I will believe this claim.
Your proof is where?????
He doesn't have any proof and neither does she!
Unbelievable. It is now vogue to accuse after 40 years!
How about the Lolita Express? Heard about that one with Pres. Clinton?
You seemed not to have a problem with it when Juanita Broaddrick was doing it!
Really? Has any women come out and claimed that Bill Clinton molested them when they were minors? And if some do and it's been a few years will you not believe them like you don't believe this woman?
I would not believe them.
What?
There is no proof of any of this. Do you know something we don't?
But then there were Bill’s trips on the Loilita Express to Jeffrey Epstein’s orgy island of underage sex slaves.
What does one have to do with the other? Facts are facts. YOU don't want to believe the FACTS about Moore any more [pun intended] than you want to believe the FACTS about Clinton.
You don’t have any more facts about Moore than anybody has about Clinton.
Allegations and innuendo are reality? Here you go then:
Fine. If allegations and innuendo are reality for Trump and Moore, then it’s reality for Bill. I bet if you look, you’ll find somebody who’ll claim that Bill had sex with a chicken 40 years ago while Hillary held his pants.
I believe the facts about both of them. The problem is that the left doesn't believe the facts about Clinton. They excuse his behavior and elected him twice. Then go all high dudgeon when a sleazy rep gets outed for something that happened 30 years ago. Outed at a time when it's too late to replace him. Why didn't they out him before the primary?
Yet lack of facts didn't stop Trump from trying to make Hillary Clinton answerable to allegations about Bill Clinton did it? Trump makes unsubstantiated allegations ad nauseam and y'all lap it up.
What about Clinton.
Where is Obama's birth certificate?
Where are his transcripts?
Obama wiretapped Trump Tower!
Uranium One!
Hillary paid Russians to tell her about my team's Russian connections...
Why?
The Moore facts MATTER because he may be about to become a Senator. Clinton's election is in the PAST and NOTHING will or can change it's outcome.
You're the one that made unfounded allegations and posted innuendo. Own it.
But you had no problem supporting the Clinton's in the past. A chance to take a senate seat in a red state is good reason to go after a 30+ year old accusation? That's what it is all about.
He was a judge and during that time there were many opportunities for her to come forward. She didn't!
First of all, you didn't answer my question.
Secondly, BILL Clinton was NEVER accused of molesting a minor. He lied.
Thirdly, WHY do y'all ALWAYS insist that Hillary Clinton be held responsible for the actions of her husband?
Is Melania responsible for what Donny said on that bus?
Is Jean Hastert responsible for Dennis diddling his students?
Is Wendy Vitter responsible for David hiring prostitutes?
No, a good reason to REPORT the allegations of multiple women is so that the people of Alabama can evaluate the ACTUAL moral and ethical standing of the GOP Senate nominee.
Then WHY do you keep bringing up Clinton?
What do you think that proves? The fact that Moore was later elected to be a Judge could be ONE of the reasons why 'she didn't', until now.
Perhaps I can suggest some other reasons why she didn't report the assault:
The data also finds that only about 26% of sexual assaults are reported.
To point out liberal hypocrisy
While ignoring your own.
How's that? I didn't want Moore in the first place. He isn't the sharpest pencil in the box and didn't deserve his win.
My issue is the media makes a 30 year old story the headline after Moore can't be taken off the ballot. Why did they sit on it? So they could use it for political assassination.
BTW he is innocent until proven guilty.
There was an open court case involving trump, jeffery epstein and a 13 year old girl. There is nothing but hearsay and rumors from right wing rags about Bill on epsteins "lolita express".
When trump was asked about Jeffery epstein he said, "I have know him for 20 years, he is a great guy and really knows how to have a great time!!!".
Prove it. And what exactly do any of that have to do with Roy Moore? You are aware that Clinton left office almost 20 years ago, right?
No, that is where you are wrong, you said we voted for him twice AFTER the allegations came out, Clinton was already president when the allegations came out and, NO WHERE IN THE ALLEGATIONS WAS THERE ANY MENTION OF A 14 YEAR OLD GIRL, in fact the WOMEN he was said to have had were all well over the age of consent, including Monica. Now, can you show us on here where Bill was charged, tried and, convicted of any of it? I won't hold my breath waiting for you to show me that, because it doesn't exist.
The allegations against Bill were for time when he was governor. People in AR knew all about it but the left wing media wouldn't report it. So you not knowing about it means you only watch the left wing media.
You seem hung up on 30 years. What's the cut off point?
Also, you've already stated that the only thing that matters is that Moore isn't a Dem, so WHY does it matter whether Moore can be taken off of the ballot or not?
What evidence do you have that they did?
Again, if all of Moore's abhorrent actions to date didn't assassinate him politically in Alabama ALREADY, WTF makes you think this will?
As long as he is not a dem?
Anybody can accuse anybody of anything but the question is whether they can prove it. An accusation, standing alone, is no more compelling than the denial and age is irrelevant to veracity. Bill was not charged, tried, or convicted and neither was Moore. Both are presumed innocent.
Because it wasn't pursued by WAPO until he won the primary.
That doesn't prove that they sat on it.
When did WAPO find out about the allegations? It's been less than 2 months since the primary. How many people did they interview over what length of time.
You and yours whine about articles that use anonymous sources yet when WAPO does it's due diligence, gets people on the record and NAMES names, you claim they didn't publish it fast enough.
Why did WAPO go after Moore now? Because he won a primary. Why didn't WAPO go after the story ten years ago? Moore wasn't running for senate. The hit piece is politically motivated.
Why do you think you can refuse to answer my questions while continuing to expect me to answer yours?
Roy Moore is a home state freak who stayed under his rock in Alabama. Now, he's come out in the light of day onto the NATIONAL spotlight.
Any accusations against Moore would be viewed through a political lens because he is now a POLITICIAN. Sadly, this story isn't unique, it happens in towns all over the country. Predators take advantage of girls and young women every day. The vast majority of those cases don't make the news, they rarely even make the police docket.
So did it make headlines because of the perpetrator, YES. Does it make the allegations less credible or abhorant, NO.
Answer my questions:
Thirdly, WHY do y'all ALWAYS insist that Hillary Clinton be held responsible for the actions of her husband?
Is Melania responsible for what Donny said on that bus?
Is Jean Hastert responsible for Dennis diddling his students?
Is Wendy Vitter responsible for David hiring prostitutes?
Touche'
Another 'whatabout' major fail.
There wasn't any left or, right wing media back then, that didn't happen until FAUX Noise came into existence but, to your point, I did know about, when Bill became president everything came out and, I'll tell you what I said then, "if the women could prove it was forced and, they did not consent then he is a rapist" but, they couldn't prove it and, it didn't go anywhere, as far as Monica is concerned that was consensual sex and, she admitted as much, what I said about her was this, "Name one president that didn't have a mistress somewhere" and, "If you're going to impeach Clinton for having a mistress then you have to go back in time and, impeach every president that had a mistress."
Then why have you been posting on Weinstein's seed and, saying that he is guilty or, at least presuming he is guilty of the ACCUSATIONS that are being made about him? He hasn't gone to court yet and, he hasn't been convicted of anything yet.
Pot meet Kettle.
Why won’t y’all hold her responsible for her own actions?
Which actions would those be? The ones made up by the Right Wing?
You must be kidding!
I knew full well which media was conservative and which wasn't. Which national news magazines had more conservative writers and the ones that didn't.
Weinstein admits it by checking into "rehab". Weinstein's predatory behavior has continued until recently. The Moore allegation is 38 years old. Where are the recent ones if he is the predator of young girls the left wants to make him out to be? Where are the news articles about this when he was running for other offices? Where are the news articles about this during the court controversy?
This only comes up because he is running for senate and the left will do anything including lie in order to take a senate seat.
Hillary is responsible for how she treated the accusers of Bill.
Then politicians must be held accountable for 38 year old unproven allegations? Unproven allegations of criminal behavior are all it takes to remove a candidate? By that standard both candidates in '16 should have been removed.
Moore has been a politician for decades. Why does the story happen now? So the left can try to take a senate seat.
If Moore is a sex predator preying on young girls where are the recent victims?
Another one who 'answers' a question with a question.
Good job, nice to know you support an accused pedophile.
I thought you had a problem with unfounded accusations.
Don't you want to apply the same standard to both?
Innocent until proven guilty.
It's nice to know you supported a woman who enabled her rapist husband.
The question is, what would it take for you to condemn Roy?
I have no use for Roy. Never did. The only thing he is good for is keeping control of the senate. Same thing dems did with Bill. Couldn't have him answer for his rapes and assaults on women. Look the other way as long as power is maintained.
Alabama State Auditor just said Roy Moore is like the parents of Christ. “Also take Joseph and Mary. Mary was a teenager and Joseph was an adult carpenter. They became parents of Jesus.”
I have no use for him either and he is in my home state. But, a molester? No way in hell!
But Joseph was not the father...........keep reaching.........
But pedophilia is okay if you're a fundamentalist, rightwing bag-o-shit, then.
You are on a roll!
Somehow you managed to miss the point. The yahoo state auditor is saying that a 32 year old man with a 14 year old girl is okay because it's in the Bible.
And you know that how? Were you a witness? Do you have anyone that can prove he didn't?
Apparently anything not specifically outlined in the ten commandments is fair game. That must be why he is so enamored with them - there's no "thou shalt not sexually present thyself in thy tighty whities to a child."
Yep, the same proof that you have that he did!
I hear you. The big picture is control of the senate. A vote against Moore is a vote for Chuckie.
The bible-babbling state auditor also defended Moore's sexual molestation of a child with this line:
That's pretty easy to answer....PROOF....undeniable and verifiable PROOF
Allegations made after all this time for political reasons are not PROOF!
Do you have anyone that can PROVE he DID??
Of course you don't
Yeah, but it most like never happened, this really sounds like a made up fake story that liberals are so fond of presenting as reality.
Obviously nothing about a private experience with no witnesses will satisfy your standard 40 years after the fact, but the women only reluctantly told their stories and their stories are consistent over multiple interviews.....and apparently none of the women know each other.
Plus the main victim is a Trump voter, and you've got the fact that the women told friends (and one told her mother) many years ago, long before Moore was running for the Senate.
and you've got the fact that the women told friends (and one told her mother) many years ago, long before Moore was running for the Senate.
And not one said a word for almost 40 years....sounds kinda Cosby-ish
You well know it's all political and unproveable, so as much as I detest Moore, I hope he goes on to occupy his seat.
After all, Clinton did far worse and was elected to be Prez twice, and has never apologized to any of his victims.
Whether he is guilty or innocent, I have 2 problems with the story:
1) As I'm sure others will address is the timing of this.
She waited all this time - until Roy Moore won a hotly contested primary to make these allegations! (Luther Strange cant run again in this election and Moore's name has to stay on the ballot). We really have to do something about what I consider intentional defamation and a political attack, again whether he is guilty or innocent.
2) Then there is this:
"Neither Corfman nor any of the other women sought out The Post. While reporting a story in Alabama about supporters of Moore's Senate campaign, a Post reporter heard that Moore allegedly had sought relationships with teenage girls. Over the ensuing three weeks, two Post reporters contacted and interviewed the four women."
Really? Let's face it, the article even admits the Post was looking for something on Moore. What I said above applies here. We really need to end the practice of using allegations to alter a Senate race and that is exactly what is at work here.
Let's face it, the article even admits the Post was looking for something on Moore.
That’s what reporters are supposed to do, by definition. If they come across some alarming information, of course they are going to research the details and report on it. It’s their job. These women kept their experiences secret, which is also not that unusual. Either someone went looking for dirt and found it, or there are a lot of people risking their asses over a wholly made up conspiracy. Given the logistical details presented, I’m inclined to believe the former.
Then where have they been for the past 8 years?
Where were they on "Uranium 1", Lynch's investigation of Clinton, or the IRS investigation?
As the WaPo article notes it was an open secret in Gadsden for decades. Given that fact I was wondering why the local paper hadn't reported on it, but this helps explain why:
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It also helps explain why Moore married a woman 14 years younger than him.
Reporters are using their power to bring down candidates they don't like. It's all about power in DC. Dems will stop at nothing to get it. They did it to Clarence Thomas, Trump and now Moore. At the same time ignoring or downplaying their own beloved Bill "put some ice on that lip" Clinton.
This thing doesn't pass the smell test. If it's true she withheld the info for decades and now WAPO owned by the leftist Besos digs this up when the ballot can't be changed. Where were they when Moore was making headlines over the ten commandment issue?
It makes it another leftist hit piece! I predict a Moore landslide. Sad because I wanted the guy he beat and so did Trump. Moore is a slug! Like Trump the only value Moore has to me is SCOTUS appointments.
Small towns like that have protected perverts like Moore for century. Same for the Catholic Church and probably the protestant ones, too that we just haven't heard about yet.
Reminds me of the hit job that was done on Herman Cain.. He rose to the top of the candidates, then all of a sudden the headlines were of women that said he did something to them 30 years ago, Herman dropped out, and that was the last anyone ever heard of the accusers, or their cases against Cain.
Fucking simpletons lap this shit up though.
Yes, The Post had a dog in the game. They already endorsed Moore's democratic opponent. Here that have gone back to find someone from nearly 4 decades ago, whom the article described as "reluctant" to come forward and all of a sudden we have incendiary allegations less a month before the election Moore was favored to win.
Depraved indifference.
Talk about beating dead horses. Because all those old old old deflections are DOA. All investigated, all over. Do you honestly think republicans wouldn't have used that crap last year if there was any life left in them at all? Of course not. So this is just your wishful thinking that you can deflect from the clusterfuck of Trump scandals and ongoing investigations and indictments. Hillary is just a private citizen. Where are Trumps tax returns?
Tough shit for everyone, women (and men) have had enough sexual harassment and the dams have burst. You might not like it, you might not believe it (yet), but this ain't going away, the younger generations have taken their power and its time for assholes across the spectrum to reap what they've sown. This isn't just democrats and republicans. it crosses all boundaries and businesses. Most women know this because it has happened to almost all of us at some point in our lives. Your flippant denials can't do shit to stop this tidal wave, and about fucking time. Karma's a bitch.
This has become so obvious that resentment of the media will likely fuel Moore’s campaign.
Trump turned it into a seat in the oval office. Moore will probably do the same. Once again the second to last choice will take office.
That's about all the choice out there anymore. I could have voted for Jim Webb but the dems wanted Hillary. Kasich would be a great choice but we got Trump. Luther would be a good senator but we got Moore.
The last time I was optimistic was when Obama won his first term. That vanished before the first year was over. He became just another pol.
Someday before I die I will get a chance to vote for my first choice. I hope!
And I'll bet you would still vote for Bill if you could.
I might bitch slap my old orthodontist for harassment too. You can whine all you want, Bill Clinton went under the microscope back in the 90's, you know, after you laughed of Clarence Thomas's sexual harassment of Anita Hill. Those days have passed, Bill Clinton was adjudicated already in the past, and what is happening today comes out under the new light. Bill might be in different shit today, but now that light is shining on current relevant people, not him (been there, done that). One day you'll just have to quit the Clintons, I'll bet there is a self help program for that out there somewhere.
Bill's behavior is being used to show liberal hypocrisy. This is political. Using 30 year old allegations now when they could have been used back when he was a judge. This is just leftist fake outrage so they can gain a senate seat.
Spare me the snark about self help. Don't make it personal.
Afraid not. They may get the independent investigation they deserved
The same place yours are.
If it happened more than a couple decades ago, I hope you saved your blue dress, because without proof, as a judge, I'd charge you with slander and libel.
The funniest stuff is what is happening in Hollywood right now, lol... Whatever, they gave a standing ovation to Roman Polanski for doing a bill cosbey on a 14 year old girl and repeatedly raping her.. Way to go liberals!
Defamation: the action of damaging the good reputation of someone; slander or libel
You can't defame a scumbag if there is proof that he is a scumbag.
Scumbags SHOULD be attacked in everyway, including politically.
Me too, can't stand the guy, but he seems to be apprenticing into the job with favorable and improving performance. The Court is very important. The foolish liberals do this kind of last minute cheap political dirty trick on a consistent basis, and it's not having much effect. Predict Moore's victory will be more than it would have been. And of course the Establishment RINO's want him out along their Democrap buddies
Sooo, you're OK with a serial rapist and, a pedophile picking SCOTUS justices.
You must not watch Fox.
Just as you were OK with a corrupt grifter and her serial rapist husband you would probably vote for again if you could. Unlike you we are honest enough to admit that it is about political power.
As long as they are not dems?
What makes you think that the WAPO didn't report on Glassroth v. Moore? You should go read their story about the 'Draft Roy Moore' news conference held by the Conservative Caucus to replace O'Connor on the SCOTUS. Here's a quote from the article:
This about a man who was kicked off of the Alabama Supreme Court TWICE for violating the Constitution of the United States.
Can you show me court documents proving that they were convicted of anything you accuse them of? Thought not.
Wrong assumption, nor surprising.
So you don't like Bill now? You supported impeachment back then? You believed all of the women?
Can you show me court documents proving Moore's accuser?
And NOTHING was said about him and girls. Only when the left has a chance to take a senate seat does it matter.
You know, you claim to like the Constitution but, when a government official violates it and, then is accused of being a pedophile it's Okee Dokee with you that he runs for Congress.
Still missing the point. The unproven allegations are over 30 years old. There will never be a prosecution. They are being brought up now because the left has a chance to take a red state senate seat. Where was the media going after Moore during the primary? Where were they when he ran for governor? Where were they when he was fighting with the Supreme court? They were silent! Only when the left sees a chance to win a senate seat do they say anything.
That is what is despicable now. If Moore was going after little girls last week then he should withdraw. For unproven allegations from 30 years ago? No.
Thanks for reconfirming how lax the rightwing "morality" is when it comes to one of their own but never bends for their hate targets. BTW, here's what the AL criminal code says about what Moore did:
But I'm sure you're right. The chances of someone like Moore being prosecuted for this crime in a state like, where scum like Moore are almost objects of worship, are infinitesimally small.
That was then, this is now. What we now know abut the magnitude of sexual abuse of women by men of all political stripes and colors across all socio-economic groups and in every segment of our economy and civil life would have made a big difference if a democrat with Clinton's baggage tried to run now. Also so many people like you lied about (and still do) the Clintons that it was pretty safe to assume it mostly lies then. But you got your day in court both in the Senate and in AR and celebrated when Clinton got disbarred and had to pay Jones $850k (btw, didn't it disappoint you a bit that she settled and didn't let the jury decide that case?). Why not let Moore have his day in court and see how he comes out? (don't bother answering that, we already know what you'll say)
Wow, you're impatient. Not even sure there will be a charge and you're wanting to see "court documents. That really speaks to a real fear about this. As I've said to others of your side, relax. This kind of thing will get swept under the rug in AL faster than you can say "Dixie."
They swept it under the rug and declared there’s nothing to see here so move along. But it’s too big a pile for those with eyes to ignore.
And you believed all of them then and none* of them now. We can play this ping-pong all day long if you like.
* except, of course, the women who've complained against the bugbears of the rightwing: Hollywood, liberals, dems, anyone else who happens to rattle their cages.
This kind of thing will get swept under the rug in AL faster than you can say "Dixie."
Don't you mean "dick see"?
I'm sure that in your world that means something. In the real world, when a state judicial board impeaches you because of your REFUSAL to uphold your oath, the facts of THAT case are what the charges are based on. Moore's propensity for trying to diddle minor girls was irrelevant. In FACT, if it were brought up, Moore would have whined even louder than he is now.
Nope, Moore's sexual assault of a minor should matter whether he was running for Senate or not. Of course, you've already indicated that it DOESN'T matter merely BECAUSE he is a GOP candidate for Senate.
I know, right? It's just terrible when reporters do their job well and follow leads. Even worse when they publish open secrets about Senate or Presidential candidates.
At least Steve Bannon had the courage to whine about the Post's accurate reporting!
Really? The story is 30 years old. After 30 years of nothing it only becomes important after his name can't be removed from the ballot? It's a political hit by the leftist media.
Had that happened years ago I would agree. A 30 year old story is brought up after he can't be removed from the ballot. Now it's just political assassination.
Bill Clinton is rightwing?
Yet both you and I know ALL about it. I for one have READ plenty in the media about Roy Moore over the years and unless you learned about his violations of the Constitution through osmosis, you MUST have read about it too [or seen it on Fox].
Silent? Hardly...
Once you threw your lot in with an admitted, habitual sexual predator like Trump (and now Moore) the thin ledge you were standing on with that Clinton line collapsed.
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Zoom zoom!
Like Clinton
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Zoom zoom!
Debunked years ago, the only reason it's in the media again is because trump knew manafort was about to be arrested and he needed a diversion. Pure deflection, nothing more.
When there is no complainant, there is no chance of prosecution even in ass backwards looney bins like California. If she had something to say and couldn’t do it at 14 as she puberty, then she should have come forward before she hit menopause. So she had the ages of 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24 . . . 51.
More like "ignored." What we are finding out all over society is how long these allegations have been around and ignored, dismissed and attacked. It's a tribute to the courage of these women that any of them subject themselves to the hate, threats and intimidation they get. I have no doubt Leigh Cofman is getting death and other hideous threats from the "good christian" supporters of Roy Shitbag Moore.
That's pretty funny. We knew about Bill AFTER he was elected, we knew about trump BEFORE he was elected and people STILL voted for him.
Absolutely silent about 30 year old allegations! They were only important because the left has a chance to take a senate seat.
So you've just admitted that this is what you did with Clinton.
Bill's behavior was known when he was running. Dems didn't care!
Agree with what? That he'd whine louder?
SO WHAT? All that matters to you is that he isn't a Democrat.
Seriously? It has been proven beyond a reasonable doubt that he has violated EVERY oath he has ever taken to the Constitution and you see THIS as political assassination? Sheesh that's one hell of a set of standards...
Clinton's behavior was known before he first ran. Dems elected him anyway.
Cherry picking based on ideology and politics--that's so rightwing of you.
Your deflection is hilarious.
That's not something you ever bother to come up with when you attack liberals, though, right?
I believe the accusation against Moore is true. Do you believe Bill's accusers?
No, it wasn't. Trumps was know before the election, remember the access hollywood tapes? And you still voted for him.
The timing of the charges makes it political assassination. The left sat on a story until it is too late to get him off the ballot.
I didn't whine when Anthony Weiner got taken down, why do you have such a problem? By the way, these women went through similar things to what happened to me. We didn't used to talk about it. Tough shit if karma comes late, doesn't mean the allegations aren't true. I believe them even against people I thought I liked, regardless of politics. Work on those double standards. You're just ticked it might interfere in your tax cut or something. I know you are all bent 'because Bill Clinton blah blah blah', but that was uncovered under those old standards of yesterday, today the biteback will be much worse on the perps. Stop whining and defending what happened by trying to deny it.
So, prove it didn't happen.
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Then you only read the msm!
Oh, good, I missed that in the post overlap. And like I said, Bill was adjudicated under past standards.
My problem is the timing. It took WAPO 30 years to do the story on a very controversial public figure? Why now? Because they see a chance to get a dem victory in a red state.
The problem the left has is that since the story is 30 years old and nothing more recent has come up. people will forgive and vote for him. Voters know that a vote against Moore is a vote for Chuckie. Voters today know the dirty tricks the media and dems play and will punish them again.
But still is revered in liberal circles. So much for new standards. When he is banned from the DNC convention then I'll believe new standard apply to him.
Not even relevant! The only thing that matters to the left is that Bill is a D and Moore is an R!
Flagged again for calling me a liar.
You're assuming again. I don't view Bill Clinton as a scumbag any more than you see Trump as a scumbag.
I can take or leave Bill Clinton. He and the other ex Presidents are doing some good work last I heard.
No. It was a waste of time.
Which women? I believe what Juanita Broaddrick swore to, do you?
Here is what she said in a 1998 affidavit:
You think I want any of those people protected? You think I care if they are male, female, dem or republican? Priest or banker? Senator or President? You are just pissed the dam has burst and one of your republican assholes is caught in it.
They do think that despite the fact that these creeps are finding zero support from the liberal community. They have to believe that to justify their support of sexual scumbags like Trump and Moore (and there's a long list of other).
You really don't get it, do you? This has nothing to do with politics, other than your guy is caught up in it. This is about women saying 'we're as mad as hell and we're not going to take it anymore'. If you don't get it, you'd better catch up quick. This has been close to the surface for a long time, your bad luck about the timing, but you can't control it and neither can the media.
No, it is about morals and, ethics, obviously your party has none.
Your'e absolutely right. The rightwing loves to support sexual predators and every other one of their criminals just to show they have no morals whatsoever. Moore was going to win in AL before this story broke and that's not going to change. Alabama voters have shown no indication in the past the the crimes republican candidates commit as candidates or in office bothers them in the least.
That's just too damn bad. This dam burst a month ago, and it didn't start in politics. If you really don't get what is happening today, you really need to learn more. Most women know, even if a few want to pretend it doesn't for the sake of politics. And bringing up Bill Clinton isn't going to get you anywhere. That was adjudicated decades ago and you need to deal with with has come to light TODAY.
And that justifies putting a child sexual molester and an admitted sexual predator in high offices, one of the the highest? Skirting the CoC [ph]
He's nothing if not consistent in that regard.
You never have any problem with "timing" if a dem is getting accused. I like to bring Weiner's case up for several reasons and "timing" is one of them. He was well on his way to winning at least the first round voting for mayor in NY a few years ago and probably would have won the final vote. He had been caught "sexting" and had apologized profusely and swore never to do it again, he was done, he was a new man. His wife had forgiven him and stayed at his side. Then the news that he'd done again, this time to a 15 y.o., before he entered the race. But when that news broke, his base, liberal New Yorkers (he was a liberal firebrand, you remember) dumped him in a NY minute and I mean for good. He got charged, convicted and now is in jail. Show me one republican candidate that republicans treated that way in the last, oh, say 30 years. Just one.
The standards of adjudication haven’t changed.
I think people are presumed innocent even in a looney bin like California. What people in Alabama may resent is a smear campaign.
If democrats hadn’t nominated a scumbag like Hillary, then they might have a point.
A big stinky pile
In other words one news organization carried the story
We will find out now that a key witness has recently had a gag order removed. The very one that black supremacist Eric Holder placed on him
And in a later interview to NBC she recanted that and claimed Bill did rape her. So I believe her and all of Bill's accusers. Do you only believe her first statement or the latter?
The only way he would get to Gracie is on a visitors pass. Not then and not now!
He claims his innocence and he is until proven guilty. Should Hillary have stepped aside for her US code violations?
It's bad for libs! The voters see through the dirty tricks and the msm in the tank for libs.
I mention Clinton just because I love to see liberal pretzels.
All they did was say that Hillary didn’t have a veto over the deal and swept it under the rug as though her silence on the deal (rather veto) isn’t worth money. It’s simple. Russia wants the uranium so they get their associated bankers to pay Bill $500,000 for a speech and, by “coincidence”, Hillary kept her big mouth shut and the deal went through. Of course she absentmindedly forgot to mention that she had a fucking half million dollar conflict of interest. But no worries for the MSM.
Says the supporter of the party of Clinton, Weiner, Waters, Menendez, Marion Barry, and of course "Cold Cash Jefferson to name a few.
This is all politics!!
If it were not about politics the charges would have never been brought to light after 30 years.
Vic, aren't you the one who has a habit of posting fake stories? How ironic that you're now whining about good investigative reporting.
That sounds like an admission that the story (and open secret) was covered up for 40 years because the media in Alabama is generally right wing.
Finally some reporters actually did their job.
That sounds like an admission that the story (and open secret) was covered up for 40 years because the media in Alabama is generally right wing.
And now you're whining that some reporters actually did their job well.
If the job is to be the ministry of propaganda for the DNC, then they’re always on their job. They play up stories against Republicans they don’t like and play down stories to help their buddies.
Maybe your guys should stop sexually molesting children? That way they wouldn't have to worry about what reporters dig up.
I have seen you singing praises to Roman Polanski. Care to walk that shit back, here, now? C'mon lib, tell us what a filthy pos Roman Polanski was!
Well since I am aware of every one of the STORIES mentioned, Fox can't be the only organization that carried them. But Fox saturated their 'commentary' with those stories ad nauseam as they are doing now with the Uranium One BS.
Also, according to the experts, pedophiles relapse on a consistent basis. They are what they are, and they can't be cured.
So...if this true, what happened before this alleged incident, and after it. Moore has been the news a lot in recent years. Why is it only coming up now?
It really looks like some made up story, or someone's flawed memories from that day 38 years ago.
So what's your proof??
So you think she LIED in a SWORN affidavit but you think she told the truth in a TV interview. Hilarious.
So you believe her when she tells you what you want to hear.
I already stated that I believe her sworn affidavit.
Proof of what?
Only when it suited their political goal.
He said he didn't. Until a court says he did he didn't.
I don't think Moore is going to let it lie. He will, probably, file suit against them.
And, let them bring proof that he did this.
The whole story isn't passing the smell test.
And do you believe reports that Hillary's "bimbo squad" pressured her into that sworn statement? Bad things happened to people who opposed the Clintons.
Moore is the victim of a politically motivated media that seeks to destroy conservatives. This supposedly happened 38 years ago. When has it happened recently? Perverts don't stop living their fantasy. Moore has enough ex wives out there to disclose lots of dirt. Why haven't they?
I think this woman has bit off more than she can chew.
I feel for kids who had problem childhoods. If the charges are true then Moore needs to fade into obscurity. Given the manufactured stories coming from the left of late though I can easily see this as WAPO creativity.
The current accusations aside, Moore was twice removed from the Alabama Supreme Court. Does that qualify him for a seat in the senate?
Rinse and repeat. Still BS.
Do you have any proof or are you just repeating unfounded innuendo?
OH PLEASE!
Deal with the accusation that are in the seed and wait for the rest of his history come as it may...
I am dealing with the accusation in the seed. It's starting to fall apart on closer inspection.
This is just another leftwing media hit.
I have had enough of the left's politics of destruction. Time to fight back!
It's still a leftist assassination attempt.
Bannon needs to learn who the enemy is and fight fire with fire. Go after the leftists with the same energy the left goes after the right.
He was removed for political reasons.
What I want is for the people of his state to choose who they want for senate and not the WAPO or the hypocritical left.
I really want senators picked by the state legislature as it was originally done.
If you call not upholding the law, political reasons. What happens when and if he is a senator and decides not to uphold the law. Also, as a senator, he will be voting on SC candidates, why would anyone respect his opinion on such matters.
Actually they have. If Bill Clinton were happening right now he'd be toast too. But hes not, its old stuff, so why do you keep bringing it up?
The adjudication standards are exactly the same. Public perception may be different but that's not based on any adjudication standard. And if Hillary can rig the primary and glide by then Bill could glide by too.
The constant hypocrisy of the left when they criticize others for doing the same thing they do.
It's not just the Left, it's the Establishment and it is comprised of Democrats and Republicans. It's blatantly in our face these days. It's as transparent as Obama's Administration was to some of us. We know too many of these Republican Leaders don't represent us and the Democrat Leaders fool their useful idiots every day of the week.
Actually in his recent interview on Hannity, Moore essentially admitted he had dated teenagers when he was in his 30s. He's still denying that he sexually molested a 14 year old but the Post has found 29 people who corroborate her claims. Even the court record on that day is corroboration.
I like how the GOP and the local papers apparently don't think it's their job to vet GOP candidates. No wonder you folks always allow these scumbags into office!
Apparently the GOP doesn't believe in personal responsibility.
Dating teenagers is not a crime.
How can they cooroborate something they didn’t see and if they saw it then what did they do? Clap?
Good idea - that way all the corruption, theocracy and pedophilia can be hidden from the public. Keep it all in smoke-filled rooms.
Looks who’s talking. Democrats nominated a scumbag for president who turned not taking personal responsibility into an art form.
LOL. Moore was removed both times by Alabama's own judicial commission because he blatantly violated judicial ethics.
And frankly there were far more serious incidents than just these two which should have been prosecuted.
It seems your party doesn't know how to vet its own candidates, and you expect others not only to do your work for you but to be psychic and predict that someone will run for the US Senate 30 years in the future.
Are you accusing Brodderick of perjury? Why would you believe such a liar now?
LOL.....no one claimed it was illegal in Alabama for Moore to date someone half his age, but it sure does raise eyebrows.
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The illegal part was when he sexually molested a 14 year old, not when he dated teens above the age of consent.
It shouldn’t raise the eyebrows of anybody who wouldn’t be bothered if he had dated another man.
There you go. He shouldn’t be judged by different standards 40 years later. In fact, this really underscores why the controversy over teenage girls is total bullshit.
This is like an episode of Leave it to Beaver, where people don’t undress. If he wasn’t banging her, then who gives a shit.
The part that can’t be proven.
Ummm...we're talking about Moore dating minors half his age not adults, but it is rather revealing that you share the same anti-gay bias as Moore. Are you an SBC member like Moore is? I always assumed he was a vehement homophobe because he was deeply in the closet and in denial, but now we have evidence that he's really a pervert who sexually molests pubescent girls.
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People are free to judge him however they like. Even his victims thought it was creepy for a guy in his mid 30s to be dating girls half his age.
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So? What's your point? He's not being prosecuted for it. People are free to judge the claims and the contemporaneous corroborating witnesses on their own merits. It seems that even the GOP's NRSC fundraising group finds the claims credible since they've cut off their funding to Moore.
I am accusing Hillary of witness tampering!
It seems the left uses the media as a weapon.
Your party ran a president with a history of rape and physical abuse of women. Doesn't seem like the dems do a good job of vetting.
Senators were supposed to represent their state's interests and the house was to represent the people's interests. Now the senate has become just a more expensive version of the house.
And that is a mischaracterization of his words.
He has not been tried and convicted of anything and is innocent until that happens.
The left will never respect any conservative's opinion on anything. That isn't an issue to me when supporting a conservative candidate.
The monument issue was very contentious and and still is. SCOTUS isn't finished dealing with it. Moore was willing to defy them and many people agree with him. The Lemon test is wrong. Until we can get a significant number of originalists on the court the shredding of the constitution by the left will continue. The control of the senate is critical. That is why 38 year old unproven allegations are being brought up after the deadline to change candidate.
That's true. Going after establishment reps must be done in a way that control of both houses is maintained. Pick off as many as can be done while still maintaining control.
So, one of the accusers is in tight with the Democrat Party, and Hillary Clinton eh? Nope, nothing unusual about that! LOL!!!
Face it lib50, your girls are a fraud, I hope they charge them, bring them to trial, find them guilty, and execute them as traitors to our country! You should hope the same because they make women look like lying, cheating hookers that can be bought for a cheap breakfast at Burger King.
"The illegal part was when he sexually molested a 14 year old"
Where is your proof? Were you there? Did you see it occur? Did he tell you what he did? Do you have pictures?
Remember the ol' adage - "Innocent until proven guilty" - Proven, get it?
OMG, an October 2016 article making allegations against Hillary Clinton. It MUST be a 'political hit piece' because the National Review 'sat on it' until it was too late to take Clinton off of the ballot!
BTW, /s.
Are you paying attention to all of the sexual harassment claims coming out in all areas of life? Have you paid attention to all the democrats that have fallen from grace because of sex scandals? Stop the damn whining. Moore is caught up in the whirlwind of outing sexual abusers. Old behaviors women used to put up with all the time. In the last month, a shift in consciousness over sexual harassment has occurred and women (and men) are DONE. What is is with this victim thing? Remember Gary Hart? John Edwards? Give me a fricken break on the sniveling over this asshole.
Oh, man, are you in for a disappointment. The asshole already admitted seeing 'nice girls' with parental permission. But feel free to defend and hide from reality. You didn't have a problem when Gary Hart when down. Or John Edwards. Or Anthony Weiner. Or Harvey Weinstien. and so on and on and on and on and on. We are done. Whether men like it or not.
LOL! Nope. Your fraud of a political party is in for the disappointment.
Hillary got her lying ass kicked by a dope. Yep, you’re done.
There's no "proof" of the sort you're demanding......just lots of corroborating and contemporaneous statements from 29 other people willing to go on the record. However I doubt anyone dumb enough to support Moore would be swayed by that.
That's the point.....there is no proof.
That was not what he said.
Keep telling yourself that maybe one day you'll believe it.
It was repeating info that was already public knowledge to all except Clintonistas.
Keep denying it and maybe it will go away.
If they don’t have any assets, then it’s not worth it. It would cost more to sue them than he could recover in the judgment. That’s why this kind of character assassination is effective, at lest among those who think it’s Ok to blindside somebody 40 years after the fact.
From the Hannity interview:
And I seem to remember her as a good girl or I seem to remember I had some sort of knowledge of her parents, her mother in particular.
HANNITY: At that time in your life...Let me ask you this you do remember these girls would it be unusual for you as a 32 year old guy to have dated a woman as young as 17? That would be a 15 year difference or a girl 18. Do you remember dating girls that young at that time?
MOORE: Not generally, no. If did, you know, I'm not going to dispute anything but I don't remember anything like that.
HANNITY: But you don't specifically remember having any girlfriend that was in her late teens even at that time?
MOORE: I don't remember that and I don't remember ever dating any girl without the permission of her mother. And I think in her statement she said that her mother actually encouraged her to go out with me.
And that is not an admission that he dated her. He is just repeating the girl's claim that her mother encouraged her to go out with him.
Defend him til the cows come home, I don't care. I know what you've said about other people, I know how you've cast blame and aspersions on them with no regard to proof. You ALL can sing it all you want, just don't think you are fooling anybody but yourselves. I'm sure any republican would be willing to let the old fart chaperone the high school dance. Who among us wouldn't want our teenage daughter dating someone over 30? (Is that better, Perrie?)
He's not on trial. The question is whether you believe a nut like Moore or the people the Post interviewed. It's clear that most RWNJs will believe Moore especially the ones who live in Alabama, but Moore has already lost key GOP support at the national level.
He's not on trial, there’s no standard for admissibility of evidence, no establishing the credibility of the witness, no standards of fairness. Nothing. It conflates child molestation of a 14 year old with actions of women at or above the age of consent for the obvious purpose of suggesting that if Moore would date a teen at or above the age of consent (which is legal) then he would date/molest one below the age of consent (which is illegal) as though one establishes the other. All of this is based on the accounts of women we know nothing about. The whole thing is set up to get the entirely biased reaction of — if you dislike Moore, then believe the allegation, and if you like Moore, then believe his denial. The story is no more useful than a tabloid article and fodder for fools.
It's effective because there are contemporaneous corroborating witnesses.
LOL. You obviously still haven't read the Post article since it makes it very clear that it was "legal" for a man in his mid 30s to date girls as young as 16. So there was no conflation whatsoever. But what it does do is show that Moore had a pattern of dating high school girls.....and Moore admitted as much in his interview with Hannity and even said that it was inappropriate.
The rumors of Moore's behavior with teenage girls were readily available for the Post to find. Why didn't the GOP vet its candidate before the primary, and why didn't the conservative local paper investigate long ago?
Just as is happening by the left to Moore. Now there are issues with the reporter paying for dirt on Moore.
If this were a long term pattern for Moore then there would be more than 38 year old charges that he denies. Controversial public figures can't keep their past hidden.
What secrets do you have?
No, I believe that would be you.
Dont try to walk it back now. We all see what you said
IS BECAUSE THERE WAS A GAG ORDER PLACED ON A WHISTLE BLOWER
They did their job well? After endorsing the democrat (as always), they then released a story after Republicans nominated Moore, leaving a key seat in the unusual position of going over to a democrat. They sought out the women, encouraged them to make charges, which are hard to prove at this point. Oh, that's right - you don't care about the rule of law, I almost forgot.
Unfortunately for the dems and their tools at the Post, their is a way out of this. The Governor of Alabama has the right to postpone an election. Under such circumstances, Luther Strange may be able to get his name on the ballot. If that is the case, we will all be waiting to see how long the 7 liberal media organizations continue to cover the Moore allegations.
As you have been very fond of saying, that happened a long time ago, under different standards, so why bring it up? If it happened today, things would be all different, but it didn't, it was in the past, so blah, blah, blah...
I'd say 40 years ago is pretty old stuff, as well.
NO it isn't because of a 'GAG ORDER PLACED ON A WHISTLE BLOWER'. The man that you claim is a whistle blower is actually a paid FBI informant and the gag order is actually a non-disclosure agreement. Just about every single freaking federal employee has such a non-disclosure agreement. Oh and BTW, ALL of Trump's employees and everyone in his campaign ALSO has a non-disclosure agreement. Cory Lewandowski admitted as much live on CNN after he was hired as a commentator. That ended his stint as a 'pundit'.
Yes, it makes the distinction between illegal and legal clear and then proceeds to conflate the two, as you just did, by suggesting that there’s something wrong with dating women at or above the age of consent. Your use of the word “pattern” and reference to his statement on Hannity underscores the linkage and males clear that the purpose of the article is to suggest that Moore is a self admitted child molestor by dating women above the age of consent, when legally, that’s not remotely the case.
Because, contrary to the suggestion in the article and in your response, teenage girls above the age of consent can date whomever they chose and men can date them without your or anybody else’s approval. That’s the point of reaching the age of consent. Moore can even marry them (with parental approval).
When Democrats have made a big deal out of asserting that two men should be able to date and marry each other without societal interference, I really don’t see how they can now suggest that they get to pass judgment on what others do who are over the age of consent.
Lol, because THIS is NOW. Women are coming forward NOW. It isn't something planned, this is the dam bursting with old stories of sexual harassment that have never been told publicly! Bill was already done and is not relevant here, as much as you want to focus on that shiny bauble, IT WAS ALL ADJUDICATED YEARS AGO AND WE MOVED ON TO WOMEN COMING FORWARD TODAY. By the way, those malleable young girls are preferred for a reason. Check this out. (written by one of their own)
No secret, I've been sexually harassed over my life and know what I know. Here is somebody who also knows what she knows, and it confirms the evangelical predilection to younger girls. Here is the secret you are looking for:
Yeah, fuck those stupid women in Bills past, these women making these allegations today are much more important than those who made any allegations against Bill!
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If we’re only concerned with NOW, then why are we talking about something that may or may not have happened 40 years ago?
Dennis Hastert hid his crimes against teen boys for decades.
And he did it with help. There is always people that know and remain quiet or they look the other way.
Sure they can......but it's great that Moore admitted that he was dating minors when he was in his mid 30s. No wonder Sen. Toomey said this: “You know, this is a terrible situation, nearly 40-year-old allegation, we'll probably never know for sure exactly what happened. But from my point of view, you know, I have to say, I think the accusations have more credibility than the denial. I think it would be best if Roy would just step aside.”
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That's been a typical tactic of right wingers over the past 70 years or so, to equate mixed-race marriage and same-sex marriage with an adult marrying a minor. I wonder if that's what bible-babble teaches the superstitious? After all the bible doesn't even mention the age of consent nor does it prohibit rape or sexual molestation......in fact it mandates that a rape victim marry her rapist. I wonder if that's how Roy planned top acquire a child bride?
His victims hid the crimes. Hastert was adjudicated. Moore hasn't been.
The Moore issue is the timing. A 38 year old incident is news just before an election when there isn't time to prove innocence or guilt but not in previous decades?
This is a new field of political blood sport that will be used against dems now. Make accusations at the last minute and change an election.
I am having trouble getting this article to load so I don't know how many I will be able to respond to Sandy. It seems that an article with a lot of responses times out on my computer.
It's good to hear from you again.
Grasping at straws if I ever saw it. His victims agreed not to report his crimes, because he paid them for their silence. And when his crimes came to light, he asked for money back.
You’re using the word “admission” as a synonym for confession. Since dating women above the age of consent is not illegal, he had nothing to “admit”.
It’s clear what you think just as it’s clear that WAPO reporters thought the same thing and wrote the article with that in mind. But then you and WAPO are Moore’s political opponents and he’d be pretty stupid to take your advice.
I’ve never equated mixed race marriage with same sex marriage because there’s no equivalence. One is based on a behavioral perversion while the other is not. The similarity between same sex marriage and this situation is that proponents of same sex marriage trumpet that two consenting people should be free to do whatever they like but now those same people think that two consenting heterosexual people aren’t free to do the same thing. As for the age of consent, the historical reason (from biblical times until today) was to “allow” a pregnant teenager to marry rather than face the stigma of being an unwed mother . . . not to “mandate” that rape victims marry the rapist.
Thanks for providing that quote
Which does not include a statement that I find touching between same sex people personally offensive. Winking back.
Will Strange run as an independent? Moore already won the GOP primary and he'll never withdraw.
Don't expect it to happen. I am going to the polls on Tuesday and cast my vote for Moore.
Actually the comparison in this case is that you've been using the exact same arguments against same-sex marriage which racist morons used against mixed-race marriage 50+ years ago. No wonder your ilk lost in court again.
You could use the exact same argument against marrying a chicken, which has absolutely nothing to do with racism, something your gender confused ilk can’t seem to understand. As for losing in court, that’s just a matter of replacing a few dried up liberal loons with conservative judges.
Sorry but I first heard of Bills penchant for ladies other than his wife before the first election, also some of the accusations, , and those from people from Arkansas that I was in the military with, so it was known before he was first elected predident, just ignored by his supporters.
Let's go through it again. Assume Strange runs as an Independent. It may be too late to put his name on the ballot, if so he would be dependent upon voters writing his name in. That would be an issue. A bigger issue would also be that the Republican vote would then be split and Doug Jones would probably win an election, that he was unlikely to win. If Strange dosent run as an Independent, the question becomes how damaged Moore is from these last minute allegations. The reason the Republicans are in this box is because of the timing of the allegations.
You see, it's not about the credibility of the women, it's about the timing and motivations of The Washington Post.
I'm not surprised.
I know, right? Why couldn't the Post just cover it up like the conservative local papers did? Why did they have to vet a Republican candidate if the GOP really doesn't give a crap about Moore's numerous ethics violations? If a bible-babbling theocrat is good enough for the GOP, why would they care that he had sexually molested kids?
LOL.......the racists also used the moronic "marrying animals" argument against mixed-race marriage.
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Good luck with that. What your ilk was missing both today and 50 years ago was any legitimate secular purpose to deny marriage based on the relative race or relative gender of the spouses. All you had was nutty bible-babble and unconstitutional animus. That's why you consistently lose these cases and it's why you lost the vast majority of rulings on marriage equality in state and federal courts.
Who gives a shit? The only one interjecting a mixed race marriage into the discussion is you. Mixed race marriage has nothing to do with a same sex marriage except to those who equate being black with a sexual perversion, a comparison I’ll leave to the racists.
Same sex marriage didn’t exist 50 years ago. Just like the world was tuned upside down with psycho-babble promoting gender confusion and with moronic comparisons to the civil rights movement, it can be turned rightside up again.
That's a rather odd claim given that SCOTUS cited Loving v Virginia as a direct precedent when it struck down the bans on same-sex marriage.
Moreover the racists made the exact same claim that mixed-race marriage was a "sexual perversion". I also like how one bible-babbling judge (and Southern Baptist just like Roy Moore) put it:
Don't ya know that the Right has a new montra? "Facts, we don't need no stinking facts, we have Kellyanne Conjobs, Alternative facts."
The precedent set for mixed race marriage also applies to same sex marriage. And what does "perversion" have to do with anything, including marriage? Is it a disqualifier for marriage?
What do you base that assertion on?
Sorry if you can't keep up with the world and progress.
That's 100% false. Hastert was convicted for financial crimes and lying to the FBI, not for sexually molesting and sexually assaulting minors.
Hastert was never charged for his sex crimes against minors since the statute of limitations had expired long ago.
Moreover the sister of one of Hastert's victims did try to alert the media to what Hastert had done but neither the AP or ABC could find the kind of corroborating witnesses which the WaPo found in Moore's case.
The financial crime was hush money to an accuser. That means he was adjudicated for trying to hide a sex crime. The underlying crime was exposed. So YES he was adjudicated because of a sex crime.
He has had his day in court. Moore hasn't.
Well, did you think Bill Clinton was a good President?
Being adjudicated because of a sex crime isn't the same as being adjudicated for a sex crime, or multiple sex crimes.
You’re either charged or you aren’t. If you aren’t charged and found guilty, then you’re presumed innocent. Period. Except in the court of public opinion where you can be accused and found guilty of abducting someone and taking them to Mars just because somebody said you did it.
Yeah, and Bill Clinton is still a rapist according to so many on the right....yet we can't seem to find that conviction?
And he will lose his ass! He does not want the shit dug up further. The same reason Trump hasn't followed through with his threats to sue the women that accused him...he would get convicted.
You mean the hypocritical left that held hearing after hearing after hearing and coming back with nothing...and then dropping it when the election was over? Those hypocritical left?
And the timing of the story? Not suspicious to you?
This does involve the GOP majority in the Senate. We all know that, right?
Even though Hastert wasn't charged or tried for his sex crimes he did admit them and sort of apologized to his victims......although it's hard to apologize to someone whose suicide you likely contributed to.
You mean why would the national press be seeking background info on Moore after he won the GOP primary for a federal office?
Seems like the GOP and the conservative local papers failed to vet their candidate. So did Steve Bannon.
I believe you may not be following along. We are discussing Dennis Hastert. ausmth claims he was adjudicated for the sex crimes he committed decades ago. He was not. He was adjudicated for the cover-up, but not for the crimes themselves, because of the statute of limitations.
Saying that he was adjudicated “because” of a sex crime not “for” a sex crime is odd phrasing but I get the meaning.
The point I was making is that Hastert had his day in court where all of his crimes were revealed Moore hasn't.
Moore's latest accuser is so very credible that Moore is done for. Short of a huge write in campaign or the governor postponing the election the seat will be dem.
Where was the vetting on Hillary Clinton?
I would imagine anything Clinton would draw vetting
It's not just odd phrasing. It's conflating being adjudicated for one crime with being adjudicated for multiple more serious ones. It's like saying you were adjudicated for armed robbery when you actually committed armed robbery, but got off on a technicality, and got a ticket for speeding in the getaway car instead.
I'm afraid that he's not. He still has die-hard supporters who would put a Republican in office, even if they believed the claims, rather than a Democrat with a clean background. Party over country, unfortunately, and even party over morality.
So you don't have the fortitude to admit that it is clearly suspicious.
Wev'e gone around this now enough times. The Washington Post IS an extension of the democratic party - nothing more.
Have a nice night
I don’t know about that because the people of Alabama can see it differently. I was reading this newest account and, to my recollection, she said Moore stopped her from getting out the car by reaching over and hitting the door lock. I was unclear how that stops anybody since you can just pull the latch up again.
Plus, she said that she was waiting on her boyfriend to pick her up but Moore offered her a ride home so she wouldn’t have to wait in the cold. To preemptively answer the question of what would your boyfriend do when he gets there and finds you gone, she said she was going to call him once she got home since they didn’t have cell phones at the time. But if there were no cell phones, how would she reach her boyfriend if he’s not home but on his way to pick her up?
All the women I’ve been with had absolutely no problem whatsoever keeping my hands from going where they didn’t want them to go. They could block my hands like they had telepathy and either end the groping or let me go all the way.
Anyway, according to her, she went back out front to wait for her boyfriend. So then what happened? She was all smiles after supposedly fighting off Moore? Did she tell her boyfriend what happened and, if she did, did he respond “OK, I’m glad he only felt your titties instead of raping you. What about some pizza?” Is this boyfriend still alive? What does he say?
I'm sure the little whore was just asking for a good fucking from him anyhow. I mean seriously.....who but a little horny cunt and tease would believe that an adult and DA would just be offering a ride home in their car. Stupid little bitch. How dare she try and ruin this man's career.
I have every faith that the good people of Alabama will continue to send their daughters his way.
It went like this? Did you conceal the fact that the Benghazi attack was a planned terrorist attack on the anniversary of 911. No. Did you set up a private email and server to avoid the FOIA and congressional inquiries? Nope. Did you try to rig the primary? Shakes head no. Play for pay scheme? No. Selling jobs in the state department? Of course not. Having sex with Huma? What? Ok, skip that. Having sex with Bill? No. Ok, she’s answered a lot of tough questions and I can’t think of anything further.
It’s really easy. Just to tell him to stop it or get the fuck out of the car.
He is. If a write in is put forward it splits the vote and the dem wins. If he stays in and the bleeding continues he is done. He will never get to the senate. He just doesn't know it yet.
The hardcore Moore fans will still support him. More moderate voters will not. His problem is that this is going to be a constant drag through the election.
There are no real alternatives short of the governor postponing the election.
Exactly! That's what I'm saying.
I sure wish these idiot girls had your words of wisdom. It's super easy to throw off a man who is twice your size and weight. I have no idea why she was whining and crying. She should feel lucky he picked her.
Any Republican running as a write-in may be toast in the local party. We’ll see.
True.
The local party knows it's voters so we will see if they turn on Roy.
Well, I know it's not the outcome you want, but I hope you're right. I still have my doubts, though.
I’m told by women on this site that a woman is competitive with a man in everything from throwing a baseball to MMA. Yet, in this incident, she is so physically weak that she can’t get out the passenger side door to avoid being groped and so emotionally weak that the incident has her in tears for 40 years. I don’t know how big she is relative to him but I do know that, no matter how big he is, I could have gotten out the door when I was 16 and I certainly wouldn’t have been distraught about it for decades (or even hours for that matter). My point is that women should really stop talking about how strong they are relative to men and then look for sympathy in cases like this because everybody is supposed to accept how helpless women are in a struggle with a man.
Still, my original questions stand. What did she tell her boyfriend when he picked her up and what does he remember now?
1ofMany - In all sincerity, I am telling you that you cannot apply yourself or your experiences to this situation. I know it sounds fairly easy to blame the victim but being someone myself who was assaulted it doesn't happen in a controlled setting or with clear heads. It is a shock and it leaves some victims frozen with their brains trying to catch up with what is going on.
There are a variety of reasons why a victim may not immediately tell someone. Shame, fear of the perpetrator, the violent boyfriend, simply not being believed, or as some have suggested here - deserving it.
These women could definitely being lying. I'm willing to wait to see what more is revealed but I'm ashamed to see so many jumping on the "blame the victim" bandwagon because of politics. The attitude that you and several other members, including women members, have towards these ladies is disappointing but not surprising.
I’m not blaming the victim. What im saying is that, if you’re a victim, then you can’t just sit on a story for 40 damn years and expect people to take it seriously when it’s sprung to cripple a candidate in an election.
I know that but either speak up sooner or don’t speak up at all.
If they didn’t make a case at the time and can’t prove what they’re saying, then I agree with mags. It’s just gossip. If someone popped out of the woodwork and blindsided your husband or son with an allegation 40 years after the fact, that would be ok with you?
If the accusations were against a family member my first reaction would probably be "no way" but I'd like to think that I'd be able to take a breath and stop and consider what the allegations were.
I appreciate your honesty and that you are okay with assault and possibly rape if the victim doesn't come forward at the time it occurred.
I think, like so many issues, you and I will have to disagree.
As I appreciate your honesty in saying that you would turn your son over to a lynch mob based on an accusation made 40 years after the fact by someone who’s veracity is unknown to you.
Well.....that's one way to look at it. I prefer to think of it as me doing the right thing. If my family member is hurting others and I knew about it then I should also be held accountable for that family member's actions.
Well I hope that somewhere in there your family members get the benefit of the doubt.
interesting.....So you want to give the accused the benefit of the doubt but NOT the accuser.
When you stop to look at the facts then you ARE giving the individual the benefit of the doubt.
You should try it.
Nobody should try it. It flips innocent until proven guilty to guilty until proven innocent. That was one of the unconscionable approaches to justice over which the revolutionary war was fought. You don’t want another war do you? Lol.
Nobody had to wait for Harvey Weinstein's accusations to be proven before he was dumped by and on by his entire industry as well as the rest of the country and I didn't hear any rightwingers objecting to that.....oh, wait. He's from Hollywood so they wouldn't be bothered by those niceties of law, would they (YOU!).
I'm quite sure that is not even allowed in AL. It's not even possible to remove Moore's name from the ballot.
Since when did your side object to how old an accusation is? Since never (until last year with Trump and now with Moore) is the answer to that. Your selectivity in whom should be held accountable for these acts and whom shouldn't is so patently partisan that I'm surprised you think you can get away with it. But that degree of hyperpartisanship must have total moral blindness as a feature.
It’s fine by me to apply the same standard to everybody.
So the timing of all the Clinton accusations in the 1992 campaign were not at all suspicious to you? This is how politics works now, Vicky. Your side has made it a first principle. You can't cry "unfair" when the shitstorm comes back at you.
Puh-lease. You just walked right into it and you don't want to give me my props.
We are looking at this from two different angles. I started the conversation by simply asking that we not discard the allegations simply because they are old and suggested we wait for facts while you steamrolled ahead and said without exception anyone making claims 40 years later shouldn't be considered or believed.
In no way did I suggest that the average citizen take the law into their own hands. Now you're twisting my words cause I out maneuvered you. (Pj rolls her eyes and smirks)
Those imaginary violations that she was cleared of after years of scrutiny? Those "violations"?
Why do you think you get to apply that standard only to your politicians?
Are you suggesting he sue these women? That's a typical empty Trumpian threat (before he then settles in a sealed secret arrangement with strict NDAs) and I doubt any decent lawyer would let a client like Moore do such a thing. It would mean Moore would have to take the stand and his repeated testimony that he never even met any of these girls get ripped to shreds against their specific testimonies of when and what Moore did. But, again, I'd pay money to be a spectator at that trial (that's never going to happen, unfortunately).
You know this would be a civil trial, right? The rules of evidence that would be needed in a criminal trial don't apply. He would have the burden of convincing a jury that these multiple women were all lying in order to have a chance of a favorable verdict. That's why this is just him bluffing and hoping the threat will intimidate these women and any others who are out there (and there are more to be sure). Didn't seem to work with the woman who came forward yesterday.
I know what you’re suggesting and I’m saying point blank that the allegations are too old to take seriously. There’s nothing to wait for. All you’ll ever have is her word against his, forty years after the fact. That’s not going to be good enough for me whether or not it’s good enough for you. But, in the court of opinion (as opposed to a court of law), people can be as arbitrary and unfair as they choose.
It was a metaphor. Stop bumping into the door and claiming that it was a graceful exit. The sound of your head hitting the door is annoying.
Whom are you referring to in the contemporary spate of cases of this type?
Funny - the sound of your ass hitting the screen door has a nice thwapping sound to it. I could listen to that ALL day long.
Maybe we could have a symphony and entertain each other.
Well, you didn't read what I had to say.
It maybe took two days for this man to be dumped on by an industry he spent his life cultivating. And, I have often said that these same people who accused are the same people who inwardly objected, but said nothing. Why? Because they were furthering their careers. Hypocrites......the lot of them.
By AL law the governor sets the date for the special election. She has the authority to delay and has already done that for the special after the previous governor resigned.
The issue is moot because she has stated she will not delay the election.
She’s not stupid. She’s playing to a very anti-establishment crowd and isn’t going to put her head on the block by helping the very people the crowd hates.
It's not relevant that we can't travel back in time to give you a do-over? Maybe if the universe defies itself and starts to contract then time will go backward and that will happen. Keep on hoping.
Well said!
No matter how often it smacks me in the face, I guess I'll never get used to how much immorality and depredation the rightwing will tolerate (if not elevate to the highest office in the country) in its midst while screaming about it in others.
Where is all of the leftwing "rage" of the MANY, MANY accusations of actors and actresses being assaulted and raped by other actors and directors. I don't remember you ever denouncing these idiots. Is it because they, like you, hate Trump, but don't know why, except he is not named Hillary?
It's interesting Bugsy - the Dems have been loosing at everything and can't understand why. Then, all of a sudden, the entertainment industry has a massive "rape" culture revelation and the Dems see how quickly the public/shareholders get/got rid of the proposed bad actors/actresses/studio execs, and the Dems say "hey, look - we can sling lies and dirt about sexual abuse 'cause nobody believes anything else we say - maybe this will work for us."
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I don't either. Go for it Atheist....show us your outrage!
Are you just coming out of a cave? The world is falling in on all those recently discovered Hollywood (et alia) scumbags and the liberal communities they live in are helping to bring it down. There is not a single liberal who's come out to defend Weinstein or Spacey or any celebrity who's had these accusations confirmed. Anthony Weiner just went to jail for his behavior (which didn't actually involve any physical contact with a 15 y.o. girl) and there's not a tear to be found from any liberals. Meanwhile, you lot are defending sicko, scumbag Moore and still attacking the dozens of women who've come forward to accuse Trump of the same things and who actually admitted to being a serial sexual attacker. We have his very own fucking words on tape and you still voted for the bag of shit. You don't have any moral ground to stand on here but then again you never, never, ever do.
Where is the proof of Moore? Let me guess..you believe this girl of something that happened decades ago, when she could have come out long before recent, and believe all of those mysterious women who came out against Trump right before the election, but somehow disappearing and never to be heard from again on November 8, but all of the women who accused Billy Bob Clinton were a part of the "vast right wing conspiracy".
It seems Senate Republicans are on the way to believing it.
No....Trump never did not say any such thing, if you listen to the tape again, he never said he attacked or harassed anyone. Same with Moore....allegations only....no arrests, no charges, no trials, no convictions....just empty unproveable allegations
It means nothing. Anyone in their right mind would demand a candidate step down if sexual assault allegations were true.
By right mind, I don't mean liberals.
It's the same as for Spacey, Weinstein and Trump--the accounts of the women or men who were victimized. If you accept them for one you accept them for all. You reject them for one you reject them for all. You don't get to pick and choose based on ideology, here, bub.
You must have put earplugs in your ears when you listened to that tape. You've made yourself deaf and blind to every sordid thing about him which is EVERYTHING about him. Can't you guys ever find a candidate to worship that his a slime ball?
When you got nothing, deflect. But hey, what about Melania Trump? How is she any better? She enables trumps "pussy grabbing", by your own argument.
What does Melania have to do anything, other than she is an attractive female? Something liberals are afraid of, and loathe.
Hillary was well known to be in charge of the "bimbo eruption", directing hers and Bill's staff to attack, belittle, demean and destroy anyone who dared come out against Bill's sexual assaults. Billary have not lived together for years, and Bill is rumored to have private offices for "conferences" in the Clinton library. Hillary knows all of this and to this day she is the true enabler.
Like always, chill, you lose every argument before you get yours off the ground. Sounds like old times on NV, huh?
WTF? You say this as you go on to accuse Hillary of things back in the 90's! You just can't get through a day without Bill and Hill, can you? I guess when you've got to deflect from the daily clusterfuck its hard to find an 'enemy' without dredging up old reliables. Do conservatives really have any standards at all for themselves?
We've tolerated the immoral and corrupt Clinton Crime Family and all the rest of the Dirty Democraps for 30 years.
Please don't go all self righteous and pure on us at this point.
So basically, the claim is made that a democrat flocking the tonsils of a willing adult woman is equivalent to a conservative xtian molesting a teenage girl.
Tolerated? You went after him and her with everything you could. And you invented everything you could about her. It's not our fault that the stupid attempt to remove him from office blew up in your faces and the one woman who sued him got bought off in the end. You need to pick your battles and your victims better. Face it. You got conned by your own side on him.
Exactly what are the crimes? Hell, tell us what the CHARGES are? We'll wait.
uess I'll never get used to how much immorality and depredation the rightwing will tolerate (if not elevate to the highest office in the country) in its midst while screaming about it in others.
On his way back from Lolita Island, Bill CLinton laughs and thanks you for your unquestioning devotion to him.
Funny coming from someone who supports the admitted sexual predator, including underage beauty contestant victims. You must never have heard that adage about people who live in glass houses.
You have zero idea what you are talking about.
I didn't vote for,trump. Did you vote for Clinton, because if you did, you really really need to take the glass houses adage to heart.
You have zero idea what you are talking about.
I didn't vote for,trump. Did you vote for Clinton, because if you did, you really really need to take the glass houses adage to heart.
You lot have made up for Clinton's sins many times over with the scumbags from your side that you've foisted on the country ever since, especially the current pathologically lying and admitted repeat sexual predator that's in the presidency now. Roy Moore is just another one of the sick shitbags who will win an election despite his crimes (and we know these sexual predators never have just one victim so get ready for the rest of them to come forward now that the silence has been broken).
This sounds alot like those women that claimed Trump sexually assaulted them decades before, and somehow all got Gloria Alred, the biggest ambulance chaser out there, to represent them. Right ater the election, these women seemingly ALL diappeared and nothing heard of them again
Probably got their paycheck and know that nobody wil remember their names or faces and went on with their lives.
My guess is the same thing is in play here. Try and put out BS right before an election, if Moore wins or loses, these women will simply slither away.
Corfman described her story consistently in six interviews with The Post. The Post confirmed that her mother attended a hearing at the courthouse in February 1979 through divorce records. Moore's office was down the hall from the courtroom.
If they just wanted to spite Roy Moore, they could have done so at any stage of his public career. The logistics make this story sound credible. Or do you think they made up a story, then went out searching for a random person on a random docket in a courtroom down the hall from his office nearly four decades ago, and paid them to lie to make the story look more credible?
Why? It was hometown stuff. Now, he wants to deal and wheel with corrupt Washington.
BTW, I didn't vote for him. Right is right and wrong is wrong and he is wronged!
Based on what knowledge you have or evidence you've seen? Can you name any "liberal" whose been alleged to have done these things that you think has been wronged. If so, who? If not, why not?
Yes, they could have spited him at any stage, but past elections were relatively local. Now, Roy Moore is a backer of President Trump and he is running in a national election with national implications, and by being so, you are open to all kinds of accusations where every liberal will believe, no matter what?
Justice is a bitch, eh? My advice is to stop backing scumbags if you can find a republican who isn't one.
Arguably, it’s just the opposite. Waiting 40 years to open her mouth until he runs for the Senate is suspicious. Anyway, she has no proof so it’s her word against his and she’s no more believable than he is. It really is unfair to force somebody to defend themselves (in the court of public opinion) against 40-year old accusations when he may not even remember ever meeting this girl. For all I know, he could have been in church (or somewhere else) on the day she said this happened with 20 witnesses, all of whom have either died or whose memories have dimmed over time. This is just a way to slander somebody. This goes for Roy Moore and Bill Clinton.
The proof is the contemporaneous statements she made to her friends and 10 years later to her mother.
She told two friends that she was “seeing” and older man. And her mother repeating what she said her daughter told her 10 years later doesn’t prove anything. Her daughter could just be a liar and/or or a loon.
Justice? This has nothing to do with justice. All this is is a bunch of whining little snowflake liberals who don't like Trump, don't know why except he is not Hillary, and by attempting to take down Morre, by default, they think they are taking down Trump.
Neither is going to happen.
First there's zero evidence this woman was politically motivated. She regularly votes Republican and there's no upside for her in this. By now, the death and other physical atrocity threats from right-wingers are raining down on her like a shitstorm. How do I know that? Because it's S.O.P. for the rightwing.
Or Roy Moore could be the liar....Ever think of that?
So she knew he was going to run for the senate 40 years ago? Sounds to me like she has been saying something about it for years, only when Moore jumped into the limelight did people listen to her.
That’s why we have courts . . . so you can prove it if you have proof. Her accusation is no more believable than his denial.
So why didn't she speak up when he was on the Court in Alabama?
That's a much more important position than being a Senator.
So you're saying all allegations of this type against men, no matter who they, are false because, what, women will always lie about this?
Nice to put words in my mouth. Why did these women come out decades later? Stories and the truth are ALWAYS sketchy when you had years and years to make your case. Truth of the matter. Roy Moore is a Trump backer, and by being so, he is now open to pretty much every vile liberal tactic, true or not, mostly not.
The rumors have been there for a long time, but perhaps you missed the fact that the women only came out publicly after repeated interview requests and that they weren't the ones who went to the press to offer their stories.
Nobody is saying those things except you.
What about all the many women who have accused Bill Clinton of sexual harassment and abuse?
He, and many other Democrats have lowered the bar of acceptable behavior over the years.
They have come out for decades. Trumps victims have been talking about his attacks for decades. So have Weinstein's and when did you dismiss their allegations? These men have ways either threatening and silencing the women they abuse. You don't get to decide who's believable on the basis of who's being accused. You either have to call all the women liars and let the perps off or believe them all and face the truth. It's what being a decent man means.
Well, according to the way your treating Moore's accusers you would have to conclude they were lying and politically motivated. That either has to be your position for all such accusations or none of them. Otherwise you're choosing on the basis of personal prejudice which makes your claims worthless.
"a defamation lawsuit brought by a woman who accused Mr. Trump of unwanted sexual advances is allowed to proceed in New York State Supreme Court, a legal ruling that could come before the end of the year. Lawyers in the suit sought a subpoena seeking all Trump campaign records related to his female accusers."
So no, they didn't disappear and have never recanted their accusations, most just can't sue due to the statute of limitations on sexual assault. This current case is still ongoing and is a defamation suit because Trump claimed she lied, so she's going to prove in court she didn't lie and Trump is actually the liar. Of course, Trump himself admitted to sexually assaulting women, but his supporters claim it was just "locker room talk" yet I've never heard that kind of thing in any locker room I've ever been in.
Fact, Trump has more women accusing him of sexual assault than Bill Clinton ever had. And if conservatives had a tape of Bill Clinton claiming he "grabbed women" by their genitals they'd be playing it every day on every right wing media outlet.
When did he say that? He said what some women would allow you to do, but never said he himself did any of it.
You go ahead and keep believing what you want. Liberals are pretty much down to nothing in terms of taking out (not in a literal sense), President Trump.
Its not locker room talk? Well, I have a clue for you. Women have locker room talks i.e. tennis ladies rooms!
We, actually, had an owner of a private tennis club I was a member of put recorders in our locker rooms to record our conversations. Who was sleeping with whose husband. Who was planning on sleeping with whose husband. Who did we find hot. How many had screwed the new tennis pro. We found out about it by a snitch who worked for the Club.
Women locker room talk. I can't even begin to tell you the crap that goes down between women of substance. While hubby is at work the little woman is not always planning dinner.
NY state courts have ALWAYS been known a liberal cesspools, so of course they would allow for a proceeding against the President to proceed.
Tell you what..If Trump is proven without a shadow of a doubt to have done what is claimed, I will be the first to call him out and cease my support.
If he is found not guilty, will you call out this woman as a liar and begin to back the President in how he wants to make this country even greater.
My guess is your answer is no because your hatred for Trump is so complete you have the inability to support this President, for anything.
Try again.
"I moved on her, actually. You know, she was down on Palm Beach. I moved on her, and I failed. I’ll admit it."
"I did try and f&$# her. She was married."
"No, no, Nancy. No, this was [unintelligible] — and I moved on her very heavily. In fact, I took her out furniture shopping.
She wanted to get some furniture. I said, “I’ll show you where they have some nice furniture.” I took her out furniture —
I moved on her like a b!tch. But I couldn’t get there. And she was married."
"Yeah, that’s her. With the gold. I better use some Tic Tacs just in case I start kissing her. You know, I’m automatically attracted to beautiful — I just start kissing them. It’s like a magnet. Just kiss. I don’t even wait. And when you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab ’em by the pu$$y. You can do anything."
I'm sure Harvey Weinstein thought the same way, that when you're a star, they "let you do it", but that isn't consent, it's never been consent, it's called sexual assault. Just because the woman doesn't slap you in the face and run doesn't mean it's consent, like trapping a rabbit in a corner and it freezes, it's not consenting to you picking it up even though it stops struggling. The women who have come out against Harvey have confirmed they felt trapped, their careers being held hostage, a powerful man holding their lives in his hands. That's all Trump was describing, the fact that being rich and powerful allowed him to take advantage of women who he knew wouldn't speak up about it because at the time they were all alone. 13 of them came forward and accused him of such, and to dismiss them all as frauds is disgusting and sexist in of itself. It's what they feared most, to be dismissed and disbelieved because a powerful man claims they're lying.
Speaking of Trump it seems that one aspect of the golden shower story has now been confirmed by Trump's bodyguard, the fact that there was an offer of 5 women to be used by Trump for his pleasure.
No, because I heard Donald's own words that condemned him and I would never support such gutter filth. I also believe America is already great and this President is only working to bring it down to the level of a mob syndicate for his friends much like Putin has done with Russia. He is a moron and proven liar and I don't believe a word he says. You may believe his rhetoric because he's promising low and middle income white Americans the world, but he hasn't delivered on any of it. No coal jobs coming back, no middle income wage growth, no wall, even the companies he's claimed he saved jobs at Carrier yet the jobs were lost anyway. The fact that his supporters don't see this yet is sad, he's going to treat you all like the contractors who built his failed casino where he took $39 million for consulting and then let the company go belly up. His accusers have far more credibility than this liar in chief has ever had.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/05/24/here-is-the-number-of-jobs-carrier-is-moving-to-mexico-after-trump-said-hed-save-them/?utm_term=.58b4000e4845
Nice rant. So....where in all of that transcript did Trump say he sexually assaulted someone. He said he made moves on women, one married, and failed before. Now, we know most liberal men would not make a move on a woman. They are scary to them.
He said he is attracted to beautiful women, again, something liberals are afraid of. He said he tries to kiss them, but has failed. Nowhere did he say he sexually assaulted them. He said what some women allow you to do, but he himself DID NOT SAY he has done any of it. Unwanted kissing is not a crime unless a woman, or man, for you liberal males, tells the accused NO, and the attempts remain or the accused forces themselves on you. Other than that, it is sexual harassment.
You libs really need to get over your blind hatred of the President. .
Okaaaayyyyyyy...where is the proof of a golden shower? Where did it say that Trump actually accepted the offer of five women. It just says the bodyguard left the room and does not know what happened the rest of the night. Is THAT your proof.
Marge, please don't lose your sanity so early in your time here at NT.
The above covers what Trump said he did.
This concerns Roy Moore.
There are a total of A total of thirty one states have set their age of consent at 16, the lowest age of consent in any state. In Alabama, a person 19 years old or older who subjects another person to sexual contact who is less than 16 years old, but more than 12 years old is charged with sexual abuse.
What it does confirm is that Trump was offered the services of a gaggle of Russian prostitutes on the very night mentioned in the dossier. Whether the golden shower event actually happened only Trump, Putin and the videotaped participants know.
No, he never admitted to sexually assaulting anyone in particular...listen to the tape again and quit making stuff up.
So you got nothing. Glad you finally admit it.
Oh, yea,BTW...Trump will be your President for at least the next 3, maybe 7 years.
Enjoy.
They won't really listen to it. They hate Trump so much, don't really know why, and that hatred has blinded them to the point that if a report of a decades old deceased person claimed Trump assaulted her yesterday, they would believe it and continue smear attacks.
Lol. Too many to remember their names.
What a laugh. You'll never believe any of the evidence no matter how damning it is. Don't pull that shit on us.
You want to sniff the mattress? C'non. You're not going to believe it even if there's documented videos of it. You won't even admit Trump said what he said that's ON TAPE about how easy it was for him to get away grabbing women by the pussy.
Like Trump himself told us.....he could murder someone in broad daylight on 5th Ave and they'd still love him. That these people somehow think they're morally superior to anything, even inanimate objects, is a testimony to the severity of their disorder.
That’s true. He said women let him do it, not that they resist and he does it anyway. If they let him do it, then it’s not assault. There are women who’ll let him and others (politicians, rock stars, movie stars, etc) do that and more. They’ll get in a famous man’s car, throw their underwear on stage, go up to a hotel room at the drop of a hat, and blow Bill under his desk. Trump knows it, the bimbos know it, and everybody else knows it.
Sexual assault is any type of sexual contact or behavior that occurs without the explicit consent of the recipient. Falling under the definition of sexual assault are sexual activities as forced sexual intercourse, forcible sodomy, child molestation, incest, fondling, and attempted rape.
Grabbing someone by the genitals is sexual assault. Kissing someone without their consent is sexual assault.
"Liberal" men have no problem with women, we respect them as equals because they are. We don't treat them like pieces of meat to be grabbed and fondled because we think we're "stars" and believe we can "do anything" to them. Respecting women is strength, treating them as Donald describes is weakness and filth. The fact you keep defending him and his disgusting words and disgusting behavior says a lot about the supposed moral conservatives of today.
13 women came forward to confirm his claims. But I'm sure you believe his word over theirs because he's soooo honest. It's sad you're defending such a vile piece of garbage like Trump. It will all come out very soon and you'll all go hide back in the misogynist holes so many sexists had hidden in for the last 30 years before Trump came out giving them cover.
They'd argue the person he murdered didn't resist so it's okay, they wanted it, they "let him do it"...
About the same number of women accused Clinton of all kinds of sexual abuse.
Are you saying their testimony is not credible?
So you have no intention of backing a President that will be proven that he has done nothing but beat the best candidate the democrats could bring against him.
I bet if he changed his name to Hillary, you would blindly back him 100 percent.
Of course they are, because god Billary can do nothing wrong.
You'd lose that bet, especially if he was doing what he is doing now.
So, was he lying when he told Billy Bush that he grabbed women by the pussy? Many women have corroborated exactly that or variations of that behavior from him for decades. His admission and corroboration is pretty good evidence. Face it: you're backing a low-life bag of scum. I can't help you.
Right "no one in particular" just multiple women whenever he got the chance. You've never listened to the tape, have you. All you do is come here and regurgitate what the rightwing scumosphere has told you to say.
17 hours later and no one even responded Mags....
I too have had the occasion to overhear ladies talk about the men around them (and some of the ladies even) when they think others are not in hearing distance.....
Some of it will make a man blush......
When did he say that? He said that women in the modeling and acting business will allow someone to do that to them, probably so they can get ahead, but he never stated he himself has done it.
If you are talking about the women who suddenly came out 2 weeks before the election, then why did they mysteriously disappeared the day after Trump won? If Trump had lost, the left would have lauded these women as heroes, even if the accusations were lies. Afterall, the liberal mantra is the end justifies the means. Hell, Harry Reid admitted to it after the 2012 election with Mitt Romney and accusing him, of course so he won't get into trouble, on the Senate floor, of not paying any taxes.
BTW, I don't need your help for anything. I have watched you flail over and over again with pretty much every subject on here. With that track record, why would anyone seek your help?
He said women “let” him grab them by the pussy. He didn’t admit to grabbing a woman who refused his advances. The media paraded women who said that he grabbed them and then stitched his statement to theirs to make it appear that he had admitted grabbing them (which he didn’t).
Omigod, don't accurately quote that scumbag's actual words because his toadies will just come back with "he never said that."
I'm in the funny position of feeling that I respect you more than you do yourself since it's hard for me to believe that you'd be so naive and gullible to have bought that weak-ass excuse from Trump.
At least they put sexual bad actors in jail (Anthony Weiner) and prepare a criminal case against them (NYPD v. Harvey Weinstein). You put yours in high political office.
Jeebus, is there no limit to how much you're willing to humiliate yourself with comments like that to defend his sexual predations?
Who is this "yours" you speak of. I bet you don't even know.
Skirting the CoC [ph]
Donald Trump and, Roy Moore.
How far will you go to pretend that you heard something that he didn’t say?
Failure must be your forte, as this projection is proof positive.
So....no confirmation of what went on, right?
Yes, he never said anything about actually grabbing them by the pussy!
Oh, hun, be patient, the legal system moves slowly, but its catching up with Trump.
Her lawsuit is based on a kiss? If I were in the jury and found that Trump did it, then I would award the plaintiff ONE DOLLAR for her pain and suffering.
That sounds like condoning sexual assault.
A kiss is trivial and the award should reflect it.
It isn't trivial when it's nonconsensual.
Odd that you're not offended by nonconsensual sexual touching, but you do seem to be offended by consensual sexual touching by people of the same sex, because "it's not normal". Same-sex attraction between consenting people is bad, but sexual assault is ok. Nice.
No doubt but non consensual touching hasn’t been proven.
Even odder is that you think there’s something wrong with dating between heterosexual people who are above the age of consent. Odder yet is that you call it assault.
Can you provide quotes of me saying so?
Can you provide the quote of me saying that I’m offended by same sex people touching each other?
So, you can't provide quotes, then?
You first.
I'll bet this actually improves Moore's election chances with the bible-babblers, especially with his fellow Southern Baptists.
It would only be a problem in the SBC if Moore had been sexually molesting boys.
He'll win in a landslide now. In defense of Roy, a girl 14 years old was considered an old maid in that neo-confederate sewer back then.
Wow, that's the worst insult to the South and Southern "men" not to mention damning Moore with the faintest of praise I've ever seen. Bravo.
Anthony Weiner thinks a 14 year old is a bit too old for him.
You've got to admit that the defense of Moore given by the bible-babbling state auditor was damning with faint praise, no? I especially liked the last bit: “There’s just nothing immoral or illegal here. Maybe just a little bit unusual.”
Yep, these liberal dirty tricks never seem to work out for them.
Roy Moore.
Considering the spelling prowess of some of those represented on this forum, having a Weiner obsession could be risky.
Roy Moore is defeated - we win
Roy Moore is elected - we win more later
Pretty obvious this story is a set up. Allegations after 40 years, withing a few days of the election?
Jesus, lol!
So that means you think Weinstein, Cosby, Clinton, and really all men who are accused of this must be the victims of a "set up" since there's always going to be some rationalization for why it's coming out now and not (fill in the blank). The day you people ever take a consistent moral position instead of defending every indecency on your side and attacking only those on the other......what am I thinking; that day will never come. Never mind.
Excuse me, provide some evidence other than 30 year old testimonial evidence and I'll be the first one to scram the guy.
But there is a tradition in this nation based upon long long held judicial philosophy.
Innocent until proven guilty.
I know, political ambitions don't worry about such.....
What happened to all those trump accusers that filed suit? didn't make it past discovery did they?
The hell you will. You won't accept anything as evidence in this case that you'd immediately and without question accept if it were someone you didn't like--Weinstein, e.g. Exactly the same kind of evidence has brought him down and more specific evidence is being collected in NYC with criminal charges likely to follow soon. Nothing's going to happen to Moore so relax. He'll still sail into the Senate because it's almost a requirement for office in AL to be a scumbag and criminal (see the most recent governor, senators (Sessions and Strange) and the atty general). Oh, by the way, dems who do this stuff get charged, convicted, sentenced and go to jail; see: Weiner, Anthony. Republicans will never do that to their own--ever.
Ooo, sorry for you....not true. The statute of limitations has expired for most of the women to file charges. But there's at least one active case that's still going forward:
I believe there's another one going under the name of Tiffany Doe as the plaintiff since it has to do with sexual abuse of a minor.
Lisa Murkowski and others are apparently urging Luther Strange to run a write-in campaign since Alabama doesn't allow ballot changes within 76 days of the election.
One thing about Luther.....there's no doubt whatsoever that he's got big "hands." Really big "hands." That will piss off Trump to no end.
Give me a break! That is really a stupid statement.
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Murkowski is a useless rino.
Murkowski is an idiot who deserves a primary opponent and kicked to the curb. Her write in wish is a vote for the dem.
Wapo did this after the primary and after the ballots couldn't be changed. They didn't do this when Moore was a candidate? They didn't do this when he was a judge? They only did it when control of the senate is in jeopardy for reps. That makes this a political hit piece.
Yeah, that conservative style of politics really sucks, don't it.
WAPO is conservative? Bezos is a conservative?
Like Trump, Moore isn't my first choice. This is using 30+ year old allegations for political purposes. Got to gain a senate seat by any means necessary.
If this were important to the left it would have been brought up when he was a judge or ran for the senate seat. It's important now because they have a chance to take a senate seat in a red state.
She lost her primary and won on a write in. The gimme gimmes in AK knew who brought home the bacon.
That's what it's all about and nobody seems to care about being innocent until proven guilty. Sen John McCain thinks Moore should step aside simply based on nothing more than allegations. Moore's democratic opponent thinks Moore should prove his innocence. Did we ever think we would see the day when "adults" would make such statements?
I can't tell if Moore is innocent or, guilty but, I can't tell about Menendez either, yet I have read posts about how he should step down and, how he must be guilty since he's being tried, from the Right on different sites. Sometimes the right thing must be done, whether Moore is guilty of this or, not he needs to do the right thing, if Menendez must step down then Moore must step down as well.
McCain should step aside because of political stupidity.
This is a targeted political hit. Menendez gets tried in court but Moore gets tried in the court of public opinion.
The leftist press sat on this until he won the nomination and after the time to put another on the ballot passed. Another political hit by the leftist Bezos.
Menendez was indicted and put on trial. Moore has so far only had unproven allegations made against him. Big difference.
Using your logic Bill Clinton never should have run for the nomination in 1992.
Reporting on open secrets is a "political hit"? LOL. Sounds more like the Post reporters are just doing their jobs well and you're whining about it.
The timing makes it a political hit. It took 30 years for WAPO to get the story? Now that is reporting!
If it was something that was so well known, why did the WAPO not report it over 30 years ago. They were in existence then, right? Admit it, Marge, this is a political hit looking to get rid of a popular Republican candidate with the low hopes of installing an unpopular, and probably going to lose, democratic candidate.
According to the liberal mantra, the end justifies the means. If you need help with that, ask Harry Reid for assistance. He knows all about it.
We'll admit it when you admit that for the last 30 years the Right has been doing a hit piece on Hillary Clinton, Bill Clinton and, Barack Obama.
There was no court case against Bill, he was never convicted of anything. Menendez is getting a mistrial, that makes all of this the same.
Not only was there a court case- it went all the to the SCOTUS.
Nobody asked Hillary to step aside based on allegations against her. In fact, if she had stepped aside every time somebody brought up an allegation about her, she would have sidestepped into the Potomac.
Nice deflection....but fail. Try again.
Moore wasn't running for the US Senate back then. Why would they cover rumors of sexual molestation in some Alabama backwater like Gadsden?
The real question is why the conservative local papers covered it up.......is that common to all conservative media? That would explain why sexual harassment was so common at Faux New, because they covered it up.
Funny that you think the national press wasn't going to investigate candidates for the US Senate.
Maybe you Republicans should vet your candidates better before you let another bible-babbling perv win a GOP primary?
Moore has been a national figure for over a decade. 38 year old allegations are only news now because the left sees a chance to take a senate seat.
Should allegations prevent someone from being a candidate? Should WAPO decide who represents a state?
Just more leftist dirty tricks. If this works it should be used on the dem running. Surely Jones had some fun with girls when he was a young man. Find someone to claim he raped her in his Buick.
If Moore is the predator the left claims then where are his recent victims? Predators don't stop. Weinstein and Spacey demonstrate that.
He's never run for a federal office which is why major newspapers are looking into his background.
Sounds like your ilk needs to vet your candidates better?
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That's up to the voters of Alabama. If they want a bible-babbling pervert representing them, they'll get what they deserve.
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Where were Dennis Hastert's more recent victims?
Just replacing one corrupt scumbag with another. In AL that pretty much describes the entire republican party.
Yep, as a practical matter there's no light between Strange & Moore on policy - they're both RWNJ extremists and dumb bigots. But the GOP doesn't want Moore because they know he's effing nuts.
Let me take a wild guess.
The same liberals who believe this think that Juanita Broadderick, Paula Jones and all the rest were paid for, gold digging tramps.
Without a doubt.
Don't know about Brodderick but Jones did get paid. She settled for $850k rather than let the case against Clinton go to the jury.
I think you've got that the other way around. The person paying out is the one who doesn't want to go to trial.
And then there's this...
“Take Joseph and Mary. Mary was a teenager and Joseph was an adult carpenter. They became parents of Jesus,” Alabama state auditor Jim Ziegler told the Washington Examiner on Thursday.
Wow, just freakin' wow!
I agree, neither side has clean hands here.....
This discussion has revealed to us once again that the rightwing has no moral compass, no decency, no honesty and absolutely no character. They're not even hesitant to blare it out for us. It's as if they're actually proud of being soulless hypocrites. They revel in it.
Actually all this discussion proves is that liberals will believe anything negative about conservatives, no proof required.
It also shows that Roy Moore and Denny Hastert are soul brothers.
his discussion has revealed to us once again
No, it's shown that defenders of Bill Clinton, who set the precedent that it's okay to have a President who sexually assaults women, are massive hypocrites.
It's amazing how willing Clinton worshipers are are to make fools of themselves by pretending to care about women being sexually assaulted. I mean, they just got done blindly championing the woman who spent 40 years slut shaming and trying to destroy the victims of her husband's assaults that she enabled.. I
This comment has revealed to us once again that the leftwing has no moral compass, no decency, no honesty and absolutely no character. They're not even hesitant to blare it out for us. It's as if they're actually proud of being soulless hypocrites. They revel in it.
There, fixed it for ya....
At least it reveals the same thing from both sides.
Anyone wonder why there is a statute of limitations? cause NONE of what is alleged can be proven. Everything is anecdotal hearsay.
But then most liberals ply their political trade on hearsay.
Especially when it is advantageous in trashing an opposition candidate.
True, but that's merely for criminal liability. What the voting public chooses to do about an open secret in Gadsden is their own choice but at least now that secret has been exposed.
If it was such an open secret, how did he make it through the primaries. Afterall, as you say, the public will make their choice with everything that is known.
Then I take it your admitting that it isn't about facts......
Thank you for that.
As Mitt Romney said about Moore, "Innocent until proven guilty is for criminal convictions, not elections."
However I think that's a great standard the rest of the GOP has......"There's no problem because Mary was a teenager when Joseph diddled her, and it was past the statute of limitations anyway."
Mitt Romney has more dollars than sense. Moore is being accused of a crime and, like everybody else, should get a presumption of innocence.
Maybe you folks should vet your candidates better?
That’s funny. You guys nominated a notorious liar, who was being investigated by the FBI and who was exposed trying to rig an election.
Are you referring to the woman who doesn't even have a parking ticket to her name?
I can see how you must be frustrated that none of the GOP's bogus claims about her ever stuck.......too bad you can't put in a similar degree of effort to vet your own candidates. I guess that's how you always end up with completely unqualified candidates like Trump and Moore, neither of whom the smarter members of your party wanted.
She doesn’t have a parking ticket because she can’t drive. And she is a notorious liar, dating back to watergate.and continuing from one scandal after another up to rigging the primary. She even lied about the origin of her own name. But democrats love her because birds of a feather flock together.
You seem surprised that politicians lie sometimes.......that's a rather odd admission for a Trump voter.
It's also curious that you claim she "rigged the primary". I'm not sure how anyone could do that since each county in the nation runs it own elections, but be sure to communicate your concerns to the proper authorities.
Bummer though that all your ilk was able to accomplish in 38 years of slandering the Clintons were a few loony investigations run by complete nut jobs like Ken Starr and Trey Gowdy.
Anybody can lie sometimes but she lies constantly. It’s not surprising that she lies but rather that Democrats think that’ it’s acceptable.
Ask Elizabeth Warren.
Sure she does. LOL. An amusing complaint from someone who voted for a pathological liar.
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Maybe you and Liz can file a joint complaint. After all it's a crime to "rig" an election. You should contact the DA in your county immediately and give then whatever "facts" you have!
What's not illegal is internal party politics, or even for the party leadership to show preference to one candidate over another. In fact you'd have to be quite naive not to expect the DNC to support the establishment candidate, just like how the RNC leadership initially opposed Trump's candidacy.
Funny how they make this claim that she rigged an election when all she had was a deal that during the general election, she would have control. Funny that they never mention that Bernie had the same deal.
It was only rigged in the bernhearts and the rightwing mind.
Exactly right.
Interesting that while Bernie signed the same deal he chose not to cough up any money to activate that option. He must have known even then that he simply didn't have the votes to win the nomination.
Neither deal would have kicked in until after the primary. Bernie just drug it out longer than necessary.
Even more amusing is the fact that you can make that comment without knowing who I voted for.
That’s the democrat way . . . lying is ok.
Lying and cheating is acceptable only to scoundrels which explains why democrats could nominate an actual scoundrel for president.
What's funny is that though liberals don't realize it, they are actually admitting Trump was right. He was against Moore from the start. I'm glad to see liberals on the same page as the President.
Another xtian conservative caught with his pants down. Shocking.
Since Judge Roy is denying everything now, he'll hang in there for awhile until he has to make his obligatory Jesus forgives him speech with the wife by his side, Roy being such a devout xtian conservative leader. I imagine Mrs. Moore can't be very thrilled with these revelations though. Her being a lot younger than Roy and all.
Caught with his pants down?
Do you have some sort of actual evidence or facts to prove your claim?
Anthony Weiner is a conservative Christian? Wow, I bet if Huma and Hillary knew that, he would have been thrown under the bus long, long ago.
How does this sound for a new Gadsden flag?
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This one works too:
Well, it's stupid, but, meh...
Where are the decent people? Why is it that the women are NEVER believed............
While I'd argue the merits of that statement, I'd rather just comment on this case... Timing is everything in these allegations. How are you going to sit on something for 40 fucking years, and then, come out of the closet after all that time, in the days just before the special election? It reeks of political hackery, and it is why I, and most everyone else, do not believe the woman.
This is what Republicans are made of:
Bibb County Republican Chairman Jerry Pow told the Toronto Star's Daniel Dale that he would vote for Moore, the GOP candidate in the Alabama Senate race, regardless of the allegations rather than vote for Democratic candidate Doug Jones, in an exchange that Dale posted on Twitter.
How do you guys live with yourselves?
How do all the millions of people who voted for Hillary live with themselves due to allegations she threatened women Bill had beaten and raped?
See how the key word is allegations?
Jerry Pow said he would vote for Moore even if the allegations that he molested a child were true. Is that how you feel too?
We might ask you the same question, since you guys seem eager to convict someone without any verifiable evidence, let alone a trial and conviction. Kinda reminds one of allegations of collusion with Putin and obstructing justice.
I never said anything about convicting anyone. I just said that the allegations and the supporting background facts that corroborate them don't sound unreasonable, and I am inclined to believe them.
Inclined to believe them.... against any Republican.
Against Moore yes, most of the Republicans in Congress have come forward and, said that IF THIS IS TRUE, he should step out of the race. I say whether it is true or, not, it is damaging to his possible standing as a member of Congress.
IF is a funny word. IF monkeys had wings, IF everyone won the lottery, IF the Democrats could try to win on the issues...
And yes, unproven allegations do hurt the reputations of people. Just ask the guys accused of crimes they didn't commit and get released from DNA evidence.
These people who are being accused are convicted and sentenced by public opinion. It is wrong! People are losing their jobs, their families and reputations without even being given an opportunity to defend themselves, except, to say, I am not guilty.
It is wrong!
There are NO supporting background FACTS anywhere in sight!
There are if you know how to read. Maybe you're just out of luck.
So tell us what those supporting FACTS are
So tell us what those supporting FACTS are
I would say just ask the 2006 Duke Lacrosse team about that. Remember, they were accused of rape, then it turned out it was a lie. But, the truth only came out AFTER they were kicked off the team and had their lives ruined.
Political hit job, plain and simple. The same thing that happened to Herman Cain.
I have to wonder how they can live with themselves.
Oh wait...they're soulless, depraved, corrupt liberals, that would explain it.
Where else would you get a story about someone running for office in a state, except IN the state they are running? No one was looking for any dirt and, yet the dirt happened, isn't it possible that someone knew these girls and, knew the story? Well, of course it is, except in RWNJ world, unless of course it is a "Librul" they want dirt on. Get over it.
The very fact that he has been a high ranking judge and nothing came out is pretty telling to me. So, it is only now that it matters!
Exactly, especially when he is going to be making decisions on who will sit on the Supreme Court or, might have to decide on an impeachment, it makes all the difference. I have no idea what was done while he was judge about this and, I don't want to speculate on it but, from what I've heard and, seen, it isn't going to make much of a difference in the state election anyway, the Rednecks will vote him in as a pat on the back and, say he's a "good ole boy" because of it.
He is a good man!
No.
You do not just randomly know 4 women who just happened to be molested by the same man, and none of the women know each other, but they all know you. It's obvious bullshit, and the wapo should be criminally investigated.
A good man who TWICE was removed from the Alabama Supreme Court? You sure have a strange definition of "good."
Let's see... Jessica Drake, Jessica Leeds, Kristin Anderson, Jill Harth, Temple Taggart, Karena Virginia, Ivana Trump, etc... Ring a bell?
nope.
I'm shocked that the Post would be covering a Senate campaign! Even worse that they found a total of 30 people who corroborate the allegations.
"It was early 1979 and Moore — now the Republican nominee in Alabama for a U.S. Senate seat — was a 32-year-old assistant district attorney."
I always find these stories to be a bit odd.
Someone runs as a republican in an election, and 38 friggin years later......Someone FINALLY comes out to make a claim ?
The "Gloria Allred" syndrome all over again.
By the way, whatever happened to those women that made claims against Herman Cain and Justice Thomas anyway ?
Are they living lavish lives now ?
I love how Steve Bannon's defense of Moore was to whine about the Washington Post having good reporters......because the Post also was the one which uncovered the tapes of Trump bragging about sexually assaulting women. In the GOP's view accurate reporting is the real enemy.
He bragged that tarts “let” him do it. Anybody can do it if they have money, fame, or power.
"I moved on her like a bitch."
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The best part is that Bannon is whining about the Post's very accurate reporting......which they backed up with video of Trump saying exactly what they reported he said.
That seems to be the biggest complaint Trump has with the press.......the fact that they accurately report what he actually said and they do so with the full context. They're intentionally using his own words against him!
Now Moore has allegations of sexual misconduct.
He has been REMOVED FROM THE ALABAMA SUPREME COURT TWICE.
WTH people. You think this guy should be a U.S. Senator?
What was he removed for? It wasn't sexual misconduct.
Why should a serial sex abuser like Bill Clinton have been the US President?
No, it was his unconstitutional decisions in court, it was his unconstitutional conduct out of court as well.
No need to get butt hurt because Bill was judged under the standards of the 90's. You ended up with impeachment votes. What is happening now is being judged by today's standards, which changed radically over the last month (but it has been simmering under the surface for a very long time). Now this guy and all the rest (including Trump sooner or later) will be coming under a different microscope, far less forgiving. Tough for all of them, their reign has ended.
I believe it had to do with removing the Ten Commandments plaque from the courthouse. He defied federal government directives. Twice!
The Ten Commandments and not following federal guidelines on gay marriage. Those were the two reasons.
My comment said allegations against Moore.
He was removed from the Alabama Supreme Court Twice. That is a fact and has nothing to do with Clinton or anyone else.
Hillary Clinton was running for president just last year. If there are higher standards now they should've applied to a woman who not only stood by but helped cover up sexual assaults by her husband.
It seems that not even the court system in effing Alabama wants a mullah as chief justice.
The good news for Moore is that when he loses his race for the Senate he can just go back to being the chief mullah at his "Foundation for Christian Sharia Law."
Even better....he'll once again be able to host meetings of the white supremacist "League of the South" without it appearing unseemly, and can even coach up and coming racists like Dylann Roof.
Kind of like how black supremacists like Eric Holder inspires cop killers like Micah Johnson?
I stated why he removed......an issue on the Ten Commandments plaque and not following directives for same sex marriage.
Nothing to do with sex anything.
The women need to be taken to court and prove that this happened. One cannot go blatantly ruining reputations at a whim. You got proof.....show it.
Hate to tell ya, but it's just begun.
Yup. He has proven twice that he thinks he is above the law.
He is not fit to hold public office.
He's the perfect Republican role model......a greedy and creepy elderly theocrat who likes to grab 'em by the pussy when they're really young.
It would be an entirely different thing entirely if Moore was attracted to men. He likely wouldn't get any Republican votes much less any votes from bible-babblers or T-baggers.
he certainly has all the right bullet points on his resume to be elected as the family values candidate. dominionist, pedophile, conservative.
Oops....it looks like the campaign money to Moore is drying up......and just when Jones catches up to Moore in the polls.....
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And that is EXACTLY why the media and the people behind the scenes made up this probably far fetched story!
Bummer that your party doesn't know how to vet its candidates. Maybe you need to talk to Der Fuhrer to learn how to do "extreme vetting"?
Now, how many Democratic bigwigs in various states have been arrested? How about that one powerful California anti-gun Senator whom was arrested for gun running? You know Leland Yee? Shouldn't your party do some better vetting of their candidates and actual members of the legislatures and Congress?
There's no doubt that there are flawed candidates in all parties. But the GOP in particular seems tone-deaf on the issue of sexual harassment and sexual assault. As the WaPo report noted this was an open secret in Gadsden for DECADES and once they heard the rumors they were able to find 30 people to talk on the record. The GOP or a conservative paper should have done that vetting before helping Moore win the GOP primary, but they didn't. I suspect that's because conservatives in general share the same patriarchal, misogynistic, homophobic, racist and Islamophobic views as Moore.....so GOP strategists like Bannon thought he was the perfect candidate.
Roy Moore has now admitted that he knew some of the girls......and he's also said the following:
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LOL. So it's OK to fondle minors as long as you have the mother's permission?
It's really depressing when women can't rely on their own sex to stick together and support one another.
I'm also tired of hearing about the Clintons every time someone doesn't want to address the current issue being discussed. The argument "the clinton's did it and worse" doesn't give other abusers a free pass.
Ultimately, the decision whether this man will represent Alabama will be up to the voter's of Alabama. We should all be at minimum interested in hearing the facts and where those facts lead rather than trashing the women and dismissing the allegations.
This country is losing it's decency. I've read a number of comments posted on this thread by both genders and it's pretty sad.
Why should women rely on their own sex to stick together and support one another? Do you feel men should do the same?
Men already stick together.
Women tend to trash each other and always think the worst of other women. We are jealous and emotional creatures.
Do you really think that women should support other women simply because we are women?
No, mam! As I travelled around the world with my husband, I have seen too many women using their sex as a means to engage a man whether he was married or not. I have seen just as many men come on to women whether she was married or not.
Rape is a thing all together different.
If you are out there playing the game expect the consequences.
Victim-blaming?
What I think is that as women most of us have experienced being placed in an uncomfortable situation by the other sex. We should know and understand that it could and probably has happened to other women.
Your statement says it all. You condemn all women because some chic hit on your man so all women are whores using their sex to get their way (except you of course) and they get what they deserve.
Yes, I do think women should at least stop and listen and not judge until we know more. We should be each others first line of defense not cheerleaders for the other side.
You have your opinion about how to treat sisters and I have my opinion.
I met my husband in high school. So, don't get personal about my using anything sexually.
I don't condemn women, but I don't support other women because they are women.
Who is being a cheerleader for the other side? I am a cheerleader for the side is right.
Surely, you have read my post where I was sexually assaulted, but I reported it. I took care of myself. Not 30 years later, but a day later. A band didn't play, the masses didn't support me, but I had my husband behind me and that is all I needed.
I had one precious sister.
There is one thing we don't have in common. I support the one who IMO is right rather male or female. And, many a time a male has been wronged as well as a female being wronged.
Get a life!
I have no idea what you are referring to about me getting personal with you regarding you using sexuality. Go back and read my comment because that's NOT was I said. I'm actually confused about your comment.
On a positive note - It takes love and commitment and devotion to make a marriage work and you and your husband have that so I'm happy for you.
It's clear you didn't understand what I was saying and I'm not interested in saying it over and over again. We'll just have to agree to disagree.
I think that's very true and it can happen even when it's unintentional on the part of the man.
But what Moore was doing by dating teenagers when he was in his mid 30s was just creepy, even to the point where he was lurking around shopping malls to find teenage girls. And unless he's gay or a pedophile what guy in 1979 Alabama reaches the age of 32 as a bachelor.....must less the age of 38 when he finally married a woman 14 years younger?
Damn near all of them would is they could. Lol
Damn near all of them would if they could. Lol
Would you say he is a pedophile?
So there are four females. How old were the other three at the time he is accused of dating them?
You should read the WaPo story . The other girls were 16, 17 and 18.
A victim of age 14 would make Moore a hebephile rather than a pedophile, but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and say that he's just a rather creepy ephebophile (15-19). Of course there probably are more victims out there and they could be even younger.
Those are all at or above the age of consent so they can date whomever they want. If two men can date each other to the applause of democrats, then this shouldn’t even raise an eyebrow.
I thought pedophiles can't be cured and leave a succession of victims over long time periods. And yet we have only this one allegation over a period of almost four decades. Nothing before, and nothing since, as far as we know. Just now, just before an election that is very important to the liberals. It's all just too convenient and tidy and stinks highly of political dirty tricks. The common sense good people, the informed and fair minded voters that care about justice, won't be buying it. Moore will win comfortably.
You've been at this for hours, perhaps you should get some sleep. Because you're not making much sense.
Never fear, Moore assured Hannity that more allegations will come up...
That's true, and Moore admitted on Hannity that he had been dating teenagers when he was 32 and older. While it's not illegal, it will be an issue for some voters. In fact Moore's GOP primary opponent had touched on these issues in an ad questioning why Judge Moore had been so lenient on a pedophile who had raped and sodomized a young child at a daycare center.
What does dating a woman above the age of consent have to do with being a pedophile?
A Profile of the Child Molester
During my two decades of work as an investigative reporter, I interviewed hundreds of convicted child molesters in prisons across America. My objective was to uncover how they had lured children and teens into abuse and worse. My intention was also to generate a criminal profile that could be shared with parents and law enforcement. Instead, I found child molesters and abductors to be a diverse group that possesses no tidy criminal profile and does not discriminate by race, gender, class or age.
How many victims does a child molester average?
Interviews guaranteeing complete confidentiality and immunity from prosecution, conducted by Emory University psychiatrist Dr. Gene Abel*, uncovered that:
I'll take ole Harry Reid's words for it.
Average of 52, not up to 52, but average of 52. Moore has been running for many offices, kicked out of office. There were plenty of opportunities long before this time to go after Moore, but it never happened until the Washington Post went after him. After all they support the other guy. They even had an illegal campaign event for Hillary Clinton, but nothing came of it. If these journalists can say whatever or even pay people to make up stories.
Yea, that's a good one. The reporters are paying that girl to say what they want her to say. Now what is the first thing that comes to your mind? Is it they have to prove they aren't paying her or didn't pay her or does the sane and just idea come to your mind I have to prove they are or did?
This is about as crazy as it gets. Well, this country is getting so crazy, that is probably an obsolete statement before the print settles on the pages. Oh, by the way Congress just passed a order or whatever and now they have to have sexual harassment classes because some of those in Congress are sexually harassing each other and their aids. Do they have to prove they are innocent or do I have to prove them guilty?
But the funny thing is all those people we've elected have to go to sexual harassment classes. Now isn't that something, Congress has to take sexual harassment classes. What in the world are we coming to?
Well, well, well....
It appears that the stories of Moore's accusers are starting to fall apart, as we all knew they would.
Stay tuned to your usual news outlet and be educated as the weekend progresses.
And, way off topic, it appears Sulu, of TOS fame, has been been accused of molestation. I thought gays can never be sexual abusers.
Even though I live in the great State of Alabama there were a lot of things I didn't know about Roy Moore. So, I went online and read his bio. Really interesting in that one of the things he did was live in Australia for awhile. My problem with Judge Moore stemmed from his relationship with Gov Bentley who I considered to be a governor who cared nothing about the people in our State. And, of course, the governor resigned.
More people than not have things that happened early in their lives that they are not proud of. These same people go on with their lives and have families. Innocent wives and children. To come back 40 years later with an accusation such as this woman has done serves what purpose? She could have confronted him privately, but no as she chooses to come out with this when he is running in the senatorial race. Why not when he was running for Judge? I can only imagine what his children are going through.
There, probably, is some truth to this and if there is, I would never blame a 14 year old for the choice she made. She got in over her head in a lot of other choices she made in her life, but that's not my business.
My opinion is....wait and see!
Mags, she was a CHILD, back in the day when this wasn't even talked about! I never confronted anybody and why would anybody expect a child know what to do and have the balls? This guy puts himself out as a man of morals for godssake. He's already admitted his interest in 'nice girls/ladies' (with permission of course!). The reason more women/men are coming forward with old abuse claims (across the country) is that there has been a huge shift over the last month and the floodgates have opened. Women are feeling empowered to let out what happened in the past because suddenly we are DONE protecting the old farts. Its been under the surface for a long time, I expected it to come out earlier, but this is not going back in the bottle and what was 'acceptable' in the past is not anymore. It has nothing to do with politics either, this goes across the spectrum.
Those are your thoughts.
Seems like the party should either not abandon him, or he should withdraw so they can get started on the write-in campaign.
If I were innocent, I’d do just like he’s doing and say either join me or get the hell out of the way.
So would I. There is no way in hell that I would drop out if I was innocent. These politicians making this suggestion make me want to puke. I would defy anyone to lie about me and think they will win.
And they’re plenty more people that feel the same way. I can see Moore’s speech now . . . “I’m not like the spineless establishment weasels who collapse like a cheap umbrella in a gentle wind. No wind will fold me up and nobody can run me off. I’ll fight for God, my country, and Alabama as long as I draw breath. Join me or get the hell out of my way because I’m coming through.” He may not be right about everything but it’s refreshing to see a man act like a man for a change.
You are right. And, McCain, is getting on my last nerve. He is not so pure and sparkling clean. There was a lot of controversy about he and his second wife. How easily they forget. So many more!
Sometimes the old RINO has something good to say but, you’re right, he’s hardly a paragon of virtue and he’s made his share of mistakes.
haven't they all and every human being on the face of this earth?
Who are you claiming paid the Russians to fabricate lies? Link please.
As of this morning, it looks like AL Republicans are supporting him.
They may be supporting him but, it's the Republicans in Congress that matter here, if McConnell refuses to let him have his seat.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/republicans-try-to-block-moore’s-path-as-candidate-denies-sexual-misconduct/ar-BBEQbII?ocid=spartandhp
I think that option has already been addressed by the Supreme Court. If he’s qualified under the constitution to serve (and he is), then they cannot refuse to let him take his seat.
Lol, because THIS is NOW. Women are coming forward NOW. It isn't something planned, this is the dam bursting with old stories of sexual harassment that have never been told publicly! Bill was already done and is not relevant here, as much as you want to focus on that shiny bauble, IT WAS ALL ADJUDICATED YEARS AGO AND WE MOVED ON TO WOMEN COMING FORWARD TODAY. By the way, those malleable young girls are preferred for a reason. Check this out. (written by one of their own)
I thought all the goober states had statutory rape laws. I guess they don't apply if the perp is white. Roy broke the law when he asked a 14 year old girl out on a date. It's clearly apparent that there is some ignorance here about how the LE community in the deep south operates.
No crime was ever reported and there’s no proof that any crime was ever committed. She can’t just say nothing and then wonder why nothing happened. She chose to stay silent. That was her choice at ages 14, 15, 16, 17 . . . 21 . . . 40 . . . 52.
The plot thickens:
New accuser claims sexual assault by Moore in 1970s
When it rains it pours.
Notice how none of these women are hiding in anonymity like the one who's now claiming to have been paid to say she was a victim? And I have no doubt they're now the targets of threats of all kinds of violent, unspeakable acts and, of course, death from the god-fearin', bathed-in-the-blood, holy rollin' crackpots that make up Moore's base.
Yep, they're all on the record except the bogus one.