Roy Moore and his defenders have questioned the timing of a Washington Post story that includes the first-hand account of a woman who said that Moore, now 70, initiated an intimate sexual encounter with her when he was 32 years old and she was 14. “To think grown women would wait 40 years before a general election to bring charges is unbelievable,” he said on Saturday, two days after the newspaper reported its interview with Leigh Corfman, the alleged victim, as well as three other women who said Moore “pursued” them when they were between 16 and 18. Dinesh D’Souza tweeted a similar message with a baseless accusation for good measure earlier in the day.
As Allahpundit notes at HotAir, this is Moore’s emerging “best defense.” The principal himself and some of his most prominent backers are using it, and it’s a can of Conspiracy Lite compared to the unfounded rumor being spread by Alex Jones that “a reporter was taped while reportedly offering a woman $1,000 to accuse Senate candidate Roy Moore of sexual improprieties.” (The "reportedly" here is traced to a Twitter user. Jones's site demurely adds that the person’s statement is "yet to be verified.")
The problem with the “timing” argument—aside from the fact that it’s both speculative and non-falsifiable—is that it doesn’t hold up to any sort of scrutiny. Roy Moore said that it’s taken four decades for Corfman to state her case to the press on the record. There are three counterpoints:
First, Moore was not a figure of national consequence until the last few months, when it appeared he could win the Republican nomination for a Senate seat in Alabama. This is different than being a subject of national interest —Moore’s judicial antics have been media fodder for years, but state-level novelties with no obvious aspirations or prospects for national office do not receive a thorough vetting from the Washington Post or similar publications. A major-party nominee for Senate is more likely to. One who is a veritable shoo-in for a special election, when newspapers’ campaign coverage is not stretched countrywide, is more likely still. This is not to dismiss the quality of local coverage in Alabama; it is to recognize the outsize attention given to this race, and how a rush of journalistic resources could unearth news of this kind.
Related to this is the second counterpoint: Although the Post reported its story in recent days, accounts of Moore’s behavior have traveled by word of mouth for years. A deputy district attorney who worked with him told CNN “it was common knowledge that Roy dated high school girls, [and] everyone we knew thought it was weird.” The Intercept quoted one Alabama political consultant on the record who said the rumblings have existed for “a while,” and two others on background who claimed Moore’s vanquished primary foe, sitting Sen. Luther Strange, was aware of the charges broadly. The only new development is the specificity of the charges. And this specificity exists only because the Post’s investigative unit pursued the leads and recorded details from primary sources through the persistence of multiple interviews.
The third counterpoint: As more public figures have come forward to accuse powerful men of sexual misconduct, our culture has received an unpleasant education in the considerations victims must weigh before going public. Their careful thinking—which can manifest as reluctance over the course of 40 years—is justified by evidence. To wit: an Alabama state representative suggested Corfman may be guilty of some criminal offense for “lying and interfering with a political process.” D’Souza implied she was a liar. Jack Posobiec, one of the leading lights of professionalizing political filth, shared identifying information about Corfman to his 225,000 Twitter followers Friday, as the Daily Beast reported .
These responses demonstrate precisely why a woman in Corfman’s position might choose to remain silent for so long.
And, as the Post wrote, neither Corfman nor the three other women they interviewed approached the paper for the article. “While reporting a story in Alabama about supporters of Moore’s Senate campaign, a Post reporter heard that Moore allegedly had sought relationships with teenage girls,” the paper wrote. “Over the ensuing three weeks, two Post reporters contacted and interviewed the four women. All were initially reluctant to speak publicly but chose to do so after multiple interviews, saying they thought it was important for people to know about their interactions with Moore. The women say they don’t know one another.”
Moore has implied the allegations against him couldn’t be true because of their timing. But the timing makes sense, upon further review: The rumors about his behavior have circulated in Alabama for years, and they were investigated and fully reported only when he suddenly became a serious contender for the U.S. Senate. This is a natural process—and it has no bearing on whether or not Leigh Corfman’s story is credible.

New accuser who spoke to the media, weak defense to the whole thing, the walls are closing in.
You've already decided that you are the judge, jury, executioner. 'A fair trial, followed by a first class hanging'. Why bother seeing if there is any truth to this? Oh, wait, there's a special election in the offing, so you need to try and keep it in front of people.
In a related story, Alabama Dems are rejecting help from outsiders. Might want to take their cue.
So in other words this is a GOP hit and not the DNC?
It's always amusing to watch Democrats take the high road. The party that's fought to tooth and nail to protect abusers of and a literal killer of women has no problem passing judgment on others.
This is a party that sheltered and celebrated a Democratic Senator who left a young woman to slowly suffocate in a car underwater and who refused to seek help for her for hours. They ignored the allegations that the same Senator was soliciting underage Congressional pages. They ignored allegations of rape and sexual harassment by their President. They ignore allegations of sex with underage prostitutes by a sitting Democratic Senator currently on trial for corruption.
But look how self righteous and judgmental they are when condemning Judge Moore.
Unless you are working to get Menedez to resign, you are merely acting as a partisan hack by criticizing Moore.
You have to be kidding...He was twice removed from the Alabama Supreme Court. How in the world is that an impeccable record.
So you are saying that allegations or the criticism of the actions after a serious car crash of sitting officials of state carry the same repercussions and action that is accorded to a candidate for that same status. If the allegations have merit then charges should be filed, that is how our legal system works. If a candidate likes touching kids then the very first move is to prevent that person from achieving office, then look at charges if they are indicated.It is remarkable how faux media mouthpieces seek to protect what by all indications so far to be a candidate with serious kid touching issues and all the klingons that are defending him. Is this to be a new plank, touch kids and we will circle the wagons to protect you? Moore's history is a long way from impeccable in fact is remarkable that he ever rose to prominence at all.
Maybe we could change impeccable to consistent?
Yet Democrats and their apologists are perfectly happy with Senator Menedez sitting in the Senate.
Is this to be a new plank, touch kids and we will circle the wagons to protect you
It's been the plank for Democrats for decades, ask Ted Kennedy and Robert Menendez. Rape, solicit minors, leave a women to suffocate underwater, Democrats will support you to the end, as long as you have the (d) after your name.
2016 suspension from the bench and resignation
On May 6, 2016, the Alabama Judicial Inquiry Commission (JIC) forwarded a list of six charges of ethical violations by Moore to the Alabama Court of the Judiciary . [52] Moore was suspended from the Alabama Supreme Court pending trial and ruling. Moore faced removal from office over the charges, which were more serious than those which removed him from office in 2003. [53] [54] The JIC's complaint charged Moore with violating the Alabama Canon of Judicial Ethics by: [55]
On May 27, Moore filed a federal lawsuit against the JIC ( Moore v. Judicial Inquiry Commission ), alleging that his automatic suspension was unconstitutional. [56] [57] On August 4, the federal district court dismissed Moore's suit, ruling that under the abstention doctrine , federal courts generally do not interfere with ongoing state court proceedings. [58] [59]
Also...
Ten Commandments monument controversy
Judgment and appeal
On November 18, 2002, federal U.S. District Judge Myron Thompson issued his ruling declaring that the monument violated the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution and was thus unconstitutional:
Judge Thompson's decision mandated that Moore remove the monument from the state judicial building by January 3, 2003, but stayed this order on December 23, 2002, after Moore appealed the decision to the Eleventh Circuit Court of Appeals . This appeal was argued on June 4, 2003, before a three-judge panel in Atlanta , Georgia . On July 1, 2003, the panel issued a ruling upholding the lower court's decision, agreeing that "the monument fails two of Lemon's three prongs. It violates the Establishment Clause." Additionally, the court noted that different religious traditions assign different wordings of the Ten Commandments, meaning that "choosing which version of the Ten Commandments to display can have religious endorsement implications". [33]
In response to the appeals court's decision, Judge Thompson lifted his earlier stay on August 5, 2003, requiring Moore to have the monument removed from public areas of the state judicial building by August 20. [34]
On August 14, Moore announced his intention to defy Judge Thompson's order to have the monument removed. Two days later, large rallies in support of Moore and the Ten Commandments monument formed in front of the judicial building, featuring speakers such as Alan Keyes , the Reverend Jerry Falwell , and Moore himself. The crowd peaked at an estimated count of 4,000 that day, [35] and anywhere from several hundred to over a thousand protesters remained through the end of August.
The time limit for removal expired on August 20, with the monument still in place in the building's rotunda. As specified in Judge Thompson's order, the state of Alabama faced fines of $5,000 a day until the monument was removed. In response, the eight other members of the Alabama Supreme Court intervened on August 21, unanimously overruled Moore, and ordered the removal of the monument. [36]
Moore said that Thompson, "fearing that I would not obey his order, decided to threaten other state officials and force them to remove the monument if I did not do so. A threat of heavy fines was his way of coercing obedience to that order," an action that Moore sees as a violation of the Eleventh Amendment to the United States Constitution . [17]
On August 27, the monument was moved to a non-public side room in the judicial building. [37] The monument was not immediately removed from the building for several reasons—pending legal hearings, the monument's weight, worries that the monument could break through the floor if it was taken outside intact, and a desire to avoid confrontation with protesters massed outside the structure. The monument was not actually removed from the state judicial building until July 19, 2004. [38]
Removal from office
On August 22, 2003, two days after the deadline for the Ten Commandments monument's removal had passed, the Alabama Judicial Inquiry Commission (JIC) filed a complaint with the Alabama Court of the Judiciary (COJ), a panel of judges, lawyers and others appointed variously by judges, legal leaders, the governor and the lieutenant governor. The complaint effectively suspended Moore from the Chief Justice position pending a hearing by the COJ. [39]
The COJ ethics hearing was held on November 12, 2003. Moore repeated his earlier sentiment that "to acknowledge God cannot be a violation of the Canons of Ethics. Without God there can be no ethics." He also acknowledged that he would repeat his defiance of the court order if given another opportunity to do so, and that if he returned to office, "I certainly wouldn't leave [the monument] in a closet, shrouded from the public." In closing arguments, the Assistant Attorney General said Moore's defiance, left unchecked, "undercuts the entire workings of the judicial system... What message does that send to the public, to other litigants? The message it sends is: If you don't like a court order, you don't have to follow it." [40] Moore had previously stated his belief that the order was unlawful, and that compliance with such an order was not an enforceable mandate.
The next day, the COJ issued a unanimous opinion ruling that "Chief Justice Moore has violated the Alabama Canons of Judicial Ethics as alleged by the JIC in its complaint." The COJ had several disciplinary options, including censure or suspension without pay, but because Moore's responses had indicated he would defy any similar court orders in the future, the COJ concluded that "under these circumstances, there is no penalty short of removal from office that would resolve this issue." [41] Moore was immediately removed from his post.
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"Impeccable record"? Not even close.
He is most likely a pedophile, and you want him to stay? Really?
Is your defense of Moore going to be the, "well they are bad people too!!!!!" excuse? That's all you have done so far, just point fingers at others, how about you defend Moore without the constant deflection? I mean, if you can.
Wow, could you have picked a site that is any further to the right? Holy crap, the entire site is nothing but spin and conspiracy theories.
So you are saying that someone forged his signature 40 years ago, knowing that 40 years later he would run for the senate?
So Moore is above federal law, nice side step but those ruling by a federal court and SCOTUS are the law.
When did you imagine I defended Moore?
LOL. That must be why he's been removed twice from high office for violations of judicial ethics.
He's nothing more than a bible-babbling theocrat and a sexual predator. But I repeat myself.
I don't understand all of this, but I am not a lawyer. Federal law prohibits marijuana, but in some states it is lawful. Federal law says gays can marry. Some states say no, but federal law prevails. What's the deal?
McCain was never accused of any sexual misconduct, there was a spurious claim that said he had fathered a black child but was ridiculous on the face of it and didn't require McCain to defend himself from an actual accuser of misconduct, assault or rape. I find it dishonest that you'd bring him into this debate.
LOL. Moore has nothing but contempt for the US constitution and the federal courts. He's nothing more than a theocrat, a neoconfederate, a grifter and a sexual predator.
Facts:
Where is your proof that Moore is a "sexual predator" ?
Unlike so many others, I am willing to wait for a court of law to decide his fate which would be based upon FACTS and not believe allegations based upon hearsay .
Each story should be examined because the press is biased and, in WAPO’s case, openly supporting Moore’s opponent. The stories are written to highlight the elements of the alleged attack and downplay inconsistencies.
In this particular case, I’ve read that she claims to have never returned Moore’s flirtatious behavior. That means she knew he was flirting with her. She has a yearbook that she claims Moore signed, while working as a waitress. Although she didn’t elaborate on it, I assume that she brought her yearbook to work so that people she liked could sign it. The only way Moore would be able to sign the yearbook is if she gave it to him to sign.
We know that Moore was considered a catch by some since one girl’s mother allegedly said she would be the luckiest girl in the world to get him. So Nelson liked Moore enough to let him sign her yearbook (although he’s twice her age), she probably knew some thought he was a catch, she may have liked being able to catch his eye, she knew he was flirting with her, she knew her boyfriend was on his way to pick her up, yet she got in Moore’s car. She claimed that she intended to call her boyfriend when she got home (because there were no cellphones) but it’s unclear how she thought she could reach him if he was on his way to pick her up (and he has no cellphone).
Her boyfriend arrived just after the alleged incident. Apparently, she didn’t say what happened because she said her boyfriend had a bad temper and he might get into trouble. On the other hand, she may have been on the receiving end of that bad temper for getting into Moore’s car (to do who knows what in the parking lot) when she knew that he was on his way to pick her up.
I suspect that, if this encounter even occurred, there’s more going on here. Moore isn’t a complete fool. He knew her boyfriend was coming to pick her up so he would be highly unlikely to think that he had time to rape her in the parking lot. What he could think is that she got in his car willing to play around a little or otherwise she wouldn’t have gotten in his car. No that doesn’t mean he can rape her but, if he ever remembers anything from this 40 year old incident, he can give a different version.
I was referring to Moore.
I think Moore should sue for defamation, so the accuser(s) would have to testify under oath as to exactly what happened. Remember, with the hard left it is not the truth or reality of a situation that matters, it's the seriousness of the charge.
It the alleged victims are willing to stand up and be counted, I would be more inclined to believe them.
It the alleged victims are willing to stand up and be counted, I would be more inclined to believe them.
Where have you been? Their names are all public knowledge, unlike the name of the person who claims she was offered money to lie about Moore.
One of them gave a live televised news conference yesterday.
I mean testify under oath. Would take a lot of courage and show how negatively this alleged behavior of his affected her.
Good, that's a start, but how much is Gloria Allred paying her??
Spin spin spin... But i'll bite...How much?
If they testify then at least they could then counter sue for everything he has, too bad the statute of limitations is done.
The victim who gave the news conference said she's happy to testify under oath, either in court or to Congress.
Make sure Rex provides a link to his information.
That was Beverly Young Nelson. I thought it was an especially touching moment when she kept dabbing her eyes with a tissue but there weren't any tears. Her lawyer is ambulance chaser Gloria Allred. Whenever Gloria's around, it's clear that the only goal is $$$$$.
She's already said she would be willing to testify under oath on this.
"Nelson is "willing to testify under oath" to the statements she provides on Monday against Moore."
Good. I hope she can drum up some tears by then, because she couldn't produce any with Allred by her side.
Every woman who sent a man to jail based on a false sexual assault charge did so after testifying under oath.
Local residents: Moore was known for flirting with, dating teenage girls
"Him liking and dating young girls was never a secret in Gadsden when we were all in high school," Sheryl Porter, an Etowah County resident, told AL.com. Moore was the assistant district attorney for the county in the late 1970s and early 80s.
"In our neighborhoods up by Noccalula Falls we heard it all the time. Even people at the courthouse know it was a well-known secret," Porter said.
Another longtime resident, Blake Usry, told the publication that he knew several girls that Moore had approached at the mall.
Usry said that when he was a teenager, he often saw Moore at the mall.
"He would go and flirt with all the young girls," he said. "It'd seem like every Friday or Saturday night [you'd see him] walking around the mall, like the kids did."
Residents told The New Yorker that rumors about Moore's behavior at a local mall had circulated for years.
Jason Nelms, who visited the Gadsden Mall often when he was a teenager, told the magazine that managers at the movie theater used to joke about keeping an eye on kids that would hang out outside the building.
"Anyway, when asked why they had to keep an eye outside, they said that some older guy had been trying to pick up younger girls. They didn't go beyond that but one of the concession workers whispered to us later that it was Roy Moore he was talking about," Nelms said.
Greg Legat, who worked at a store in the mall in the early 1980s, said that his bosses had told him to keep an eye out for Moore.
Nothing but more hearsay gossip....he said....she said....he said....she said! Where are the pictures, the videos, the tape recordings, the semen stained dress???
Blah, blah, blah! Rinse and repeat endlessly.
"I have no idea who this woman is and I have never even met her!!!" Interesting, and I wonder how his signature ended up in her high school year book. Weird huh?
I seriously doubt they were video taping or even shooting the record on their smartphones forty years ago, guess what trials were held and convictions achieved without modern technology. Poeple on record stating what they knew is not hear say, Moore's denials are empty like his moral integrity.
I see you are out making friends and influencing people : )
My opinion on this subject is not very popular either ... I remember when a High School friend of mine was accused of murdering Ted Binion (owned the Horseshoe in Vegas) it was amazing the rumors and innuendos flying around from the high school days that was pure BS people were making up, while being interviewed for the 'story' (some even testified in court)
I have NO clue if Moore is guilty, if these woman are credible or not - I have come to the conclusion that it really does not matter, as accusations rule the day in the US at this juncture in history. Honestly, it is a scary time to be a man, quite thankful I am not one!
I think he should do what all good liberals and Democrats do...apologize and move on. After all, he will be just one Senator out of a hundred, instead of a Alabama Supreme Court judge, where his influence would be much greater.
Much ado about nothing. If Moore ends up winning the seat, he can thank the Democrats and the Clinton's for lowering the bar and making "anything goes" if you're a Democrat OK. And these left wingers knew exactly what old Harvey was up to when they held out their hands and took his money.
I read on msn where they are analyzing the signature and it looks like it isn't his.
Hi.
I have always been thankful that I was not born a man. It is quite scary and I refuse to join the lynching crowd. If he is guilty....prove it!
Ain't it the truth!
I defended former First Lady Michelle Obama over her comments about Weinstein in the past - not knowing that everyone knew already .. all the actresses politicians etc sang his praises (knowing the things that he had done) for the money ... very sad
I should come forward and tell the world that my drivers ed teacher found a screw in the parking lot .. and said to me here is something you have never had - I laughed, it was so true I had never been laid! Wow now that I think about it, I now suffer from PTSD (which is a serious condition that is being turned into a joke!)
whoops I vented once more!
Hello mag... yep me too, I have always enjoyed being me : ) ...
I cannot join the lynching either, cuz I just do not know what or who to believe. I want to believe the 'victims' but 40 years later, and being encouraged to tell all for a article exclusive with no way of verifying the information - smacks of the Rolling Stone article a few years back about a gang rape that never happened, but it sure ruined lives!
What a person did male or female 40 years ago may not be that same person now.
Ruining lives for what? See, there is no way for a person to defend themselves against accusations and in this time these women/men are believed because it is the popular thing to do.
You and I both know what sexual assault is and we both reported it. We didn't wait.
Agreed mag... rather sad when accusations are taken as fact by the court of public opinion.
This could all be true ... or it could all be fraudulent - yet the accusations are already out there.
Gloria Allred is on the case now .. crack me up!
You do know that was from an admitted consensual affair with an adult. Monica was never one of Bill's "accusers". She was just giddily recounting her adult affair with the President to Linda Tripp who was the one who went to the media with it. None of the other accusers had any sort of photos, video or physical evidence. I still believed them regardless of the fact it was their word against his, but apparently Republicans won't accept that because it's party over country for them. Denny Hastert only got found out because there was a paper trail of payoffs to his accuser, otherwise Republicans would have defended that child rapist to their graves. Republican hypocrisy knows no bounds.
Even if it is his signature, is he supposed to remember everyone he met and every yearbook, photo, card etc that he signed for the last 40 years? I can’t even remember everything I did last week.
And just because he signed her book (if he signed it) that means he drove her behind the building to rape her, knowing that her boyfriend could show up looking for her? She said Roy offered to take her home and thepat she would call her boyfriend from there because there were no cell phones at the time. But if there were no cell phones, how would she reach her boyfriend if he was in her way to pick her up? Where is that boyfriend anyway and what did she say to him when he arrived “guess what, Roy Moore tried to rape me in his car 5 minutes ago” and he said “Yeah, I was wondering why your blouse was over your head. Let’s go to the mall.”
Other fake rapes come to mind:
Why do [some] women falsely report sexual misconduct, sexual assault, or rape? The reasons vary. Here are 12 of them; there may be more. All of the women and the reasons listed in the following article are documented cases:
Thanks for reminding people that a woman’s accusation (or anybody else’s for that matter) should never be accepted as true based solely on that person’s account. Lives can be ruined. One man in your link served four years in prison based on a lie. How many others are there who have been victimized by a liar? That doesn’t mean these women are lying about sexual assault but it doesn’t mean they were assualted just because they say they were.
It seems that Beverly Nelson's boyfriend from 40 years ago is nowhere to be found. But, her stepson has spoken up ....
Glory Allred has now shown her face too !
Now I know the accusations are bullshit and only politically motivated.
As soon as she gets what "SHE" wants....and it's not something for her clients....She'll be gone....and so will the accusers !
ooooo.....RUMERS ABOUND.......YOUR GUILTY ! Such a SAD fucking political tactic anymore. Makes you wonder why the Left hasn't tried to get rid of the "Innocent until actually PROVEN Guilty" thingy !
I listened to her stepson’s video and here’s my honest opinion. He really doesn’t say anything useful. He doesn’t know what happened 40 years ago nor does he say that she told him anything different than what she said publicly. But then this is a mud slinging political fight, not a trial, so I guess anything goes.
He did seem to imply that she lies and manipulates people. If that’s what he’s saying, then he should elaborate. She’s floating entirely on the assumption that she’s a credible witness with nothing from anybody who can attest to her credibility. If the stepson can undermine her credibility by saying that she routinely lies and manipulates, then he should come forward and say it the same way the alleged victims came forward to accuse Moore. If these women are going to accuse Moore 40 years after the fact (and if we’re going to take the accusations seriously), then we should know something about the veracity and mental stability of the accusers. All who know something should speak up.
Fortunately for men they can now become women just by snapping their fingers.
The signature details are very telling, and there are a lot of discrepancies. Maybe Gloria Allred didn't pay her forgery team enough.
Mags, since you're from the South, I'd like to ask you a question. To the best of your knowledge, have high schools in the South ever issued yearbooks in December? In the places I've lived, yearbooks have always been issued at the end of a school year (May or June). I'm just curious as to why Beverly Young Nelson allegedly asked Roy Moore to sign her yearbook in the middle of a school year, because it seems strange that anyone would do that either then or now. Forensic analysts will easily be able to date test the ink in the yearbook.
Did you notice that the "Roy Moore" signature in Beverly Nelson's 1977 yearbook identifies him as a DA? In 1977, the real Roy Moore was a Deputy District Attorney (DDA) ... not a DA. From what I've researched, Roy Moore was never a DA.
Yeah , I'm sure that someone who wanted to impress girls would indicate he was just the deputy. What is he , Barney Fife?
Is Roy Moore still worth it? - Washington Examiner
You may be on to something here. I just checked the Gadsden high school website and it says yearbooks are delivered before school is out in MAY. If that has always been the case, and I suspect it was, then she wouldn't have had the year book in December before graduation. This is a really important fact worth forwarding to the Moore campaign, since you're the one who discovered it.
Yep, same here!
I think you should forward it to them 1Of Many, they might reward you with an autographed photo of Roy to hang on your wall.
"Although Nelson said she was attending Gadsden High School in December 1977 when she was a waitress at Olde Hickory House, she had attended Southside from 1975 to the summer of 1977. The 16-year-old received her Southside yearbook in the mail that month and brought it with her to the restaurant, where she said Moore sexually assaulted her in a car. In that same yearbook is a picture of her fellow sophomore Kayla Kisor, who went on to marry a man 14 years her senior, Roy Moore.
That flag should read "Stay Out of Our Kids!"
Interesting link Jasper, Thanks...
I cannot find the article that I was looking for, but this one addresses the issue (a lil bit) regarding the rise in the false reporting of hate crime. Granted the number at this time (as far as 'we' know) are quite low - but I still find it alarming..........................
The false reporting of rape, assault ... even hate crimes - all it takes is an accusation and off rolls the ball, creating an avalanche in its wake.
Maybe you can sign her yearbook. She likes to remember older guys.
I guess it worked since she wanted to remember him in her yearbook forever.
Here's the difference between you and me, John Russell. I selected the above comment, but what I state below applies to your other comments on this topic as well:
Jasper, we received our Year Books about in April. I was secretary of our senior class. The photos weren't taken until the warm weather as I am wearing a sleeveless outfit. However, the year book, itself began compiling after the Christmas holidays.
So, are they saying that she was seeing him for two years after her traumatic experience? That's a long relationship!
It's sinful, I think. Many a person in my community alone have been tormented by idle gossip. An individual doesn't know whether to stand against it or leave it alone.
I think you know what I do.
And here's proof from years ago. She tries to skew the word "we" when everybody knows that pronouns miraculously became "fluid" and interchangeable to the Left nearly 2 decades ago:
I think it works both ways. We work politics so much that we don't see what is happening.
Linda Tripp was the reason why Pres. Clinton's affair with Ms. Lewinsky came to light. Maybe, it was meant to me.
I do not know nor does anyone else what happened with these girls. Only Roy Moore knows. He may give up the ship...who knows?
I am on record not believing anyone who comes out 20, 30 or 40 years later with accusations. This, particularly, applies to those who gained their celebrity status while accepting inappropriate actions from those in power.
I have seen many a woman come on to men...enticing, flirting and, then, when they are finished they expect the man to just turn off. It works both ways.
With the proper amount of money.
and 2.1.3.2.… Colour Me Free replied to Jasper2529 @ 2.1.3.2.… an hour ago
Thank you, both. I'm just trying to bring awareness to the fact that many women lie about rape, assault, harassment, and there are various reasons why they do. IMO, this never helps real victims.
Re: the topic -- Roy Moore: To date, none of the 5 women have been able to prove that he is guilty of sexual misconduct, sexual assault, or rape. Four of the women were over the age of consent (16), and the mother of 14-year-old Leigh Corfman allowed Moore to take care of her daughter in the courthouse. All 5 women willingly entered Moore's car/home.
From my first comment on this topic, I haven't blamed either the women or Moore, but I've raised some questions and stated facts. It's not a surprise that there have been some people who have attacked those of us who keep an open mind until a court of law makes a final decision.
In 1979 I was 13 and had a rather lucrative babysitting business going on - the victim needed a babysitter at 14, by a man that may not be a stranger, but the mother really did not know? tis just not passing the smell test...
I have never been good at the whole blind faith thing .. need a wee bit more info before I can say "I think the accusations are more credible than the denial"
<sigh> Are your search engines broken again?
You're welcome, John.
when moore did all the things he is now accused of? he was a democrat...
why now? he is now a republican.
I didn't know about the Democrat thing.
One thing we do know is that Moore has always been a southern conservative and a Southern Baptist.
That's why he's hosted meetings for the white supremacist "League of the South."
Here is this mag...
Party affiliations means nothing to me, but for some they live and breath the crap!
So what? I started out as a Republican when Nixon was elected, I became an Independent when Ford was president and, then finally settled into the Democratic Party when Reagan was president.
That's interesting. Thank you.
Did you read the last line that I typed?
Most current Republicans in the south did exactly the opposite. They started out Democrats (or Dixiecrats) then started to shift to the Republican party after the Democrats passed and signed into law the 1964 civil rights act and 1965 voting rights act.
Apparently Roy Moore found a welcoming crowd when he moved to the Republican party, he likely figured they'd be easier on a pedophile like himself, and he was right.
Bingo. Just like Kim Davis. It sounds like Moore switched to the GOP around the same time David Duke did.
What I find amusing is that there are still a few Dixiecrats lurking under rotten logs. You'd think they would have figured out long ago that the GOP is their true home today.
It hasn't been debunked. That is one professors opinion and she takes a lot of liberties with the truth in her white washing of the GOP's southern strategy.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/11/24/how-racism-explains-republicans-rise-in-the-south/?utm_term=.7c633aca6cbf
Four of the 5 women were over the legal age of consent. All 5 women willingly got in Moore's car/went to his house.
Leigh Corfman's age at the time is still questionable, and her mother approved of, and allowed, Moore to "take care" of her 14 year old daughter.
Instead of accusing Moore's current political party affiliation, you should have researched that when he ALLEGEDLY attacked these women, he was a Democrat. Stick to the facts!
He may be guilty, but I don't see it. I have been deceived before in my political career, so, it won't be the first time.
I am going with.....prove it! If I am found wrong.....again, won't be the first time!
I will not be part of the lynch crowd.
As I've said on several seeds, Moore may be guilty or the women may be lying. I don't know and neither does anyone else. But, I'm not going to accuse anyone - male or female - based upon allegations, political party, and/or hearsay from nearly 40 years ago. Our legal system has a job to do, and it will hopefully do the right thing based upon facts.
See, I think, right or wrong, Mr. Moore, is going to pull out. The pressure is getting too great. It is swallowing him alive. How much can his family take? The GOP has let him down.
It is a disgrace!
If he loses, it will be expected but if he wins, David beat Goliath. His reputation is already destroyed. One way or another he’ll make history so it’s just a question of whether he wants to be remembered as a fighter or a quitter.
That's hilarious. How exactly did they move away from themselves? They WERE the racist Dixiecrats, they didn't move out of State, they just switched parties. You can't just wash off decades of racist behavior and decisions by changing party affiliation, all those bigots stayed in the South and are still there. It's why Trump get's so much support from those same confederate States. Those racists in Charlottesville waving their swastikas and confederate flags didn't vote for Hillary and you know it, they are staunch Trump and GOP supporters. The GOP embraced those disaffected racists and the South turned bright red. Stop trying to deflect the very obvious facts.
I don't know about where you come from, but most States still consider it beyond gross if a 32 year old is trying to bang 16 year old's even if it's technically "legal".
"Instead of accusing Moore's current political party affiliation, you should have researched that when he ALLEGEDLY attacked these women, he was a Democrat."
I don't give a crap what party he belonged to. Much like racism, being a pedophile doesn't magically disappear when you change parties.
I read this morning that Moore pretty much told McConnell to shove it. He, also, sent a letter to Hannity.
It looks like Judge Moore isn't going to give it up!
Keep spinning.
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=dora+the+fish%2c+keep+swimming&view=detail&mid=A4C7CBCA7D9474E0D466A4C7CBCA7D9474E0D466&FORM=VIRE
This Conservative is coming out against Moore. Anyone who admits that when they were in their 30's, they "usually" sought the parents permission to date their teenage daughter, well, that's just to disgusting for me.
He admitted to this in an interview with Hannity, and that is enough for me to jump off the Moore bandwagon! I hope the Republican Party can find someone to use as a write in or something.
He said he dated younger women. He did not say he was guilty. Big difference.
That's enough for me to not want anything to do with him.
He also “married” a younger woman and has been happily married to her for 33 years. There’s nothing wrong with that and men have done it for centuries. If he had married a younger man, Democrats would be cheering him as a pioneer . . . because they’re batshit crazy. Maybe Bill Clinton should have married a younger woman so he wouldn’t have to be sneaking out on his wife with a younger woman every time her back is turned.
Exactly, he condemns himself with his own words. He would never have had to get a mothers permission if he were only dating other adults.
MOORE: I don't remember specific dates. I do not and I don't remember if it was that time or later. But I do not remember that.
HANNITY: But you know her but you never dated her ever? Is that what you're saying?
MOORE: No but I don't remember going out on dates. I knew her as a friend.If we did go out on dates then we did.But I do not remember that.
HANNITY: At that time in your life, let me ask you this you do remember these girls would it be unusual for you as a 32-year-old guy to have dated a woman as young as 17? That would be a 15 year difference or a girl 18. Do you remember dating girls that young at that time?
MOORE: Not generally, no. If did, you know, I'm not going to dispute anything but I don't remember anything like that.
HANNITY: But you don't specifically remember having any girlfriend that was in her late teens even at that time?
MOORE: I don't remember that and I don't remember ever dating any girl without the permission of her mother.
WTH does "Generally no" even mean? If he didn't do it, then it would be an emphatic "No!" but he wasn't able to even squeeze that out of his tongue tied mouth.
'Nuff said.
The sign of a true southern gentleman to ask the mothers permission when courting a lady of upper class.
If he were sneaking around, he wouldn’t ask permission. Moore’s idea of a date seems to be more like a date on a 50’s TV show, where they go to the movies or the malt shop. Maybe they kiss goodnight but that’s it.
It seems to me that he’s being respectful. Women above the age of consent can date whomever they choose and any man can date them, without either of them having to explain anything. But if the woman is still living under their parents’ roof as an older teen, then he’s making sure the parents don’t mind if he courts her. If the girl doesn’t mind and the parents don’t mind, then it’s really nobody else’s busines. I guess if Moore were a homo and wanted to marry a teenage boy (of s marriagble age), then that would be just fine. In fact, they’d ask “Why is it your business?” How does this hurt you?” “Why do you get to pass judgment on who can love each other” blah blah blah.
Moore’s Attorney has demanded to be able to examine the yearbook to try and determine whether the signature is real or a forgery. According to him, the signature could have been lifted off a court document because Moore was the judge who presided over her divorce.
But wait a minute. This woman stood there and didn’t ask to be reassigned to another judge based on bias or a conflict of interest. Instead she was content to let him preside over her case even though she thinks he tried to rape her. She wouldn’t stay silent if she thought it would negatively affect her case so I’m assuming that she was hoping that he still liked her and would give her a favorable decision. I assume that she didn’t bother to disclose to her ex-husband that she knew the judge.
In any event, how come she didn’t start blubbering in the courtroom when she saw that her judge was the man who supposedly tried to rape her? Anybody else would have passed out.
Has anyone else noticed how different the conversation and debate is between liberals and conservatives when it comes to all these accusations? When Harvey Weinstein was outed as a sexual predator virtually every liberal here and in the press condemned him. Never did you hear a liberal on these boards defend him saying "the media doesn't have enough proof and it is just an accusers word against his and hey, can you really believe women?". All these actors who have been accused have immediately lost their jobs and suffered harsh backlash from their former fans and supporters, as well they should. Yet when it's a conservative who is accused, the conservatives circle the wagons and defend their accused as if they're the victim. They claim "the timing is too convenient" or "it's her word against his" and "How can we really believe these women because they waited so long". They come up with every possible defense for their conservative heroes and demand hard evidence to prove any wrongdoing, and even when proven they still hedge saying things like "Even if everything said about Roy Moore is true, we can't let Democrats have this Senate seat" or "Hey, Mary was only 13 when married to Joseph" completely forgetting about the supposed "virgin birth" aspect of the story. Conservative Republican hypocrisy truly knows no bounds.
The obvious difference is that Harvey is not running for a political office, he does not represent a swing in the political landscape in Washington D.C.
also, there is no suspicious timing of the accusations against Harvey, and they were not first reported by a news organization who had just come out in support of Harvey's rival.
also, whereas Moore denies the allegations, Harvey as much as admitted to the allegations when he said he was going to check himself into a clinic and get help.
So there, I hope that at least begins to help you understand the differences between Harvey and Moore's cases.
Is all that in some way supposed to be a justification for defending a scumbag like Moore? Because he's needed politically? I wish I could remember who it was who claimed he would vote for Moore regardless of how true these accusations are because it meant getting another extreme rightwing supreme court justice. It's just that moral vacuity that allows monsters like Moore in to reach high levels in the courts and in politics in the first place.
Nope, and if you've seen my comments on the subject, I am against Moore, and want him to go crawl back to whatever swamp he came from.
Both Harvey Weinstein and Judge Moore are disgusting pigs and any party who would defend them, is also disgusting.
Really? When did Moore admit actually doing what he is accused of? When did due process occur so that a jury of his peers might render a legal determination?
I don't see Perrie calling for him to go to jail. He is not being punished by government without due process, as that is impossible due to statute of limitations.
As for the court of public opinion - that's the way elections work.
Moore didn’t have to admit it because his accusers “admitted” it for him. If they say he’s guilty, then all that needs to be done is to get a rope. /s
Normally, Moore would be a little too far right for my tastes but, if I lived in Alabama, I’d seriously consider voting for him to flip the finger at those I find disgusting.
It’s clear to me that he doesn’t know how to run an effective campaign against mudslinging. He’s letting the MSM conflate legal activity (dating/courting women above the age of consent) with illegal activity (trying to molest a child). The obvious purpose to cast him as a predator.
With regard to the illegal activity, it turns entirely on unproven allegations of what he supposedly did 40 years ago leveled by women whose trustworthiness is unknown. Forty years is enough time for him to get married, have children, and for his children to have children.
If I were Moore, I’d put the campaign back on track and say:
“I’m not going to waste your time and mine discussing these media driven mudslinging allegations of what some woman said I did 40 years ago that has no bearing whatsoever on where we find ourselves today. My opponent would kill babies up until birth, degrade our military by making it a transgender circus, overrun the country with illegal aliens, enshrine the lunacy of political correctness, push God as far out of government as he can, and do everything possible to help his party tear down our monuments and undermine the president. If that’s what you want, then vote for Doug Jones. But if you want something better for Alabama and our country, then I’m your man.”
Will Al Franken be resigning over pictures of him fondling the breasts of a sleeping female reporter? Unlike Moore where the only proof of any wrongdoing 40 years ago are the self-serving statements of his accusers, Franken photographed himself sexually harassing her and circulated the pictures. He’s actually doing what Moore is only accused of doing. Plus, she said that he had previously forced his disgusting tongue down her throat when they were rehearsing a skit.