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We are too afraid of the impeachment power, and too complacent about leaving an unfit president in office

  

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Via:  johnrussell  •  9 years ago  •  194 comments

We are too afraid of the impeachment power, and too complacent about leaving an unfit president in office

(this is not the entire article, there is more at the link)

...It is time to reassess. Impeachment, in Donald Trump’s case, would lead to the elevation of Mike Pence — a Republican who is better liked by his party and who, to Democrats’ chagrin, would likely be much more effective at pushing a conservative legislative agenda. But it would mean less danger of an accidental war with North Korea, less daily degradation of democratic norms and civil discourse, an executive who has the attention span to follow briefings and the temperament to stay off Twitter when he’s angry, and the precedent that there is some minimal level of job performance that the American people and their political representatives are willing to demand of their president.

An objection to this is that it might lead to more common impeachment proceedings in the future. And indeed it might. Other developed countries operate on roughly that basis, with occasional no-confidence votes and snap elections being used to impose midterm accountability, and they get along just fine.

Impeachment under the American political system requires a majority in the House of Representatives and a two-thirds majority in the Senate; it is not easy to use and, as Republicans learned in the aftermath of their attempt to impeach Clinton, can backfire on those who use attempt it frivolously. It seems unlikely that America is at risk of regular or trivial impeachments even as it seems quite likely that the holders of an office as powerful as the American presidency might be well served to believe that impeachment is a real possibility if they perform their duties unacceptably poorly.

A lesson of Trump’s presidency, thus far, is that we have come to see the impeachment power as too sacrosanct, as too limited. While I was writing this piece, Trump embarked on a diplomatic trip to Asia. While there, he sent this tweet:




Why would Kim Jong-un insult me by calling me "old," when I would NEVER call him "short and fat?" Oh well, I try so hard to be his friend - and maybe someday that will happen!






There are plenty of people who simply should not be president of a nuclear hyperpower, and Trump is one of them. This is a truth known by his staff, known by Republicans in Congress, and known by most of the country. That so few feel able to even suggest doing the obvious thing and replacing him with another Republican who is better suited to the single most important job in the world is bizarre. (It is a particular irony in this case, given that Trump’s entire public persona is based on the idea that well-run organizations need to swiftly and ruthlessly fire poor performers.)

We have grown too afraid of the consequences of impeachment and too complacent about the consequences of leaving an unfit president in office. If the worst happens, and Trump’s presidency results in calamity, we will have no excuse to make, no answer to give. This is an emergency. We should break the glass.

But even if we muddle through Trump’s presidency, it should be a reminder that the presidential elections are as fallible a method of selecting an executive as any other. American government is built so that a president can be removed and a duly elected co-partisan is always present to step in and take his place. Impeachment is not a power we should take lightly; nor is it one we should treat as too explosive to use. There will be presidents who are neither criminals nor mental incompetents but who are wrong for the role, who pose a danger to the country and the world.

It is a principle that sounds radical until you say it, at which point it sounds obvious: Being extremely bad at the job of president of the United States should be enough to get you fired.

https://www.vox.com/2017/11/30/16517022/impeachment-donald-trump



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JohnRussell
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1  seeder  JohnRussell    9 years ago

We are not even 25% through Trump's term and there are insane things happening every day. Trump's presidency literally wants to normalize the president having hallucinatory beliefs about himself and others. 

Our people deserve so much better than this. 

 
 
 
Rex Block
Freshman Silent
1.4  Rex Block  replied to  JohnRussell @1    9 years ago
Our people deserve so much better than this.

We certainly didn't deserve Hillary....I mean, talk about being a dangerous choice.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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1.4.1  Bob Nelson  replied to  Rex Block @1.4    9 years ago

Do you understand the "logic" of what you just said?

You consider Hillary to be a horrible possibility... so anything better than "horrible" is good??

 
 
 
Rex Block
Freshman Silent
1.4.3  Rex Block  replied to  Bob Nelson @1.4.1    9 years ago

I didn't say "horrible', everybody knows she would have been much worse that Trump.

Excellent logic on my part.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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1.4.4  Bob Nelson  replied to  Rex Block @1.4.3    9 years ago

Unless I'm much mistaken, "better than horrible" is not a ringing endorsement. Why can't you find accomplishments on which to base a judgment? For example, handing over public land to private enterprises? Rescinding EPA regulations? Turning the Internet over to providers?

And of course, the biggy! Tax cuts for the ultra-rich (and particularly for himself, through pass-throughs) along with tax hikes for everyone else.

Why must you deflect from what is actually happening?

 
 
 
The Magic 8 Ball
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2  The Magic 8 Ball    9 years ago

too funny... here are the facts.

1) trump is not going to be impeached.

2) trump will be re-elected in 2020

3) trump will be remembered as one of the greatest presidents of our time.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  The Magic 8 Ball @2    9 years ago

It's possible that you are right about number one. 

But number two is delusional and number three is delusional on steroids. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.1.2  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.1    9 years ago

If the worst happens, and Trump’s presidency results in calamity, we will have no excuse to make, no answer to give. This is an emergency. We should break the glass.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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2.1.4  Ozzwald  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.2    9 years ago
If the worst happens, and Trump’s presidency results in calamity, we will have no excuse to make, no answer to give.

Trump has done nothing except point figures and deny any culpability to his mistakes.  His rabid followers will continue to bellieve that no matter what.

 
 
 
Dulay
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2.1.5  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.1    9 years ago

I remember when the Republicans thought it was delusional for anyone to think that Trump would win the GOP nomination, for Trump to have a path to 270, for Trump to beat Clinton, too.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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2.1.6  Ozzwald  replied to  Dulay @2.1.5    9 years ago
I remember when the Republicans thought it was delusional for anyone to think that Trump would win the GOP nomination, for Trump to have a path to 270, for Trump to beat Clinton, too.

Yup, and Putin sure proved them wrong, didn't he???

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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3  Sean Treacy    9 years ago

Impeach him for what? Dumb tweets? 

As President, he's actually been remarkably restrained in wielding executive power. As Rich Lowery (an anti-trumper) wrote:

Trump has rolled back Obama administrative actions on immigration (DACA), the environment (the Clean Power Plan) and health care (the so-called CSR payments) that at best pushed the envelope of executive authority and at worst were frankly unconstitutional. Just this week, Trump won a court fight confirming that, no matter what his critics might hope, the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau is indeed an executive agency whose director is to be appointed by the president in the event of a vacancy.

 
 
 
It Is ME
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3.1  It Is ME  replied to  Sean Treacy @3    9 years ago
Impeach him for what?

Just because the Left doesn't like him. tough guy

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.1.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  It Is ME @3.1    9 years ago

For starters, he's nuts. 

 
 
 
It Is ME
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3.1.2  It Is ME  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.1    9 years ago
For starters, he's nuts.

By whose standards ?

Heck YOU....and I....talk like he does. Are YOU or I nutz too ?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.1.3  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  It Is ME @3.1.2    9 years ago

Everyone who's not nuts themselves. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.1.4  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  It Is ME @3.1.2    9 years ago
Heck YOU....and I....talk like he does. Are YOU or I nutz too ?

When the state of Hawaii officially stated that Obama was born in Hawaii, I believed them.  Trump went into a frenzy sending invisible detectives to Honolulu to "investigate". 

One of us is sane and its not him. 

 
 
 
It Is ME
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3.1.7  It Is ME  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.4    9 years ago

Sorry it took a bit to get back with you, But I just couldn't find a report about "Frenzy" being the main issue on that.

 
 
 
sixpick
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3.1.8  sixpick  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.1    9 years ago
For starters, he's nuts.

Keep telling yourself that while the GDP swirls to 3.3%, something Obama's Presidency never even came close to.  In fact polls were in the mid 20 percentile during most of 2016 that the country was heading in the right direction and the GDP was only 1.9% for 2016.  Trump is the best thing that has happened to this country in decades.  I may not agree with him on many things, he is shaking the media and political powers up and positive changes are becoming evident every day. 

The media has been exposed as the the Democrat Party they are and they hate it because they aren't able to do anything about it.  Trump doesn't sit back like Bush and let the media run all over him, but waste no time in having his say.  I can appreciate someone who has thrown Political Correctness out the window.  Even I can't come close to having his ability to express myself with such freedom after years of Political Correctness endoctrination, so I can imagine how those who have become so accustomed to having to watch their words can be so upset at the reemergence of this liberty when they thought we were at the doorsteps of Utopia and they would rule as far as anyone could see in the foreseeable future.

The country's economic outlook is the best it has been in decades actually and of course there is going to be division when you have people who would rather see this country go down in flames rather than to see Trump succeed.  Going around to these other countries and setting up deals to MAGA instead of giving all our military secrets away and propping up Communism for another 100 years as in Cuba, not to mention ignoring the inevitable future that Obama and Clinton gave us with North Korea's nuclear weapons threat or giving Iran the 100% opportunity to cause devastation around the world, Trump is taking all these obstacles head on and dealing with them instead of passing the buck.

Those who profess he is crazy are actually projecting their own inadequacies and haven't been able to accept the 20% plus positive outlook for most of 2016 or the threats to our freedom that were moving at lightning speed to transform this country into some sort of socialist paradise with one party rule, changing it forever.  They should be thanking us instead for saving them from themselves.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.1.9  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  sixpick @3.1.8    9 years ago
Those who profess he is crazy are actually projecting their own inadequacies

Six, most people, even right wingers, don't lie, bully, cheat and buffoon the way Trump does. He is in his own category. 

Everyone knows it, and it is sad that Trumpsters like yourself have to wallow in denial about it all. 

 
 
 
Dulay
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3.1.10  Dulay  replied to  sixpick @3.1.8    9 years ago
Keep telling yourself that while the GDP swirls to 3.3%, something Obama's Presidency never even came close to.

Lie. 

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
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3.1.11  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Dulay @3.1.10    9 years ago

Why do they make it so easy to show what liars they are?  (But I love 'em for it).  

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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3.2  Bob Nelson  replied to  Sean Treacy @3    9 years ago
Impeach him for what?

- Collusion with a hostile foreign power to subvert election results

- Nepotism

- Using his office to increase his own fortune

- Incessantly lying to the American public

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.2.3  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Bob Nelson @3.2    9 years ago

They could make a long list of articles of impeachment.  It is a political procedure , not a legal one.

The bottom line is he is not fit for the office and if he wont leave of his own accord then he has to be pushed. 

 
 
 
sixpick
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3.2.5  sixpick  replied to  Bob Nelson @3.2    9 years ago

- Collusion with a hostile foreign power to subvert election results

- Nepotism

- Using his office to increase his own fortune

- Incessantly lying to the American public

If this was a test, you would have received a perfect score, but you wouldn't have passed. LOL

 
 
 
sixpick
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3.2.6  sixpick  replied to  JohnRussell @3.2.3    9 years ago

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/fc/79/d4/fc79d41e54c6f5ec641d70edf26da5f0.jpg

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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3.2.8  Bob Nelson  replied to  sixpick @3.2.5    9 years ago

... but you don't even try to dispute that little list...

Everyone knows it's true, including the Unthinking Faithful TM who simply don't care. Trump could, as he said, shoot someone without losing any supporters.

 
 
 
Spikegary
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3.2.9  Spikegary  replied to  Bob Nelson @3.2    9 years ago

Bob, all of those things require.....let me name them off in order for you:

-- Proof

--Proof

--Proof

--Proof

There was proof that Bill Clinton lied to the Special Prosecutor and mislead congress, they impeached him and couldn't get a conviction.  With proof.  Good luck.  If you have some money to invest, I have some bridges to sell you.

 
 
 
Spikegary
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3.2.10  Spikegary  replied to  XDm9mm @3.2.7    9 years ago

No, it will give them something to do for the next 4 years.  Whine.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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3.2.11  Bob Nelson  replied to  Spikegary @3.2.9    9 years ago

As he said, Trump could shoot someone and not lose a single supporter.

 
 
 
Spikegary
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3.2.12  Spikegary  replied to  JohnRussell @3.2.3    9 years ago

Well, why don't they?  The Repubs like him just a hair more than the Dems do.

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
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3.2.13  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Bob Nelson @3.2    9 years ago
- Collusion with a hostile foreign power to subvert election results

Obstruction of justice. 

 
 
 
bugsy
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3.2.14  bugsy  replied to  Bob Nelson @3.2    9 years ago

He did? How so? Please be specific with your "facts".

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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3.2.15  Bob Nelson  replied to  bugsy @3.2.14    9 years ago

No.

If you need to ask, then either you should begin following the news, or you're being intentionally pig-headed. In either case, don't expect me to do your homework.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
3.3  Ozzwald  replied to  Sean Treacy @3    9 years ago
Impeach him for what? Dumb tweets?
  • Obstruction of justice.
  • Violating the emoluments clause of the Constitution.
  • Soliciting Russia to illegally effect the election.
  • Soliciting money from foreign countries for campaign funds.
  • Self admitted sexual assault.

Take your pick.

 
 
 
Rex Block
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3.3.1  Rex Block  replied to  Ozzwald @3.3    9 years ago

None of those are true or proven.

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
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3.3.2  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Rex Block @3.3.1    9 years ago
None of those are true or proven.

Do you have a crying room in your house?  If not, you're going to need one.  

 
 
 
Dulay
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3.3.3  Dulay  replied to  Rex Block @3.3.1    9 years ago
None of those are true or proven.

That's right! Even though Trump admitted that he said the disgusting shit on the Access Hollywood tape and apologized, he's now called for an investigation into whether it's his voice on the tape. 

You really cannot make this shit up. 

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
3.3.6  Ozzwald  replied to  Rex Block @3.3.1    9 years ago
None of those are true or proven.

Just exactly how deep is your head buried in the sand?

Head-in-the-Sand.jpg

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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3.3.7  Bob Nelson  replied to  Dulay @3.3.3    9 years ago

Even though Trump admitted that he said the disgusting shit on the Access Hollywood tape and apologized, he's now called for an investigation into whether it's his voice on the tape.

You really cannot make this shit up.

He also said that he could shoot someone on Fifth Avenue, and not lose a single supporter. And the Unthinking Faithful TM nod happily.

 
 
 
lennylynx
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3.3.9  lennylynx  replied to  Ozzwald @3.3.6    9 years ago

Pretty sure his head is buried somewhere else!

 
 
 
livefreeordie
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3.3.10  livefreeordie  replied to  Bob Nelson @3.3.7    9 years ago

None of that meets the standard for impeachment.  Impeachment is a political, not a criminal determination.  But even your accusations don't rise to criminality

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
3.3.11  Ozzwald  replied to  Have Opinion Will Travel @3.3.8    9 years ago
There was no obstruction of justice.  However if there were it would be because Comey hasn't been prosecuted yet.

Would you care to reveal the reason behind Comey's firing then?  The specific reason.

Emoluments is a bogus issue to start and only made by unhinged Democrats.

Okay, so you don't believe the Constitution should pertain to Trump?  Trump isn't making money from foreign government officials staying at his hotels?  Your head is deeper than I thought.

There was no foreign money solicitation except for that which clinton engaged in.

LOL, every time Trump screws up, RWNJ's claim "CLINTON"!!! 

Donald Trump keeps asking foreign leaders for money. The latest: Vicente Fox.

Finally, there is no impeachment for presidential pussy hounds.

There is for sexual assault.  His own statement showed that he did not ask permission to grab it, plus he admitted it and tried to apologize for it.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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3.3.17  Bob Nelson  replied to  LMM @3.3.16    9 years ago

It's interesting to take a step back, and observe the different kinds of posts we see here:
 - There are a very few (like you) who try to present pertinent data,
 - There are also a few who present data... knowing that it is at best misleading and sometimes downright false,
 - There are those who deflect from any topic where they think "their tribe" is in error,
 - There are those who simply deny reality, and stonewall.

ZERO conversation... But hey! That's what the Owner wants!

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
3.3.18  Ozzwald  replied to  Have Opinion Will Travel @3.3.12    9 years ago
Comey was completely corrupt m'fing POS.  HE should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

Too bad your opinion is not based on any facts that you could list, or else you would have.....wouldn't you?

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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3.3.19  Ozzwald  replied to  Have Opinion Will Travel @3.3.15    9 years ago
There was obviously no sexual assault

Would you like to provide some evidence to your claim?  I posted Trump, with his own words, to support my claim, what do you have to counter it?

 
 
 
Jonathan P
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4  Jonathan P    9 years ago

With all due respect, John, an impeachment that results in the removal of a sitting President is slightly less unsettling than an assassination.

The overriding factor in in the impeachment is that there is a process - a very wrenching process that causes even greater social stress than any of our allegedly stressful events in the recent past. It is the process that makes it less unsettling than an assassination, which is completely unexpected.

I'm sorry but I completely disagree.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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4.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Jonathan P @4    9 years ago

He is psychologically unfit to be president of the United States.

I would rather see him resign on his own, which I think is what will eventually happen, but impeachment should also be a possibility. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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4.1.2  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1    9 years ago

"The President of the United States just casually accused a congressman-turned-TV-host of murder because an intern died in his Florida office in 2001.

It is a terrible shame that we have to address the substance of this base smear, but these are the indignities forced upon all of us in the age of Donald Trump.

Lori Klausutis, 28, was found dead behind a desk. An autopsy was conducted: She had been feeling unwell; she had heart problems that caused her to fall and hit her head. That is what the medical examiner concluded, finding no signs of foul play.

There is no evidence connecting Scarborough, who barely knew Klausutis, to her death. None. Zero. Zip.

Just like there is no credible evidence connecting Donald Trump to the alleged rape of a 13-year-old girl in 1996, a crime of which he was accused in a since-dropped civil lawsuit that has never held up to scrutiny.

One might think a man falsely accused of such a serious crime, who pledged to “open up” libel laws to make it easier for public figures like him and Scarborough to sue people who spread lies about them, would think twice before hurling such an incendiary false charge at someone else.

To think that is to assume that Donald Trump is well. He is not well."

 
 
 
Dean Moriarty
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4.1.4  Dean Moriarty  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1    9 years ago

Good for him. 

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JohnRussell
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4.1.5  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Dean Moriarty @4.1.4    9 years ago

We can all be intrigued by him when he is a private citizen again. 

 
 
 
Jonathan P
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4.1.9  Jonathan P  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1    9 years ago

Pejoratives to not equate to qualified professional opinions.

As I've previously stipulated, he does conduct himself like an asshole at times. This does not mean he's insane, and it does not equate to an impeachable offense.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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4.1.10  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Jonathan P @4.1.9    9 years ago

A group of psychiatrists and psychologists wrote a book laying out the case for trump's mental illness. 

The New York Times bestseller! More than two dozen psychiatrists and psychologists offer their consensus view that Trump's mental state presents a clear and present danger to our nation and individual well-being.

This is not normal.

Since the start of Donald Trump’s presidential run, one question has quietly but urgently permeated the observations of concerned citizens: What is wrong with him? Constrained by the American Psychiatric Association’s “Goldwater rule,” which inhibits mental health professionals from diagnosing public figures they have not personally examined, many of those qualified to answer this question have shied away from discussing the issue at all. The public has thus been left to wonder whether he is mad, bad, or both.

In THE DANGEROUS CASE OF DONALD TRUMP, twenty-seven psychiatrists, psychologists, and other mental health experts argue that, in Mr. Trump’s case, their moral and civic “duty to warn” America supersedes professional neutrality. They then explore Trump’s symptoms and potentially relevant diagnoses to find a complex, if also dangerously mad, man.

Philip Zimbardo and Rosemary Sword, for instance, explain Trump’s impulsivity in terms of “unbridled and extreme present hedonism.” Craig Malkin writes on pathological narcissism and politics as a lethal mix. Gail Sheehy, on a lack of trust that exceeds paranoia. Lance Dodes, on sociopathy. Robert Jay Lifton, on the “malignant normality” that can set in everyday life if psychiatrists do not speak up.

His madness is catching, too. From the trauma people have experienced under the Trump administration to the cult-like characteristics of his followers, he has created unprecedented mental health consequences across our nation and beyond.

It’s not all in our heads. It’s in his.

"There will not be a book published this fall more urgent, important, or controversial than The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump ...profound, illuminating and discomforting" ―Bill Moyers

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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4.1.12  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Jonathan P @4.1.9    9 years ago

Yeah, they are not "supposed" to do this. But I guess they thought it was important enough to do that they disregarded the norms of their profession. 

He doesn't belong in the presidency. Everyone knows it. His replacement would be another conservative Republican, so what are we waiting for? 

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
4.1.15  Ozzwald  replied to  Texan1211 @4.1.11    9 years ago
Funny, I have never once heard of a doctor making a diagnosis without examining a patient or reviewing a medical file.

Well here you go then .  

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Dulay
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4.1.17  Dulay  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.12    9 years ago
But I guess they thought it was important enough to do that they disregarded the norms of their profession.

'They' have been disregarding the norms of their profession for over a decade. Every one of 'them' that participated in torture and mistreatment perpetrated by the CIA and the military should have lost their license to practice. 

 
 
 
Rex Block
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4.1.18  Rex Block  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.10    9 years ago

You have described the Clinton's exactly!

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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4.1.19  Bob Nelson  replied to  Rex Block @4.1.18    9 years ago

An apostrophe indicates possessive. Simple plural never has an apostrophe.

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
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4.1.20  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Texan1211 @4.1.1    9 years ago
Trump isn't any more crazy than most members of Congress.

That's a perfect specimen of what's known as  "damning by faint praise."  

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
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4.1.21  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Texan1211 @4.1.6    9 years ago
Seems like you are pretty darn intrigued by him now, based purely on your posts.

That's funny from someone who still can get over Obama having pulled this country out of the second worse economic collapse in our history.  Are you a birther, too?  

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
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4.1.22  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Jonathan P @4.1.9    9 years ago
This does not mean he's insane, and it does not equate to an impeachable offense.

His psychological unfitness to be president is a matter for the 25th amendment to remedy.  He's already got plenty of "misdemeanors" for impeachment and the "high crimes" are imminent.  

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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5  Jeremy Retired in NC    9 years ago

I find it a bit odd that many of these blithering blowhards that want to impeach the President, just a year ago were yelling "NOT MY PRESIDENT".  Did they come to a realization that , yes, Trump is their President. 

Now, they have to understand that  saying mean things, not playing the PC game and being "nuts" isn't an impeachable offense.  

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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5.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @5    9 years ago
" being "nuts" isn't an impeachable offense."

  that should be his re-election slogan

crazy

 
 
 
It Is ME
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5.1.3  It Is ME  replied to  Release The Kraken @5.1.1    9 years ago
if Hillary runs again.

I wouldn't put it past her party to do that. Talk about Nutz !!!!!!

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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5.1.6  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Texan1211 @5.1.2    9 years ago

They seem to be coming around.  Slowly.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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5.1.7  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1    9 years ago

And I'd bet that he could still beat Hillary Clinton with it.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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5.1.8  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @5.1.6    9 years ago

Yeah. A major American newspaper editorialized yesterday that the sitting president of the United States is a madman. 

Everyone is coming around to your point of view. Sure. lol. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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5.1.12  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  XDm9mm @5.1.10    9 years ago

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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5.1.13  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.8    9 years ago
A major American newspaper editorialized yesterday that the sitting president of the United States is a madman.

The link itself shows it's opinion and you take it as fact.  Do you turn right or left at the unicorn to get home?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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5.1.14  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @5.1.13    9 years ago

It is an editorial by the newspaper. I guess all editorials are opinion pieces. So what? 

They put the weight and reputation of their organization behind the opinion. That is what a newspaper editorial is. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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5.1.15  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @5.1.13    9 years ago

The link itself shows it's opinion and you take it as fact.  Do you turn right or left at the unicorn to get home?

Jeremy, you say the silliest things. Take a deep breath and think before the next time you post to me. 

 
 
 
It Is ME
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5.1.16  It Is ME  replied to  Texan1211 @5.1.5    9 years ago
Maybe they believe that the third time's the charm!

(((((((Shiver))))))).......... They'll believe anything...Just look at what they've put their collective minds together on this year. Absolutely NOTHING !

 
 
 
It Is ME
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5.1.17  It Is ME  replied to  Release The Kraken @5.1.4    9 years ago
Rumor is they are trying to get OJ to run as a democrat.

Okay....that is definitely a barf moment. vomit  I bow to you

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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5.1.19  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.15    9 years ago
Jeremy, you say the silliest things.

Ever notice it's in response to the silly seeds you post?  

 
 
 
It Is ME
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5.1.20  It Is ME  replied to  XDm9mm @5.1.11    9 years ago
Hell even Harvey Weinstein or Matt Laurer could beat Hillary....

At least they apologized ? laughing dude

I'm waiting for Hillary's apology to her constituents for her Fucked Up run at President. patience

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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5.1.21  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  XDm9mm @5.1.18    9 years ago

I am not disputing that the New York Daily News editorial saying Trump is a madman is their opinion. 

They also backed up their opinion with facts from the last couple days Trump related events. 

But no one is forcing you to be realistic. Stay in your Trumpster bubble. It's still all going to blow up in your face , whether you come to terms with it or not. 

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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5.1.22  Bob Nelson  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.8    9 years ago
A major American newspaper...

Ummm... John?

The event is significant because no media outlet is more rabidly right-wing than the Daily News ... but calling that rag a "major American newspaper" is a pretty serious insult to American newspapers. confused

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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5.1.23  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Bob Nelson @5.1.22    9 years ago

Bob, you are thinking of the NY Post, which is sort of a newspaper version of Fox News. 

The New York Daily News is moderately center /liberal I believe. 

Maybe Perrie who lives in NY can give a more accurate depiction. 

 
 
 
Capt. Cave Man
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5.1.24  Capt. Cave Man  replied to  It Is ME @5.1.20    9 years ago
I'm waiting for Hillary's apology to her constituents for her Fucked Up run at President

I'm waiting for the women to start coming out of the woodwork accusing Hillary of sexual misconduct and assault.

 
 
 
It Is ME
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5.1.25  It Is ME  replied to  Capt. Cave Man @5.1.24    9 years ago
I'm waiting for the women to start coming out of the woodwork accusing Hillary of sexual misconduct and assault.

Apparently....Even Bill had to go elsewhere. blushing

Just don't see that happening. thumbs down

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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5.1.26  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  It Is ME @5.1.25    9 years ago

It's sad, but still a little amusing, to watch these right wingers constantly revert to Hillary Clinton to deflect from the disastrous inadequacies and incredible failings of the president. 

They stick their fingers in their ears and babble  ..."na na na na na .. Hillary Hillary Hillary". 

not listening

 
 
 
It Is ME
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5.1.27  It Is ME  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.26    9 years ago
to watch these right wingers constantly revert to Hillary Clinton

You should speak to Hillary and let her know she LOST the election. She just can't enough of seeing HERSELF on the National Stage.

I have an idea when you meet with her....be a bit subtle though....you don't want her to get upset.....but....just whisper to her these few meaningful words...... STFU for ONCE !

 
 
 
Jasper2529
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5.1.33  Jasper2529  replied to  Texan1211 @5.1.29    9 years ago
the left-wing media still trots Abuela out whenever they can.

And Abuela hasn't stopped trotting herself out on her endless "book tour" photo ops. 

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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5.1.34  Bob Nelson  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.23    9 years ago

Or I might be fifty years out of date... I sometimes forget that lots of stuff happened during the decades I was gone...

 
 
 
It Is ME
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5.1.36  It Is ME  replied to  XDm9mm @5.1.31    9 years ago
Can you really blame Bill?

I only blamed Bill for being a slut in the now known as "The ORAL office".

An Old Fashion can be a nice thing. blushing

 
 
 
It Is ME
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5.1.37  It Is ME  replied to  XDm9mm @5.1.30    9 years ago
She engaged in an extended nap as she was 100% positive that she would have her coronation on January 20th that doing anything besides napping would be a waste of time.

Eyes wide SHUT !

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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5.1.38  Bob Nelson  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.26    9 years ago
They stick their fingers in their ears and babble...

They have nothing to say.

How would you go about defending Trump? Tough job!

It's so-o-o-o much easier to attack attack attack... Swift-boat was their invention, after all...

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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5.1.39  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Bob Nelson @5.1.38    9 years ago

I couldn't defend Trump with a straight face. I have a shred of integrity. 

 
 
 
Jasper2529
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5.1.40  Jasper2529  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.26    9 years ago
It's sad, but still a little amusing, to watch these right wingers constantly revert to Hillary Clinton to deflect from the disastrous inadequacies and incredible failings of the president.

Nah ... Hillary's monumental ego is still trying to figure out "What Happened". That's why she's still blaming everyone and everything for her SECOND historical presidential loss. This time around, she even blamed her good buddies Putin and Obama -- imagine that! 

Hillary turned herself into 2017's international and national laughingstock, but she doesn't care. It's the only way she can egotistically ensure that her name, face, and pantsuits can be in full view of the media. 

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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5.1.41  Bob Nelson  replied to  Jasper2529 @5.1.40    9 years ago
It's sad, but still a little amusing, to watch these right wingers constantly revert to Hillary Clinton to deflect from the disastrous inadequacies and incredible failings of the president.

Nah ... Hillary's monumental ego is still trying to...

That's so-o-o-o cool and so-o-o-o oblivious! You disagree about always deflecting to Hillary by... deflecting to Hillary!

Fabulous!

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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5.1.42  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Bob Nelson @5.1.41    9 years ago
That's so-o-o-o cool and so-o-o-o oblivious! You disagree about always deflecting to Hillary by... deflecting to Hillary!

It IS weird that they seem so oblivious. 

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
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5.2  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @5    9 years ago
I find it a bit odd that many of these blithering blowhards that want to impeach the President, just a year ago were yelling "NOT MY PRESIDENT".  Did they come to a realization that , yes, Trump is their President.

Ahhh, Jeremy.  Sometimes your way of playing with words is downright adorable.  

 
 
 
Tacos!
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6  Tacos!    9 years ago

it would mean less danger of an accidental war with North Korea

I don't think there is a shred of evidence to support that. And anyway, what is the real goal with North Korea? Is it to avoid war? Not exactly. The real goal is - or at least should be - to deprive North Korea of the means to attack other countries with nuclear weapons. If we can only accomplish that with a limited, conventional war, wouldn't you rather go to war?

Furthermore, there is ample evidence that other approaches - such as Obama's "Strategic Patience" policy, sanctions, and negotiations - have only served to enable North Korea in their quest to put a nuclear weapon on the end of an ICBM. You don't get to blame Donald Trump for 60 years of ineptitude by the political establishment.

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
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6.1  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Tacos! @6    9 years ago
I don't think there is a shred of evidence to support that.

I guess the only evidence you'd accept would be that NK nuke hitting the US but a lot of people would like to avoid that evidence. 

 
 
 
Tacos!
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6.1.1  Tacos!  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @6.1    9 years ago
I guess the only evidence you'd accept would be that NK nuke hitting the US

That wouldn't be evidence that Trump caused it. What is your evidence that Trump is making things worse. Are you prepared to argue that things were humming along nicely until Trump came along?

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
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6.1.2  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Tacos! @6.1.1    9 years ago
What is your evidence that Trump is making things worse.

The fact that every time he opens his yap or paws out some idiotic tweet, NK shoots of yet another missile.  Let's assume for the sake of discussion that Un is the only one of two men who's really crazy.  Why would you keep poking a crazy man with a bunch of nukes?  Trump seems to think that he looks tough but if there's anything we've learned about the NKans is they aren't deterred by threats.  In fact, it appears they actually feed off them.  

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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7  1stwarrior    9 years ago

Did you know that a large group of Baboons are called a Congress?  Well, that explains a lot now, doesn't it?

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
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7.1  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  1stwarrior @7    9 years ago

I believe that's also the name for a large group of crows.  Or, maybe it's a parliament.  Never mind. 

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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7.1.1  Bob Nelson  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @7.1    9 years ago

I think it's "a murder of crows". Great for authors of whodunnits.

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
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7.1.2  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Bob Nelson @7.1.1    9 years ago
I think it's "a murder of crows".

I've seen that one, too, but in my extensive research of this subject (5 minutes on the intertubes yesterday) I found that although that's the one most people have heard about,  it isn't one that serious birders use.  In fact, all of the terms for groups of animals seem to have been made up as jokes or for the purposes of trivia games:

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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7.1.3  Bob Nelson  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @7.1.2    9 years ago

Are you the Grinch's first cousin??

... all my illusions...

Good article at the end of the link, though.  Wink

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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7.2  Bob Nelson  replied to  1stwarrior @7    9 years ago
... a large group of Baboons are called a Congress...

Excellent!

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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8  1stwarrior    9 years ago

Wouldn't a more appropriate name for those in DC be a "Gaggle" (an often noisy or disorderly group or gathering)????

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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8.1  Bob Nelson  replied to  1stwarrior @8    9 years ago
Wouldn't a more appropriate name for those in DC be a "Gaggle" (an often noisy or disorderly group or gathering)????

"Gaggle" is the collective noun for geese. So... a "gaggle of Congresspeople" would work very well!  I bow to you

 
 

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