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Report : Kushner Instructed Flynn To Contact Russians About UN Vote While Obama Adminstration Was Still In Power

  

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Via:  johnrussell  •  9 years ago  •  47 comments

Report : Kushner Instructed Flynn To Contact Russians About UN Vote While Obama Adminstration Was Still In Power

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/kushner-senior-transition-official-told-flynn-contact-russia

It was reportedly Jared Kushner who directed Mike Flynn to call officials from Russia and other countries regarding an Israel-related UN Security Council resolution weeks before President Donald Trump took office, according to a slew of reports out Friday.

An unnamed individual referred to only as a “very senior member of the Presidential Transition Team” emerged in charging documents filed Friday by Special Counsel Robert Mueller as part of Flynn’s plea deal for lying to the FBI about his contacts with Russian officials.

The Washington Post ,  NBC ,  Buzzfeed and Bloomberg’s Eli Lake spoke to sources who identified Trump’s son-in-law and close adviser as the “very senior member” who told Flynn to try to delay a vote on a resolution critical of Israeli settlement construction.





“Jared called Flynn and told him you need to get on the phone to every member of the Security Council and tell them to delay the vote,” a person who was in the room with Flynn told Buzzfeed, adding that Kushner emphasized that the move “was a top priority for the President.”

That tracks with what a former transition official told Bloomberg about Kushner ordering Flynn to ask every foreign minister or ambassador from a country on the council to delay or oppose the resolution, which condemned Israeli housing construction in East Jerusalem and the occupied West Bank as a violation of international law.

Trump and Kushner both have warm relationships with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who fervently opposed the resolution.

Flynn’s statement of offense says that he contacted Russia’s then-ambassador to the U.S., Sergey Kislyak, to make his request on Dec. 22, spoke to him about it again on Dec. 29, and subsequently lied about it in an interview with federal agents.

Kushner reportedly met with Mueller’s team in November for an interview that focused primarily on Flynn’s Russia contacts.

Former prosecutors told TPM that the generous terms of Flynn’s plea deal suggest he must have critical information about other Trump officials even closer to the center of power than he was. Kushner fits that bill.


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JohnRussell
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1  seeder  JohnRussell    9 years ago

Ted Lieu Retweeted CNN International

My prediction? The next time agents & prosecutors for Special Counsel Mueller interview , they will read him his Miranda rights.

Ted Lieu added,

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2  seeder  JohnRussell    9 years ago

Trump's team was attempting to conduct rogue foreign policy while the Obama administration was still in office, including attempting to influence a United Nations vote.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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2.1  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  JohnRussell @2    9 years ago

Trying to pre-establish relations as the inauguration was but a month away. you don't wait until the day after to open up the dialog.............

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3  seeder  JohnRussell    9 years ago

Jared Kushner almost certainly broke the law.  The next question is, how much does he love his wife?  Will he go to prison for her father?

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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3.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @3    9 years ago

What law? 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.1.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.1    9 years ago

§ 953. Private correspondence with foreign governments.

Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both. This section shall not abridge the right of a citizen to apply himself, or his agent, to any foreign government, or the agents thereof, for redress of any injury which he may have sustained from such government or any of its agents or subjects.

1 Stat. 613, January 30, 1799, codified at 18 U.S.C. § 953 (2004).

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.1.2  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.1    9 years ago

Here’s how the Times laid out the context:

In one of the conversations described in court documents, the men discussed an upcoming United Nations Security Council vote on whether to condemn Israel’s building of settlements. At the time, the Obama administration was preparing to allow a Security Council vote on the matter .

Mr. Mueller’s investigators have learned through witnesses and documents that Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel asked the Trump transition team to lobby other countries to help Israel, according to two people briefed on the inquiry. Investigators have learned that Mr. Flynn and Mr. Trump’s son-in-law and senior adviser, Jared Kushner, took the lead in those efforts. Mr. Mueller’s team has emails that show Mr. Flynn saying he would work to kill the vote , the people briefed on the matter said.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.1.3  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.1    9 years ago

"No doubt, you will hear Israel apologists argue that the Logan Act claim is specious since the resolution ended up passing anyway.  They will claim that the Trump machinations were an abject failure, so its actions should be mitigated by this fact.  But Logan doesn’t make allowances for whether a betrayal of U.S. interests is successful or not.  The very act of sabotage is itself the offense.

It’s clear in this case that Mueller will not use Logan as the direct charge in court to prosecute Flynn or Kushner.  As I mentioned, a violation of the Act alone has never led to a conviction.  But lying about one’s action pursuant to a Logan Act violation is an eminently prosecutable offense.  That’s perjury and a standard federal case.  This is what Flynn has confessed to.

Next up, without doubt, will be Kushner.  He’s next in Mueller’s sites.  But unlike Flynn, he can’t cop a plea.  If he did so, this would lead directly to Trump, since Kushner without doubt pursued this matter under direct order from Trump.  Kushner must protect the big guy.  That’s why it’s likely Mueller will actually file charges against Kushner, indict him and prosecute him.  Whether he wins the case will determine whether Trump goes down as the next target."

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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3.1.4  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.2    9 years ago

So the first successful prosecution in the history of the Logan Act (on the books since 1799) will be of an adviser to an elected President? Was the First Amendment repealed at some point last year?

If the only actual underlying  crime  Mueller can find is an alleged Logan Act violation, his investigation is a joke. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.1.5  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.1.4    9 years ago

When they asked Kushner if he instructed Michael Flynn to contact the Russians , what do you think Kushner said? Do you think he admitted it or do you think he lied? To the FBI.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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3.1.6  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.5    9 years ago

Kushner is so incompetent that he may be too stupid to actually commit perjury.  Nothing he does or did would surprise me.

But where's the collusion? Where's the underlying crime? Liberals and their friends in the media have been talking it up like a proven fact since the election and this is the payoff?  

Seriously, if this amounts to prosecutions of "process crimes" because of  a b.s. Logan Act violation that would never survive judicial scrutiny then  Mueller  will be a laughingstock. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.1.7  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.1.6    9 years ago

It seems that Netanyahu may have asked Trump and Kushner to subvert the foreign policy of the president of the United States. And they complied.  You think that is a trifling matter?

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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3.1.8  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.7    9 years ago

Of course. Trump was the President elect and its common sense that he would not want his predecessor to wreck relations with foreign powers out of spite during his last few days in office.  Letting foreign countries know what the positions of the US Government will be for the next four years and asking them to maintain the status quo and avoid rash, stupid actions is both common sense and common practice. . 

 If asking other countries to maintain the status quo and protect an ally  is the sum of his wrongdoing, you have zero chance of removing him from office. 

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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3.1.9  Bob Nelson  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.1.8    9 years ago
Letting foreign countries know what the positions of the US Government will be for the next four years and asking them to maintain the status quo and avoid rash, stupid actions is both common sense and common practice.

Of course. And this is normally done out in the open... not in secret. The whole idea is to announce to the whole world what the next four years will be.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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3.1.10  Sean Treacy  replied to  Bob Nelson @3.1.9    9 years ago

It was done in the open. It was all over the coverage at the time,

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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4  Bob Nelson    9 years ago

This would be great fun if it weren't for what's happening on Capitol Hill.

 
 
 
Rmando
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5  Rmando    9 years ago

So Kushner is guilty of helping out the only modern democracy in the Middle East while Obama was trying to help a terrorist sponsoring country that has no respect for human rights?

Good for Kushner.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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5.1  Bob Nelson  replied to  Rmando @5    9 years ago

Obama is gone. Kushner is now. Can we talk about Kushner please?  patience

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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5.1.1  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Bob Nelson @5.1    9 years ago

Ummmm I think he just did. Obama only entered the post as a modern "comparison".

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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5.1.2  Bob Nelson  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @5.1.1    9 years ago

No, actually.

He cited X as having screwed up (Obama, in this case) as though that somehow validates what Y (Kushner) did later. In fact, there's no connection whatsoever between the two. It's a smokescreen, a deflection. An attempt to avoid talking about Kushner.

 
 
 
Rmando
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5.1.3  Rmando  replied to  Bob Nelson @5.1.2    9 years ago

All politics is connected. And the funny thing is all this happened (allegedly) AFTER the election. Still no smoking gun that Russia somehow handed the election to Trump.

 
 
 
lennylynx
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5.1.4  lennylynx  replied to  Rmando @5.1.3    9 years ago

Trump is going down for obstruction of justice and money laundering, mark my words.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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5.1.5  Bob Nelson  replied to  Rmando @5.1.3    9 years ago

All these Trump people suddenly said to themselves one day, "Hey! Let's go talk to the Russians, whom we've never had any contact with. They're sure to have lots of great ideas for... ... well..."

Credible.

 
 
 
lennylynx
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5.1.8  lennylynx  replied to    9 years ago

No, i didn't, I never said he was going down for collusion at all.  Why are you lying and saying I said something that I did not?  The Trump team has ADMITTED collusion with Russia, but that isn't what Trump is in big trouble over, never was, it may not even be illegal.  Once again, why are you posting lies about me?

 
 
 
Rmando
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5.1.9  Rmando  replied to  lennylynx @5.1.4    9 years ago

I'm sure Trump just acted "extremely careless". Btw when are Democrats like Feinstein going down for sending a threatening letter to the IG that investigated Clinton and gave her a scathing report?

 
 
 
Rmando
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5.1.10  Rmando  replied to  Bob Nelson @5.1.5    9 years ago

Maybe it's the same Russians the DNC paid off for their fake dossier.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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5.1.11  Bob Nelson  replied to  Release The Kraken @5.1.7    9 years ago

Oh, c'mon Bf.... That is so-o-o-o weak! You should be embarrassed. I expect you to be clever, at least.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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6  seeder  JohnRussell    9 years ago

Until Trump took office, no one speaking for Trump had any authority to conduct US foreign policy.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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6.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @6    9 years ago

Good look hanging your hat on a mythical Logan Act violation.  After 200 plus years, this is going to be the case that that gets a conviction. Sure.   

Were you advocating Obama resign for reaching out to Iran before he was inaugurated? The idea that an elected President can't communicate his views to other countries is simply preposterous. 

 
 
 
magnoliaave
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7  magnoliaave    9 years ago

You know, I am not brightest light bulb in the room as most of you will agree, so, leave your comments on that out.

However, I am really distressed on what is going on. 

What I would like, if at all possible, would be for a conservative and a liberal to point out the facts as presented to us.  No hate involved, no Obama, Clinton and no he said/she said.  And, no opinions unless they are based on facts.

Do you think that could be accomplished? I hope so. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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7.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  magnoliaave @7    9 years ago

After the election, Obama made it clear that he was going to reverse the US's decades long position on Israel and suddenly abstain on a motion to sanction Israel that Obama masterminded.

Trump, about to becomes President, wanted to postpone the UN vote a few weeks until he was in office. The incoming Trump administration reached out to at least 12 countries, including Russia, to inform them of the new administration's position on the issue. That Trump opposed the sanctions and tried to stop their imposition was public knowledge at the time. 

As part of the outreach, Flynn talked to the Russian Ambassador about it. When questioned about talking to the Russian ambassador by the FBI, Flynn lied about it. 

Now Flynn plead guilty for lying to the FBI. That's it.  

 
 
 
magnoliaave
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7.1.1  magnoliaave  replied to  Sean Treacy @7.1    9 years ago

Thank you. 

I just don't understand why he felt it necessary to lie.  Never remember a lie serving a person well. 

 
 
 
Uncle Bruce
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8  Uncle Bruce    9 years ago
This iframe is not allowed

Leon Panetta: It’s a ‘Stretch’ to Say Trump Team Broke Law With Russian Contacts

Leon Panetta, President Obama’s former Secretary of Defense, told NBC’s Chuck Todd on Friday that it was a “stretch” to say the Trump transition team broke the law with their contacts with the Russians.

“We have one administration at a time,” Panetta said, warning that the Trump transition team undermined long-standing political norms in the United States by engaging in diplomacy while the Obama administration was still in office.

However, the former defense secretary doubted that dealings with the Russians rose to the level of criminal violations.

“[Their contact with Russia] was very unusual. Whether it breaks the law or not, I think that’s probably a stretch,” Panetta predicted.

 
 
 
Uncle Bruce
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8.1  Uncle Bruce  replied to  Uncle Bruce @8    9 years ago

So basically we have what, 2 guilty pleas to lying to the FBI, and 2 indictments for money laundering years before the campaign.  Still not seeing any collusion. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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8.1.3  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Uncle Bruce @8.1    9 years ago

I think that Mueller has determined that it is his role in all this to try and get rid of Donald Trump from the national political stage, and he is going to do whatever he can.  I wish him good luck and god speed. 

 
 
 
Uncle Bruce
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8.1.4  Uncle Bruce  replied to  JohnRussell @8.1.3    9 years ago

John, do you also believe in Santa and the Easter Bunny?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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8.1.5  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Uncle Bruce @8.1.4    9 years ago

Mueller is getting up in years a little. He wants to do one more great thing for the country before he rides into the sunset. Getting rid of Trump would fit that bill, and more.

 
 
 
tomwcraig
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8.1.7  tomwcraig  replied to  Release The Kraken @8.1.6    9 years ago

He's not taking a break he's suffering from lack of a Snickers:

 
 
 
The Magic 8 Ball
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9  The Magic 8 Ball    9 years ago

LOL

every transition team for every administration has done the same.   

(it would be lackadaisical not too)

 
 

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