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NC man accused of desecrating a jail inmate’s Quran with ‘a sex act’

  

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Via:  buzz-of-the-orient  •  9 years ago  •  47 comments

NC man accused of desecrating a jail inmate’s Quran with ‘a sex act’







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Buzz of the Orient
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2  seeder  Buzz of the Orient    9 years ago

Ethnic intimidation? Was the cellmate threatened? Is disrespect a crime? Is blasphemy a crime? Since it is not against the law to burn the Stars and Stripes, would it be against the law if I were to use it to wipe my ass after defecating?  Is it a crime to piss on a copy of the bible, or on a Torah?  If not, why is that man charged with an offence?  Is this yet another small step towards the Islamization of America?

 
 
 
Another Fine Mess
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2.1  Another Fine Mess  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @2    9 years ago

Ownership seems key in these matters, the American pastor Terry Jones burned Qurans on multiple occasions. 

It should be noted that in Britain a man and woman were arrested for burning a Quran, and posting the video on youtube.

Should an individual be free to disrespect any religion?

I believe so, but in Britain this is not the case. Even though we no longer have blasphemy laws, such acts if publicised can be regarded as a hate crime.

I would suggest that this isn't the path America should follow.

 
 
 
Another Fine Mess
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2.1.2  Another Fine Mess  replied to    9 years ago
Nor should the UK continue on this path.

It's too late for Britain, we're so far down this path of good intentions, that I fear there is no reasonable way back.

The UK government is spending more £ on policing words on social media than they are tracking down those 400 ISIS fighters that have returned from Syria and Iraq.

There's few new votes in tracking ISIS fighters. Besides, didn't you know, Islam is a religion of peace.

As an aside, is anyone interested in buying a bridge?

 
 
 
Another Fine Mess
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2.1.6  Another Fine Mess  replied to  LMM @2.1.3    9 years ago

  it would seem more that Britain is a model of integration.

Hardly

 

Even individuals like Trevor Phillips, ex chair of the CRE, has realised multiculturalism has failed the very people it was meant to help.

However I digress

In the context of the discussion here, I feel there should never be a right not to be offended.

Freedom of speech is a core support for all our other freedoms, in Britain I feel that freedom is badly compromised. Today it maybe in ways that most people would agree with, but Governments shouldn't be in the business of restricting our freedoms of speech. Once you've given them the power to do so, you may not like where it leads.

Let me ask you a question, what do you think Islamophobia means, what is its actual definition?

 
 
 
Another Fine Mess
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2.1.11  Another Fine Mess  replied to  LMM @2.1.8    9 years ago
Well, thanks for the poll, but citing a poll about what people think is more akin to thought police.

Why the deflection?

Don't you support Gay rights?

Don't you support Women's rights?

Would you feel the need to deflect if the survey had been done on right wing Christians?

  British Muslims are integrated throughout Britain, as I said, to repeat: the mayor of London, police, business people, all over you find British Muslims--working, going about their lives. 

I'm British, and the survey disagrees with your claims, as does Trevor Phillips, or are you claiming you know more than the ex chair of the CRE?

Here's Trevor Phillips on the failure of integration

Please note this section

He called for a new, tougher approach to integration and the abandonment of “the failed policy of multiculturalism" .

It's not in your link--in your link Philips says there should be " a far more muscular approach to integration” -- a tacit support of the effort. 

That wasn't all of the sentence or paragraph was it, see below

“The integration of Britain’s Muslims will probably be the hardest task we’ve ever faced. It will require the abandonment of the milk-and-water multiculturalism still so beloved of many, and the adoption of a far more muscular approach to integration.”

By the way you didn't answer,  what do you think Islamophobia means, what is its actual definition?

 
 
 
Another Fine Mess
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2.1.13  Another Fine Mess  replied to  LMM @2.1.12    9 years ago
Apparently you have no idea what that is, since 90% of your post is deflection and 0% to my point.

Yet more deflection, and an outright falsehood.

Did you not ask

BTW, where do you get the claim that Trevor Philips says multiculturalism has failed? It's not in your link--in your link Philips says there should be "a far more muscular approach to integration” -- a tacit support of the effort. 

Did I not provide a direct answer, with a link?

As I did that makes your "since 90% of your post is deflection and 0% to my point." a falsehood.

Did you not say

"What people think is not the same as the reality of integration on the ground."

Did I not provide a linked article on integration?

As I did that makes your " since 90% of your post is deflection and 0% to my point." a falsehood.

Since YOU brought up this deflection/whataboutism, let's run with it: are you saying that right wing Christians should not be society, are not integrated into society, if their opinion polls show them holding extreme opinions?

If the right wing Christians where primarily a minority immigrant group I would say yes, they weren't integrated. See how easy it actually answer, let's see you try.

As for the "should not be society" these are your words, not mine. 

Kindly show me where I said Muslims "should not be society", or is this another falsehood?

No, that would be foolish, right? Just as foolish as your assertion about Muslims

As I answered yes, they wouldn't be integrated the above is a complete and utter fail. try again.

 
 
 
Another Fine Mess
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2.1.14  Another Fine Mess  replied to  LMM @2.1.12    9 years ago
Why are you asking me about my opinion of gay rights, women's rights? Talk about a huge digression.

Given I've connected them to the question "Would you feel the need to deflect if the survey had been done on right wing Christians?" are you seriously trying to claim you don't see the point? I note you didn't answer in any meaningful way, so, you've moved from deflection into avoidance.

If this were a survey on ring wing Christians, would you really be trying to argue that polls are "Well, thanks for the poll, but citing a poll about what people think is more akin to thought police" really?

Would that make groups like the Pew Research Center the thought police? Or is it merely citing their polls that's "akin to thought police"? 

Would that make everyone that has ever cited a poll on NT "akin to thought police"?

Same for your demand of my definition of Islamophobia.

I'm curious, asking question is one way of learning things, I note again you've avoided answering.

Please note corrections

If the right wing Christians where primarily a minority immigrant group I would say yes, they weren't integrated. See how easy it actually answer, let's see you try.

This should read, See how easy it is to actually answer.

and

where should read were.

 
 
 
Another Fine Mess
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2.1.16  Another Fine Mess  replied to  LMM @2.1.15    9 years ago
In fact RW Christians with extreme opinions are a minority, but they are integrated into society, so you've disproved your own point.

I said "If the right wing Christians where primarily a minority immigrant group I would say yes, they weren't integrated."

But now that you've changed the example to "minority immigrant group", I guess we can see that your real issue is not with the attitudes or integration, but with specifically immigrants. Another veer in subject, from British Muslims in general to immigrants.

Apples for apples, what part of that concept don't you understand? We are after all discussing a primarily immigrant group.

Your article cited is mainly a repetition of the same poll! Philips says there should be better integration. Sure, we can agree on that. But maybe you missed this part in your article:

You asked "BTW, where do you get the claim that Trevor Philips says multiculturalism has failed?" I provided a link. what part of this don't you understand?

Was that really all he said, be honest did he not say "“In my view, we have to adopt a far more muscular approach to integration than ever, replacing the failed policy of multiculturalism.”" You asked where he said this, I provided it, well?

Hmm sounds like British Muslims are prouder Brits than your average non-Muslim fish-and-chips eater. 

Cherry picking isn't going to help you either.

Maybe that's why they're so successful in being London mayors, police officers, government clerks, restauranteers, bus drivers, teachers, etc etc.

So if I look at the figures Muslim will be the top earners in Britain will they?

They will be over represented in the workforce, and under represented in prison?

 
 
 
Another Fine Mess
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2.1.17  Another Fine Mess  replied to  LMM @2.1.10    9 years ago
Ooh! A video about one incident used to slam an entire population?

Rather like using a single Muslim Mayor as a success story for an entire population.

You see it works both ways.

Unfortunately, this isn't the only example of Islamic terrorism.

 
 
 
Another Fine Mess
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2.1.18  Another Fine Mess  replied to  LMM @2.1.15    9 years ago
I guess we can see that your real issue is not with the attitudes or integration, but with specifically immigrants. Another veer in subject, from British Muslims in general to immigrants.

This is the group under discussion, the majority are immigrants, apples for apples, what part of that don't you understand?

So, you've moved on from avoidance to false claims. I'm British, I live in Britain. I'm willing to listen to informed people like Trevor Phillips who has a long track record at the highest level in race relations in Britain, but as I don't agree with your position, It has to be about immigration. 

 
 
 
SteevieGee
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2.1.19  SteevieGee  replied to    9 years ago

London Bridge is actually in Arizona.

 
 
 
Another Fine Mess
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2.1.24  Another Fine Mess  replied to  LMM @2.1.23    9 years ago
Unfortunate to see yet another dishonest arguer. I clearly did not use a single example, I said "the mayor of London, police, business people, all over you find British Muslims--working, going about their lives." And "London mayors, police officers, government clerks, restauranteers, bus drivers, teachers, etc" So, a lie by you. Typical but sad.

No, as I said, the mentioned terrorist attack wasn't the only example. It doesn't matter if you're making positive or negative examples, it's the same.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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2.2  sandy-2021492  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @2    9 years ago
would it be against the law if I were to use it to wipe my ass after defecating?  Is it a crime to piss on a copy of the bible, or on a Torah?  If not, why is that man charged with an offence?

Not it it is one's own flag, or one's own book.  This was not the case here.

Gaston County Jail records show it is the seventh time Compton has been arrested in Gaston County in the past two years. The charges range from larceny to breaking and entering.

A criminal committed a crime yet again, and is being charged with doing so.  In this case, it seems to have been motivated by racial and religious bigotry.  Are we really expected to ignore that just because the victim was Muslim?  I know from past conversations that you're against burning the flag, even when it's one's own property.  Are you really going to defend destroying the property of another, when that property is likely as dear to him as a flag?

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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2.2.1  seeder  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  sandy-2021492 @2.2    9 years ago

A charge of "ethnic intimidation" is overstating, due to the supersensitivity when it comes to a specific religion. I see it as either vandalism or freedom of expression, nothing more.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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2.2.2  sandy-2021492  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @2.2.1    9 years ago

Freedom of expression does not extend to vandalism.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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2.2.3  seeder  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  sandy-2021492 @2.2.2    9 years ago

Seems like a lot of people who have been protesting lately think it does, even if they're wrong. 

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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2.2.4  sandy-2021492  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @2.2.3    9 years ago

Then why are you defending this one?

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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2.2.5  seeder  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  sandy-2021492 @2.2.4    9 years ago

Please don't make assumptions, Sandy. I put a number of questions out for the purpose of discussion and challenge.  I only asked questions - I did NOT say I defended him. 

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
Professor Guide
2.2.6  sandy-2021492  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @2.2.5    9 years ago

Sorry, Buzz, but the "it's just a question" thing doesn't hold water.  We've seen that tactic used for plausible deniability on this site before.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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2.2.7  seeder  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  sandy-2021492 @2.2.6    9 years ago

You can make whatever accusations you wish, Sandy, and my response to you is borrowed from Gone With The Wind: "Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn" (and I really don't).

 
 
 
Rmando
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4  Rmando    9 years ago

What slur is there that can be used to denigrate black people and gays at the same time? 

 
 
 
SteevieGee
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5  SteevieGee    9 years ago

So...  I guess there's a shortage of Playboys in jail then?

 
 
 
SteevieGee
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5.1  SteevieGee  replied to  SteevieGee @5    9 years ago

I mean, seriously, it's a book.  Get over it.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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6  Jeremy Retired in NC    9 years ago

Ibrahim Hooper of the Council on American-Islamic Relations said Friday that he hopes law enforcement in Gaston County will treat the case no differently than a hate crime committed outside of jail walls.

Hate crime?  I knew CAIR was retarded but this takes it to a whole new level.

 
 

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