Al Franken resigns, blasts Republican hypocrisy - why the refusal by Republicans to acknowledge the truth about Roy Moore?
You could say Al Franken was made an unwilling martyr. It does seem like Democrats were a little too eager to force him to quit, which is almost certainly not "fair". Let's say that Franken , over the course of a number of years, squeezed a few womens rear ends. What is the just punishment for that? Jail time ? A public shaming? A punch in the face by a husband or boyfriend, or a slap or punch from the women themselves? Or is a "just" punishment to lose your job, in this case a job as one of the 100 United States senators? Realistically, one could probably get a lot of varying answers to that question , perhaps depending on who is asked.
Franken could have fought back to keep his seat, and if Donald Trump or Roy Moore did not exist I think he just might of. But there is some element of self-sacrifice in this, since Franken willingly quit it does give the Democrats more 'authority' to point out the hypocrisy of the Republicans, and particularly Republican voters.
Alabamans are going to go forth and vote for Roy Moore, even though there is convincing evidence that he has lied about his contacts with a 16 year old girl many years ago in Alabama , a girl who is now a woman who says the then 30+ year old Moore sexually molested her when she was in high school.
Moore has denied knowing Beverly Young Nelson back then. His supporters have claimed that the yearbook message was a forgery. A few days ago, one of the other women who Moore dated when she was a teenager back then, Debbie Gibson, produced handwriting from a graduation card she had pasted into a scrapbook from her high school years. The handwritten message is signed "Roy". The handwriting in Gibson's possession matches the handwriting and signature in Beverly Nelson's yearbook. What this means is obvious. Roy Moore knew Beverly Young Nelson, the woman who says Moore sexually molested her when she was 16, and who Moore denies ever knowing. These signatures are what we commonly call a smoking gun. Are they proof Moore molested a 16 year old girl when he was 32? No, not necessarily, but they are "proof" that he has been lying when he said he never knew Beverly Young Nelson. Under these circumstances, Moore should withdraw from the Alabama senate race just the way Al Franken resigned yesterday.
Then there is Donald Trump. 13 women who have come forward and given their names have accused Trump of either sexual harassment or sexual assault. Trump is on a recording describing how easy it is to sexually assault women when you are "famous". He has made the assumption that the women permit it. But what about when they don't? That could well account for these 13 women who say they didn't allow it. Trump needs to be investigated over these allegations by the U.S. Congress. There is more than enough that has come forward to justify that. I would also like to see a congressional committee look into the allegations that Trump used to pop into the dressing rooms of teenage beauty pageant contestants to gawk at them in their underwear as they were changing costumes for the show. That might prove to be an interesting senate hearing.
Franken seems to have gotten the short end of the stick. Now the nation has to make sure that the issue is put into the proper perspective. A good place to start is to hold Moore and Trump responsible for what they have done.
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This afternoon Gloria Allred is going to have a press conference to further discuss Beverly Young Nelson's yearbook. I believe part of that press conference will be results of handwriting analysis.
even though there is convincing evidence that he has lied about his contacts with a 16 year old girl many years ago in Alabama , a girl who is now a woman who says the then 30+ year old Moore sexually molested her when she was in high school.
There is NO convincing "evidence" that he did anything of the kind. NONE. The left wing fools have completely lost any type of moral high ground they might have had (and didn't) a long time ago when, with the help of the complicit media, ignored Bubba Billy's accusers and made fun of them. And then they covered up and ignored the transgressions of these latter day liberal sexual abusers. The Republicans have had their share of abusers, but the dopey Democrats are way ahead of them in numbers and the seriousness of the allegations.
Rex, Bill Clinton is not a present day issue. Roy Moore has clearly been lying about the teenage girls in his past. He should drop out of the race.
This isn't about Clinton, it's about a man that wants to be a US Senator and is a mendacious predator. He lost his job for lying. Accept it. Supporting a predator is pathetic.
Right... Keep telling yourself that. Voting for or supporting Roy Moore is supporting a predator.
Argue whatever you want, the issue is the wielding of power by certain men over women with less power than he has. It almost doesn't matter if the sexual activity was consensual or forced, it was a power move by the male and immoral and unethical at the very least. Whether the female was a teenager as in the case of Roy Moore, a 20 to 30 something in the case of Trump and Clinton, or who knows how old in the cases of Conyers, Franken, Farendthold, and Franks, the common thread was that they all held undue power advantages over the females they harassed, assaulted, or raped. Every one of those power imbalances should be leading to the resignations of the accused. It should have led to the resignation of Clinton, It has led to the resignation of Conyers, Franken, and Franks. It should lead to the ouster of Trump and Farendthold. And hopefully lead either to the defeat of Moore or his eventual expulsion from the Senate. None of these should happen because of the sexual behavior per se, but because of the undue abuse of power that led to the sexual action.
There is nothing inherently wrong with consensual sexual activity between consenting individuals of equal age and status. That option must remain for people. What has to be stopped is the abuse of power in these situations.
Keep stretching like that and you could pull a hamstring.
I read your post three times. Makes a lot of sense to me.
Money and power. Many people use money and power to get what they want and care less about the consequences to others. As well, many people thirst to be part of the money and power group giving up their self worth.
I believe it boils down to morals.
Basically I agree. Problem is men and women are human, and interact all the time. Sometimes on a sexual basis as that basis is present everyday of our lives.
So define abuse of power?
Should a boss never be attracted to a subordinate? if they are should they; "Keep it thirty miles away from the flagpole" so to speak. (away from the office)
There are many many more completely happy couples that came about in a work environment than those who take advantage of their subordinates. Many large enterprises have policies against fraternization on business time, and all government offices have the same policy. This is to prevent just such things from happening. But they still happen.
Many of the hard core feminists claim that all sexual encounters are a power exchange.... Are they wrong?
The issue culls down to consent, and what constitutes consent varies from individual to individual, both male and female.
One woman's inappropriate contact is another's foreplay. One man's inappropiate contact may be a not so subtle invitation....
It depends on the individual in most cases.
Yes there are those forced (compelled) sexual power exchanges ala Matt Lauer, I'm sure they happen more frequently that any one actually imagines. but I'm also just as sure many of them are wanted and desired by both sides. Is it wrong? who is to say?
Consent has no hard and fast ground rules in intersexual relations.
A person in authority demands you unbutton you blouse/shirt? You are either emotionally strong enough to tell him/her to go fuck themselves, or you aren't.
The choice is made right there as to what is acceptable. Twice with women and once with a man, I was confronted with the sexual power play, once I checked it out with the women, I accepted one advance and rejected the other, the man needed medical attention afterwards.
It all comes down to what is acceptable to the person confronted with it at the time it happens.
And I see no way to legislate that out of existence on any level....
It is against Human nature, that is the point the hard core feminists were making when they claimed that all sexual relations are a power exchange....
Hard to beat that logic.
But I'm not certain that hypocrisy is really the point. It seems to me that the real issue is going to boil down to how the political arena eventually comes to view abuse of power. I hope both parties take a firm stand on the issue, and force the resignations of those who abuse their power, up to and including the President. Unfortunately, it appears, at the moment, only one party is at least attempting to take a stand on this issue. This has to become non-partisan.
The kind that supports a predator for Senator because he says he's a Christian. I get it.
Now that he has been endorsed by the groper in chief, he thinks he is in like Flynn. His only use to Trump is the R behind his name. Once he has served his purpose, he will be thrown under the bus.
If Moore wins Franken will stay.
And show everybody, once again, the hypocrisy of the Democrats.
And show everybody, once again, the hypocrisy of the Democrats.
What exactly are republican actions telling you? Are you in line with their values? It sure as hell looks like it. The GOP has begun rotting from the inside out, at least we can put that ridiculous 'moral high ground' away forever. Just don't contaminate the rest of us with that filth. Right now you are embracing it, defending it, and some of you are voting for it. Yep, republicans are gonna show us. And then we're gonna show them.
Moore will win.
I'm not defending Franken's hypocrisy.
And Franken will be the hypocrite.
You are defending Trump's, Moore's and your very own hypocrisy, in case you didn't notice. Franken is resigning, should he stay in your opinion? You and mags enjoy being part of the decline of the republican morals and values. Because we all plan to make sure you don't forget it. Not really surprising sexual advances to underage girls don't bother you all, neither do overt racism and outright proven lies. We can already smell the rot. But gosh darn it, he's your man! Not one of you will be able to complain about the upcoming taint, which will impact even republicans who don't like this abhorrent behavior, you've all been warned there are scumbags ahead.
If that's how you see it then so be it. I'm not trying to change your opinion.
And how do you plan on doing that? More temper tantrums?
What bothers me is you ignorance about how the legal system works. Moore (and Franken) are innocent until proven guilty. Now Franken's bullshit resignation gives hints that there is a very good chance he's guilty. Moore on the other hand, the evidence in that case seems to give hints that she's full of shit. Try to keep up
That rotting smell you hear is coming from within your own ideology. You are focused on ONE person on the opposition while MANY within your own ranks are being accused. And you call us hypocrites.
The Democrats better be careful about jumping to turf anyone accused of sexual misconduct. The Rethuglicans will have them kicking out every Dem member with false accusations if they keep it up, while equivocating about all their own offenses.
Oh wise expulsor of the political paradigm, I just had to help you get your point out, given the brush you painted it with is so large you can't get the message visible properly.....
So, There, I fixed it for ya......
LOL! "I know you are but what am I?" Pathetic yet predictable.
If it is so pathetic then why did you write it?
Wow, you even, 'I know you are but what am I'd, the statement itself! You deserve a donut for that, in fact, take two!
I'm pretty sure that Glenn Thompson (R-PA) probably doesn't remember me from when he was on my family's farm in 2008 at our new facilities. So, how can you expect Roy Moore to remember someone he might have signed a yearbook for 40 years ago?
Did Thompson try to fuck you too?