Grounds for impeachment if Trump lied about trying to fire Mueller – Ken Starr
If Donald Trump lied to the American people when he called reports he tried to fire Robert Mueller “fake news”, that would be grounds for impeachment, the independent counsel who investigated the Clinton White House said on Sunday.
Ken Starr, who used Bill Clinton’s false statements about his relationship with Monica Lewinsky as grounds for impeachment, told ABC’s This Week: “Lying to the American people is a serious issue that has to be explored. I take lying to the American people very, very seriously, so absolutely.”
Starr said: “That is something Bob Mueller should look at.”
Mueller, the special counsel, is investigating Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election, including alleged collusion between Russian officials and Trump aides, and numerous instances of possible obstruction of justice by the president.
The New York Times and others reported this week that in June 2016, Trump ordered White House counsel Donald McGahn to fire Mueller. McGahn reportedly said he would resign rather than carry our the order, which he said would have a devastating effect on Trump’s presidency.
Trump publicly dismissed the Times report, calling it “fake news”. Since June, the president has repeatedly denied publicly that he was considering firing Mueller. White House officials have also repeatedly claimed the president has not discussed firing him.
Well, I guess Ken Starr would know...
Just another scumbag partisan bass Turd, like the damn Mueller clown
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hey, wait, Ken Starr...
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ok 'wrongies' spin it a way
like a whirling fckn dervish
spinning like a Golden Retriever Throne
off
Der righties is der wrongies, again...
It seems the news of our day, every day, turns the right wingers into whirling Dervishs...
So, they cuss and spin and deny deny deny until they melt down. Reality is fixin ta strike.
When it comes to saying what is and what is not impeachable Kenneth Star is an authority.
Love him or hate him he is a world expert on whom exactly a special prosecutor can indict.
As I believe he has proven
TRump ain't no slick Willie in the hot seat
No siree, collusion with enemies and obstructing justice ain't a stained blue dress either...
Exactly which enemy would that be? Far as I know, we're not at war with Russia. if you can legally regard another country as an enemy without a declaration of war then Hanoi Jane would have been hanged a long time ago.
Bill wasn't impeached for a stained blue dress. He was impeached for lying under oath. That's called perjury and it's a five year felony. Only reason Bill got off is because the Democrats in the Senate went political. What makes you think that the Republicans wouldn't do the same?
Trillions upon Trillions have been spent to contain our GREAT ALLIE, the
Axis
and you shall receive (damaging E-mails), best buddy who, as well as we to a lesser extent, was almost responsible for the end of civilization as we know it
All Righty Then
I happened to have watched ABC's "This Week" this morning. Starr was led to the aforementioned point in the discussion by Uber Liberal Martha Raddatz, after Starr dismissed claims of Trump "obstructing justice". Starr was confronted by Dan Abrams (who is supposedly a legal expert for ABC). Abrams said "its the same thing you did in the Clinton case". Starr explained that his referral in that case dealt with perjury & encouraging witnessess to lie. At that point Raddatz jumped in with Clinton's famous lie - "I did not have sexual relations with that woman" in an attempt to demonstrate a similarity with Trump saying the Times story on him wanting to fire Mueller was "fake news". Starr gave an answer that sort of maintained the President shouldn't lie to the American people.
So let's see where we are:
Progressives are now trying to say that the President should be impeached if it is proven that he has just lied about wanting to fire Mueller! They are now down to that! After an investigation, which was fraudulently launched and has dragged on for over a year, liberals want to get Trump on any unrelated, irrelevant lie at this point. There are no limits to what the scum on the left will do to remove this President.
My take away from Star's Sunday Morning TV interviews which were all over the place today was the Donald Trump will be required to give testamony under oath and Star thinks that will end in articles of impeachment.
Skirting the CoC [ph]
Actually, the firing of Comey is there as well. And lets not forget the tweet trump sent out saying that he fired flynn for lying to the FBI, which is admitting that he knew flynn lied to the FBI and did not notify the FBI of it, (which is also obstruction of justice).
Only if the democrats gain control of the House later this year. If that all happens, it ends the same way it did for Clinton - with a vote in the US Senate requiring two-thirds present for a conviction. Plus, in the hypothetical which liberal commentators are using - that Trump IS lying about never wanting to fire Mueller - HAS TO BE PROVEN!
I'll say it again:
THIS IS WHAT PROGRESSIVES ARE DOWN TO!
Not really..I notice that at least 3 of you couldn't RESIST
No, but nice try. He has the right to fire both men and he dosen't have to notify the FBI on anything, let alone things the agency already knew.
Thanks for reminding me why I mostly ignore all the drivel and foreign propaganda that you post on-line...
Lol, I know, cause you took a pledge
That will be the day!
Trump has done nothing but lie to the American people both before and after taking the oath of office. I hope he is just as disdainful of the truth and his oath when called to testify in front of Mueller. I'll bring the popcorn.
I'm eating popcorn right now reading the melodrama in here.
Nice job on that by the way.
He is a mandatory reporter, like we all are. If there is a crime committed, and he fails to report it, that in itself is a crime.
Peri, what did I say here that got censored? Have no clue.
Were lib? Can you give me the link?
1.2.2 on this seed. Trying to think what I said that was wrong, I've been trying so hard here to be good.
And why should Trump take an oath, when others don't have to? Is it because liberals heard him add "I'll do it under oath" ? In other words liberals want to hold him to that, they hang on his every word.
Here's what I say - Trump, (if he dosen't take the 5th), should demand the same interview conditions Hillary Clinton got. IE: No oath, immunity for everyone under investigation and the outcome decided in his favor before the interview
There is a big difference here. First, it is not impeachable to lie to the American people, if it was then EVERY President would have been impeached for holding State secrets as you have to inherently lie to keep things like spy activities secret. Secondly, Clinton lied under oath (perjured himself) to a Grand Jury investigating claims of corruption and sexual harassment before and while he was President. When has Trump testified under oath during his Presidency?
Well, that depends on what the meaning of the word "is" is .....
Fasten Your Seat Belts. It Is Going To Be A Bumpy Spring...
If lying to the public was an impeachable offense then all presidents would've been gone after two weeks.
How many presidents in modern history, besides Clinton and Nixon, have lied about Obstruction of Justice...?
From The Atlantic Today:
You might be able to add Obama to that list of presidents who obstructed justice when that memo comes out this week.
Yea, we're all gonna hold our collective breaths on that one
None...........YET.
They haven't even released the memo and you already have a case of obstruction of justice against Obama? That's some next level BS you are throwing against the wall.
To be determined
Actually Trump unwittingly confessed to obstruction in his interview with Lester Holt - he admitted that he fired Comey in order to end the FBI's investigation of his campaign's collusion with Russia.
Why don't y'all (Especially Trump) take that advice about the investigation of the investigators..., cause a calendar and dark secret underground societies in our top Law Enforcement agency, is a pretty serious charge
already proven a Joke ( in one Damn Day )
So Schumer and Durbin etc will be voting against impeachment, given their rejection of Starr's rationale in 1999.
I doubt it...
So lying about a Blow Job
is compatible with possibly colluding with that most admired one known as Putin and his tyrannically ruled Russia, drafting the best and brightest Ruble could buy administration, firing the Attorney General(The One who warned you not to even hire Flynn), firing the head of the FBI after he who wouldn't swear unto the Kings ring, then admitting the firing WAS done due to the Russian investigation, claiming the whole damn investigation was a hoax & the worlds biggest witch hunt for over a year, attacking and demeaning our entire FBI and the entire department of Justice, then attempting fire a bipartisan praised Special Prosecutor(for closing in) and subsequently lying about it(like practically every other thing), but, to you,
it is equivalent to lying about a consensual Blow Job....
well ain't that a grab of the ole Pussy, by our molester in Chief !
is compatible with possibly colluding with that most admired one known as Putin and his tyrannically ruled Russia,
Oh no David. Lying about a blow job or anything else, WHILE UNDER OATH is far worse than something that is not a criminal act. Perjury is an actual crime. Possibly colluding is not a crime since it's just "possibly". It would have to be proven in court. Also, I'll say it again, maybe you can understand it this time: WE ARE NOT AT WAR WITH RUSSIA. Since we are not at war, there can be no collusion with an enemy since they are not our enemy.
Why is this still an issue? For that matter, why was it ever an issue. Only thing I can think of is that Liberals tend to think with their emotions rather than whatever brains they may have. The law does not work on emotion. It requires actual criminal acts.
Which is why we all can't wait to see Trump under oath. Aren't you all excited he'll be able to 'put this behind him' finally? LOL
No, but they are NOT considered an ally either. Mitch "The Bitch" McConnell said it himself.. "Russia is NOT our friend!".
Don't hold your breath. Trump may not be the brightest bulb in the pack but he's not stupid enough to fall into an obvious perjury trap.
Trump WILL Perjure himself, I have faith in him.
He won't be impeached, but I believe he will be forced from office.
How the Heck can you people still defend this guy, I don't get it.
They're not our enemy either. Imprecise thinking never works when speaking about the law. The law is quite clear that you cannot collude with an enemy unless they actually are an enemy. They are only an enemy if we are at war with them.
So North Korea isn't an enemy then? LOL
That's easy David. In spite of all his faults, he still has one thing going for him that has not changed. He is still NOT HILLARY CLINTON. If it takes four or eight years of Trump to keep that woman out of the White House, then that's a price we're willing to pay. Also, there will be no coup de etat. He will remain in office or a lot of professional politicians (Republican Senators who think they know better) WILL be primaried.
Trump lies so much because he knows his base will believe even the most ridiculous of lies.... The problem is that most people know he is lying. Mueller is going to have a field day with trump if he lies.
We have been at war with North Korea since 1950. A truce is not a peace treaty.
Really? Buddy, you need to stay off of the far right wing fake news sites.
You mean South Korea has been at a state of war since 1950.
Yet another person who doesn't understand what perjury is and thus doesn't understand why Clinton wasn't convicted of perjury.
In fact I doubt that there's a right-winger or other Faux News viewer in existence who can properly define perjury.
Weren't you just pathetically claiming the 'left' are too emotional, and you then reply to me with this...
Take a minute to ponder what it is your 'emotions', DID, just reveal.
They are an ADVERSARY. What's with the word parsing?
believe posters point is in regards to collusion requires colluding with a proclaimed 'Enemy', which technically, Russia isn't, they are just our Arch Nemesis for what, almost 70 years ?
maybe
we all have Trump sized hands
So you agree
Obama be grabbing him some pussy
with tiny little hands congratz Abby
If that poster has a problem with me calling them, "buddy", they will let me know. My guess is they won't, but either way? Mind your own fucking business.
wet dreams don't count
Hate to throw sand on yours,
but,
Trump is not gonna last, too much friction
Lol, the left now agrees with Kenneth Starr.
Now I HAVE heard everything.
Know what's even stranger,
the 'Right'
claiming Ken Star's a no good ex prosecutor, like that biased Mueller clown.
Not really stranger but certainly the same sort of hypocrisy.
Yep, i can agree on that.
Here is another one.. The GOP actually supported CHIP last week.
Nah, not even close to the same thing especially since a Republican co-authored the original CHIP bill.
Mr. "Mexico will pay for it" stumped just as much.
Though not a lawyer, I believe this is a stretch as he did not pursue the thought to his ultimate goal. But there seems to be plenty of alternatives as to prosecuting various members (possibly Trump himself) of the administration and campaign. Just have to put up with the sideshows until Mueller reaches his conclusions.
Impeachment is a complete fantasy as long as Republicans control both houses of Congress. The president is essentially the head of his party. Republicans are as likely to impeach its own party head as democrats were to impeach Obama over Benghazi (where Obama lied). Impeachment is a voluntary political trial (not a judicial proceeding) and it’s simply not going to happen. Period.
Nor can the Justice Department or anybody else remove him or force him from office with obstruction of justice charges. The Justice Department is a subordinate executive agency to the president and he can simply fire anybody who moves against him. As a sitting president, he can ignore any federal legal action against him and, if necessary, pardon himself for any allegation that he committed a federal crime. The only way to remove him is by impeachment (which won’t happen with a Republican Congress), he dies, he resigns, or through the even more unlikely constitutional option of his own cabinet appointees declaring him unfit. The only other way to get rid of him is in the next election.
Wishing it were otherwise won’t make it so but I guess, if Democrats think people can actually change genders, then this nonsensical Trump removal fantasy isn’t much of a stretch for them.
beats, so to speak, the non stop Hillary still being relevant fantasy on the 'right' as Trump is certainly still obsessed as well
Trump will not be impeached in my opinion, but he will be forced out and resign.
The extent of this lying muther frickerz never ending one, is beyond belief,
sort of like
those still defending him
He cannot be forced from office and he has no reason to resign. If he can, Trump will build a wall to rival the Great Wall of China, paint it gold, and put his name on it . . . leaving his mark not only on history but on the face of the earth itself.
he has already accomplished this
Yur "grammer" is beyond belief.
Very true - it's guaranteed that Republicans will never do the right thing.
Neither will democrats and they’re insane on top of it.
Apparently I misjudged you, when I stated you were a breath of fresh air, all apologies.
You, occasionally speak against both sides, yet I've noticed, quite unequally.
Both Party's are broken, as is our entire system, but to imply the Democratic Party exceeds that of the Republican in its being in your in artful words
The abomination known as 'Trump', brought forth to us via the 'rights' constant barrage against the Obama Nation, is such a telling plight, about what is so wrong, with the damn 'right'!
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This has all been seriously amplified and exampled by this current BullShit surrounding a memo voted along party lines to be released.
Nunes, the incompetent stooge who has proven to be one who cannot be trusted to be unbiased after running to the White House on his own to give the WH info, that he had actually received from said White House, had recused himself, then slowly slipped back in...? How the FcK does that work, He wants to release something HE HADNT READ
TRUMP , says he will release something he as well HASN'T FCKN READ
Politicizing our top investigative body and our entire Judicial system as a whole, is being done by many asz A Wholes.
FUCK THEM This is a bad Joke being played out in real time in like a 'reality TV show'
that BLOWS
Putin WON Our country is so damn STUPID and IGNORANT it's FCKN become hard to watch
There are many around here bright enough to realize this, when are you going to be man and woman enough to own up to your being taken...
cause YOU HAVE BEEN
No worries. I don’t care what you think and certainly don’t need your approval.
I speak to issues, not sides, and I comment on those issues that interest me at the time.
I think promoting sanctuary cities, transgenderism, homosexuality etc is insane.
Democrats make a mockery of the term “regular” guy by saying that it’s perfectly normal for a regular guy to claim that he was born to be a lesbian.
Skirting the CoC [ph]
trump was not under oath kids... making starr a moron or just full of shit. take your pick.
however... I like the precedent if set, so, regardless if under oath or not...
from this day forward every politician local, state, or federal, that utters a single word not deemed the truth by everyone else, gets impeached then sent to jail.
the only thing more fun than that? bureaucrats and media included.
LOL
Well, Clinton was impeached for lying under oath (and obstruction of justice). That's kind of an important distinction. If we were going to start impeaching presidents every time they lied to the American people, none of them would serve out their terms.
It's a dumb story anyway. If Trump "tried" to fire Mueller, he'd be fired. No one has the power to stop him. Floating the idea and talking about it is hardly "trying to fire" someone. So, it should be self-evident, since Mueller is still working, that Trump did not try to fire him.
Yea, but Trump would have been out on the day after his damn inauguration, Size Matters, especially when attempting to measure up to Obama's
stuck in his face Di
screpancy , in inauguration crowd sizes.
NO
I really am IGKNORANTZRULZ of the old Newsvine
Unfortunately, you and your gang continue to prove as much.
"If Donald Trump lied to the American people when he called reports he tried to fire Robert Mueller “fake news”, that would be grounds for impeachment"
No it isn't !
Mr. "Clinton foundation", LIED to a Grand Jury !
Trump HASN'T.
These "Impeach Trump" hounds really are "Clueless".
"Mueller, the special counsel, is investigating Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election"
And has found Little bits of SHIT that has NOTHING to do with Trump !