Trump Won't Release Democratic Memo, Sends Back To Committee
Trump Won't Release Democratic Memo, Sends Back To Committee
President Donald Trump won't release the Democratic rebuttal to the Republican intelligence memo alleging FBI abuses of its surveillance authority at this time, and has sent it back to the House Intelligence Committee for changes.
In a letter to the committee , White House counsel Donald McGahn said, "although the President is inclined to declassify the February 5th Memorandum, because the Memorandum contains numerous properly classified and especially sensitive passages, he is unable to do so at this time."
Trump had said earlier Friday he planned to release the memo.
"It's gonna be released soon," Trump told reporters at the White House, adding, "We're going to release a letter."
The House Intelligence Committee voted unanimously on Monday to release the 10-page Democratic memo, and the committee rules gave Trump five days to decide whether to block or allow its release.
The memo from Rep. Adam Schiff of California, the top Democrat on the committee, was written to rebut the Republican memo released one week prior, which accuses the FBI of suppressing Democratic ties to an opposition research dossier on Trump and Russia used in the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act warrant for former Trump campaign foreign policy adviser Carter Page.
No off topic comments allowed.
"RELEASE THE MEMO"...
Trump cannot handle the truth being known by the American People. SHAME!
Actually, the Democrats can't handle the truth being released as they PURPOSEFULLY including information that would have to be redacted or it would harm national security. This was nothing more than a cheap political stunt so you and others that eat and drink from the Democratic propaganda cafeteria would say what you just said. The problem is that those of us who don't saw this coming several days ago, as the Democrats don't actually offer anything other than "Gotcha" politics when issues like corruption are brought up.
I'm not buying it. I was all for releasing the gop's memo and I want the Democrat's memo released, too...
What's good for the proverbial goose is good for the proverbial gander. People will always handle the truth.
Why not let the American people themselves decide what they want to believe? What is so hard or wrong with that? Why does he refuse to allow the Democrat memo to be released? What is he trying to hide, cover up or afraid of that might be in that memo?
Refusing to release it make him look far more guilty of something he is trying to hide than anything else, no matter how many people try to justify it.
The American people have a right to see/hear both sides of the story, not just Trump supporters side. Is that asking too much?
Again, what is Trump so afraid of? Or is he just blatantly insulting the intelligence of the America people who he thinks are nothing but fools?
And, there is the Gotcha politics I am talking about. The Democrats laced the memo with stuff that needs to be redacted. You do realize he isn't refusing to release the memo, he is refusing to release it in its CURRENT form. That means that Democrats have stuff in there that should not be in there and this is all part of the "Gotcha" game they play when they have nothing but lies to sell people disguised as the truth. It is the Democrats most popular Modus Operandi.
BS. That is just an excuse for him not to release it. Any old excuse to keep refusing to release it. What will it take for him to approve it? Have the whole thing rewritten so that is praises him and is full of lies about how great he is?
Again......what is Trump so afraid of that he won't allow the American people to see it in it's present form and make their own decision about it?
There is no justification for trying to jack off the American people for his own glory.
The committee voted unanimously to release the Democratic memo. I am just not bying the Fox News line...
So, they voted to release the memo, it doesn't mean it was a clean memo without any sort of method or classified information that cannot be released to the public. Trump sent it back for revision and did so quickly. If Trump had something to hide, would you not think he would hold onto the memo for the full 5 days he has to decide then send it back?
Trump has plenty to hide and I knew he would refuse to release the other side of the story and I am nonplussed he made his lousy decision on a Friday evening news dump. That is okay. I am doing my best to get the word out. "RELEASE THE MEMO"...
See my reply to JBB. Think about the timing. He just got the memo yesterday and he immediately sends it back. That is not the actions of someone trying to hide anything. That is someone who noticed a flaw in the memo and is asking for it to be revised because of that flaw. If Trump had wanted to hide it, he would have kept the thing for the full 5 days of review then sent it back or just outright said no and not sent it back at all.
We shall see how long he takes to try to rewrite the memo to his favor before he releases it, then claim that it was the Democrats that wrote it when it is finally released with all his ordered changes to try and put the monkey on their backs. His motive is as transparent as a clear window pane for those who aren't die hard Republicans who think Trump can do not wrong and everyone lies but the GOP and Trump.
No sense discussing the subject with someone who is not willing to think outside of their own political party allegiance. I am glad I have no such hindrance so that I can keep an open mind. I choose to make up my own mind. Democrats are not the only ones who lie, Republicans have their own wild tales they have no qualms about telling to the people.
Your argument is bull! Did you forget that Trump announced that he would release the Nunes memo BEFORE HE EVER GOT IT TO READ??? Also, don't forget that Trump doesn't read anything, he sent it back expecting someone else to read it and come up with an excuse not to release it for him.
And, Trump has said he would release the Democratic Memo. He just sent it back for revision. Think about it.
Very nicely said.
"it has been said"
is all you need to have started your argument with for NO ONE to have to take it seriously.
WHo said it NUNES... Cause he's proving so FCKN credible.
How do you give EVERY benefit of the doubt, to IDIOTS who do NOT ever stop LYING to you and making u look down right foolish, when you pop back up in defense of these PROVEN FCKN LIARS !
Still waiting for him to release the Hawaii proof of Obama's country of birth as well as his tax returns. Liar in Chief.
Just a friendly reminder ... Per the seeder:
Why don't you take your own advice for a change and hold your own breath. And NO ONE here on NT has to STFU just because YOU don't like what they have to say.
Wusss.... (big grin)
BS again. You have not even read the memo and you are already defending Trumps refusal to approve it after it has already been approved by the Committee. You and your Republican cronies are the ones being 'fished', hook, line and stinker.
Swearing at a fine lady like Raven that way, clearly demonstrates your complete lack of character and decency.
Illogical. If that were so, he could simply say he wasn't going to release it and be done with it. Then the Democrats would have to try to get Congress to overrule him. Instead, they have been given specific changes to make. That's not a refusal to release a memo.
Question: Is there nothing you can imagine that should keep the memo from being redacted or changed? What if nuclear codes were in there? The names of intelligence agents? Details on surveillance technology we are trying to keep secret? Nothing?
Meanwhile Democrats insisted that the Republican memo was a threat to national security. It turns out they were lying. What's more, now they suddenly don't care about national security threats.
That might be compelling except he also released the Republican memo on a Friday .
I have no reason to expect anything more intelligent from you. Your argument is so totally politically one sided that it holds no significance in regards to the fact that Trump is deliberately refusing to release the other side of the story that he was not supposed to have started in the first place.
Now.....go play with your friends in the sandbox and build your fairy tale castles.
You have to ask them, but, don't be surprised if they ask to see you GOP ID card first. (grin)
I watched fox a little bit and what he is saying is exactly what fox news was saying, practically word for word.
One can always tell the fox watchers, their arguments and talking points always match.
It is always a grand conspiracy against them while they are as pure as the driven snow.
Gotta love how they twist it around. The Dems were against releasing the memo as they didn't want any potentially classified information or info that would harm the FBI released. That information was released anyway, even though the FBI and DOJ did not want it to happen. Damage was done.
Now they are twisting it that the Dems want to release classified information and all the sudden they are the ones protecting the FBI and information?
Give me a break. They did not care about any harm their memo would do, only the opposition memo. It is almost all out there yet now they want to cry foul? Plus they have several more memos on the way that I guarantee get released with zero problems.
I can see right through their partisan spin and fox news talking points.
And it is not even that hard to see through it. They are only fooling themselves to think they are pulling wool over the brains of all of the American people.
Trump is his own worst enemy, and that of the GOP itself. He gladly opened the can of worms when he was well informed what the consequences could be, but, being the arrogant and egotistical individual he is (it's all about me...) again he did not listen to wiser heads and now, not only is he stuck with the problem, but, he has placed the GOP members who are up for re-election or election in peril as well.
It's like the old saying, "Be careful what you wish for, you just might get it". And now Trump has it, and he is trying his best to run away from it.
Unfortunately.....he opened to door and there is no where for him to run at this point. Only in his and the minds of his minions who are unwilling to see what he himself has done, and do all they can to blame it on everyone else. You would think at some point Trump would learn what it really means to be President the US, and that it is not a game he can play like the "Apprentice".
I beg your pardon? Who are YOU to tell me to get off of anything? If you want to discuss the subject then lose the 'tude Dude, or don't comment to me at all. I don't do snark with anyone.
Why did the demtards not release it until AFTER the Pubs - after all, they were in the same meetings...and a frikken week later? Did they have to "conjure up something to play 'gotcha'? You betcha...Adam Schiff is weasel.
It goes back to committee and they have to clean it up...this was purely political bullcrap.
Bingo! People need to get their panties out of a wad...for the love of God.
No, Trump said he was "inclined" to release it, not that he would. AND he only said that because his blatant hypocrisy was so great that even he could see it.
If you want to have an adult conversation with me on the subject, leave out the childish political insults and we prepare to discuss it on an adult level and then we can talk. Otherwise, don't comment to me. I don't do snark with anyone.
Thank you for a more intelligent and less insulting comment. I do agree that there is a political divide among the Members here on NT, and any other site that is a similar discussion forum. That is to be expected. However, that does not mean that differences in the opinions of either side cannot be made in discussion and talked about in a manner that is not denigrating of one side or the other, and in a manner that is conducive to civil discussion. Throwing out juvenile pejoratives and insults is not going to lead to anything other than a verbal warfare that is not necessary.
I am not affiliated with any political party, and have not been since I left the Republican party many years ago. The reason I left is because once the Tea Party took over control it was no longer the party of what is best for the American people as a whole, and no longer a party I could support. And still isn't. As for the Democrat party, it too, has gotten worse over the years and I do not find anything that really warrants my dedication to it. And I prefer to keep an open mind about the pluses and minuses of all parties, as there is no one perfect party, no one deserving party. Only the various candidates of the parties are of interest to me. I judge them on their experience and overall fitness for the position they are running for, and how they will be of benefit to the people, regardless of the party they claim loyalty to. There are good people on all sides of the political spectrum, as well as those who are only in the game for their own gain.
Again, thank you for a more civil comment.
There was plenty of justification for Trump to not release the Dem memo, and it came from the top of the FBI and DoJ:
Will you buy it if it comes from the New York Times? The top brass at the FBI and DOJ advised Trump not to release the Dem memo on the same day that you seeded this MSN article:
How many times did he send the GOP memo back for 'revisions' before it was so quickly released? He was more than happy to make it published against the advise of much wiser heads. But, it ego and arrogance let him plow ahead and now he is afraid to let the American people know the other side of his messy side show.
Once again, the Trump puppets hop on the bandwagon to justify his need to deliberately refuse to release the Democrat side of the story he was not supposed to expose in the first place. He created the mess and now he is trying to cover his mistake by refusing to let the other side be heard.
There is no justification for his refusal, especially, after it has been read and approved by the Committee for release. Just what is Trump so afraid of the American people knowing? The truth?
WORD UP!
I totally agree. Part of the problem is in electing the same candidates years on end. They become part of the "Good 'ol Boys' club that exists in both parties and they are only out for themselves. IMHO, there should be term limits on for the Senate and House, same as for the President, a two term only limit. That would allow for fresh blood and ideas to be presented and stop the pattern of cronyism and collusion among the establishment bunch. It would also encourage more people to run for the positions and give us a wider selection to choose from. The longer they stay in office the more corrupt they become. It just more or less goes with the territory.
Just my opinion.
How is what Tacos! said in any way political? His statements and questions are reasonable and factual and can be asked of any administration or Congress. You really need to think of this as a multi-part essay assignment where you submit the rough draft for a partial grade. The Republicans were given passing marks, while the Democrats failed it by not properly editing it before submitting it.
Yes.
This is a very funny post as you claim I am repeating Fox News talking points, when I HAVE NOT watched Fox in YEARS! I prefer watching One America News Network and then not very often. Heck, most of the news I watch is from a local ABC affiliate and is the local news. So please stop trying to project your prejudices onto me. By claiming what you did is prejudiced and ignorant of actual facts.
"Well, Surprise Surprise Surprise" - Gohmer Pyle...
Yep, it seems that the devious Democrats loaded it up with all kinds of "sources and methods" info that will have to be either redacted or purged entirely. It was expected that they would try some stunt like this. It they really wanted it released they simply would have submitted a "clean" rebuttal memo. No wonder they keep losing elections, and why Trump wins every battle he was with them. Don't worry, they'll get their little list of lies out shortly, even if they have to leak it to their press buddies.
Nope! "Release The Memo". Remember that meme? It wasn't that long ago. RELEASE THE MEMO!
That is so big a stretch, that you could seriously hurt yourself. It is a response to the Nunes memo, that had info that the FBI and Justice department did not want released. But Trump stated that he would release before he even got a copy of it.
RELEASE THE MEMO!!!
That is not true. The FBI and DOJ did not recommend redactions. Their only objection was that the memo omitted information they felt should be included for purposes of context. By contrast, they are objecting to specific things in the Democrat memo. That's why it got sent back.
Since it hasn't been released, how would you know it contains "sources and methods?"
Frankly, I think everyone throwing a fit over Trump returning the Democratic memo back to the House for revision should get a copy of "The Complete Idiot's Guide to Critical Thinking". They seemingly share a group brain that is incapable of reasonable thought. And, they seemingly are incapable of having patience when it comes to what they want. Do you see how many of the posts are screaming to release the memo now without making sure that the critical national security information is removed? I know I wanted the Nunes memo released and couldn't see why it took so long after the memo was written in early January. Now, I do see why and it is the process that it went under in order to make sure it was clear of sensitive information. Heck, from my understanding the Democratic memo was written only a couple days before the Nunes memo was voted on to be sent to Trump.
Schiff is a pro at leaking.
Strange then that the GOP members of the committee voted unanimously that it be released. Are you saying they're incompetent or unethical?
You also seem to be saying that the Trump FBI, CIA, NSA, etc are incompetent since the Dem memo was already cleared with the various intel agencies.....unlike the GOP's memo which the committee released over their objections.
This is the process. Committees release memos all the time. There is usually a majority memo and a minority memo. It's just not usually headline news. These memos always get screened by FBI, DOJ, and the White House for sensitive material.
Dems howled and cried about all the sensitive material in the Republican memo. Strangely, even though nothing was redacted, they stopped all that noise after it was released. That should make you say "hmmm."
Now they claim there is no reason to hold back the memo they have written. So, how likely is that to be true?
And the Dem's memo was screened and approved by the intel agencies BEFORE the committee voted unanimously to release it. So why did Trump really refuse to let it be made public?
Craven cowardice.
The Dems have done such a 180 on these memos it's enough to cause a severe case of whiplash. Just two weeks ago they were telling everyone that people would day and the four horsemen would be swooping down from the heavens if anything got released. Now they criticize Trump for listening to Wray and the FBI on this.
Once again, the party of sleaze gets caught trying to play cute. If they really wanted to refute the Nunes memo they would "leak" it like they do with other sensitive information. In trying to make Trump look bad, they have smeared the sticky spaghetti sauce across their own cheeks.
It is good that other investigations are going on into the activities of the Democrats dirty tricks during the last election, which will put the foolish liberals in a bad spot before the midterms.
Just curious, say you N RRRRRRRRRRMANDO,
were accused of a murder, and the prosecuting Attorney was
Nunes, and he decided the Jury ONLY needed to hear his exclusively picked evidence meant to incriminate you....
.
That would be fine with you both huh ?
.
Cause i'll call BULLSHIT
.
Uou two, as would any , would want the jury to hear ALL of the evidence
, but
it's somehow Different in this case BECAUSE....
Please do elaborate for us all we patiently await your replies
Nor should they, but how and why does Nunes ? I realize the rules are different for a house investigative committee ,
but WHY ? WASTE OF FRICKEN TIME
That being said, glad you want this memo released, how do you feel about the
Nunes memo being 100% released before Trump ever even laid eyes on it, or the fact the head of the FBI requested it NOT be released, and he released it, and stated he 100% would before ever laying eyes on it, or the fact he now doesn't want to release the Democratic response memo because he's worried about classified info that he wasn't one I owe toe concerned with when he was 100% sure he would be releasing the Nunes memo that the our intelligence agencies told Trump NOT TO, 'laid eyes on it before he ever.'
More Trump BULLSHIT !
Agreed! We can handle it. Nothing in Nunes memo broke anyone and nothing in the Dem's will either. The sooner we get to the bottom of all of the Russian interference in our election the better no matter who gets their tits in the ringer along the way. We know the Russians were able to compromise between five and ten US state's election systems November of 2016 which should be unacceptable no matter one's politics. The People's need to know and right to know, well, trumps Trump's obstruction in this case. Truely sensitive things like covert operatives names can be redacted leaving enough for the American People to judge for themselves what did and what did not happen. Will wonder never cease? JBB and OSM agreed on something despite being on opposite sides of the polical divide. It is time for everyone to throw their cards on the table and let the chips fall as they may. Either Russiagate is a threat to our Republic or it was merely a blip on the radar that can be addressed and put to rest. People need to know if paid operatives of the Russian government have infultrated the highest levels of our government as some apparently have. People need to know if Vlad Putin's army of hackers, bots and professiona trolls were able to manipulate our American electoral system so that we can put an end to such shinanagans for once and for all. We can handle the truth. #RELEASE THE MEMO...
We need bigger bullshit removal equipment. I am thinking Volvo might make track hoes big enough...
We also need a fleet of those humongous dump trucks with hubs high as men's heads to haul it all off.
Bigly BigLeague
Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't the second memo already reviewed by the corrupt FBI that Trump suddenly now trusts ?
The Democrats have no evidence, or they would have followed proper procedure by keeping classified info out of their response. The facts in Nunes memo can't be refuted. Their memo will be released when it is cleaned of classified info.
So WE would convict you, because YOU claim there is NO evidence to defend you.
.
and then You prove it... thanx
How do you know it has classified information in it? Have you read it?
Calm down. Trump lies constantly, I don't believe a damn thing that trump or any of his little friends say. And how many times has trump screamed "fake news" when the story turns out to be true? How many times have we heard people on the right scream "bullshit!!!!", when yet another connection between trump and russia comes to the surface? You want to slam ME for calling BS? You may want to clean up your own house first, the rightists are the undisputed kings of calling BS even when the facts are staring them in the face.
Skirting the CoC [ph] with the pretzel logic you put third or forth
Good Lord! It's not that complicated. Nunes, himself, voted to release the Democratic memo. It was unanimous! But it's up to the FBI, DOJ, and the White House to make sure there is nothing in the memo that shouldn't be released because of its impact on national security. A Democratic memo will be released. You just can't throw anything you like into it.
I read your posts and you totally project republican behavior outward. Just like Trump.
One day these Trump lies will be out. Likely next year when Americans decide republicans are incapable of doing their job, which incidentally is not protecting and helping Trump put out his fake news (hint: projection) with the help of Russian bots. The Nunes memo was clearly a bullshit attempt at political cover and written by Nunes with Trump, AGAIN. Just trying to put the spin on the bad news coming, and discredit the very foundations of our democracy and system of justice. It was released WITHOUT the approval of FBI or Justice and without redaction. They don't want the truth out, hence no rebuttal of TRUTH and refuse to release the dem memo. I know a bunch of people want to keep pushing the Trump lies and fake news, but we will fight it every step of the way. Trump is a LIAR and when Mueller is done we will know what he (Trump) has done. He is CLEARLY INCOMPETENT. Bunch of people who can't get security clearances, domestic abusers, liars, leakers and people in jobs they are incapable of doing. A total clusterfuck. We all see it. The whole world sees it. A small percentage of the world (of republicans) refuse to see what they don't want to see. One day they will try really hard to pretend they weren't that stupid, or weren't purposefully misleading and lying to protect him, but we won't forget.
Remember the old days when Trump and republicans just said any old lie about say, Obama's birth place and it went on for YEARS after the birth cert release? Remember when all those Benghazi hearings went on longer and cost more than any other investigation (including Watergate) even when they could not find any proof of wrongdoing? Remember Hillary spending HOURS under oath on camera, dignified and answering the questions? Who are the snowflakes again? FFS, republicans, show some bollocks. I guess its scarier because all of these allegations are likely true. tick tock, we will find out!
Do you understand that Trump released the bullshit Nunes memo despite the objections of FBI and Justice? He was going to release it before he even read it? We reject the LIE that Trump wants the dem memo out. Trump/GOP want to release it (if ever) as long as possible after the release of the FAKE NUNES one. Don't even try to push that shit here. I would not be surprised to see Nunes and other republicans caught up in an obstruction case. Republicans can't stop the truth from coming out forever. The question is how much damage they will do to the country on their way out.
Wait a minute ?
I've never said word one in protest about so many censored and or removed posts, as , on occasion there is more than one way to interpret my simplistic babbling, but um... please do xplain how my creative spelling of the word mustard, was somehow a code violation, cause it is deserved of an explanation I thank you in advance
Having a problem staying on topic?
Funny how he loves them when it's convenient? And then hates them when it's not. Just like he treats the women in his life. In fact just like he treats everyone in his life.
Not that I am in the head of anyone else, but I believe that both the DOJ and the FBI advised Mr. Trump not to declassify the original GOP memo, which he dismissed and went ahead regardless.
Now Mr. Trump takes their advice when it becomes the DEMs turn, the failure to see the hypocrisy in this is somewhat mind boggling. For myself, whatever comes forth from the House Committee had little to no credibility for either side.
Best to do the smart thing and allow the one Big Boy (Mueller) to complete the investigation and end the speculation (at our level that's all it is) and let the chips fall as they may.
Not one single talking head on tv who warned about the Nunes memo can point to anything in it that endangers nation security. With the Schiff memo the Dems have been crying all week about how Trump would redact it and edit it. That is why they deliberately included classified info that they knew would HAVE to be redacted. Trump called their bluff and sent it back to them so THEY can redact it with the FBI looking over their shoulders.
Good Point. "RELEASE THE DEMOCRATIC MEMO"...
It will get released once Schiff stops playing games. I'm just curious why you're so eager to have to defend it since it will have so many holes in it you could use it as a strainer.
What was in the original memo that was classified?
If you remember correctly, the memo nunes showed trump was not the same memo that the committee voted to release. It was edited. In other words, the memo nunes showed trump was altered to make trumps enemies look bad, which is what nunes has been doing for over a year now. He is a liar and a POS.
That is true, but the reason was they felt it was incomplete. They didn't object to anything in the memo being a threat to national security, or otherwise confidential. Apparently, there are such things in the Democrat memo, so they need to be removed.
THEY SAID NOT TO RELEASE IT. What the fuck else do you want? Stop trying to pretend Trump is 'following the same standards'. Total bullshit. The FBI and Justice Dept said NOT to release the Nunes memo BECAUSE IT DID NOT REPRESENT THE TRUTH. And there is a procedure and place to take any questions about impropriety and such, which is NOT PUBLIC. For a reason it is the fucking INTELLIGENCE committee! GOD! Let me say it again. The Nunes memo was an attempt to mislead Americans and protect Trump, regardless to the damage to the USA AND security. (Need another tutorial on why it damages security? Because now our sources and allies can't trust us. Among other things, but this is so obvious and you refuse to even acknowledge it) So now republicans are against law, order, justice, women, LGBT, morality, education, health, truth and investigations. Oh, and patriotism and love of country. We are watching and listening to it all, you know.
So at what point does the far right wing acknowledge that Trump is the worst president ever?
Only wrong part of that statement is the President you named.
I'm not far right wing but to answer your question: When Trump becomes a worse choice than Hillary. Besides he has a long way to go to catch up to Carter or George W.
Ah, twisting words again, and playing the squirrel game. Yawn.
That's not their call. The committee has oversight authority and it is their job to disseminate the truth about what goes on at the FBI and DOJ. An unelected government agency doesn't get to publish it's own oversight. Think about that. That would be hilariously corrupt.
I'm a liberal and I thought I'd never say it but I'd take Dubya back in a heartbeat. He may be as dumb as a box of rocks, but at least he is sane, is not a criminal and is not a Putin cocksucker.
More hypocrisy.
As my Sainted Mother would have said: "What is good for the goose is good for the gander".
Though I believe neither side should have created a memo at this juncture of the investigation (The House portion as lost all credibility in my estimation), since they opted to release the GOP version the only thing to do is let the DEMs have their say to put everything in proper context.
The best course of action would be for the House Committee to shut their gubs on both sides and allow Mueller to complete the investigation. My notion at any rate.
Notion noted.
but this train went runaway rogue when Nunes the Naked and Afraid Neanderthal ninja
ran
all pants on fire with a yearning desire to
pleas
the FritoBandito El Cheetoh De Jesus Pseudo Messiah En Utero
also known as
Some DICK in OUR White House
No argument from me on Nunes (put the S in sycophant), but both sides should have kept their yaps shut until they had completed the investigation. At this point anything coming out of this Committee is suspect (due to Nunes I don't give the GOP a wit of credibility), hence I'll wait to see what conclusions Mueller and the Senate Committee come to.
But for this time being I suppose we must sit back and witness this latest brand of insanity.
Agree, no memo At All, should have ever been released, but once Trump chose 100%, to do so BEFORE ever reading it,
the Dems were really burdened to bring context to the red cherry's picked , but
after Nunes's memo flopped so bad, the response memo is not even required(imho)
Yeah but he didn't say he would release it 100% if it was full of classified material. That's kind of silly, isn't it?
I agree. The Nunes memo fell on it's face so hard that it's nose is still bleeding. The only fun part was watching Hannity and Carlson on FOX turn red faced and the veins throbbing in their foreheads as they jumped around and desperately tried to make something out of this big nothing. Then of course there was the big belly laugh when the moron in chief tweeted that it "Vindicated" him. It flopped around on the news floor for a few hours like a fish, then died and now is only stinking up the place. Only the sickest of right wingers are still trying to feed on it.
Absent the partisan politics, the issue is a simple one. Congress voted to release both the Nunes memo and the Democratic rebuttal. Under House rules, all they asked the president to do was review the memo to determine whether the memos contain information that poses a risk to national security.
The president (i.e. knowledgeable people, not him) reviewed the Nunes memo and saw no risk to national security and released it. I read the Nunes memo and, to me, it poses no risk to national security at all. It suggests that the FBI is abusing its authority but exposing abuse is not, in and of itself, a national security risk. That remains true even if it’s later determined that there was no actual abuse.
However, the president said that the democratic response contains classified and sensitive information and can’t be released. If one memo contains classified information and the other does not, then the two are obviously not similarly situated and cannot be treated the same. I haven’t read the response so I can’t dispute the President’s determination and, quite frankly, I don’t see how anyone else can dispute it either without actually reading the memo.
Trump was 100% releasing the Nunes memo before ever frckn reading it, and the Head of the FBI asked him NOT To.
SO He overrides the FBI and now suddenly they are reliable.
Do You not see the hypocrisy here ?
The actual work for the White House is done by professionals on behalf of Trump not by Trump himself. Congress can release anything it wants to release without regard to what the FBI thinks, especially since the crux of the memo is an alleged abuse of power by the FBI. All Congress asked Trump to do was determine whether releasing the memo posed a risk to national security. I read the memo and didn’t see a national security issue at all. If you saw one, please point it out.
He didn’t override the FBI. Congress voted to release the memo and he declined to do anything other than what he was asked to do (i.e. determine whether the release poses a risk to national security). There was no risk so he released it. The democratic response, however, contained classified information. I haven’t read it but, if you have, please explain what you believe was improperly determined to pose a national security risk.
Hypocrisy is not present if the release of one memo poses a risk to national security and the other does not.
Prove one is a risk, and the other never was
Because they felt it was incomplete, not because it had sensitive or classified information in it. Not only is that a different situation, but it doesn't speak well of the FBI's willingness to obey the Constitution and not abuse their authority. It makes it look like the FBI is the party trying to hide something.
Please refrain from sliming up this seed's comment vines with such childishness...
If you want to establish hypocrisy, then that proof is on you and you can’t prove it without reading the second memo.
and you can' t not prove anything,
until you can't prove you are basing your comments on bullsheet ,
cuzz it's rather evident
unless U have seen the second memo
Yea, well ive got a Heavy One
Nunes serenading Trump...
Sounds like you've simplified it in a way which strips all the relevant info from the issue like the fact that the Dem memo was precleared by the intel agencies and the fact that the GOP members voted unanimously to release it.
The rule says to give it to the president for review, not the intel person of their choice. The president conducts and independent review and can reach his own conclusion.
If Democrats had an intel person look at the memo beforehand and it still has problems, then they should either have that intel person help them scrub the memo and revise it or get another intel person. It should be easy now that the problems have been flagged.
Considering Schiff was so anxious to get his hands on pictures of Trump naked I'm not putting a lot of trust in what he chose to put in this memo.
How come no reply to me asking if you and Rex were accused of murder, it would be alright if only the prosecutors argument was heard, with no rebuttal from the defense team ?
Can you answer this ?
It's like comparing apples and zebras...no connection at all. I abide by the law, the Democrats don't. It's that simple.
Hold up an apple to a Zebra. and I'd bet he scarfs it down.
"I abide by the law, the Democrats don't. It's that simple."
Suppose you were falsely accused...
you still wouldn't want the Jury to here any evidence from the Defense, so as to say, get the FULL picture about WTF happened, cause i'll have to call bullshit again
A defense team can make a rebuttal- if it follows the rules of the courtroom. Otherwise the judge can tell the defense team to knock it off and come back with a real legal case based on facts.
You mean like Trump is being falsely accused, not on flimsy evidence, but on no evidence at all. You're just butt hurt that he is standing up for himself, and that the left wingers can't pin anything on him.
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YEa, the people from his corrupted women battering Trump approved administration are pleading guilty and or being fired left and right because of "no evidence at all".
Do you realize how foolish Trump is making you all out to be....
Skirting the CoC [ph] because you are annoying the shit out of me with your idiotic declarations Skirting the CoC [ph]
Shame on you for talking to a nun that way!
None of your comments have been on topic. Quit the derailing. Get on topic or kick rocks...
Even in a murder trial, you wouldn’t have an unfettered right to risk national security as part of the defense.
Yeah! He should have just swept it under the rug and keep quiet like Clinton .
That’s called a Grand Jury. That is exactly what happens then.
Nowhere near as foolish as you are making YOURSELF look running through the butt hurt talking points.
Several of your pals' comments have been off-topic. Why didn't you reprimand theirs?
Looks like you're bullying ME!
IOW, "Waaah". Can't any of you behave like adults? I am not here to babysit...
Would it be better if I just spelled it FUCK and you put on the profanity filter ?
Actually it would seem U are the only one having a 'problem' with it.
Don't mess with a nun if you know what's good for you Rexy!
Shame on a nun talking "that way"!
Lol...he got his fanny burnt on that one!
This from the article..
I am going to step out on a limb here and say that (D)'s will revise the information in question (classified or especially sensitive passages) and resubmit the rebuttal .. [which in and of itself is strangely ridiculous - each side is sending out their version of events ... will the (R)'s then rebut the (D)'s version - does this ever end?]
Before making accusations of individuals hiding things (namely the President) perhaps reading more that one article from MSN is in order .... since I am going out on a limb, what are the chances/odds that the (D)'s provided information they knew could not be released and the President would 'have' to send it back .... in order to exact the responses that I have just read?
Not sure if CNN is an acceptable source - getting to the point that one never knows, as individuals seem to only seek sources that already support their narrative... if CNN is unacceptable I can provide another - I have read multiple articles on this subject last night and this morning....
or perhaps
it is seemingly obvious that one should question a post exclaiming something is seemingly obvious.
.
one would think, that much,
was seemingly obvious, to about everyone.
Bored huh? Hope your night gets a bit more exciting : )
how'd you guess,
I responded to you ?
.
it's better I lead a more boring life on occasion,
as my 'normal' life can bury people pretty darn quick.
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you can go on attempting to give an "unbiased assessment" and claim there is some sort of equality as in how these memo's have been treated, but actually, all that it is currently doing,
would be eroding your credibility, and ive only just met you.
Of course this is, as is all you would have as well, just mine and yours'
nice little ole opinions.
Though, time will tell which one of us would be correct,
and we both know the
'Truth'
Nah, it was that the response to me was 7 hours after I posted - even though one of 'us' ' seemingly' posted on and off throughout the day. : )
As far as "unbiased assessment" goes ... I really have lil concern how fairly a "memo" is being treated, that is yet just another the"sky is falling" moment and something to bitch about (each individual source has a different spin - presuming one reads more than one source) - the situation is far deeper than "President Trump is being unfair" [Boo Hoo] "Oooo what can be done to stop him? Ooo I know call him names, that should make things fair" kind of narrative. (made me ill to read that crap about Obama when he was President, and I was not a fan of his, as I am not a fan of the current President)
My eroding credibility? HA! Lions and Tiger and Bears Ooo my..... Just met me? .. it is always interesting to read (within reason) what others have to write regarding ones posts - but this is not a competition, this should be a place of conversation /debate of opposing opinions ... not the crap slinging that most seeds become. I have appreciated the civil responses from you.
Truth? is a whole nother subject all together - it is illusive when it comes to government / politicians. "We the People" hear so lil of it from our elected / appointed officials (sad really)
I will wait to see how things unfold (which is not a competition either) Should I come across the Holy Grail of information that causes me to change the opinion that I have formed, I will happily eat my words - until said time, Carter Page and the FISA warrant sought after the fact, seemingly creating an obvious (perhaps "proved definitively" is more appropriate? : ) fishy expedition of the individuals that could possibly contact him - did you know the FBI claims that 40 separate pieces of information was used to obtain the FISA warrant ... one of which was the Steele dossier - do you think the (D) memo will release the other 39 in order to justify the FISA warrant against Page?
Found this article earlier today, thought it was interesting... Page appears to like to talk about himself openly - wonder if he will be charged with lieing to the FBI
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/fbi-has-questioned-trump-campaign-adviser-carter-page-at-length-in-russia-probe/2017/06/26/1a271dcc-5aa5-11e7-a9f6-7c3296387341_story.html?utm_term=.beb1976cdadc
More information .. nothing too exciting - just a report regarding who may have called Page during the FISA warrant ... [sigh]
#releasetherebuttalmemo-cannotwaittothenreadthe(R)rebuttaltothe(D)rebuttal-rinseandrepeat : )
Have a great day - putting my reading glasses away, Meet the Press is almost over, so now I can watch and skip the commercials ... should be interesting this morning!
Take care...
nicely done!
What a shock.
Yeah, I'm floored /s...
Dems lied about the Republican memo. They claimed it was full of information that would compromise national security. That turned out to be not true. But they were sooooo concerned about security.
Now, suddenly any concern about security is unfounded and a simple request to make some changes is dishonestly characterized as an outright refusal to release a Democrat memo.
How can people continue to defend these obvious liars?
That's a very dishonest statement since the memo Nunes released was edited after the committee voted on it. Nunes claims he did that in response to the complaints made by the Dems and the intel agencies.