Has Giving Leftists What They Want Made America Better?
Leftists have made huge gains in stripping godly traditional principles and values from our American culture. It is disturbing to see Christians, conservatives, and Republicans surrendering more ground, allowing leftists to achieve their evil goal.
Beginning in kindergarten through college, our kids are poisoned with toxic liberalism. Parents are poisoned with subliminal and in-your-face liberalism 24-7 via TV, fake news, churches, movies, and so on. Suddenly, like in the movie Invasion of the Body Snatchers, Christians, conservatives, and Republicans are stealthily transformed. They begin spewing leftist narratives. A relative whom I have known to be a strong Christian suggested that I soften my resistance to same-sex couples calling themselves married. This relative is a Christian who has surrendered to leftists' attack on God's plan for marriage.
"Woe to those who call evil good and good evil" –Isaiah 5:20
Folks, has giving leftists what they want made America better?
In 1962, the United States Supreme Court gave leftists what they wanted: the removal of prayer from public schools. So how has that worked out for us?
Since prayer was removed from schools in 1962, out-of-wedlock births for girls 15-19 years old has tripled. Violent crimes have increased tenfold. Single-parent female-headed households have grown from 5 million in 1962 to 12 million and growing.
Sexually transmitted diseases in kids 10-14 years old has skyrocketed, increasing 257% since 1962. Fifteen-year-olds having sex since 1962 is up 1,000%. For decades, divorce rates were declining. Since 1962, divorce rates have increased 117%, making America number one in the world for divorce.
After prayer was removed in 1962, academic achievement severely declined. SAT (Scholastic Assessment Test) scores fell each year for 18 years. Unprecedentedly, we are graduating students who academically know less than their parents.
We have allowed leftists to lower academic and behavioral standards in public schools. An elementary school teacher friend told me she had a student who freely cursed her out, calling her an "m-f." No matter how hard she tried, she could not get the unruly student disciplined or removed from her class. Remember when you were a child? The one kid who brought a switchblade to school was deemed a juvenile delinquent and sent to reform school. Today, weapons (knives and guns) are so prominent in public schools that students must walk through metal-detectors. Has lowering academic and behavioral standards helped our kids?
To a large degree, we have allowed leftists to remove "healthy shame" from our culture. Leftists say the only thing anyone should be ashamed of is being conservative, Republican, Christian, or white. Remember when it was shameful not to know the father of your baby? Today, pregnant women boldly appear on national trashy TV shows, DNA-testing 27 guys to determine the father. Leftists deem female promiscuity feminism at its best, women freely exploring their sexuality. Leftists are angry at God for unfairly sticking women with the annoying possibility of getting pregnant. Promiscuity carries health risks and emotional consequences. Has the normalization of baby mommies and baby daddies strengthened our society?
Around 1993, the programming manager at WJZ-TV, the ABC affiliate in Baltimore where I worked, wrote a play. His play was an outrageous parody of talk shows. Talk shows today on national TV are ten times more trashy than his play.
My 90-year-old dad told me about an incident on a Baltimore transit bus when he was a kid. He and his buddy were purposely making annoying sounds to agitate passengers. Dad heard a woman say, "It's how they were raised." Dad said he immediately felt ashamed of himself. He knew that Aunt Nee had raised him better. Has the removal of healthy shame made our culture better?
SCOTUS complied with leftist demands to redefine marriage to include same-sex couples. This emboldened leftists to demand that LGBT lessons be required in public schools. The mandatory curriculum includes BDSM, asphyxiation, gender-bending, anal sex, and rimming.
My wife chuckled about her parents forbidding her to say "pregnant" when she was a child. Seventh-grade sex ed class was pretty mild. I asked, "How will the sperm know it's time to come out? The teacher replied, "It will know."
Exposing kids too early to porn leads to imprinting, sex addictions, and intimacy disorders. Has robbing our children of their innocence as early as kindergarten improved their lives?
So I am visiting a relative when I look up to catch two guys kissing at the end of a TV drama. The camera followed the couple as they strolled away, holding hands. I expected "and they lived happily ever after" to appear on the TV screen. This is the new normal leftists demand we embrace. LGBT lifestyles have severe health risks. Next week's episode will probably feature the same-sex couple in a beautifully staged bedroom scene on national TV.
Folks, I ask you a simple question. Has allowing leftists to implement their vision for America made us better? I think not. https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2018/04/has_giving_leftists_what_they_want_made_america_better.html
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you think praying in school prevent any of those problems?
More religious bullshit on the front page.
What part of " science " and Politics is not " religious"?
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Empirically based hard science is about as far from faith based religion as you can get.
Religion is based on faith, or belief. Science is based on facts. BIG difference.
Religious belief is subjective and emotionally driven. Science is empirical. logical and objective. They are intellectually opposite fields of study.
Uh, all of it. At least, that's the way it's supposed to be.
Hello Eagle - nice to see you. I have missed your comments!
ftr, nobody cares...
"Woe to those who call evil good and good evil"
As my Sainted Mother would have said: Best to practice what one preaches.
Freedom of religion also means freedom FROM religion. You cant force someone to follow your religion. Mandatory prayer in public school is a clear violation of the constitution.
If it is mandatory, does it not lose its significance regardless of the Constitution?
Sure, but my point is that you cannot make someone believe in something with no evidence that 'something' even exists.
You want mandatory prayer in school? How do you plan to accommodate Muslims? Or any other religion? *crickets*
Though I myself am a-religious, I do not understand the need to pray aloud (as others may not subscribe to your particular brand of prayer). If one feels the need to pray, it can be accomplished silently to ones self and as many times a day as floats ones boat.
I spent twelve tears in parochial schools and the addition of theology and prayer had no bearing on my education.
Crickets, indeed.
It's like when the fundamentalists want to creationism in schools. I'm all for it - should we choose the Atum masturbation creation myth, the barfing turtle myth, the evil god punishing humanity forever for Adam and Eve's curiosity myth .. there are so many creation myths. I guess we'd have to teach them all. Oh wait .. it's only the fundie myth that should be taught (many Christians view the biblical creation myths as allegory, and don't want them taught any more than I do).
Heartland, which of the two biblical creation myths do you believe in? Do you even know there are two of them?
As a pastor and evangelist I fully believe the Bible. However I have long encouraged Christian parents not to put their children in public schools and that fully eliminates any disagreement over what occurs in public schools.
Once the public education system decided that marx and secular humanism were the "gods" of the public arena rather than Christ, there seemed no rational reason to put Christian children in that environment.
Exodus 21 includes all sorts of rules for 'proper' slavery from God. Do you believe that the arbiter of objective morality made rules for how one human enslaves others rather than condemn slavery as immoral?
how does prayer stop or lessen violent crimes, out-of-wedlock-births or single-parent female-headed households ?
how does prayer stop (or lessen) sexually transmitted diseases, 15 year olds having sex or divorce ?
How does prayer improve academic achievement ?
what is the "leftists' attack" on "God's plan for marriage" ? what is "God's plan for marriage" ? why do the conservative minded wish to limit the free speech of same sex couples calling themselves married ?
(please note: i'm just asking questions, i'm not commenting on religion or prayer or anything of that nature.)
The answer to your first 3 questions is, it doesn't!
thank you for the answers !!!
oddly, not even the seeder chose to answer the questions which are related to the article seeded.... it's interesting...
You're welcome.
Of course not. That seems to be a pattern I've noticed.
But not surprising.
He wants to proselytize and slam liberals. That's his only goal here.
That's all he does too.
That's mostly a result of the religious right refusing to have any kind of sex education in school and blocking efforts to hand out condoms in school.
so there was sex education in public schools prior to 1962?
Ok, was there? No idea what your point is. Are you trying to imply that prayer somehow prevents STD's?
OK as a sex education teacher, what do you think we teach?
Hint: don't have sex.
You said the lack of sex education in schools, because of the religious right, was the reason for the large increases since 1962. How do you know that? Do you have some stats to compare it to prior 1962? Was there sex education provided in schools pre 1962?
It isn't rocket science.
Most schools do teach abstinence. What is the relevance to my post?
Becuase the implication is that somehow, sex education has caused an increase in STD's.
well the pill is probably a bigger factor
Oh no!! Damn, I waited 34 years.. I must be slow.
Where did I say that? Perhaps you are thinking of a someone elses post. The post I responded to said it was because of a lack of sex education.
I would say the 60's sexual revolution was an even bigger factor. It was the first time that people in mass, decided that sex out of marriage was OK. But it all goes together.
ahh OK.. I misunderstood.
Which is useless and stupid.
Yeah that too.
Thank god for the pill or we would probably have a litter of children like our parents and grandparents did.
And, I wonder how you would know that?
There is sex education taught in Middle School in the Great State of Alabama and has been for 25 years/
I was quoting a previous post Mags.
I think every public school teaches sex education and has for years.
Only 22 States require sex education to be taught in public schools, and only 13 States require the information being taught in sex education be medically accurate.
" Currently, 22 states and the District of Columbia mandate education about both sex and HIV; two states mandate sex education alone, and another 12 mandate only HIV education."
Why I said "I think".
Or that couples (or women) have the right to use contraception despite what Christian extremists and other theocrats want.
Or be dead like my mother. She died of a self-induced abortion in 1957 at the age of 23.
That depends entirely on the state. The more regressive red states like Mississippi teach "abstinence only" which isn't sex education in any meaningful sense, nor is it effective at all.
It's not a problem, as long as birth control is available. As you know .. too bad others don't.
Bull. People still had sex before marriage; always did, always will. Hell, more of my friends who went to Catholic school got pregnant than the ones who went to public school, probably because they were just told "don't do it" rather than getting any rational education and advice.
Prayer does not keep kids from having sex. Maybe you should be wondering why your so-wise god gave teenagers such raging hormones?
Hint: It didn't. Sex is an amazingly strong biological drive, and during much of humanity's existence, we had much shorter lifespans and therefore we needed to procreate early. Childbirth killed many women, as well, so little girls were constantly being sold off to much older men whose wives had died.
One reason sex before marriage is more common now is that people are marrying at later ages, and very few people are willing to be celibate until their mid to late 20s. Sex is way too much fun to only have it if you're married.
Alabama's Sex Ed curriculum is ranked the worst in the country. The only thing they're required to teach is abstinence - and abstinence-only sex ed is proven to increase the occurrence of both pregnancy and STDs.
Time to teach kids "Actions have consequences" that they alone must solve !
You must take personal responsibility. You cannot change the circumstances, the seasons, or the wind, but you can change yourself. That is something you have charge of.
Jim Rohn
One's philosophy is not best expressed in words; it is expressed in the choices one makes... and the choices we make are ultimately our responsibility.
Eleanor Roosevelt
Societies evolve just as animals do. There was a sexual revolution in the late 50s and the 60s. The revolution was that sexuality became more open and not something to be ashamed of. We evolved past the days when a child {teen} "transferred" out of school for 9 months and then miraculously returned all fit and trim. We all knew that there was a +1 out there somewhere. We also evolved past the days when girls were dying from coathanger abortions or abortions done in back alleys by butchers with no training. We evolved past the time when boys were supposed to go out and sow their wild oats and girls were to be prim and proper and virginal until the day of their wedding. We evolved past thinking that those who were LGBT-Q people were sick and needed cures or banishment.
Because we evolved, we needed sex education in our schools. Young people were much more street wise about sex than their parents thought they were. Unfortunately the street wisdom was not always accurate. They believed rumors about how to prevent pregnancies or STDs. They were certain that certain days of the month were absolutely safe sex days. They almost believed that you could pray away the gay. The 70s and 80s brought an influx of sex education programs led by universities such as Syracuse and Vanderbilt.
Then came the "Just say no and abstinence only" programs that were proposed and implemented by the so called "moral majority". These programs were thoroughly investigated, studied and compared with traditional sex education programs. They were published in the Journal of Human Sexuality, The Harvard Educational Review, The Journal of Higher Education, The Journal of Sociology, and countless othe journals. The results of every peer reviewed study was the same. Abstinence only programs failed miserably with high percentages of teen pregnancies, std occurrences, and sexuality related suicides when compared to students who received traditional, well written sex education programs.
The other consistent finding in this area is that parents overwhelmingly want an outside agency {e.g. the school} to provide their child's sex education. When parents are left to their own devices, 85% of students indicate that they get their sex education on the streets if their schools don't provide the program in school.
Apparently many blue states do to -
18 states (and the District of Columbia) require that, when provided, sex education must include information on contraception.
• Alabama, California, Colorado, Delaware, Hawaii, Illinois, Maine, Maryland, New Jersey, New Mexico, North Carolina, Oregon, Rhode Island, South Carolina, Vermont, Virginia, Washington, West Virginia, District of Columbia
Oh looky there....Alabama is on the list!
This leave 34 states that do not require material on contraceptives. Where is the progressive New York State? and Michigan has been a blue state for about 100 years.
That just means young women prayed that they wouldn't get pregnant when they had sex and then they had a back-alley abortion when they did get knocked up. Or if they were good Catholic girls they just used back door sex.
It's why even today the teen abortion rates and STD rates are highest in the bible-babble belt. The divorce rates are the highest in those states too, apparently due to the parental pressure to put a stamp of approval on a teen pregnancy.
That's easier said than done, when it comes to teenagers and sex. Their hormones are raging, and the parts of their brains that govern impulses are not fully formed.
Reality is what it is - ignoring it doesn't help.
It's also one of the states which requires that abstinence is stressed over contraception - and sex ed is optional in Alabama schools. There's a reason Alabama ranks highest in the country for STDs.
First of all what the fuck is "American culture" supposed to mean? Considering we are a "melting pot" of identities this seems like a ignorant way to start an article unless you are dictating to everyone the author is better than everyone else. This is more conservative social justice warrior opinion with no facts to back up it's assertions. The Left challenged the Right at each turn here asking them to justify the status quo and each time the Right failed to show any meaningful cause. This was most evident during the CA Prop 8 case where under cross examination the whole defense case crumbled on make believe pseudo science and religions dogma.
4th of July, baseball, and apple pie.
Voted you up. "Fourth of July. Baseball. Apple pie."
Damn. Betsy DeVos is winning.
Thank you.
I'm not sure that's a good thing.
Not all things are good. Of course we know that, right?
Indeed.
I love W. VA, Kentucky and the entire South. I love real people who sit on their porches with their neighbors and chew it away. I love 'em because they will just put another cup of water in the beans and invite all to "dine" with them. They are the salt of the earth.
I would go into Mobile to care for my grandson when he was born. It was a mixed neighborhood. Many times, I would take him to the front stoop and we would listen to the blues coming from our next door neighbors as they sat on their porch. These neighbors would collect another people's trash.
Nowhere will you find friendlier people than those who have so little and share so much.
The title of your article should be "Could We Really Have An America Without Realizing The Liberals Were Right?" The answer to that would have been a resounding NO. The piece itself is laughable if it wasn't such a screed for a return to the 19th century view that Blacks were inferior, women should be kept quiet and pregnant, children should be taught their Christianity in school, and those who were anything but heterosexual should be banished.
Let's get it right, every major piece of positive legislation that makes our nation great has come out the liberal mind. You may want to think that the legislation is terrible, but in most people's view, and in the view of the world, it is what makes us the envy of the world. Just a few of those accomplishments:
Almost every one of these was considered radical and even socialist in their time, yet they are many of the things that make America great. So to answer your skewed question, YES, giving liberals what they wanted made America better. Not only that, it is what made America great.
Well stated. Thanks
It's far worse than that! Today you can even find black folks and mixed-race couples portrayed on the TV, and they even show wummins having jobz.....it's almost like they're trying to represent reality rather than a hetero white supremacist Christian male fantasy from the 1950s. Shameful! What's a good bible-babbling Christian extremist to do?
And I fully agree with your idea that there would be fewer STDs if people were not monogamous. That's Bronze-age logic at its finest!
I know it's shocking but it's far worse than that - SCOTUS even requires that mixed-race couples be allowed to marry despite the best efforts of the Mormon and Southern Baptist cults! Here's what one noble jurist and Southern Baptist said not long ago: "Almighty God created the races white, black, yellow, malay and red, and he placed them on separate continents. And but for the interference with his arrangement there would be no cause for such marriages. The fact that he separated the races shows that he did not intend for the races to mix."
This reveals the horrors of leftism.....the fact that they think all Americans deserve full and equal civil rights. As True Christian Conservatives you and I both know that isn't true, as only people like us deserve full rights and the minorities we despise should be treated as 2nd-class citizens at best.
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You forgot bestiality. A True Christian curriculum includes instruction on how to rape a mule and whether using a step ladder is safe.
BS
What's BS? The part where I subtly called out the Christofascist author on his moronic BS?
Both.
Both what? There was only one option offered.
What's BS exactly? Skrekk is exactly right. he even quoted something Judge Leon Bazile (in Caroline County Court, 1958) said. Look it up!
Epic flame-out approaching.
A virtual dog pile on every thread of that bullshit seed, and deservedly so. I stopped reading when it turned into a pity party. I will probably never tire of watching certain demographics take a beating, anytime, anywhere though. Funny how the most respected member/matriarch of the Bush klan didn't have a drop of Bush blood in her. RIP Barbara. As to the rest of the comment, wtf?, and nobody cares.
Fuck yes. I would much rather live in modern America than America 100 years ago, no question. If you are anything other than a white male then things are definitely better for you today.
Or even from 50-60 years ago even.
As would any sane member of society.
From what I can tell conservative Christian extremists like the author and the seeder have lost on pretty much every social issue and society is far better off because they lost. That includes everything from the demise of Jim Crow laws to the advancement of marriage equality without regard to race or gender, women in the workforce, school prayer and other blatantly unconstitutional official endorsements of superstition, the right to use contraception or have an abortion, LGBT rights including protections from irrational discrimination of the sort that conservative bible-babblers used to pass against teachers who were gay, and a whole range of non-discrimination laws about race, sex, national origin, etc in regards to housing, employment and public accommodation. They've even lost in regards to inequitable sports funding at the high school and college level regarding race and gender. In each and every case the conservative bible-babblers were on the wrong side both historically and morally. Heck....they've even had to retract or revise potty bills and odious "religious freedom" bills which were designed to harm specific minorities.
The only example I can think of where theses conservative Christian extremists have prevailed (so far) is in their opposition to the Equal Rights Act. Apparently women having the same rights as men was too big a threat to these misogynistic bigots but they'll eventually lose on that score too.
The one constant in all these cases is that it's always been conservative white Christians who are on the wrong side of history and the wrong side of the right thing to do. And with only a few notable exceptions like Phyllis Schlafly it's primarily been conservative white Christian MEN and the conservative Christian cults they run which are the real societal problem.
"Has giving 'the left' ( what ever that is on any given moment ) what it wants made America better?" Uh, an issue of relevance is yet to be determined.
On the other hand. The rightward slant of America since Reagan has at the very least, 'made America a bit more difficult and far more prone to struggle with simple issues."
Conservative christians? Really? Taliban is a more apt description.
Aren't they synonymous? lol
Both ideologies have contributed to what America is. That is a good thing !
If any ONE ideology ever dominated this country it would never be the same.
I wrote this long ago and posted it before ... sorry but it still stands.
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America needs a mix of all ideologies:
“United we stand, divided we fall”
Does Anyone remember this is still AMERICA ?
America needs a mix of all, conservatives, liberals and progressives.
A good blend will move America forward at a reasonable speed.
Too many of any one ideology is bad for America.
America needs to move forward as the world progresses.
Too many cons = little to no forward movement.
Too many liberals = move too fast forward.
Too many Independents = well you can’t have too many….lol (I’m one) LOL
Please research ALL candidates before you VOTE
The more Americans that research all the candidates for all the offices before they vote and vote for the most qualified, the better our government and country will be.
I'm not sure what benefit there is to society to go slowly on questions of equal rights for women, racial minorities, LGBT folks, etc, or on many other issues like reproductive freedom or having a secular government. It a certainty that conservative Christian extremists will oppose those things but they've always opposed social progress of every kind.....it's their primary raison d'etre.
I'm not either, but I'll bet there have been some. Most things dont change dramatically and many that do end with either many problems or being a total failure. (Hint: Politicians should READ what they vote for)
Changes that come with time, consideration and planning are usually the most effective and long standing.
Also I didn't say it was a perfect solution, just one that has seemingly worked fairly well as the country has evolved from 5 million to 325 million of us in the last 241 years.
I'll still take what we have over any other country I know of. BUT it could be better. I believe in researching all candidates before I vote to give power over my world to any one. I am an independant and belong to no party. No one automatically gets MY power but me.
That's assuming that everyone is on the same page in terms of whether a change is needed - in most cases they're not.
But I think you're really making the argument which Justice Ginsburg made about Roe v Wade, that it would have been better to wait for more public support on the issue before the court ruled. This is one of the very few areas where I fundamentally disagree with her......for example should the court have waited to rule on mixed-race marriage rather than ruling when 72% of the general public and 95% of the public in the states concerned opposed such marriages? If so then what value are civil rights or the constitution itself if the whims of the public are what rule?
Otherwise I agree with you if the subject is something other than civil rights - most issues are resolved better when a wide range of opinions are considered.
The world is ever changing, needed or not. Some recognition and acceptance of change takes more time for some people to accept. In reality no two days are/were or ever will be exactly the same.
And, the rules and acceptance of changes always lags behind the reality of current changes.
O MY GOD a sock hop !!!!
lol
In america our government usually does wait for the changes to become accepted before changing the rules. Go figure they are supposed to answer to us, the masses, the citizens, the voters.
I don't think that's generally true at all, but it's still a question of the chicken and the egg. State-enforced or state-tolerated bigotry gives official endorsement to unconstitutional or unethical things and it both normalizes and perpetuates them. Far better to do the right thing ASAP with the realization that some bigots will need to grow up fast, just as they had to after the Civil Rights Act was passed or after Loving v Virginia was ruled. Plus that's what our constitution demands.
I agree, however most State-enforced or state-tolerated bigotry isn't new.
IMO, These days the changes we see seem more "culture" driven than back when it was all rich white males who had all the power including all the voting power. Most of our primary laws and policies where founded long ago. Including from what I know the most bigitted ones.
True, but I was just trying to keep my comments within the context of what the seeder and the article's author were whining about. They both seem most upset that women and LGBT folks now have the same civil rights and social status as straight white males, and somehow that's supposed to relate to the fact that our secular public schools can't push nutty Christian superstitions on children.
Mostly the author seems to be pining for a bygone era when people like him had special rights and privileged status, an era when women and minorities were treated like crap.
recognition and acceptance of change takes more time for some people to accept, That's life.
Luckily not for all of us.
I was fortunate I had a very good progressive style role model growing up, my grandmother. lol
I learned at an early age to adapt to the world I find myself in.
Guaranteed.....You MAKE people responsible for their own actions..... The problem will solve itself. Seems these days, everyone is looking for their problems to be solved by others, and they usually get it.
Seems "We, Some of The People", are more worried about "Animals" than we are about some of those Dependent Human Wants.
I'm not talking about Mentally Ill, Disabled, or any other debilitating health issue other than Healthy People that choose the wrong path of life, ALL ON THEIR OWN.
There are Tax Payer funded programs for people that willingly choose the wrong path. That's the problem. It's a "Get out of Jail Free" card for Fuckups.
Your Fuckup isn't my responsibility, and there should NOT be some "Life Line" for continuous Fuckups.
how do you propose to MAKE people responsible for their own actions or enforce it ?
what do you propose to do to people who willingly choose the "wrong" path ?
Don't know how I survived with no sex before marriage and no sex education in school.
My Mother was a great sex educator....don't let any boy in your pants, keep your legs crossed and don't you dare come home pregnant.
My talks, sometimes, with my soon to be 17 year old grandson has to do with consensual sex. Just because a girl says yes does not necessarily mean yes. She needs a notarized permission slip. He laughed at that one. It would ruin his life!
How old were you when you got married, if you don't mind sharing?
Heartland, this article is officially locked. You have not been back on it for 13 hours yet we have a ton of flags on it. Please tend to your articles and make sure that you are active in their moderation, especially on an emotionally charge subject, or your flags will not be honored
It is really annoying when a thread gets locked when I am almost done typing a response
Out of curiosity, if 90% of the world is filled with believers, and you feel you are being repressed, what does that say about you as a group anyway? The fact that a 90% majority can feel like they are losing is a telling and interesting point of conversation. You must not be doing it right.
Deflection and surrender noted.
It is enlightening to note that it is only conservatives need to use the impass rule when their arguments take a brutal faceplant when confronted with logic and facts.
it's not surprising. Invoking "impasse" when they're arguments are blown out of the water is just intellectual cowardice. It's like covering your ears and yelling "LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU."