Whose Side Was God On In The Airplane Accident?
Jennifer Riordan was killed when part of an exploding jet engine blew out the window where she was sitting.
Was God on her side?
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Please join us in praying peace and comfort over Jennifer’s family and many friends.
Blessed are those who mourn, for they will be comforted. Matthew 5:4
So many have shared on Jennifer’s commitment to God and people. Let us all learn from her life, the impact she had on the Kingdom of God.
I pray I can have a positive effect on this earth as Jennifer did, God Bless the memory of Jennifer Riordan!
Jennifer’s life Preaches Jesus!
http://www.fggam.org/2018/04/we-mourn-the-loss-of-jennifer-riordan/
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Apr 18, 2018 · Tammie Jo Shults , the pilot hailed as a hero for safely landing a Southwest Airlines plane after one of the jet's engines failed, is a "strong Christian lady"; whose faith contributed to her calm state amid the emergency landing, according to friends and family.
"Most of us, when that engine blew, I think we were pretty much going, 'Well, this just might be it,'" said passenger Peggy Phillips, from Brandon, Texas. "To get us down with no hydraulics and a blown engine and land us safely is nothing short of miraculous to me. She's a hero, for sure."
Tammie Jo Shults’ mother-in-law, Virginia Shults, spoke proudly about her daughter-in-law to media. “I know God was with her, and I know she was talking to God,” Virginia said, adding that Tammie Jo is a devout Christian. Tammie Jo once said that sitting in the captain’s chair as a pilot gave her the opportunity “to witness for Christ on almost every flight.”
https://heavy.com/news/2018/04/tammie-jo-shults-husband-dean-family-children-pilot/
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Where was God during this accident?
Recovering from a hangover after getting pissed with Jesus and the Holy Spirit. It was a great party until Satan showed up!
Ah Lenny...always keeping it classy and going for the low road.
Imaginary friends are fine for children to have; but when adults have them, they deserve to be mocked.
Please get some new material.
Did he cause it? Classification: EVIL
Did he allow it? Classification: EVIL
Did he not know about it? Classification: not a "God".
Did he not care about it? Classification: EVIL
Was he unable to prevent it? Classification: not a "God".
Your comment is speculation. Maybe we are not meant to know God's purposes.
Don't need to know the motivation to determine that his actions are evil. Hitler, I am sure, considered himself to have the most altruistic motivations.
Nationalism, and insisting others join you in the committing of atrocities, is a lot of things, but selfless is not one of those things.
One of the people who helped pull her back into the plane said he "felt a calling from God" to help. He needed a calling from God to help pull her back in? I'm an atheist, and I would have tried my hardest to pull her back in - it's called common human decency.
As a caver my first instinct is to help push when people get stuck going through small holes....
Once ones head goes through that teeny tiny plane window, YOUR DONE !
Anything else after the fact is just a "Reaction" !
Hahaha
True - and yes, anything after that is just a reaction. It's not like anyone had time to think about whether or not to help; they just reacted, and most people's instinct will be to try to help, without thinking about whether or not it's too late.
I saved my ex's life once with the Heimlich, even though I had only read about it. I simply reacted; I didn't think at all, or feel a calling from any gods, or consider my basic morality. It's the only time I've ever been in a situation like that, and again, I think most people would have had the same reaction.
I do wonder - if it were someone who had molested your child, or someone like Hitler, is there enough rational thought underneath the reaction for a person to perhaps NOT to save the person's life when a split second reaction kicks in? I could have walked outside to the garden and pretended I had been outside the whole time, without any repercussions - but even if my ex had been evil, would my reaction still have kicked in and would I still have saved him? I hope I never find out from personal experience. Neither option would make me feel very good about myself.
I saved 3 and got a special Scouting award for it. The folks on the plane DID react, but didn't save. Human Reaction can be slow at times when first thoughts is WTF do I do. Not saying what was tried was a bad thing, it just didn't make a difference.
People "Walk Away" all the time. "Not my business", as they say.
Some just DO ! Isn't that the way of God ?
If I believed in God, I don't think I'd blame him for people choosing to just walk away (especially when there was no danger to themselves for intervening); that would make him pretty immoral IMO. But then, as I mentioned above, I didn't believe in an interventionary god when I was a Christian, for primarily that reason. I wouldn't have been able to keep worshipping him otherwise.
And in the cases I mentioned - what would be worse, saving the life of someone who would go on to kill others, or who would continue to molest children - or basically committing murder by deliberately choosing not to intervene? Stephen King's The Dead Zone comes to mind when I think of that. I think the right thing to do would be to let that type of person die, but is that my judgment to make? Would I actually be able to do it?
Did you have time to think first, or did you just react? I suppose if someone were drowning you'd have time to think - for example, if someone were drowning in the Potomac by my house right now, I wouldn't jump in to try to save them. It's at an extremely high flood stage (something we only see every few years), it's way too cold, I'm not much of a swimmer, and I know I'd just end up drowning and not make any difference in saving the person (not to mention, I'd put other people at risk because now they'd have to try to save me as well). I'd try to see if there were another way to help them, but when the river is like this, they'd be too far downriver by the time I could even find something to throw them or try to find a boat.
I don't either. Look at life on this planet. His....or Her....whichever one wants to believe....I think His/Her words are to live by for the Afterlife judgement.
BUT
Ya kinda have to wonder, when evil raises it's ugly head from time to time, eventually it is defeated by some Good, but should make one think, this throwing a wrench in the works from time to time, is it a way of the "One" seeing what we will really do, as a judgement for the after life ?
I've never seen anything that says "Life will be Great All the time". Have you ?
I was a kid....took a minute or two.....but I did it.
As the book says, "I Never Promised You a Rose Garden"
Good for you!
Exactly !
More "good for them".
I just did what I could.
He will always take your call.
Where was God? Good question.
Still doesn't change anything, except for those that.........................need a reason for something they can't understand.
I believe in God, but I don't think it is 'defensible' if you will, to claim , for example, that God guided the pilot to a safe landing. What about Jennifer? She was a Christian too.
We cannot manipulate God's purposes retroactively. Better to simply acknowledge that we don't understand.
On face value. And on whatever concept of God I can imagine. I believe it infallibly pertinent to totally accept the most absolute of truths that the 'worshippers' have no manipulation what so ever of the 'worshipped.'
An acknowledgement of accepting standards of 'not understanding' assures that those standards will be maintained.
Am not arguing about anything. But the 'concepts' of God, religion, faith have become so fractured these past few decades it has made it easier for some to conclude that participation is not worth the effort and the benefits are few. Unless one's interest is financial are they are in the position to reap the rewards of that faith.
The mother in law of the pilot says "God was with her". The star of the winning basketball team says "praise God, He helped us pull it out" .
You never hear the losing side say "God wanted them to win".
I might nominate that as the comical comment of the year. It truly is funny.
Oh, yes. many times.
I doubt that much of anything could have helped Riordan survive an explosive or rapid decompression like that given that she suddenly went from about 12 psi to about 3.3 psi. Assuming her head and upper torso were out of the aircraft her blood would have quickly outgassed nitrogen even more quickly than an uncontrolled ascent during a dive, and her lungs would have suffered severe trauma. Not terribly survivable even if the other passengers could have pulled her back in quickly.
COD was blunt force trauma.
Correct - apparently she was hit by engine parts. But even without that she likely wouldn't have survived.
In a natural world death is 'ordered' for all of us. Why not Jennifer Riordan?! We can speculate on how many appeals to God was made the world 'over' around the time of Ms. Riordan's death and still ask, "Why not the lot of them?!" Death is what life is not: Spirit is what flesh is not.
I sincerely hope this helps the discussion in some way, my friends.
I doubt it. You're dealing with several hate filled liberals here.
Well, I am a liberal too. (Smile.)
Don't know what that means, but laughing out loud anyway! Come on, you're yanking my line, no? I have been a liberal for a "thousand years now" — everybody, who is anybody, knows I am a Liberal-Christian in here! And, BF - you are 'da bomb'!
"Whose Side Was God On In The Airplane Accident? "
The many !
So Jennifer Riordan was sacrificed for the greater good. Got it.
Why do you say things like that?
Because prayer did not save those people, because it could not save Jenifer Riordan.
People pray when they are scared or they want something. It is inevitable and I will do it myself. But it did not save the people on that plane.
Was she ?
I've always understood that the "Saving" part was for after you leave this earth. Not during.
People who believe in an interventionary god make no sense to me. Even when I was religious, I realized that if God were interventionary, that would make him a dick .. answering my specific prayer while letting millions be slaughtered in the Holocaust, "allowing" terrible things to happen (and causing them as well) ... prayer brings comfort to those who pray, but that's it.
When people say "oh, God saved the two people on the plane who survived" then you have to wonder why he was so happy to kill everyone else, or in this case, why he killed Jennifer while saving everyone else. Jennifer died because of the specific seat she had on that plane, and its proximity to the engine that blew. I was in almost the same seat on a flight to Denver a couple of weeks ago ... this was simply a matter of wrong place, wrong time. Plain and simple, and nothing to do with God. The pilot's training is what enabled her to land that plane safely (and for those who disagree and claim God did it, realize that you're then claiming that God deliberately murdered everyone on planes which crashed without the pilot being able to safely land).
The efficacy of prayer is always obvious after the fact. We were saved ? - God did it. We went down ? - God had other plans for us.
Well stated. In short, faith disables critical thinking. When it comes to matters of faith, even highly intelligent people have no trouble blazing through illogic to preserve their beliefs. The indoctrination that yields faith as an asset (instead of a liability) is a master stroke of religions. Works superbly to keep the faithful in line.
Sometimes, prayer is used in giving thanks. There is rarely a day that goes by that I don't give thanks.
Sometimes, I call up my entire family asking for something or giving thanks
Crazy....huh?
I don't think it's crazy - I think prayer does help the person who's praying feel better. As TiG said, much as meditation does.
I still ask my Mom to pray for people, since I don't pray - it makes her feel good to do it. And it makes the person she's praying for feel better, too, even if it doesn't actually make any difference in what happens.
Some people pray only when they are scared and they want something. Others pray continuously in their spirit from sunrise to sunrise! Prayer is not a "get out of your circumstances free card," it is an appeal, a supplication, one always with the realistic understanding that I, you, we, exist in a world of life and death. These two are permanently joined in this world for now. The best, I have ever asked for is for a simple death (when the time comes), such as dying in one's sleep. Even then, I realize that I am a player on the field of my life and not its Referee!
That's true!
It is funny when believers cannot seem to understand that. Saying their god intervenes in our lives is the same as saying he is a total asshole. Apparently god cares more about touchdowns than kids with leukemia.
I doubt she was talking to God while landing the plane - instead, she was relying on the training she received and focusing on how to safely land the plane. And it paid off.
Goo question to ask her.
Flying an aircraft that has lost an engine providing that the engine did not blow the wing off is pilot training dating back to getting a multiengine rating. She utilized the training as well as simulator practice, the loss of pressurization is also practiced, her focus was on incident response and not talking to the invisible guy.
Exactly. If I had been flying it, I could have prayed to my heart's content and we still would have crashed.
Which just made me wonder. Why is the past tense of pay "Paid" but the past tense of pray is "prayed" instead of "praid?"
Should be pretty obvious by now, either god doesn't exist, or just doesn't care about us.