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After Gaza Killings, World Reacts With Wave Of Condemnations, Calls For Restraint

  

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Via:  jbb  •  8 years ago  •  51 comments

After Gaza Killings, World Reacts With Wave Of Condemnations, Calls For Restraint

After Gaza Killings, World Reacts With Wave Of Condemnations, Calls For Restraint


https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/05/15/611328820/after-gaza-killings-world-reacts-with-wave-of-condemnations-calls-for-restraint


 

Israeli forces killed at least 60 protesters and injured more than 1,000 on Monday, firing on demonstrators who had massed along its roughly 40 mile boarder with the Gaza Strip — but by Tuesday, the bloodshed's political fallout had reached nearly every continent.

Several countries called for international inquiries, citing what the United Nations described as "appalling deadly violence," while others summoned Israeli diplomats to explain the security forces' actions. From South Africa to Saudi Arabia, from Turkey to Guatemala, Israel was met with a mixture of condemnations, pleas for restraint — and, in some cases, open arms.

Meanwhile, at the U.N., where the Trump administration blocked a call for an independent probe on Monday, the Security Council opened its Tuesday session simply with a moment of silence for the dead. Then, the meeting quickly turned heated over the violence that unfolded Monday on the Gaza border as the U.S. dedicate its new embassy in Jerusalem.

"Who among us would accept this type of activity on your border? No one would," U.S. Ambassador to the U.N. Nikki Haley told members, defending Israel's response. "No country in this chamber would act with more restraint than Israel has. In fact, the records of several countries here today suggest they would be much less restrained."

As NPR's Michele Kelemen reports, Haley and her Israeli counterpart, Danny Danon, cast the unrest as the product of rioters and some militants who, in Danon's words, were just using the embassy's opening as "the latest in a series of Palestinian violence against Israel."

Haley punctuated her comments by walking out of the chamber when the Palestinian ambassador to the U.N., Riyad Mansour, addressed the council.

But Kelemen notes that British Ambassador Karen Pierce expressed shock at the high death toll — and sounded a much more critical note.

"It is a familiar — depressingly familiar — pattern that we have seen over recent weeks, and it includes the deaths of children," she said. "At a highly sensitive time in the region, we call for calm and we call for restraint."

It is a sentiment that was echoed not simply in the U.N. chambers but across the world Tuesday, as many countries voiced their official, and at times visceral reactions.

 



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JBB
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1  seeder  JBB    8 years ago

This is a news story so please keep all comments on topic and observe the CofC. Thanks, JBB...

 
 
 
Galen Marvin Ross
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2  Galen Marvin Ross    8 years ago

It is something I have seen coming for a few years now, actually for a few decades, ever since the PLO lost power in the region.

 
 
 
JBB
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2.1  seeder  JBB  replied to  Galen Marvin Ross @2    8 years ago

It was heartbreaking when Palestinians elected Hamas to represent them but desperate people make bad choices.

I don't think it is a trump card justifying giving up on the peace process or not continuing to explore peace paths.

 
 
 
charger 383
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2.1.1  charger 383  replied to  JBB @2.1    8 years ago
but desperate people make bad choices.

and pay the price.  I don't feel sorry for them

 
 
 
Galen Marvin Ross
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2.1.2  Galen Marvin Ross  replied to  JBB @2.1    8 years ago

According to what I've learned since the announcement came out that the embassy was being moved, this was a last step in the Palestinian and, Israeli peace process, it was suppose to take place after both states existed, not only in theory but, in actuality. Trump in jumping the gun, jumped the shark here, he has screwed up all the diplomatic achievements that were gained from the formation of Israel to now. 

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
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2.1.3  Colour Me Free  replied to  Galen Marvin Ross @2.1.2    8 years ago
he has screwed up all the diplomatic achievements that were gained from the formation of Israel to now.

Can you direct me to the diplomatic achievements to which you speak .. I would be interested in reading about these successes that Trump has now "screwed up"...

Here is a brief timeline of failed diplomacy long before Trump was elected President....

Israel-Palestine: the real reason there’s still no peace

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Postmortem accounts vary in their apportioning of blame. But nearly all of them share a deep-seated belief that both societies desire a two-state agreement, and therefore need only the right conditions – together with a bit of nudging, trust-building and perhaps a few more positive inducements – to take the final step.

In this view, the Oslo accords of the mid-1990s would have led to peace had it not been for the tragic assassination of the Israeli prime minister Yitzhak Rabin in 1995. The 1998 Wye River Memorandum and its commitment to further Israeli withdrawals from the West Bank would have been implemented if only the Israeli Labor party had joined Benjamin Netanyahu’s coalition to back the agreement. The Camp David summit in July 2000 would have succeeded if the US had been less sensitive to Israeli domestic concerns, insisted on a written Israeli proposal, consulted the Arab states at an earlier phase, and taken the more firm and balanced position adopted half a year later, in December 2000, when President Clinton outlined parameters for an agreement. Both parties could have accepted the Clinton parameters with only minimal reservations had the proposal not been presented so fleetingly, as a one-time offer that would disappear when Clinton stepped down less than a month later. The negotiations in Taba, Egypt, in January 2001 were on the brink of agreement but failed because time ran out, with Clinton just out of office, and Ehud Barak facing almost certain electoral defeat to Ariel Sharon. The two major peace plans of 2003 – the US-sponsored road map to peace in the Middle East and the unofficial Geneva accord – could have been embraced had it not been for a bloody intifada and a hawkish Likud prime minister in power.

And on it goes: direct negotiations between the Palestinian president Mahmoud Abbas and Netanyahu in 2010 could have lasted more than 13 days if only Israel had agreed to temporarily halt construction of some illegal settlements in exchange for an extra $3bn package from the United States. Several years of secret back-channel negotiations between the envoys of Netanyahu and Abbas could have made history if only they hadn’t been forced to conclude prematurely in late 2013, because of an artificial deadline imposed by separate talks led by secretary of state John Kerry. And, finally, the Kerry negotiations of 2013–2014 could have led to a framework agreement if the secretary of state had spent even a sixth as much time negotiating the text with the Palestinians as he did with the Israelis, and if he hadn’t made inconsistent promises to the two sides regarding the guidelines for the talks, the release of Palestinian prisoners, curtailing Israeli settlement construction, and the presence of US mediators in the negotiating room.

The article is an interesting read...

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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2.1.4  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Colour Me Free @2.1.3    8 years ago

LOL.  Every possible reason/excuse for no peace treaty save for Palestinian intransigence.

 
 
 
Krishna
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2.1.5  Krishna  replied to  JBB @2.1    8 years ago
It was heartbreaking when Palestinians elected Hamas to represent them but desperate people make bad choices.

True.

Fortunately Americans, unlike Palestinians, Americans aren't desperate :-)

(And since we aren't desperate, when it comes to electing our leaders , we only make good choices, because only desperate people make bad choices)

 
 
 
Krishna
Professor Guide
2.1.6  Krishna  replied to  JBB @2.1    8 years ago
It was heartbreaking when Palestinians elected Hamas to represent them but desperate people make bad choices.

Actually that's a rather commonly held misconception. That Hamas, the more extremist of the two parties, won because the Palestinians were so desperate. But that's not why they won. (And BTW, it was a fair election).

Here's what really happened. Many extremely well-informed people in the area (on all sides of the issues) knew that the majority of Palestinians were becoming sick of all the fighting, etc, and felt that with the PLO there was a reasonable chance for peace-- but they also knew the bloodshed would never end if Hamas won. (Hamas is an extremist and very brutal terrorist organization-- their organizing principles include the end of a Jewish state. While the PLO has at times supported terror, there is a chance they might support a two state solution). So what happened?

A lot of what westerners unfamiliar with the history make guesses that seem like they might be true-- but they are assumptions. So here is the key fact that many here are unaware of: the PLO had been powerful for quite a while, and so had became corrupt. Extremely corrupt-- most Palestinians had become totally disgusted with them. So while most Palestinians feared the cpnsequences of a Hamas victory, short term, when they actually got into the voting booths, they just couldn't make themselves vote for the extremely corrupt PLO. So-- Hamas won).

 
 
 
nightwalker
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2.1.7  nightwalker  replied to  Krishna @2.1.5    8 years ago

Following that line of logic, stupid people make stupid choices. What does that say about us as a country?

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
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2.1.8  Colour Me Free  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @2.1.4    8 years ago

I thought you, of all people might appreciate that post : )

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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2.1.9  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Colour Me Free @2.1.8    8 years ago

Why did you word your comment "you of all people"?  I appreciate lots of posts. 

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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2.1.10  Greg Jones  replied to  JBB @2.1    8 years ago
I don't think it is a trump card justifying giving up on the peace process or not continuing to explore peace paths

But the ongoing problem is that Hamas doesn't want a peace process, they continue to believe they can destroy Israel somehow. They care not for a state or a capital. They also continue to throw women, children, and the old and infirm in harms way. The whole world sees exactly what they are doing, and has little sympathy, in spite of the headlines.

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
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2.1.11  Colour Me Free  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @2.1.9    8 years ago

I knew that was bad wording ... but I did not change it.  I simply meant that I thought you might appreciate it, as you are a strong supporter of Israel.

 
 
 
Pedro
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2.1.12  Pedro  replied to  Greg Jones @2.1.10    8 years ago

Israel doesn't seem any more interested in peace than HAMAS. Each side views the other side as terrorists.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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2.1.13  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Colour Me Free @2.1.11    8 years ago

You mean Krishna's comment number 2.1?  Actually, I normally approve of all of Krishna's contributions to the site. On a previous web site (I'm afraid to mention its name because the last time I did it was considered an offence) Krishna was the first friend I made (Perrie was the second) and since I was inexperienced in posting on social news sites, he provided much good advice to me, and I considered him to be my mentor. 

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
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2.1.14  Colour Me Free  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @2.1.13    8 years ago
Krishna was the first friend I made (Perrie was the second) and since I was inexperienced in posting on social news sites, he provided much good advice to me, and I considered him to be my mentor.

I can appreciate that Buzz .. I had some pretty great people assist me when I first started on newsvine after my stroke .. they allowed me to ask questions, that they never hesitated to answer with civility ... JimSpence and ProIndividual did not make it to Newstalkers, and I never knew their real names - Ed - Navy Doc is here though : ) ... he is the one that suggested I read the history of a subject before forming my opinion on current events..

I respect Krishna's comments .. except on the subject of Storm Daniels  : ) [laughter]..        ....  Perry is straight up good people, in my book...

Sorry for wondering of topic...

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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2.1.15  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Colour Me Free @2.1.14    8 years ago

I never had any interest in the Storm Daniels matter, and didn't bother reading any of the articles or comments, so I never saw what Krishna wrote there.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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2.1.16  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Pedro @2.1.12    8 years ago
"Israel doesn't seem any more interested in peace than HAMAS. Each side views the other side as terrorists."

Obviously you've never been to Israel, and I also doubt you've been to any of the Palestinian/Hamas areas, in order to make such an uninformed statement.  However, it's hard to blame you for that, since the mainstream media provokes hatred of Israel in every way it can.  I've just seeded two articles about that.

 
 
 
Krishna
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2.2  Krishna  replied to  Galen Marvin Ross @2    8 years ago
It is something I have seen coming for a few years now, actually for a few decades, ever since the PLO lost power in the region.

Yes. Here are the specific details:

Part I: After the Israeli occupation of Gaza ended (2005) and the Gazans were to (finally) have self-government, there was to be an election. Now in most of the Arab world, elections are fixed. But numerous foreign countries insisted this one be fair-- and many outside observers were sent to monitor the election. (Palestinians in both parts voted-- the Occupied West Bank and the newly independent Gaza).

And strange as it may seem, this election was actually fair!

Hamas won. However, they agree to co-administer Gaza with the PLO. All of which was quite positive. (In fact, if it proceeded that way, there would probably now be a totally independent Palestinian state!

(cont'd in next comment)

 
 
 
Krishna
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2.2.1  Krishna  replied to  Krishna @2.2    8 years ago

(cont'd from previous comment):

Hamas won. However, they agree to co-administer Gaza with the PLO. All of which was quite positive. (In fact, if it proceeded that way, there would probably now be a totally independent Palestinian state!

Part II: But then Hamas changed its mind-- they refused to share power with the PLO. Violent clashes between the two broke put (between Hamas and the PLO-- Israel wasn't involved in the fighting because they had just ended the Occupation of Gaza-- there wasn't a Jew left in the entire place). Hamas consolidated their control fairly quickly....

Hamas won the short "war", and governed as a undemocratic police state. Oppoents of Hamas were tortured, imprisoned and murdered. (Their favourite tactics were shooting opponents in the knees so they wouldn't die but suffer greatly. The other was throwing political opponents (and gays )off high buildings to their death).

And that's when the large barrages at rockets started being fired at Israeli towns. Not surprisingly, Israel couldn't tolerate that--- they retaliated. And that's why the situation in Gaza is what it is today.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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2.2.2  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Krishna @2.2.1    8 years ago

Hamas is also good at dragging people behind a motorcycle or car through the streets.  They're very good at torturing people. They would have made Dr. Mengele proud. 

 
 
 
Galen Marvin Ross
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2.2.3  Galen Marvin Ross  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @2.2.2    8 years ago
They would have made Dr. Mengele proud.

Or, Ms. Haspel.

 
 
 
livefreeordie
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2.2.4  livefreeordie  replied to  Galen Marvin Ross @2.2.3    8 years ago

That is CIA Dirctor Haspel.  Congrats Ms Haspel.

 
 
 
Freefaller
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2.2.5  Freefaller  replied to  livefreeordie @2.2.4    8 years ago
Congrats Ms Haspel.

Lol that's CIA Dirctor Haspel.

 
 
 
Galen Marvin Ross
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2.2.6  Galen Marvin Ross  replied to  livefreeordie @2.2.4    8 years ago
That is CIA Dirctor Haspel.

Yep, she and, Dr. Mengele have a lot in common, glad you agree.

 
 
 
Galen Marvin Ross
Sophomore Quiet
2.2.8  Galen Marvin Ross  replied to  Texan1211 @2.2.7    8 years ago

Try again, I don't accuse without evidence.

 
 
 
livefreeordie
Junior Silent
2.2.9  livefreeordie  replied to  Galen Marvin Ross @2.2.6    8 years ago

They have nothing in common.  Ms Haspel is an American hero who unlike you, has dedicated her life to keeping America safe

 
 
 
livefreeordie
Junior Silent
2.2.10  livefreeordie  replied to  Galen Marvin Ross @2.2.8    8 years ago

All leftist lies.  If you really loved this country, you’d thank her for all she’s done to keep America safe

 
 
 
Galen Marvin Ross
Sophomore Quiet
2.2.11  Galen Marvin Ross  replied to  livefreeordie @2.2.10    8 years ago
If you really loved this country, you’d thank her for all she’s done to keep America safe

LOL, you know nothing about me, if you really did you wouldn't have posted this obvious lie. I have never condoned torture, she has, in fact she backed it during the Bush Administration and, then tried to hide it from the American people. I and, my family have served this country through all but, two of her wars, we have ancestors that were presidents and, governors and, senators, one of my ancestors signed the Constitution, Haspel has put a stain on this country and, deserves jail time for what she has done.

 
 
 
Galen Marvin Ross
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2.2.13  Galen Marvin Ross  replied to  Texan1211 @2.2.12    8 years ago
Well for Gods sake, man, why did the Obama Administration ignore her "obvious" crimes? Why didn't they prosecute her?

The question should be asked of Eric Holder, who was AG at the time but, it might be in this story that was written at the time.

Prosecuting the people responsible for the torture wasn't popular at the time.

 
 
 
Galen Marvin Ross
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2.2.15  Galen Marvin Ross  replied to  Texan1211 @2.2.14    8 years ago
Oh, so prosecutions were based on popularity in the Obama Administration?

No, what I meant was that prosecuting such a case at the time would have been damaging to our country as a whole, causing more damage than just letting it go by without prosecution, at the time it would have not only required that the people who actually did the torture to be prosecuted but, the members of the administration as well, you know, guys like George W. Bush and, Dick Cheney.

 
 
 
Rmando
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4  Rmando    8 years ago

Great Britian and other European countries should be more concerned about what's going on in their own countries. The elites in charge are more worried about giving a pass to violent and militant Muslims than they are protecting their own citizens. London is now officially more dangerous than New York and multiple stabbing attacks are routine. The global elites have made it clear that the rest of the world should stand down and accept casualties from the militant jihadist groups.

Israel has every right to defend themselves and the UN already treats them like a pariah nation. I hope Israel stands firm and keeps the safety of its citizens as its number one concern.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
Professor Expert
4.1  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Rmando @4    8 years ago

Off Topic "BF"

You are correct, off topic is off topic.

 
 
 
Rmando
Sophomore Silent
4.1.1  Rmando  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @4.1    8 years ago

Off topic "BF"

Declaring that your own comment is off topic and will probably get deleted was accurate.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
Professor Expert
4.1.2  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @4.1    8 years ago

No value {SP}

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
Professor Expert
4.2  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Rmando @4    8 years ago

Israel is today's Alfred Dreyfus.  IMO for the same reason, and it saddens me, there are NT members, who, since they are intelligent enough to use the internet, repeat that historical travesty.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
Professor Expert
5  Buzz of the Orient    8 years ago

"It is a familiar — depressingly familiar — pattern that we have seen over recent weeks, and it includes the deaths of children,"

And why is that? Could it be because the Hamas terrorists send the children up in front of them when they try to break through the security barrier? Like they did with the seven year old girl during the first days of the riots, but the IDF sent her back to her parents.  Using human shields is a typical Hamas/Palestinian technique.

 
 
 
Krishna
Professor Guide
5.1  Krishna  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @5    8 years ago
Using human shields is a typical Hamas/Palestinian technique.

Unfortuately that is true. 

And, strangely, they even admit it:

Hamas using Palestinians as human shields: We desire Death as you desire Life

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
Professor Expert
5.1.1  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Krishna @5.1    8 years ago

In fact they've gone on to say that their desire for a martyr's death is their secret weapon - While Jews sanctify life, they covet death. 

 
 
 
Freefaller
Professor Quiet
5.1.2  Freefaller  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @5.1.1    8 years ago
death is their secret weapon

Not all that secret...or effective.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
Professor Expert
5.1.3  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Freefaller @5.1.2    8 years ago

It's effective enough to even influence some NT members, notwithstanding their being intelligent enough to use a computer.

 
 
 
Krishna
Professor Guide
5.1.4  Krishna  replied to  Freefaller @5.1.2    8 years ago
Not all that secret...or effective.

In one sense its not effective, but in another sense it is. It convinces the Idiot Utiles* that the Palestinians are poor innocent victims of the evil Jews. Its a propatganda ploy, and the naive and uninformed fall forit (yu can even see that on social media sites such as here on NT).

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Idiot Utiles*: "Useful Idiots"-- a term with an interesting history-- here's the English version.

(An opportunity to "Get Smarter Here"...although I am aware fof the fact that doing that would be no more politically correct here on NT than it would've been of that other site (the one "whose name shall not be mentioned"). 

 
 
 
Krishna
Professor Guide
6  Krishna    8 years ago

 The Palestinians (and their naive apologists) were supposed to be totally outraged-- this was supposed to go on for some time. But has it?

What happened???

 
 

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