James Clapper in New Book: "Of Course" The Russians "Swung The Election To A Trump Win"
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James Clapper in New Book: "Of Course" The Russians "Swung The Election To A Trump Win"
Posted By Tim Haines on May 23, 2018
Former Director of National Intelligence James Clapper writes in his new book, "Facts And Fears". that he has "no doubt" the Russian influence campaign swung the 2016 presidential election to Donald Trump.
MSNBC's Rachel Maddow read a short excerpt from the book, available now, ahead of an interview with Clapper Tuesday night.
"As a private citizen, I had no doubt they influence at least some voters. Looking at the savvy ways Russians targeted specific user groups -- for instance, buying advertisements on Facebook promoting Clinton's support of the Black Lives Matter movement and ensuring those ads ran only on the pages of white conservative voters in swing states... Looking at how they created lies that helped Trump and hurt Clinton and promoted these falsehoods through social media and state=sponsored channels to the point that the traditional US media were unwittingly spreading Russian propaganda... and at how they ran a multifaceted campaign and sustained it at a high level from early 2015 until Election Day 2016... Of course, the Russian effort affected the outcome. Surprising even themselves, they swung the election to a Trump win. To conclude otherwise stretches logic, common sense, and credulity to the breaking point," Maddow read from Clapper's book.
"Less than eighty thousand votes in three key states swung the election," the excerpt continues. "I have no doubt that more votes than that were influenced by this massive effort by the Russians."
"Oh," MSNBC's Rachel Maddow said. "The immediate past director of national intelligence, who was director of national intelligence during the Russian attack on the election says he has 'no doubt' the Russian attack 'swung the election to a Trump win.'"
"That means that the immediate past director of national intelligence believes Donald Trump is only president because of a successful foreign intelligence operation to make him president," Maddow said.
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The Illegitimacy of Trump's Presidency. Putin and his troll army got the King of Vulgaria elected POTUS.
Well, "I Want MY COUNTRY Back, Too!"...
" Of course, the Russian effort affected the outcome. Surprising even themselves, they swung the election to a Trump win. To conclude otherwise stretches logic, common sense, and credulity to the breaking point," Maddow read from Clapper's book."
Of course NOBODY can prove that a single vote was influenced by Russia, just like I can't prove that a single vote was influenced by the access Hollywood Tapes, which the Washington Post dumped on October of 2016. Why has Clapper waited all this time to come to this conclusion?
Hum....
Clapper didn't come to that conclusion when he was head of the CIA. What did he tell us then? :
J AMES CLAPPER: We did not include any evidence in our report, and I say, "our," that's N.S.A., F.B.I. and C.I.A., with my office, the Director of National Intelligence, that had anything, that had any reflection of collusion between members of the Trump campaign and the Russians. There was no evidence of that…
Recently Clapper was on the View, where he tried to explain the revelations concerning spying on a political campaign.
First he tried to deny it:
They weren't spying
Then:
“Not spying on the campaign but what are the Russians doing?"
Finally:
And in a sense, unfortunately, what they were trying to do is protect our political system and protect the campaign.”
Translation:
There was no spy, but if there was he was spying on Russians and the spying was to protect Trump, who should be thankful.
It is hard to believe this habitual liar, who was once sued by the ACLU, was selected to be CIA Director. How did that happen? Oh, ya, Clapper happened to be a leftist who would have no reservations about politicizing the CIA, thus Obama nominated him.
I get it you want to demonized and delegitimize everyone who is standing up to trump...
The problem is more and more republicans seeing Mueller's evidence will support Mueller.
By "standing up" you obviously mean leaders of powerful intelligence agencies spying on a private citizen running for President.
Clapper's not standing up to the President. He's trying to cover his ass and make excuses for spying.
There is no doubt anymore that only with help of Putin's Troll Army is Trump illegitimately President today...
Do you really think that my vote for Trump was because of what I read? And, no one was holding my hand when I voted. From her mouth to my ears!!!!
Yes, I do
Figured you read but didn't understand.
Thank you. I have always enjoyed your comments to me.
If I had been holding your hand, I would have talked you out of voting for that dirtbag.
I voted for Trump not the dirtbag Clinton!
Some day you might accept the fact that the Democrats ran an awful, horrible, terrible POS candidate
And some day you might accept the fact that the Republicans ran a criminal, racist, misogynist, and stooge.
So, with all of those alleged flaws, Trump still beat your gal.
Says alot about democrats and their voters.
Only with the Electoral College, the people saw right through him.
Only with illegal votes did she win the unpopular vote.
The electoral college is a representation of the people. Try again.
If you would stop changing the subject, you might actually learn something.
I stated that the PEOPLE saw through Trump. That was why he lost the popular vote. GOT IT??? I SAID THE PEOPLE!!! You can see it, it is plain as day, right in front of your nose if you bother looking.
Did I say that Trump wasn't POTUS? NO, I DIDN'T!
So if you have issues with what I said, keep to the subject... Stop claiming I said something else entirely.
The "people" that live in California. Up until those votes were counted the Crone of Chapaqua was losing the popular vote to.
A damn poor representation of The People if a krazy olde fella who lost by three million votes won it anyway.
Still, there is not doubt Trump won the electoral college but he had to cheat and accept Putin's help to do it...
Only because you are on the losing end. Did you at least get your trophy?
Our culture peculiarly honors the act of blaming, which it takes as the sign of virtue and intellect.
Lionel Trilling
"In '16 our election peculiarly rewarded Putin's trolls for targeting a few voters in swing states" - JBB
The middle of the country only hold to their guns and religion. They don't have computers….or TV's.....or smarts ! Remember ?
I am from the middle of the country and they may be temporarily led astray but they ain't stupid.
A once bright red Texas is shading purple so you cannot fool all of the People all of the time, still...
"Purple" is mellow....
….all out "Blue" is depressing....literally !
"Red" is invigorating !
If you are a Mexican bull ready for slaughter, "Toro". Georgia is trending even more purple now, too...
Alrighty then.
You have no idea what she stands for and what she was running on, but because of her ideology and more important to you, her race, she is automatically your winner.
Sad!!
And when she loses, they will scream racism. Wait for it.
That was made clear when we look at who won those areas in 2016.
So it's OK then if I blame you for every negative aspect of society?
Sure....if that's what you need to do.
It's the age of the NEW "intellectuals" ?
"-personal responsibility went out the window"
That's hard work. Can't have that in this country anymore.
Don't know about need, just desire.
"Desire".... See "Need" !
Putin wanted his orange boyfriend in the White House because he knew he could control him. Putin is afraid of Hillary. He should be
That Pee Tape surely is coming in handy for Vlad Putin...
Would like to watch that video because as we all know, Putin provides very beautiful whores to those he blackmails.
Yeah, butt remember, Trump will also be in all those frames. "Trump Slept Here". Eww...
No and neither did you because none exist. Bill had a few dalliances but he kept his family together.
Unlike Trump...
Once Putin has no more use for Trump, he will release the pee tapes, Tex, YEEEEEHAWWWW!! Can't wait...
The problem is Putin, reportedly the world's first trillionaire, is doing just fine colluding with Trump...
Who, by the way, is mad jealous of that Putin was designated the reputed Richest Man in the World.
Oops forgot about that part. Ewwww!!!!!
And yet, the President has gone against his wishes on several occaisions......how do we make that look like Putin's plan?
Which times?
Putin's plan was to help Trump in return for Trump not imposing sanctions. It was a win win for Vlad...
Maybe he's referring to this?
" President Trump on Monday put the brakes on a preliminary plan to impose additional economic sanctions on Russia, walking back a Sunday announcement by U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations Nikki Haley that the Kremlin had swiftly denounced as “international economic raiding.”
or this...
" The Trump administration said on Monday it would not immediately impose additional sanctions on Russia, despite a new law designed to punish Moscow’s alleged meddling in the 2016 U.S. election, insisting the measure was already hitting Russian companies."
or this...
" Trump’s national security advisers warned him not to congratulate Putin. He did it anyway."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trumps-national-security-advisers-warned-him-not-to-congratulate-putin-he-did-it-anyway/2018/03/20/22738ebc-2c68-11e8-8ad6-fbc50284fce8_story.html?utm_term=.590654a597c3
"President Trump called on Tuesday to congratulate President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia on his re-election, but did not raise with him the lopsided nature of his victory, Russia’s meddling in the 2016 presidential election or Moscow’s role in a nerve agent attack on a former Russian spy and his daughter living in Britain."
" We don’t get to dictate how other countries operate. What we do know is that Putin has been elected in their country, and that’s not something that we can dictate to them how to operate." White House Press Secretary Sarah Sanders
"I have no relationship with him other than he called me a genius,” Trump said. “He said, ‘Donald Trump is a genius and he is going to be the leader of the party and he's going to be the leader of the world or something.’”
“We're going to have a great relationship with Putin and Russia.” DJT at campaign victory speech in 2016
“If he says great things about me, I'm going to say great things about him. I've already said, he is really very much of a leader." DJT
If Putin doesn't have something over Donald I would be surprised as hell because at every opportunity right up to the point he is forced by a supermajority vote in the house and Senate to add sanctions, he's acted like he wants to lick Putin's Ball sack.
Since when?
Hillary said that Putin won his election by rigging it, which caused civil unrest in Russia. He returned the favor by exposing her attempt to rig the primary and actually doing the very thing that she accused him of doing. Nobody thought Trump would win. Putin did it because he, like many others, hates Hillary.
You do know that there is a HUGE difference between a party primary and a national election don't you? Maybe you don't. You see, a party primary is not bound by any federal election laws, the party heads could hand pick their nominee if they so chose, thus it's impossible to "rig" a primary as by it's very nature it's rigged and doesn't rely solely on votes cast. What Putin did was to rig a national election with ballot stuffing, fake opponents while jailing or threatening actual opponents, destruction of opponent ballots and violence against protesters. To claim the Hillary campaigns back room arm twisting of the DNC was equivalent is to be either monumentally stupid or enormously misinformed.
Putin doesn't want to make it seem too obvious that he is blackmailing Trump. (He's KGB after all is said and done).
Barack and Hillary stood a chance with Putin, but Trump is way out of his weight class.
barack and Hillary stood a chance with Putin, but Trump is way out of his weight class
Why do you embarrass yourself?
The idea that Obama, who attacked Mitt Romney for calling Russia a threat, wasn't a Putin toady is belied by the entire course of his Presidency, starting with the disastrous reset and ending with Obama ordering his Security staff who were pleading for action to stand down and do nothing as Putin interfered in the election.
Barack Obama's Presidency is exactly like what it would look like if a President was actually working for Russia, from energy policy, to Syria, to refusing to arm the Ukrainians, to missile defense etc,... His status as Putin's catamite was perfectly encapsulated by Obama's groveling to Putin's errand boy that he'd be free to help Putin more once he got the election out of the way.
Apparently you don't know much about the past decade of foreign policy with Russia. You see, Europe, NATO, the UN and western democracies in general all had high hopes for Russia joining them as a free and fair democracy up until 2014 when they illegally invaded the Ukraine, illegally annexed Crimea, lied about their troop involvement and brazenly began to arrest and assassinate political opponents, journalists and protesters. So until then everyone was hoping for a "reset" to get them back to a functioning democracy instead of the oligarchy that Putin had formed.
LOL I wondered about the same thing about the republican party when they stepped aside and allowed a former democrat to invade and take over their party. I guess they didn't have anyone who was already a conservative republican who was any better to run either.
It's called keeping up appearances. You act is up until then all political parties were pure as the driven snow and didn't engage in bitter infighting, backstabbing and party politics in general and as if there has never been a contentious party nominee selection before. All the emails revealed was the political sausage making of every political party in history, it's just that they got exposed in the middle of a campaign by an enemy foreign government who wanted them to lose. The Russians also hacked the RNC emails server, they just chose not to release those emails, I wonder why? It certainly wasn't because Republican party politics were so exemplary as they had 18 candidates in the 2016 cycle calling each other every name in the book. I'm sure we would all be as shocked by what is in the RNC emails as some were about the DNC emails. Sadly, we won't get to find out until Putin no longer finds this President or the Republican party useful. That's when we'll get the RNC emails and the pee tape, not that it will do us any good now that Trump has tainted the white house forever with his incompetent vile stench.
Your opinion, that is all it is and a lame one at that, is bullshit as HRC won the primaries by 3,000,000 votes...
It was Putin's trolls stirred up that Bernie BS after the nomination against Bernie's wishes. What's that tell ya?
All that explanation does is clarify why democrats don’t mind following a scoundrel who secretly bought control of the DNC and used it to squeeze her opponent out of the primary so she could run in (and she thought) win the general election. The fact that it’s not illegal is completely irrelevant. Taking a seat on the bus before an old lady can sit down isn’t illegal but only an asshole would do it. Lots of Bernie supporters know exactly what Hillary did and they got even. She lost because she stinks.
Well, firing missiles in Syria for one. You can look up the others.
And what did Barack do about it? Not a damned thing....so, it looks like he was either incompetent or being handled by Putin......
No, it's not my job to look it up if you made the claim. And I don't think firing missiles into Syria is a good thing. Syria is not our problem. Let them handle it themselves
He has done a great job of controlling Trump so far. The Russian sanctions are still in place. Trump has upped US military presence in Syria.
Russia wanted US citizens even more polarized. Mission accomplished.
What Russia did is no different that what Obama did in Israel during their elections; and what the US has done countless times in other countries. What has changed is they have an unwitting ally in the Establishment on both sides wanting to bring Trump down. They cannot stand an outsider holding the highest US office.
Can't stand Trump; but Hillary is no better. Maybe if she had spent any time campaigning in fly over country; and less time fund raising on the leftist coasts- we could be arguing about the uber hawk Hillary trying to start WWIII with Russia, China, NK, and Iran.
I can't disagree with you on this. She thought she had it all sewn up and got complacent. She fucked up and now we're stuck with the orange clown baby who has his stubby, KFC stained fingers on the nuclear button
Putin did have pretty good control over Obama or have you forgotten about Obama begging for more time to comply with Putin's wishes.
Did you forget about this?
Obama has a couple of open mic moments as his legacy.
Meh, someone needs to tell Clapper they lost significantly more votes than that simply because the ran the canklenator. Those 80,000 votes are inconsequential by comparison.
Run a sea hag, get a sea change ..... deal with it Clapper ..... but of course you are, by writing a book and cashing in on it.
Classy Clapper, classy.
Clapper and the Democrats are even stupider than i thought. They spent a billion dollars and received billions more in cheer leading by the MSM, yet the Russians supposedly tipped tens of thousands of voters in by spending $1,979 in Wisconsin, $823 in Michigan and $300 in Pennsylvania, to steal the election!. Give the trolls the billions spent in support of Clinton and they could have won the US, UK and Canadian elections for Trump.
Consideing the billions Hillary spent, the cost it took to persuade someone to actually vote for her is incredibly high. If you believe Clapper, Trump "swung" voters for literally pennies in comparison.
That does not compare with Putin's Russian Troll Armey spreading propaganda on US social media...
Voter suppression is also a factor. Remember those stories aimed at getting Bernie fans to not vote?
When you call Hillary a sea hag or the Canklenator, don't get pissy when someone calls trump something derogatory.
What I would call Trump would likely get me banned so....................
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Address the topic, not each other, please.
Besides being your run of the mill partisan whore, James Clapper got caught lying to Congress. He's incredibly lucky he's not in jail.
Hardly, though there is ample evidence such low bred critters do exist round about these here parts...
And that’s based on Clapper’s personal belief, “as a private citizen” (and an Obamacare appointee) that the Russians could influence “at least some voters” and tipped the election “surprising even themselves.” This “cause and effect” fallacy in Clapper’s statement is what Maddow, as part of the media-based Trump resistance, seizes on to support the hackneyed Hillary narrative that she was defeated by the Russians not Trump. Specifically, it ignores political reality and replaces it with Clapper’s opinion which is actually entirely speculative.
Hillary had the second highest negative ratings in polling history, not due to the Russians, but due to her 40 years of lying and conniving dating back to watergate. She was lying and connyving even during her election, which led to an investigation by the FBI. That investigation was triggered by her use of a private secret server for “all” of her government business that had no apparent purpose other than to evade the Freedom of Information Act and congressional inquiries. The truth had to be pried out of her in Congress and FOIA lawsuits.
While she was running for president, her scheme to rig the democratic primary was exposed. She can say the Russians exposed her but the point is that she was trying to rig the primary against Bernie. Even Elizabeth Warren recognized that. Some of Bernie’s angry supporters took to the internet, vowing to either stay home or vote for Trump. I saw exchanges where they recognized that they could cut Hillary’s throat by concentrating on swing states. Blaming the Russians for exposing her shenanigans is the height of gall.
She was not only incompetent as Secretary of State, she provided no security for the mission in Benghazi, which led to a disaster. Instead of managing, she spent her time traveling and lining her pockets (through her questionable foundation) in a pay to play scheme.
Then there was her campaign. She never gave anybody a reason to vote for her other than she has boobs and she’s not Trump. That’s in addition to being at the head of a party who’s major platform is based on abortion on demand, gender flipping, establishing hideouts for illegal aliens, political correctness, and labeling all who disagree as an “ist” or a “phobe.”
Yet, to Maddow and the democratic simpletons, the Russians are the reason Trump is President. This kind of stupidity will get him re-elected and the democrats can blame the Klingon empire but he’ll still be president. And, no, I’m not a Trump supporter.
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As there was in the aftermath of Watergate there will be an accounting of all the enablers...
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Have no idea what I said wrong there. Probably calling out what will happen when the full truth finally comes out.
It is impossible to "prove" that the Russian efforts to discredit Hillary Clinton cost her the election. Common sense and an understanding of what happened during the campaign would lead sensible people to believe that Russia (through it's intermediary wikileaks) did probably swing the election.
For weeks we heard about the DNC emails every day in the nightly news. For another set of weeks we heard about the hacked Podesta emails (which purportedly contained embarrassing information about the Clinton campaign) every day in the nightly news. The Russian disinformation campaign also spread fake news about Hillary through the internet and social media. Stories that she had fatal diseases, a brain tumor, and other disqualifying medical conditions were disseminated in part through the efforts of Russia. Social media ads , negative to Clinton, were micro -targeted at swing state voters, by the Russians. And of course Donald Trump endlessly repeated the results of the Russian hacking at every one of his campaign rallies, and even asked the Russians to keep them coming. To think that none of this extensive public talk based on the Russian hacking and Russian disinformation efforts had a decisive effect on actual votes strikes me as delusional.
We don't know the Russians hacked the DNC server. The transfer rate it was hacked at means it was somebody doing it directly on a flash drive. Most likely a disgruntled Bernie supporter. At any rate what's the difference between that and sitting on the Access Hollywood tape until right before the election or somebody illegally releasing one of Trumps tax returns?
Actually, we do. Guccifer 2.0 has been proven a front for Russian State Intelligence a/k/a Putin's Troll Army.
Did you miss the part where the reports show the data rate of the transfer to be too high for internet and ethernet connections. The only way to get that high transfer rate is to physically be sitting at the system and download it all onto a RHDD.
But I know facts aren't the lefts thing.
That is a rightwing conspiracy theory. We're talking about Russian State Intelligence not a personal computer.
So you are ignoring that fact as well. Not like it surprises me.
"The VIPS theory relies on forensic findings by independent researchers who go by the pseudonyms "Forensicator" and "Adam Carter." The former found that 1,976 MB of Guccifer's files were copied from a DNC server on July 5 in just 87 seconds, implying a transfer rate of 22.6 megabytes per second -- or, converted to a measure most people use, about 180 megabits per second, a speed not commonly available from U.S. internet providers. Downloading such files this quickly over the internet, especially over a VPN (most hackers would use one), would have been all but impossible because the network infrastructure through which the traffic would have to pass would further slow the traffic. However, as Forensicator has pointed out, the files could have been copied to a thumb drive -- something only an insider could have done -- at about that speed."
Science is a right wing conspiracy.......right.
You must be some kind of IT expert.....LOL
But none of that changed anyone's minds. People had already decided that Hillary wasn't worth voting for.
She got three million more popular votes than Trump did. Putin won it by stealing 3 swing states...
Yeah, I'm sure a few Russian ads on Facebook swung the election. It just couldn't have been Hillary calling others deplorables, telling coal miners they should be fired or having her emails show up on a sexual predators lap top....
There is evidence of 120 million American views of Russian propaganda on American social media prior to the elections.
Well, even if true, as Harry Reid would have said..."It worked didn't it"? Better luck in 2020. In the meantime we will continue to gloat.
I have no doubt you will. Fortunately Tuesday November 6th is just five months away then off to Elba...
Even if Russian trolls had an influence (and that's a big if) it would still be the fault of guys like Zuckerberg letting them buy ad space to begin with.
True to some extent. Facebook learned that if social media doesn't regulate itself regulation will be imposed.
That still did not make it legal for our foreign enemy to illegally interfere in our election with Trump's okay...
How is that a big if? Do you have ANY idea how much both parties spend on political ads? If none of them have any influence at all, why spend all the money? "If" the russians had any influence? Seriously? Do you think they would have gone through all the damn trouble if they knew they couldn't change even one vote? You are in denial.
Do you also blame women when they are raped because they wore a dress?
Comparing a multi millionaire and powerful social media controller like Zuckerberg to raped women is way off base and makes no sense it at all. I'd go so far to say that's one of the worst analogies I've ever read.
And they were all in the swing states becuase there is the www.swingstatesfacebook.com that all flyover america goes on........
There were over 3,000, and with 1+ billion people using facebook.... More than, "a few", by a long ways. Nice try though.
Anyone that still can't see that putin helped trump win the election is either a russian troll or a blind partisan hack. The evidence is literally overwhelming.
Oh, please....if that "evidence" is so compelling you could produce many examples of it. What you're essentially saying is that a few ads on social media changed a handful of votes. Anyone who claims that would be lying and making stuff up. Anyway, none of this matters cuz the Trumpster ain't goin' nowhere's
And yet nobody's seen any evidence.
Correction: "Nobody has seen all the evidence, yet"...
After seeing what Mueller has on Trump the gop's Mitch McConnell changed tracks to support Mueller.
Except Mueller's team, the grand jury and intelligence committees nobody knows what the evidence is.
And the evidence would be where? Your link doesn't provide the evidence.
After seeing the evidence he sided with Mueller because he saw nothing of importance that would intimidate Pres. Trump.
Like everyone else you must wait for Bob Mueller to file his report which will be forthcoming...
Where did you pull that out of? McConnell after seeing classified evidence conceded the investigation is valid.
Actually, she has a point. He is just as likely to support the investigation regardless of how much evidence/or lack of evidence there is involving Trump. You seem to be talking about the justification for an investigation. I assume there is ample evidence that Russia meddled in the 2016 election. Wasn't that supposed to be the basis for the investigation?
yes.
No, not according to sound logic or what is reported. Nobody, excepting for Trump, wants Mueller's Russiagate investigation done, over and closed before this Fall's mid-term elections than olde Mitch McConnell does but given the opportunity and having seen the evidence McConnell chose to stand behind Mueller. He had not other viable choices after seeing the evidence Mueller has against Trump. There is no way in hell McConnell would not have come out of that classified briefing without saying it is bullshit and a witch hunt if the evidence against Trump, his campaign, his family and associates was not ample, convincing and damning...
Is that after he asks for extensions like he has done for his indictments? Come on, we all know he's got nothing.
I for one want it to continue for as long as possible. Public opinion has now turned against the deep state, the investigation and the democrats. I wish the mid term elections were held tomorrow!
but given the opportunity and having seen the evidence McConnell chose to stand behind Mueller.
You keep making that claim - as if Mueller has evidence against Trump, which you don't know. McConnell said he is in favor of BOTH investigations continuing! Which only means that the Senate leader is in favor of transparency, nothing more.
Lol yeah, I volunteered to be part of the tip of the spear against the Soviets (Russians) during the Cold War in the 80’s.
Yep, i’m A Russian troll ...... hilarious!!!!
None one here is shocked.
I didn't say anything, Sparty is the one that said they are a russian troll.
Yeah, very sarcastically so.
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A lot of us did so you're not unique
Didn’t say I was.
Bottom line is this. Just way to many Russians in The Trump Orbit. And these associations go back almost two decades. A lot of Russian oligarch money too----and every Ruble of it stolen from the Russian people.
All jokes aside, I am surprised that Trump got ten million votes. He is after all, Donald J. Trump. Ten million ----------Americans is believable, but sixty plus million-------speaks volumes.
It means a whole lot of folks are way smarter than you think, and they will reinforce that message again in November. Don't say you didn't see it coming, as the Democrats are losing supporters on a bigly basis daily. And you apparently don't have a clue as to why this is happening, do you?
And of course neither do you. In the 1936 elections in Germany the Nazis took it all.
Lucifer smiles.
Every time some Trumpster tells another BIG OLDE LIE a demon in Hell gets his, or her, horns and a tail...
In 1936 Germany was already a totalitarian state. You may want to take the time to read up on how & why Hitler came to power in an impoverished, unstable, penalized nation before you make your little comparisons
Exactly. And Trump is following the-----------exact-----------same path. Goebbels playbook is being used by conservatives.
We know that and when Russia arrested 3 of the hackers not long after the election but claimed no government responsibility it was just the beginning of what we know right now.
Both the DNC and RNC were hacked, social media platforms were manipulated which Facebook has confirmed, Twitter is under constant attack by bots and paid trolls, the investigation so far has Trump associates and campaign hires either pleading guilty, cooperating, under indictment, or still under investigation for conspiring with Russia to gain a campaign advantage, and we also know there are 13 indictments against Russians involved.
We also know our electoral system is vulnerable to hacking as we saw demonstrated at a tech trade show where a machine was hacked in quick order.
The only people who refuse to see that they were used, manipulated and conned are the blind followers of Trump.
At least seven state's election systems were hacked by Russian State Intelligence per Homeland Security.
We? We know nothing of the sort. Even goppers seeing still classified evidence support Mueller...
History will be unkind to those who justified, excused and abided Trump's assault on Democracy.
This is why you guys are so desperate to end Mueller’s investigation. You know that the evidence is building.
The same James Clapper who testified to Congress in 2017 that he had no idea if Russia impacted the election? That he had no qualifications to offer an opinion?
"We had no way of gauging the impact that—certainly the intelligence community cannot gauge the impact--it [Russian cyber activities] had on the choices the electorate made," Clapper told McCain.