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Trump strikes fiercely patriotic tone at Naval ceremony: 'Yes, America is back'

  

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Via:  heartland-american  •  8 years ago  •  228 comments

Trump strikes fiercely patriotic tone at Naval ceremony: 'Yes, America is back'

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President Trump on Friday gave a triumphant, patriotic speech to 2018 graduates of the U.S. Naval Academy, promising to stand up for the U.S. without apology and hailing what he said was the re-emergence of American confidence since he took office.

“Our economy is the strongest it’s ever been and our country has regained the respect that we used to have long ago abroad,” he said in the commencement speech in Annapolis, Maryland. “Yes they're respecting us again, yes America is back.”

Trump spoke to 1,042 newly commissioned ensigns and second lieutenants. In his remarks, he highlighted his efforts to increase federal spending and took credit for securing pay increases for the military and more ships.

He told the graduates that a robust military made America safer as “you’re less likely to have to use it if you have it,” but said that if the U.S. must fight, then it should fight to win.

“If a fight must come, there is no other alternative,” he said. Victory, winning, beautiful words but that's what it's all about.”

His remarks come a day after he cancelled a planned summit with North Korean dictator Kim Jong Un amid aggressive language from that country. Defense Secretary Jim Mattis on Friday, however, hinted that the summit may be back on “if our diplomats can pull it off.”

Trump has heightened tensions with Iran after he pulled the U.S. out of the 2015 Iran nuclear deal -- a deal he had repeatedly blasted as a bad deal put together in part by the Obama administration

In his speech Friday, Trump also targeted “critics and cynics” within America who he said have sought to downplay the U.S.

“A growing number use their platform to denigrate America's incredible heritage, challenge America’s sovereignty and weaken America’s pride,” he said.

That appeared to be a reference to some Democrats, who in a tweet earlier Friday Trump accused of “rooting against” the U.S. in its negotiations with North Korea, and siding with MS-13 gang members.

“We are not going to apologize for America, we are going to stand up for America -- no more apologies,” he said in his address to graduates. “We are going to stand up for our citizens, stand up for our values and stand up for our men and women in uniform.”

Trump ran his 2016 presidential campaign on the slogan “Make America Great Again” and in his remarks, suggested that he believed that his campaign slogan was being achieved, citing a “great reawakening of American spirit and American might.”

“We have rediscovered our dignity, regained our stride and we are proud again,” he said.

Fox News’ Lucas Tomlinson and The Associated Press contributed to this report.


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Old Hermit
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2  Old Hermit    8 years ago

What some sycophant's are saying;

Trump strikes fiercely patriotic tone at Naval ceremony: 'Yes, America is back'

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What some of our American warriors are saying;

Navy graduates deride 'physical coward' Trump ahead of Academy commencement address

Two graduates of the United States Naval Academy in Annapolis, Md., penned an op-ed in The Baltimore Sun questioning President Trump's suitability to deliver the commencement speech to this year's graduating class of midshipmen on Friday.

"It is right and fitting that the president of the United States give a commencement address to a service academy’s graduating class," Daniel Barkhuff and William Burke wrote in Wednesday's edition of the paper. "It is also right and fitting that citizens of the democracy for which these graduates will soon be charged with protecting point out the personal cowardice, narcissism and incompetency of the current president." 

Barkhuff and Burke graduated from the Academy in 2001. They now work at Veterans for Responsible Leadership. 

They wrote of the sacrifices made by various Naval Academy graduates, such as Sen. John McCain, over the years. 

"Contrast this to the personal and professional honor of the sitting president of the United States, who time and again makes small choices guided by self-interest, ego, impulse and immediate self-gratification," they wrote. "He could never do what we ask our U.S. Naval Academy graduates to do. He is a physical coward, a liar and no leader at all." 

If their opinion reached Trump, it had no impact on the enthusiastic tone of his address.

 
 
 
MrFrost
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2.1  MrFrost  replied to  Old Hermit @2    8 years ago

Excellent post AH. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.2  Vic Eldred  replied to  Old Hermit @2    8 years ago

Tell both of them (all two of them) to stuff it!

 
 
 
JBB
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2.2.1  JBB  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.2    8 years ago
Tell both of them (all two of them) to stuff it!

Can't we all assume that academy grads from back in 2001 earned their right to disagree with Trump?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.2.2  Vic Eldred  replied to  JBB @2.2.1    8 years ago
Can't we all assume that academy grads from back in 2001 earned their right to disagree with Trump?

Everyone does. The fact that they were academy grads dosen't give their opinion any extra validity and I believe that's why the two academy grads from 2001 was dug up.

If the purpose was to show what the military thinks of Trump, why not use polling:

"If you're in the military, you're more likely to support President Trump than not, according to a new poll."

The   Military Times   poll   found that 44% of all troops surveyed had a favorable view of the president, compared to 40% who had an unfavorable view.

 
 
 
JBB
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2.2.3  JBB  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.2.2    8 years ago
44% of all troops surveyed had a favorable view of the president, compared to 40% who had an unfavorable view.

So is 44% good for active duty troops? It seems damn pitiful for a sitting POTUS among his own troops...

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.2.4  Vic Eldred  replied to  JBB @2.2.3    8 years ago
So is 44% good for active duty troops?

Yes, considering there are 16% who are undecided.

 It seems damn pitiful for a sitting POTUS among his own troops...

Really? It's a huge improvement over the President he succeeded:

"More than half of troops surveyed in the latest Military Times/Institute for Veterans and Military Families poll said they have an unfavorable opinion of Obama and his two-terms leading the military. About 36 percent said they approve of his job as commander in chief. "

 
 
 
JBB
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2.2.5  JBB  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.2.4    8 years ago

36% or 44% both are damn pitiful for a sitting POTUS among his own troops...

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
2.2.6  Vic Eldred  replied to  JBB @2.2.5    8 years ago
36% or 44% both are damn pitiful for a sitting POTUS among his own troops...

Perhaps you can give us an example of what President had the kind of approval you believe is good?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.2.7  Vic Eldred  replied to  JBB @2.2.5    8 years ago

Maybe, your'e right, we should take a breather. Ok, talk later

 
 
 
Old Hermit
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2.2.8  Old Hermit  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.2.2    8 years ago

"If you're in the military, you're more likely to support President Trump than not, according to a new poll."

The   Military Times   poll   found that 44% of all troops surveyed had a favorable view of the president, compared to 40% who had an unfavorable view.

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Tell both of them (all two of them) to stuff it!

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Military Times Poll: What you really think about Trump

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Dam It!  My beloved Marines are getting it wrong again and screwing up the curve. ( smile )

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Navy 39.5% approve  49.3% think he's a lying peace of, er ah, disprove.

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Looks like Barkhuff and Burke were giving voice to a majority opinion for the Navy, (& Air-Force), not just their own.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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2.4  Greg Jones  replied to  Old Hermit @2    8 years ago

point out the personal cowardice, narcissism and incompetency of the current president......contrast this to the personal and professional honor of the sitting president of the United States, who time and again makes small choices guided by self-interest, ego, impulse and immediate self-gratification," they wrote. "He could never do what we ask our U.S. Naval Academy graduates to do. He is a physical coward, a liar and no leader at all." 

The same could be said of Billy Bubba Clinton and Baraq Hussein Obama, neither of who ever served. Nevertheless, Trump is and will remain C-in-C until 2020

 
 
 
The Magic 8 Ball
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2.5  The Magic 8 Ball  replied to  Old Hermit @2    8 years ago
who time and again makes small choices guided by self-interest,

LOL too funny.

trump is guided by our interests, trump is pushing OUR agenda, trump is doing exactly what we elected him to do.

is doing what we asked in his best interest?  yes and trump will be re-elected in 2020

 

 
 
 
321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu
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4  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu     8 years ago

Donald Trump, who claimed this week that a high draft number kept him from fighting for his country in Vietnam , actually received a series of student deferments while in college and a medical deferment after graduation, according to Selective Service records.

On Tuesday, Trump never mentioned his medical deferment when he told WNYW, the Fox affiliate in New York City why he didn't serve in the war.

"I actually got lucky because I had a very high draft number. I'll never forget, that was an amazing period of time in my life.

"I was going to the Wharton School of Finance, and I was watching as they did the draft numbers and I got a very, very high number and those numbers never got up to," he said.

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President Trump on Friday gave a triumphant, patriotic speech to 2018 graduates of the U.S. Naval Academy, promising to stand up for the U.S. without apology and hailing what he said was the re-emergence of American confidence since he took office.

“We have rediscovered our dignity, regained our stride and we are proud again,” he said.

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Quite a jump.

 
 
 
lady in black
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4.1  lady in black  replied to  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu @4    8 years ago

Just MORE trumptard lies

 
 
 
lady in black
Professor Silent
4.1.3  lady in black  replied to    8 years ago

That America needed to be made great again and is back.  Back from what, America has always been great.

 
 
 
Skrekk
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4.1.4  Skrekk  replied to  lady in black @4.1.3    8 years ago
America has always been great.

Or at least it has claimed to be even when it wasn't.   Trump seems to want to bring America back to the good old days of the Jim Crow era when women and minorities knew their place.

The Ugly American is his notion of what America and Americans should be.

 
 
 
The Magic 8 Ball
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4.1.5  The Magic 8 Ball  replied to  Skrekk @4.1.4    8 years ago
Trump seems to want to bring America back to the good old days of the Jim Crow era when women and minorities knew their place.

trump is not going to bring back old democrat policies... LOL

Jim Crow laws
Jim Crow laws were state and local laws that enforced racial segregation in the Southern United States. Enacted by white Democratic-dominated state legislatures in the late 19th century after the Reconstruction period, these laws continued to be enforced until 1965. More at Wikipedia
we are only going back to when trade deals benefit our country and men cannot enter the ladies restroom just because they feel pretty today.
 
 
 
Skrekk
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4.1.6  Skrekk  replied to  The Magic 8 Ball @4.1.5    8 years ago
trump is not going to bring back old democrat policies... LOL

Other than their party affiliation it sounds like southern conservatives haven't changed much at all in the past 150 years.   No wonder they're Trump's deplorable base.

 
 
 
The Magic 8 Ball
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4.1.7  The Magic 8 Ball  replied to  Skrekk @4.1.6    8 years ago
Other than their party affiliation

that bs arguement again? 

the dems and repubs magically switched parties? 

try that on someone who has never read a history book.

 

 
 
 
Phoenyx13
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4.1.8  Phoenyx13  replied to  The Magic 8 Ball @4.1.5    8 years ago
men cannot enter the ladies restroom just because they feel pretty today.

um.. i'm not sure that anyone in the country is even trying to allow that. I know lots of men who feel "pretty" and they don't try to enter into the ladies restroom because of it - they use the men's restroom regardless if they feel "pretty" or not.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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4.2  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu @4    8 years ago

Its kind of funny that you ride the President for not serving, yet 99% of the US population hasn't served.  On top of that I'd venture a guess that about 70% of that are not physically capable of serving and the remaining are split between being too scared to serve or can't meet the mental requirements to serve.  

And yes, I am part of that 1% that served.

 
 
 
cjcold
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4.2.1  cjcold  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @4.2    8 years ago

I was never good at taking orders.

 
 
 
321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu
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4.2.2  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu   replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @4.2    8 years ago
can't meet the mental requirements to serve.

You may be on to something......

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Donald Trump, who claimed this week that a high draft number kept him from fighting for his country said, "I actually got lucky because I had a very high draft number."

hailing what he said was the re-emergence of American confidence since he took office. trump said, "We have rediscovered our dignity, regained our stride and we are proud again. ” 

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LOL "dignity and pride" ....LOL   Those words seems kind of ironically undignified when the president chose to even lie about the reason for his own non service but now is the commander and chief.  

Yes many have not served, however I find president trump’s lying and bragging so typically hypocritical by this man who holds so much power over all of us I felt like exercising my right to point it out.  

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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4.2.3  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu @4.2.2    8 years ago
Donald Trump, who claimed this week that a high draft number kept him from fighting for his country

My father had a high draft number as did many others.  What's your point.

hailing what he said was the re-emergence of American confidence since he took office. trump said, "We have rediscovered our dignity, regained our stride and we are proud again. ” 

LOL "dignity and pride" ....LOL   Those words seems kind of ironically undignified when the president chose to even lie about the reason for his own non service but now is the commander and chief.  

Yes many have not served, however I find president trump’s lying and bragging so typically hypocritical by this man who holds so much power over all of us I felt like exercising my right to point it out.  

You are more wrapped up in what he said.  You should be wrapped up in what he's done and doing since taking office.  From a Soldier's perspective, he's done more for the military in ~15 months than his predecessor did in 96 months.  You also seem wrapped up in the President lying.  Why?  He is just like every other politician.  They all lie.  But for some reason, President Trump doing it seems to have destroyed your world.

 
 
 
321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu
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4.2.4  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu   replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @4.2.3    8 years ago
My father had a high draft number as did many others.  What's your point.

Does your father lie about why he didn't serve ?  FYI: I also had a high draft number and wasn't drafted and felt bad that some of my buddies were not so fortunate. I never lie about why I didn't serve. I dont believe our president should either.

You also seem wrapped up in the President lying.  Why?  He is just like every other politician.  They all lie.  But for some reason, President Trump doing it seems to have destroyed your world.

My world at this point is fine so far president trump has not disrupted my world. Yes all politician may do some lying, trump doesn't really lie because the truth doesn't matter to him anyway, he'll say whatever he wants to get what he wants. That's a step beyond simple lying ... it's a lifestyle.

Any president with that lifestyle would concern me and I would think it would and should concern many others as well. 

personally I cant stand people who lie to me and they are usually not part of my world for long. 

Looks like I'm stuck with this one for a few more years at least though.

sad

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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4.2.5  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu @4.2.4    8 years ago
Does your father lie about why he didn't serve ? 

So you are more wrapped up in what he says vs. what he's done.  

My world at this point is fine so far president trump has not disrupted my world.

If you say so.  

personally I cant stand people who lie to me and they are usually not part of my world for long. 

And yet you are giving the President space in your head rent free.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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4.2.6  Trout Giggles  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @4.2.5    8 years ago

Do words matter at all to you?

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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4.2.7  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Trout Giggles @4.2.6    8 years ago
Do words matter at all to you?

Actions mean more.  Comparing Obama and Trump?  Trump is the winner. 

  • Lifted Obama's restrictive ROE that allowed the military to actually do their jobs.  Because of that, ISIS is reeling, even 70 Taliban leaders killed in a HIMARS strike.  
  • Tax cuts that put a few THOUSAND in my bank account (unlike the petty $40 I got from the Obama / Democrat tax cuts).
  • 5 terrorists captured, not released, captured, 17 US Citizens freed from foreign prisons to include North Korea.  And all that without paying out billions or arming our enemy like we saw under Obama.

 
 
 
cjcold
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4.3  cjcold  replied to  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu @4    8 years ago

Over a stack of $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

 
 
 
lennylynx
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5  lennylynx    8 years ago

Great seed, HA, this speech by the President needs to be exposed to and noted by all.

 
 
 
magnoliaave
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6  magnoliaave    8 years ago

Great seed!  It's possible he may be making the trip to NK after  all  Way to go, Mr. President.

 
 
 
lennylynx
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6.1  lennylynx  replied to  magnoliaave @6    8 years ago

They eat dog in Korea...morning Mango! Happy

 
 
 
Jasper2529
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6.1.2  Jasper2529  replied to  lennylynx @6.1    8 years ago
They eat dog in Korea

So? It's a very common practice in many Asian countries. As of 2014, it was still legal to eat dog meat in many states in the US.

 
 
 
magnoliaave
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6.1.3  magnoliaave  replied to  Jasper2529 @6.1.2    8 years ago

Well, yuk!

 
 
 
lennylynx
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6.1.4  lennylynx  replied to  Jasper2529 @6.1.2    8 years ago

Lol, just thought I'd mention it because our President may be going there.  Do you suppose he'll try it?  Former President Obama has.

 
 
 
Jasper2529
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6.1.5  Jasper2529  replied to  lennylynx @6.1.4    8 years ago
Lol, just thought I'd mention it because our President may be going there [Korea].

As reported, if the summit occurs, it will take place in the originally scheduled location: Singapore, not Korea. They are two different countries. 

Do you suppose he'll try it? 

Perhaps.

Former President Obama has.

Yes, I know. And, Obama's palate has greatly expanded since he left his Muslim country of Indonesia.

 

 
 
 
lennylynx
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6.1.6  lennylynx  replied to  Jasper2529 @6.1.5    8 years ago

I'm guessing dog is also on the menu in Singapore!

 
 
 
MrFrost
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6.1.8  MrFrost  replied to  Jasper2529 @6.1.5    8 years ago

Obama isn't a Muslim.. He said many time he is a Christian. The reason the right keeps spewing the, "he's a Muslim" BS is because they hate him so much, they refuse to accept that he is of the same faith as them. So, to demonize him, they say he is something they hate.....a Muslim. 

He is from Indonesia now? I thought he was from Chicago? Or Kenya? Or Hawaii? 

 
 
 
Jasper2529
Professor Quiet
6.1.9  Jasper2529  replied to  MrFrost @6.1.8    8 years ago
Obama isn't a Muslim.. He said many time he is a Christian. The reason the right keeps spewing the, "he's a Muslim" BS is because they hate him so much, they refuse to accept that he is of the same faith as them. So, to demonize him, they say he is something they hate.....a Muslim. 

He is from Indonesia now? I thought he was from Chicago? Or Kenya? Or Hawaii? 

Whoa ... back off, buddy ! I never said Obama is a Muslim. If you'd actually understood my comment 6.1.5 and not shot from the hip as you did, you would have seen that my reply to lennylynx was an agreement that Obama had eaten dog meat when he lived in Muslim Indonesia.

Are you going to deny that Obama lived in Muslim Indonesia for several years? Are you going to deny that his stepfather enrolled him in a school and entered Obama's religion as Muslim? I hope not, because what I've said is based on facts.

 
 
 
Skrekk
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6.1.10  Skrekk  replied to  Jasper2529 @6.1.9    8 years ago
Whoa ... back off, buddy! I never said Obama is a Muslim

So why did you even use the phrase "Muslim Indonesia" at all?    The dominant superstition there wasn't relevant to any other part of your comment except as a means by irrational Islamophobes to erroneously slander Obama by association.

I've never understood why these loony Islamophobes do that since all it does is reveal their own hatred of Muslims and (presumably) black folks too.    Is it so that they can publicly identify as part of the white Christian supremacist tribe?

 
 
 
magnoliaave
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6.1.12  magnoliaave  replied to  Skrekk @6.1.10    8 years ago

And, I don't know whysome atheists show their hate of Christians.  It only shows their bigotry and hate of white folks.

 
 
 
Skrekk
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6.1.13  Skrekk  replied to  XXJefferson51 @6.1.11    8 years ago
He was right in mentioning that Obama spent some growing up years in Muslim Indonesia 🇮🇩 related to his eating dog there then.

So what exactly does "Muslim" have to do with that issue?   He obviously injected it to express his irrational hatred Muslims and his irrational hatred of Obama (and perhaps of all black folks).    However I'm not at all surprised that you agree with those odious views.

 
 
 
Skrekk
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6.1.14  Skrekk  replied to  magnoliaave @6.1.12    8 years ago
And, I don't know whysome atheists show their hate of Christians.  It only shows their bigotry and hate of white folks.

So Christians are "white folks"?   That's a very revealing comment, and quite ironic given that Christianity is a middle eastern superstition.

 
 
 
magnoliaave
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6.1.17  magnoliaave  replied to  Skrekk @6.1.14    8 years ago

Actually, some atheists link conservative, Christian and white all together.  And, it is ironic that our American black brothers and sisters are overwhelmingly Christian. 

 
 
 
dave-2693993
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6.1.18  dave-2693993  replied to  magnoliaave @6.1.17    8 years ago
Christian and white all together

I still can't understand how Hispanics are considered White, when for example most from Central America are probably predominantly Aztecs and Christian.

Statistics; lies, damn lies and statistics.

 
 
 
Jasper2529
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6.1.19  Jasper2529  replied to  XXJefferson51 @6.1.11    8 years ago

Thank you. It's amazing that so many people have gone into an irrational tizzy simply because I said that Indonesia is a (predominantly) Muslim country and that I agreed with lennylynx that Obama ate dog meat as a child when he lived there. 

 
 
 
magnoliaave
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6.1.20  magnoliaave  replied to  dave-2693993 @6.1.18    8 years ago

I am talking article after article where the  words are used to describe conservatives. 

Hispanics are usually Catholic and I don't know where they stand.

 
 
 
dave-2693993
Junior Silent
6.1.22  dave-2693993  replied to  magnoliaave @6.1.20    8 years ago

Sorry, to clarify, my critique was of these studies and the categories and not your comment.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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6.1.23  Vic Eldred  replied to  Jasper2529 @6.1.2    8 years ago
it was still legal to eat dog meat in many states in the US.

Yup, we don't eat pets, nor do we eat the noble horse. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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6.1.24  Vic Eldred  replied to  Jasper2529 @6.1.9    8 years ago

Jasper, no worries. Honest observers know what was said. The door was open just enough for them to rush in. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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6.1.25  Vic Eldred  replied to  Skrekk @6.1.13    8 years ago
He obviously injected it to express his irrational hatred Muslims and his irrational hatred of Obama (and perhaps of all black folks).

Is that what you feel?  I pity you

 
 
 
JBB
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6.1.26  JBB  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1.23    8 years ago

So why did Jasper note it is legal to eat dog in many states? I didn't know it was but we feed dogs horse meat...

 
 
 
Raven Wing
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6.1.27  Raven Wing   replied to  magnoliaave @6.1.17    8 years ago
And, it is ironic that our American black brothers and sisters are overwhelmingly Christian.

Link please.

 
 
 
Raven Wing
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6.1.28  Raven Wing   replied to  magnoliaave @6.1.12    8 years ago
It only shows their bigotry and hate of white folks.

Yeah....like only white people are Christian. How very White of you. 

LOL  laughing dude

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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6.1.29  Vic Eldred  replied to  JBB @6.1.26    8 years ago
So why did Jasper note it is legal to eat dog in many states?

I don't speak for Jasper. You may want to ask him directly.

 I didn't know it was but we feed dogs horse meat...

Um, hum, but Americans don't eat it. I'm sure somebody will look to find some American somewhere that does. It is a general statement but a fair one.

 
 
 
Jasper2529
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6.1.30  Jasper2529  replied to  Skrekk @6.1.13    8 years ago
He [Jasper2529] obviously injected it to express his irrational hatred Muslims and his irrational hatred of Obama (and perhaps of all black folks).    However I'm not at all surprised that you agree with those odious views.

Wow! I don't recall us having in-depth conversations about this before. Those are a hellova lot of unfounded, imaginative accusations you made about me, Skrekk.

Here's one for you to save for future accusations that live only in your imagination: Jasper2529 saves the green M&Ms for last because he doesn't like green peas.  Makes No Sense     laughing dude

 
 
 
MrFrost
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6.1.31  MrFrost  replied to  Jasper2529 @6.1.9    8 years ago

I live in the USA, born and raised, does that mean I am a Christian since the majority of American's identify as Christian? Nope. When I was a kid, I was baptized as a Catholic, now I am a Deist. So Obama's dad signed him up a Muslim, doesn't mean he stayed that way. Like I said, he stated many times that he is a Christian. Live with it. 

 
 
 
Jasper2529
Professor Quiet
6.1.33  Jasper2529  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1.24    8 years ago
Jasper, no worries. Honest observers know what was said. The door was open just enough for them to rush in.

Thanks, Vic. Personal attacks from radical Left or Right Internet users have never bothered me. 

 
 
 
devangelical
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6.1.34  devangelical  replied to    8 years ago
Just because he claims to be a Christian doesn't make it true.

Lots of examples of that here. Welcome to NT.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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6.1.35  Vic Eldred  replied to  Jasper2529 @6.1.33    8 years ago

I hear ya. I wear them like a badge of honor!

 
 
 
Jasper2529
Professor Quiet
6.1.36  Jasper2529  replied to  MrFrost @6.1.31    8 years ago
So Obama's dad signed him up a Muslim, 

Obama's stepfather signed him up as a Muslim at the school.

doesn't mean he stayed that way.

I didn't say that Obama did.

Like I said, he stated many times that he is a Christian. Live with it.

How Obama chooses to worship or not worship is none of my concern. Live with it.

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Guide
6.1.37  MrFrost  replied to  Jasper2529 @6.1.36    8 years ago
How Obama chooses to worship or not worship is none of my concern. Live with it.

I'm not the one that brought it up. 

 
 
 
lennylynx
Sophomore Silent
6.1.38  lennylynx  replied to    8 years ago

"Just because he claims to be a Christian doesn't make it true."

Odd statement coming from you, OSM.  Don't you think we should believe people when they claim to be Christian?

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
6.1.39  JBB  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1.29    8 years ago

The ways that the "Noble Horse" is abused in the USA are deplorable. We feed them to our dogs...

I just spent 48hrs nursing a dog with pancreatitis. He survived, again, but then he only eats chicken.

Horse slaughter in the US
Horse Slaughter Is Not Euthanasia. Every year, more than 75,000 American horses are trucked over our borders to be slaughtered for human consumption. Until this practice is banned and Congress passes a law against slaughter here in the U.S. , no horse is safe.
 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
6.1.40  Vic Eldred  replied to  JBB @6.1.39    8 years ago
The ways that the "Noble Horse" is abused in the USA are deplorable.

Are you aware that we outlawed horse slaughter in the US? I always give credit where credit is due, especially on those rare occasions when Barak Obama actually stood up for American values:

SANTA FE, N.M. (AP) — The resumption of commercial horse slaughter in the U.S. was blocked Friday as President Obama signed a budget measure that withholds money for required federal inspections of the slaughtering process.

Although the measure provides temporary funding for the federal government, it stops the Agriculture Department from spending money for inspections necessary for slaughterhouses to ship horse meat interstate and eventually export it to overseas consumers.

"This clear message from Washington echoes the opinions of an overwhelming number of Americans from coast to coast: horse slaughter is abhorrent and unacceptable," said Matt Bershadker, president and CEO of the American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals.

The president's action came as a New Mexico judge granted a preliminary injunction against a Roswell company from moving forward with its plans to start slaughtering horses.

 
 
 
devangelical
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6.1.41  devangelical  replied to  Release The Kraken @6.1.7    8 years ago

You haven't lived until you've tried the stir fried shitzu.

 
 
 
Raven Wing
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6.1.42  Raven Wing   replied to  magnoliaave @6.1.17    8 years ago
And, it is ironic that our American black brothers and sisters are overwhelmingly Christian.

Even the 27 NFL players you accused of being criminals? Surely they must be Christian as well by your statement.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
6.1.43  Vic Eldred  replied to  dave-2693993 @6.1.18    8 years ago
I still can't understand how Hispanics are considered White

Let's look at the facts:

"The researchers found that 2.5 million Americans of Hispanic origin, or approximately 7 percent of the 35 million Americans of Hispanic origin in 2000, changed their race from “some other race” in 2000 to “white” in 2010. An additional 1.3 million people switched in the other direction. A noteworthy but unspecified share of the change came from children who weren’t old enough to fill out a form in 2000, but chose for themselves in 2010.

The data provide new evidence consistent with the theory that Hispanics may assimilate as white Americans, like the Italians or Irish, who were not universally considered to be white.  



That is bad news for the left, which has tried to convince Hispanics that they are "others" 



 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
6.1.44  JBB  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1.40    8 years ago

Exactly how is shipping all our unwanted horses here off to Mexico to be slaughtered there honorable? At all?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
6.1.45  Vic Eldred  replied to  JBB @6.1.44    8 years ago

I'm glad you went and looked that up. That has been one of the problems with making slaughter houses for horses illegal in the US. People will just ship them over the border. Addressing that problem will be the next logical step. 

 
 
 
Skrekk
Sophomore Quiet
6.1.46  Skrekk  replied to    8 years ago
He's no Christian, not by any stretch of the imagination.  Just because he claims to be a Christian doesn't make it true.

Obama seems to be far better Christian than you are just based on your comments here.

 
 
 
epistte
Junior Participates
6.1.48  epistte  replied to    8 years ago
Obama is a piece of shit leftist.

It's too bad that you can't prove that.

 
 
 
Skrekk
Sophomore Quiet
6.1.49  Skrekk  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1.23    8 years ago
nor do we eat the noble horse.

I don't know if it's currently on the menu in the US but it was pretty common in the 1970s because beef was too expensive.

 
 
 
Raven Wing
Professor Participates
6.1.50  Raven Wing   replied to    8 years ago
He's no Christian, not by any stretch of the imagination.

Did God go on vacation and name you to sit in His place and judge others for Him?  Or is that just His right that you usurped to make your own judgement?

I don't think you, or anyone else here, has the right to sit in judgement of anyone else. That is God's right and His alone.  

 
 
 
dave-2693993
Junior Silent
6.1.51  dave-2693993  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1.43    8 years ago

Reading your link it seems the Hispanics are sorting out race and ethnicity in our society. It is telling regarding their personal ties to their Native origins and/or how to express it on the census forms.

Alright, I looked at the Census forms gathering ethnic origin and race during the 2000 and 2010 counts. Unless I am missing something, they look to gather pretty much the same categories of data.

Have to scroll down a little for 2010.

Again have to scroll down a little for 2000, which is a pdf file .

So, it looks like some have "self identified" differently, considering questions remained the same.

Now it looks like the questions will be combined for 2020 with a write in for national origin if the line for Hispanic, Latino, Spanish is selected.

Can't help but wonder what this change will do to prior metrics and how to map to the new results. Image quality from Pew is poor.

2020 Race and Origin census questions.jpg

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Not sure how left, right, or any other political leaning comes into self identification on a census form, yet I guess we will see how it turns out in 2020.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
6.1.52  Vic Eldred  replied to  dave-2693993 @6.1.51    8 years ago

If it was up to me we would return to the census of long ago which didn't have the term Hispanic on it. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
6.1.53  Vic Eldred  replied to  Skrekk @6.1.49    8 years ago

Not where I lived. Let's see how many ever remember horse meat on a menu

 
 
 
Skrekk
Sophomore Quiet
6.1.54  Skrekk  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1.53    8 years ago
Not where I lived. Let's see how many ever remember horse meat on a menu

Read up:

During World War II and the postwar years, when beef and pork were scarce or priced beyond most consumers’ means, horsemeat appeared in the butcher’s cold case. In 1951, Time magazine reported from Portland, Ore.: “Horsemeat, hitherto eaten as a stunt or only as a last resort, was becoming an important item on Portland tables. Now there were three times as many horse butchers, selling three times as much meat.” Noting that “people who used to pretend it was for the dog now came right out and said it was going on the table,” the article provided tips for cooking pot roast of horse and equine fillets.

A similar situation unfolded in 1973, when inflation sent the cost of traditional meats soaring. Time reported that “Carlson’s, a butcher shop in Westbrook, Conn., that recently converted to horsemeat exclusively, now sells about 6,000 pounds of the stuff a day.” The shop was evangelical in its promotion of horse as a main course, producing a 28-page guide called “Carlson’s Horsemeat Cook Book,” with recipes for chili con carne, German meatballs, beery horsemeat and more. While no longer in print, the book is catalogued on Amazon.

 
 
 
cjcold
Professor Quiet
6.1.56  cjcold  replied to  magnoliaave @6.1.12    8 years ago

Pretty sure it's about having a problem trusting those who believe in mythology and superstition.

 
 
 
cjcold
Professor Quiet
6.1.57  cjcold  replied to  magnoliaave @6.1.12    8 years ago

This elderly white man is an atheist. You might want to study statistics.

 
 
 
epistte
Junior Participates
6.1.58  epistte  replied to    8 years ago
Just because he claims to be a Christian doesn't make it true.

What do you believe makes a person Christian, if you get to make that decision?

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Guide
6.1.59  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  lennylynx @6.1    8 years ago
They eat dog in Korea

And it's pretty damn good.

 
 
 
Skrekk
Sophomore Quiet
6.1.64  Skrekk  replied to    8 years ago

Horse meat is definitely a lot leaner than beef and us kids didn't like it much for that reason, but my mom figured out that we'd eat it if she mixed it with a little beef and used it for tacos.

 
 
 
magnoliaave
Sophomore Silent
6.1.70  magnoliaave  replied to  Tessylo @6.1.67    8 years ago

Are you   body shaming? 

Lets talk about Michelle eating all of her husband's food so he can stay skinny!

 
 
 
magnoliaave
Sophomore Silent
6.1.71  magnoliaave  replied to  Tessylo @6.1.66    8 years ago

I guess you don't know that the  majority of Black Americans are Christian!

 
 
 
magnoliaave
Sophomore Silent
6.1.73  magnoliaave  replied to  Tessylo @6.1.65    8 years ago

It appears you are persecuted trying to find friends.

 
 
 
magnoliaave
Sophomore Silent
6.1.75  magnoliaave  replied to  Tessylo @6.1.72    8 years ago

I think you know what I am talking about.

 
 
 
arkpdx
Professor Quiet
6.1.76  arkpdx  replied to  Tessylo @6.1.72    8 years ago

That funny coming from someone who's Ideal,  idols,  Herod and roll models are Michael Moore and Rosie O'Donnell! 

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
6.1.79  Trout Giggles  replied to  arkpdx @6.1.76    8 years ago

Do you know how ridiculous you sound when you speak for other people?

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Guide
7  MrFrost    8 years ago

America is back? I was unaware that it left. I know we went from one of the most respected countries on the planet to one of the most despised in just one year. Thanks trump. you fucking moron. 

And this, "speech"? We know trump didn't write it because it contained words that have more than one syllable. I feel sorry for whoever has to transcribe these "speeches" into crayon so donny can read it. 

 
 
 
magnoliaave
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7.1  magnoliaave  replied to  MrFrost @7    8 years ago

Presidents have speech writers.

 
 
 
magnoliaave
Sophomore Silent
7.1.2  magnoliaave  replied to  Tessylo @7.1.1    8 years ago

Did I address that to you?

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Guide
7.1.3  MrFrost  replied to  magnoliaave @7.1    8 years ago
Presidents have speech writers.

I know that, that's my point. 

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Guide
7.2  Sparty On  replied to  MrFrost @7    8 years ago

True, many countries in the world loved our last POTUS.  

He enjoyed giving America interests away every chance he got so why wouldn't they?

 
 
 
lady in black
Professor Silent
8  lady in black    8 years ago

America NEVER left.  America has ALWAYS been GREAT!

 
 
 
PJ
Masters Silent
9  PJ    8 years ago

Author called Off Topic  {SP}

 
 
 
lennylynx
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9.1  lennylynx  replied to  PJ @9    8 years ago

What's so funny, PJ?

 
 
 
PJ
Masters Silent
9.1.1  PJ  replied to  lennylynx @9.1    8 years ago
What's so funny, PJ?

The title.  Trump and patriotic in the same sentence is side splitting.  It's so difficult trying to remain optimistic under this Administration.   I have to laugh otherwise I'd be in a deep deep depression.  

 
 
 
Raven Wing
Professor Participates
9.1.2  Raven Wing   replied to  PJ @9.1.1    8 years ago
Trump and patriotic in the same sentence is side splitting.

Agreed! 

 
 
 
PJ
Masters Silent
9.1.4  PJ  replied to  Have Opinion Will Travel @9.1.3    8 years ago

now, now....let's not get excitable.  

Let's just say that your definition of a patriot and mine are very different.  

 
 
 
lennylynx
Sophomore Silent
9.1.6  lennylynx  replied to  XXJefferson51 @9.1.5    8 years ago

Trump diminishes America with each day he spends in office.  He is a traitor in every sense of the word.

 
 
 
Raven Wing
Professor Participates
9.1.8  Raven Wing   replied to  XXJefferson51 @9.1.7    8 years ago
One is right and yours is wrong

Only in your dreams.

 
 
 
epistte
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9.1.9  epistte  replied to  Have Opinion Will Travel @9.1.3    8 years ago
Very little doubt that Trump is a patriot.

What quality in your opinion makes Donald Trump a patriot?

 
 
 
lennylynx
Sophomore Silent
9.1.10  lennylynx  replied to  epistte @9.1.9    8 years ago

I'm guessing Trump's supporters find kidnapping the children of people who come to the border begging for help, to be very patriotic.

 
 
 
PJ
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9.2  PJ  replied to  PJ @9    8 years ago

A reaction can't be off topic.  

 
 
 
lennylynx
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9.2.1  lennylynx  replied to  PJ @9.2    8 years ago

Wrong, reactions are routinely pulled as being off-topic, happens to me too.

 
 
 
PJ
Masters Silent
9.2.2  PJ  replied to  lennylynx @9.2.1    8 years ago
Wrong, reactions are routinely pulled as being off-topic, happens to me too.

Well, I'm a troublemaker so I'm disputing this practice.  My reaction could have been misinterpreted so whose to say what my intent was.   How can they determine whether it was off topic?  In fact, I would argue it was completely ON TOPIC.  It was a direct reaction to the title of the article.  My reaction was censored because the author of the seed ( X² ) didn't like my reaction so he had it deleted.  

The MOD should have asked for clarification from the poster (ME) before determining without my input whether my post was off-topic.  I should have been given an opportunity to rebut the charge.

It's a travesty I tell you - a travesty.

 
 
 
lennylynx
Sophomore Silent
9.2.4  lennylynx  replied to  PJ @9.2.2    8 years ago

And I totally back you in your dispute, PJ, the off-topic stuff is getting ridiculous, especially when what's on topic gets defined in an extremely narrow way by the seeder.  The 'Speak Your Mind' claim is getting harder and harder to defend, and it's easy to see where this is going.  Each year there will be another Meta extravaganza and every single time, more restrictions on free speech will be the result.

 
 
 
magnoliaave
Sophomore Silent
10  magnoliaave    8 years ago

Google it!  RW, google it

 
 
 
Raven Wing
Professor Participates
10.1  Raven Wing   replied to  magnoliaave @10    8 years ago
Google it!  RW, google it

Nope....you were the one who stated it as fact, so put your proof where you statement is. 

 
 
 
magnoliaave
Sophomore Silent
10.1.1  magnoliaave  replied to  Raven Wing @10.1    8 years ago

Your choice.

 
 
 
Raven Wing
Professor Participates
10.1.2  Raven Wing   replied to  magnoliaave @10.1.1    8 years ago
Your choice.

I guess that you have no proof, and just shoot your mouth off without anything to back it up. Then when asked for proof, you deflect and try to put the blame on others. Just as expected. Just like always.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
10.1.4  Trout Giggles  replied to  XXJefferson51 @10.1.3    8 years ago

seriously?

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
10.1.6  Trout Giggles  replied to  XXJefferson51 @10.1.5    8 years ago

you're a strange little man

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
11  devangelical    8 years ago

A nationalist speech at a military academy by a draft dodging rightwing POS. Priceless.

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Participates
12  Split Personality    8 years ago

Article is locked as the seeder is unavailable til Tuesday.

 
 
 
JumpDrive
Freshman Silent
13  JumpDrive    8 years ago
our country has regained the respect that we used to have long ago abroad
  • Median approval of U.S. leadership is 30%, down from 48% in 2016
  • U.S. approval dropped substantially in 65 countries and areas
  • Germany's leadership now tops that of U.S., China and Russia

Trend: Global Approval of U.S. Leadership

 
 
 
Skrekk
Sophomore Quiet
13.1  Skrekk  replied to  JumpDrive @13    8 years ago

And Trump just blew what little credibility the US had left by withdrawing from the JCPOA.    No country will trust the word of the US after that.

 
 
 
Veronica
Professor Participates
14  Veronica    8 years ago

I was proud of this country long before Trump became president.  If you were not proud of America pre-Trump does that make you unpatriotic?  

How many out there would vote for Trump again in 2020 if the Republicans run someone worthy against him in the primaries?  I am just asking.  I am hoping at least one of the parties runs someone that I can in good conscience vote for.

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
Professor Participates
15  Thrawn 31    8 years ago

I just cannot take someone like Trump seriously when it comes to expressions of patriotism. But then again I don't take any non vets seriously when it comes to that, in fact the more patriotic a non vet tries to sound the less of a patriot they appear to be in my eyes. If someone like Trump truly loves this country, why did he fight so hard to avoid serving it when called? He, and those like him, are all talk. 

 
 

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