Trump Has Caused 40% Of The Population To Lie To Themselves

Do not question the worth of MY seeding about Donald Trump.  Do not attempt to derail the seed.  Do not mention Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama.  

All of that is off topic and will be removed asap. 

Bad seed, won't sprout

Trumps so called lies are no worse than those of those who preceded him.

Only Trump haters care, and they're totally irrelevant

Overheard at while shopping: A mom tells her child she can deal with misbehaving but not lying. Now just imagine that mother telling a child those words, only the child claps back with: Mom the President does it so I can too!

I don't know why the media doesn't just call it what it is, the President lies, every single day.

There is no way to bring up a child telling the child about morals and values when that child will eventually grow up and know America elected a President with an open fondness for lying even admitting it, and that the President had multiple affairs, multiple divorces and allowed himself, his associates and his children to grift off the American taxpayer making a personal profit from his worldwide global properties and businesses.

There is no longer any American moral compass when peaceful kneeling protest creates more angst than a lying President.

There is no longer any American moral compass when peaceful kneeling protest creates more angst than a lying President.

Excellent point. It is a "shame" to protest during the national anthem , but ok to accept a president that openly lies every day to the American people?  This is what we are dealing with.  

If it is against the law to kneel during the national anthem why weren't Kaepernick and the others that did it arrested? 

Do you think that murder by an illegal only happens in CA?  Hello McFly!  Hellooooooo!  Also, Trump himself, although a legal citizen said that he could kill someone in the middle of 5th Ave and his supporters would not care.

I dont believe many people are "lying" to themselves. However, I do believe many people are overlooking president trump lies because he says what they want to hear and they believe in what he says and the direction he says he intends to take america even if they dont believe each word he utters.

I call it selective listening. 

trump himself issued this statement long ago, " To me words dont matter much,it's deeds that count." 

I interpret the statement as . I'll say anything to get what I want. 

Some people are OK with that. till it turns around and goes after what they wanted, by then though its too late.

Lying to themselves...naa..  not caring at this point to hopefully get what THEY want.. you bet.

You are describing people lying to themselves. 

Unless you actually WANT a horrible person to be president of the United States, the pretense that it doesn't matter is a lie to oneself. 

Trump is far beyond any other person who has run for the president, let alone achieved it, in terms of lying, cheating, misogyny, racism, lack of personal integrity, .... the shame of it all is that we still have people attempting to "normalize" this atrocity. One way to attempt to normalize it is to attempt to say the other choices were just as bad. They weren't. 

Some people, such as those who would like to destroy the current political system , are more than willing to overlook Trump's lack of honesty, his bullying and other anti-social traits, his off the charts pathological psychological traits , his incredible record of personal corruption,  and everything else

You are describing people lying to themselves.

I really dont think so. when people lie to themselves there is an attitude of belief.

I dont think many people actually believe all the lies trump tells, (just some of them, usually they are more apt to believe lies that tend to add to their own agenda) and they mainly just prefer to overlook that fact that trump lies so much, to hopefully gain for themselves.

In my opinion that is different.

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I doubt trump himself even considers that he lies, to him it is tactful negotiating everyday all day. For trump it's a lifestyle that has served him very well. 

personally I abhor that kind of tactic. I much prefer honest forthright negotiations.

But, to each their own.. I repeat: 

trump himself issued this statement long ago, " To me words dont matter much, it's deeds that count." 

I interpret the statement as . I'll say anything to get what I want. 

Personally, That's not what I believe is the best way to operate nor how I was raised to go thru life or to live.

to each their own

Obviously such an attitude is a big part of the problem.  "To each their own" ("Who cares?")

Libertarianism and anarcho-capitalism are completely unrealistic and unworkable social systems for the U.S. They are utopian fantasies and belong in the fiction section. 

"To each their own" ("Who cares?")

Allowing others to be themselves is caring as far as I'm concerned. I care that you are what you want to be as well. 

I would really care IF we weren't allowed to each be each our own.

We can do better as a nation. We need to stop accepting such horrible choices.

I totally agree with that. I researched ALL the candidates last time and saw NO ONE that I wanted as my president. out of all the 325,000.000 of us look at the crappy choice we had.  

sad

"Both sides do it" is the battle cry of those unwilling to face what we have damaging the country TODAY. Trumpism is the plague on the country. 

Trump is a symptom not the cause of the broken American duopoly of failure.

Hillary was the symptom of a broken duopoly of a failed two party system, Trump was the bonfire that angry misinformed bigots chose to burn it all down instead of trying to fix it. For them to fix it they would have had to get educated and actually learn about how our government works and fix the areas where it was truly broken like going to public campaign financing of candidates and overturning citizens united. Sadly, for many, especially those in the Southern States who had been waiting to tear down the Union for the last 150 years ever since their ancestors failed to do so, Trump is a savior, the answer to their prayers, the giant orange haired Molotov cocktail they threw into the oval office. All his failure, lies and destruction aren't a bug, they're a feature to the sick white supremacist anarchists, the bitter out of work confederates and the evangelicals praying for Armageddon.

Sadly, for many, especially those in the Southern States who had been waiting to tear down the Union for the last 150 years ever since their ancestors failed to do so, Trump is a savior, the answer to their prayers, the giant orange haired Molotov cocktail they threw into the oval office. All his failure, lies and destruction aren't a bug, they're a feature to the sick white supremacist anarchists, the bitter out of work confederates and the evangelicals praying for Armageddon.

I don't think that is all of it, but it is some of it.  It is also those from every geographical region that are anti-government and anti- "political correctness".  They will fight "political correctness" by promoting , advocating and supporting the biggest asshole to ever run for high national office.  There are no books or long form magazine articles that claim Donald Trump is a wonderful human being . None. There are many that , in so many words, portray him as an asshole. Everyone knows the truth, but quite a few lie to themselves about it.  

I agree 100%, the fly in the ointment so to speak is that these folks are what is thrust upon us to select from. Definitely need a larger slate of hopefuls to choose from.

Whatever happened to the best and the brightest, now we get the dumb and the slimiest.

We do need a viable 3rd party.

"Trump lies" has been a losing issue for the left for quite some time now. What particular lies are you referring to? Most patriotic Americans really aren't all that concerned about what some consider lies. And personally, I don't give a damn.

Whatever happened to the best and the brightest, now we get the dumb and the slimiest.

In the gutter that is today's politics it seems the best and the brightest get run out of town pretty quickly by the slimmest who repeatedly are willing to get the most down and dirty in the political gutter and throw the worst crap.

Honesty and virtue have been replaced by vulgarity, strife and backbiting.

Insults, grandiose promises, intimidation and threats are the new political tools perfected by the current leader.  

I'd suggest, the better trump does, the more of this type of behaviour we can expect in our future. 

I see it as a catch 22 

While I want America to do great.. not under this type of a leadership or this type of person.

And with all due respect, what has the Pelosi/Schumer cabal offered up to combat said plague? It seems they just feed the beast rather than do the hard work of offering an alternative...but just my view from the fence.

Absence of the plague is an initial alternative.  The idea that there is no alternative to Trump strikes me as a copout at best. 

Hillary was a fine Secretary of State and would have made a fine president.  Obama WAS a fine president.  Trump is the most outrageously horrible president this country has ever seen, he's an absolute nightmare.  Ok, that's all, back to your alternate right wing reality now.

Donald Trump is a HORRIBLE human being. Everyone knows this. Virtually no one but weirdos and ass kissers seriously argues otherwise. Donald Trump has caused roughly 2 in 5 Americans (at the present moment) to lie to themselves EVERY DAY and pretend that he is somehow "normal" or within an acceptable range of "presidential" behavior. Any such attempt is simply a lie.

Is this statement not a vastly broad generalization based on an opinion?  

I find quite a bit about the current president to be rather disturbing and leaves a great deal to be desired - yet one cannot label all that support what Trump is 'trying' to accomplish as lieing to themselves.  Many individuals that I know are very aware of the presidents fabrications and half truths, do not like the way he conducts himself .. but are looking at his policies and are in agreement with how he is handling trade, the economy .. and even immigration.  

Many individuals that I know are very aware of the presidents fabrications and half truths, do not like the way he conducts himself .. but are looking at his policies and are in agreement with how he is handling trade, the economy .. and even immigration

I think the premise that such people are "lying to themselves" is a kind way to describe it. The other would be that they accept this atrocity for partisan political reasons ("he is enacting a conservative agenda"). 

Do you hold up trumpy as example to your children?

Lying to achieve your goals is immoral and unethical. Those are not traits I want my children to emulate

Do you hold up trumpy as example to your children?

I do not know where this is coming from .. I am confused as to how this question was formulated based on my comment, you did read my comment correct?

I find quite a bit about the current president to be rather disturbing and leaves a great deal to be desired

But to answer the question, my youngest will be 18 in August and eligible to vote in November - he is thoroughly capable of making his own decision .. politics is an open conversation in my home … and NO, I do not push my views on either of my sons - they both know I am appalled by the current presidents conduct!

My oldest will be 27 in July … I think you can figure the rest out for yourself...

but are looking at his policies and are in agreement with how he is handling trade, the economy .. and even immigration.  

Your words, no? I've seen your comments here that basically supports the trumpy agenda.

I do not push my views on either of my sons

That's not what I asked. I asked if you use trump as a shining example of how to be a fine human being.

NO, I do not push my views on either of my sons

Parents lead by example. If you're supporting Trump you are telling your children to support the "grab 'em by the pussy" guy whether you like it or not. You're also telling them that truth is overrated and should be avoided if a lie can help you get what you want.

Many individuals that I know are very aware of the presidents fabrications and half truths, do not like the way he conducts himself .. but are looking at his policies and are in agreement with how he is handling trade, the economy .. and even immigration.

Rather selective in what you choose to read it would appear … 

I've seen your comments here that basically supports the trumpy agenda.

I think you may have me confused with someone else - I am fiscally conservative - yet more on the liberal side of social issues, perhaps read my comments while being a bit more opened minded would help you to understand my position politically?

I haven't seen one "socially liberal" comment from you yet.

So, did you answer my question? Do you think trumpy is a fine example for our children?

I do not support Trump … end of comments on the subject from me..

Thanks, and have a nice day!

I do not support Trump … end of comments on the subject from me..

Thanks, and have a nice day!

Colour Me Free, have you EVER, since you joined Newstalkers, said anything critical of Donald Trump ?

I havent seen it. At the least, you support him with your silence. 

John I am not consumed with all things Trump … the things I find disturbing about Trump - his treatment of women, his inability to tell the truth .. his arrogance blah blah blah … the list goes on.  There are so many here on NT that cannot complete a day without bashing the President .. ... all the bitching and whining is already handled - my 2 cents need not be added to the fray!

Trout Giggles put it pretty well. You appear to be a Trump supporter who has a little reluctance to say so. 

And I think that there are 2 posters. out of how every many that are posting here, that are lieing to themselves about what a fellow poster supports or does not support..

I think we can tell after someone has made dozens or hundreds of comments on a topic what their beliefs are. Trout Giggles made the observation that there has been no anti-Trump sentiment in that person's comments on the forum, and it is what it is. 

Thanks razing... at first I was offended at being accused of supporting 'he who shall not be named' .. yet quickly discovered no need to continue to try and defend myself.  There are simply individuals that 'we' encounter in our lives that must label and make accusation regarding that which they do not understand .. thus making any pretense of 'civil discourse' a long shot at best... 

Hmmm, yes I do believe you are correct - the aforementioned behavior is very much an approved tactic of the 'unnamed one' ……….!

but are looking at his policies and are in agreement with how he is handling trade, the economy .. and even immigration.

And there ya have it, the things that people REALLY care about. In addition he will hopefully get Kimmy Poo to the discussion table and forge a better deal with Iran. He was the lesser of two evils, but is doing a remarkably good job in spite of all the hate and opposition.

and fuck his character....right?

Who gives a shit about how he lies and cheats? Right? Character is way overrated....right?

Skirting,  {SP}

And there ya have it, the things that people REALLY care about.

You mean things like:

• The slowing economy?
• The losing trade war with China?
• The rapidly increasing unemployment? (Based on Trump's own method of calculating it)
• How about Trump's "pay for play"?  (Ukraine and China, at least)

Are these the types of things Trump's people care about?  They sure seemed to be under a Democratic President.

The 40% deluded by Trump have no choice because the only alternative is the loathsome, lying, gender flipping, illegal alien protecting, delusional left. The left sticks with its choice because they think they picked the lesser of two evils. Trump’s supporters feel the same way. Two dogs barking at each other from opposite sides of the fence won’t change a thing. 

Actually, if Trump resigned or was removed through impeachment TODAY, the government and the presidency would stay in conservative, anti-liberal hands. Spare me the bullshit that Trump is the only bulwark against liberalism. Trump's fans like and support him because he attacks people they don't like. To a degree they live through him. 

The lie to themselves though, is that it doesn't matter. trump is doing vast damage to our society. Constant lying coming from the top is very damaging. 

Constant lying coming from the top is very damaging.

True If it becomes the norm. I dont know that it will, I'd say a lot depends on the long term outcome on many fronts.

I do agree us having a leader who is not being honest with us unless HE chooses to SUCKS.

IMO trump is NOT a true great leader of men. He is a conman gone global. Many at this point don't agree.

Constant lying coming from the top is very damaging.

Can you give us some examples of that? It certainly has done extreme damage to the left wing brand, perhaps irrevocably.

He is a conman gone global. Many at this point don't agree.

Just what the country needs at this point in history. No more devious, corrupt, lying politicians who enrich and encourage each other to cheat and steal, who never do anything for the people. At least half the citizens voted for him and still agree with what he is doing.

No more devious, corrupt, lying politicians who enrich and encourage each other to cheat and steal, who never do anything for the people.

How long have you been on Fantasy Island? 

. . . The lie to themselves though, is that it doesn't matter. trump is doing vast damage to our society. Constant lying coming from the top is very damaging. 

As I’ve said before, I don’t think Trump is lying but rather making statements without regard to whether the statements are true or false. In any event, the last election demonstrated to me that veracity is no longer an essential characteristic for political office (because people think all politicians lie). Since we only have liars to choose from and are happy to be led by a liar (as long as it’s a liar we like), then I can’t really be shocked when the liar at the top tells lies or doesn’t know/care whether his statements are accurate. Personally, I don’t vote for liars or people who make reckless statements. 

Lying requires an intent to make a false statement. Making a statement without knowing or caring whether it was true or false is not lying. 

Making a statement without knowing or caring whether it was true or false is not lying.

Of course if one is a liar they would lie about knowing or caring.  So it would still be lying.  Unless one would pull the 'I'm a moron' card. 

I'm going to be away from this seed and am locking it. 

CoC Violation "BF"

Are we lying to ourselves?  interesting thought.

unfortunately for the left trump is fulfilling our agenda at every turn.

he is doing everything we voted for him to do.

you were lying to yourself if you thought he would do otherwise.

could he be more pc about it all? yes. 

but all we actually care about is results and our agenda moving forward, torpedos be damned... full speed ahead

Cheers