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April 16, 2018 - A 45-year-old San Pedro man pled guilty today to threatening to kill Rep. Maxine Waters, D-Los Angeles, over her opposition to President Donald Trump.

  

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Via:  johnrussell  •  8 years ago  •  68 comments

April 16, 2018 - A 45-year-old San Pedro man pled guilty today to threatening to kill Rep. Maxine Waters, D-Los Angeles, over her opposition to President Donald Trump.

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San Pedro Man Pleads Guilty to Threatening to Kill Rep. Maxine Waters


Democratic Rep. Maxine Waters

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April 16, 2018

A 45-year-old San Pedro man pled guilty today to threatening to kill Rep. Maxine Waters, D-Los Angeles, over her opposition to President Donald Trump.

Anthony Scott Lloyd faces sentencing July 16 on the single count of threatening a United States official. The charge carries a maximum possible sentence of 10 years behind bars, but the defendant is expected to receive a far lesser penalty.

LLoyd's attorney declined comment outside court.

Lloyd made the threat during a phone call to Waters' Capitol Hill office. He had become angered while listening to talk radio on Oct. 22, when he heard a report in which Waters made disparaging comments about Trump, according to court papers.

"If you continue to make threats toward the president, you're going to wind up dead, Maxine, 'cause we'll kill you," Lloyd said in a voicemail.

He also used a racial slur -- the N-word -- to refer to Waters and an anti-gay slur in the message, officials said.

One of Waters' staff members contacted the U.S. Capitol Police, which notified the FBI.

An FBI agent interviewed Lloyd, who admitted leaving the voicemail but swore he had no intent to actually harm Waters.

Lloyd, who lives with his grandmother, identified himself as a "pro- president supporter" during the interview, papers show.

Waters has been one of Trump's most forceful critics on Capitol Hill.

For his part, Trump has referred to her several times as a "low-I.Q. individual."

Waters said in a statement in November that her district is "very diverse, and though we don't always agree, my constituents would never threaten me. We are collectively focused on the progress, safety and security of our communities."



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JohnRussell
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1  seeder  JohnRussell    8 years ago

Donald Trump started all this, and now, insanely, claims to be the victim, even as he continues to insult, threaten and bully anyone who dares disagree with him. 

Former GOP National Chairman Michael Steele said tonight that Trump wants a double standard. He wants to insult and attack everyone under the sun that dares disagree with him, but then claim victimhood when his targets fight back. 

Maxine Waters never threatened Donald Trump, except with impeachment, yet one of his followers said he would kill her for it. 

This is what Trump has brought to the American scene. 

Someone IS going to get killed. It is just a question of when. 

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Expert
1.1  Ender  replied to  JohnRussell @1    8 years ago

President Donald Trump threatens people a lot. He menaces, he bullies and then he   explains   his words away.

As a scholar of American political rhetoric, I have paid close attention to Trump’s use of words. In particular, I’ve focused on something called ad baculum – or threats. Ad baculum is Latin for “appeal to the stick.”   Demagogues   typically use threats to prevent their opponents from thinking critically. Threats are useful because they are difficult to question or argue against.

As a presidential candidate, Trump frequently used threats in combination with another rhetorical figure of speech –   paralipsis. Paralipsis is Greek for “to leave to the side” or, more colloquially, “I’m not saying, I’m just saying.” This combination allowed Trump to threaten and also not threaten at the same time – a threat with a wink that meant that he maybe didn’t mean it and shouldn’t be held accountable.

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Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
1.2  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @1    8 years ago
Donald Trump started all this

NOPE, the hateful scum on the left like Maxine Waters have started it. 


As if you can't see it:






She also helped incite the LA riots.

A year ago some leftist tried to kill Republican congressmen playing baseball and yet you blame Trump. I pity you


 
 
 
Ender
Professor Expert
1.2.1  Ender  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2    8 years ago

Oh my god, look at that evil woman. Listen to what she said.

trump with all of his hateful and divisive rhetoric, all of his put downs of other people, his name calling, him telling people to be prepared to fight, him telling them that if they did he would take care of them, on and on.

What Waters said was to surround this hateful administration and tell them that we will not stand for it.

Funny I can tell who watched fox the night before.

Sad that they never realize they are perpetuating the problem.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
1.2.2  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2    8 years ago

You posted a video from Jun 23 2018. This all started long before that. Donald Trump is the most dishonest and confrontational person to ever run for president on a major party ticket. When you are so dishonest and so confrontational you are virtually begging your opposition to fight back against you. 

Trump began his political career by lying about Barack Obama's birth certificate. He wanted to run for president in 2012 so the year before he constantly lied about Obama to see what sort of base he could create for himself in the Republican Party. It was working until Obama released his long form birth certificate and Trump had to back down. Then Trump continued his lying when , not two minutes into his announcement speech that he was running for the 2016 nomination he started calling Mexicans murderers and rapists. Trump's political career was literally born from lying. 

At his rallies he called for people who interrupted him to be punched in the face and a few of them were by Trump's obedient followers. 

The deplorables are in denial of Trump's appeal and his behavior and his words, or they are lying about them. All this present incivility can be traced back to Trump, and he continues to be uncivil every single day. As do many of his fans and cult followers. It is true Trump gets up there regularly and tries to play the victim, but intelligent observers know better. 

 
 
 
96WS6
Junior Silent
1.2.3  96WS6  replied to  Ender @1.2.1    8 years ago

She also said she was going to "take out" Trump.

The call was made the day after Waters said she wanted to “take out” Trump while speaking at the Ali Forney Center dinner, a gala for LGBT youth, in New York, according to CNN. Waters told CNN that the comment was not meant to imply she wanted to physically harm Trump, but that she wanted to take the president out of office.

“Wow, what a moving evening this is. I’m sitting here listening, watching, absorbing, thinking about Ali even though I never met him,” Waters said at the dinner to loud applause. “And with this kind of inspiration, I will go and take out Trump tonight.”

Gee, I can just imagine what would have happened if some senator or congressman said they were "going to take out Obama".patience

 
 
 
Spikegary
Junior Quiet
1.2.4  Spikegary  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2    8 years ago

I did see that Judicial Watch has sent a letter to the House Ethics Committee asking them to take up the case against Maxxine for her words and actions over the last week (because the House Committee can't prosecute stupid they do need to evaluate her actions as they are minimally, unbecoming to the House).

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
1.2.7  Vic Eldred  replied to    8 years ago

Your'e being generous. Her followers usually need a text message or FB message to show up at a riot and a reminder with a ride to the polls on election night

 
 
 
bugsy
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3  bugsy    8 years ago

Although those who make such threats should be punished to the extent of the law, making threats is far less serious than actually taking action and attempting to kill Republicans on a baseball field.

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Expert
3.1  Ender  replied to  bugsy @3    8 years ago

Or Democrats like Gabrielle Giffords.

I see more hate daily from one side. Believe me, it is not from mine.

 
 
 
bugsy
Professor Participates
3.1.1  bugsy  replied to  Ender @3.1    8 years ago

Your side? Pretty sad that some Americans have to take "sides" 

Yes, the Giffords shooting was a tragedy. Liberals tend to be violent against their own.

"As I knew him he was left wing, quite liberal. & oddly obsessed with the 2012 prophecy." And, most ominously, "He was a political radical & met Giffords once before in '07, asked her a question & he told me she was 'stupid & unintelligent.'"

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Expert
3.1.2  Ender  replied to  bugsy @3.1.1    8 years ago

I am sure many people can tweet.

From his own words,

"There are important figures in my dreams that accomplished political aspirations: Hitler, Hillary Clinton and Giffords to name a few," he wrote.

Then,

Loughner also argued with instructors and  disrupted classes at Pima Community College , leaving one instructor intimidated. A witness told the FBI that Loughner once had a strange reaction to another student's poem, saying it was about abortion, wars and killing people. "He said, 'Why don't we just strap bombs to babies,'" according to the FBI files.

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I would hardly call him left wing.

And...

Loughner himself isn't talking. But the record shows that he registered as an independent in 2006, according to the Pima County Registrar of Voters, and did not vote in 2010.

Link

 
 
 
bugsy
Professor Participates
3.1.3  bugsy  replied to  Ender @3.1.2    8 years ago
I would hardly call him left wing

Nope...he was a lefty. Just because you register independent does not mean you don't vote Democrat.

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Expert
3.1.4  Ender  replied to  bugsy @3.1.3    8 years ago

Uh, it said he didn't even vote. kind of throws your theory out the window.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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3.1.5  Greg Jones  replied to  Ender @3.1    8 years ago

Almost all the mass shooters have been liberal and left leaning. It's a fact.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.1.6  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Greg Jones @3.1.5    8 years ago

No it's not. Those lies have been repeatedly debunked. You need better news sources, because the ones you are using suck. 

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
3.1.7  devangelical  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.6    8 years ago

Perspective. Virtually anyone to the left of knuckle dragging birther morons is a left leaning liberal.

 
 
 
Spikegary
Junior Quiet
3.1.8  Spikegary  replied to  Ender @3.1.2    8 years ago

Of course, you wouldn't.  But normal people would, based on his words and actions.

 
 
 
Old Hermit
Sophomore Silent
3.1.9  Old Hermit  replied to  Greg Jones @3.1.5    8 years ago
Almost all the mass shooters have been liberal and left leaning. It's a fact.

.

Says who?

.

Rep. Claudia Tenney claims many mass murderers are Democrats .

Fact check: She is wrong.  

The facts

Tenney isn't the first to allege that many (or most) mass murderers are Democrats. This is a claim that has been circulating for years on the internet. It has been the subject of a meme shared on social media networks, namely Facebook.

The Citizen conducted its own review focused on the 20 worst mass shootings in American history. Searches of internet archives and news websites found no evidence that any of the 20 murderers were Democrats.

Conclusion

Tenney claimed that "many" mass murderers are Democrats. At best, there is no evidence to back up her claim. At worst, it's a lie that aims to politicize a tragedy. Either way, she is spreading misinformation about mass shootings.

.

Is This List of Democrat Shooters Accurate?

A viral list of dozens of shootings purportedly committed by Democrats is based on faulty, inaccurate, and unsubstantiated claims.

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Do many mass shooters 'end up being Democrats', as Rep. Tenney said?

NO Pants on Fire!

 
 
 
bugsy
Professor Participates
3.1.11  bugsy  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.6    8 years ago
Those lies have been repeatedly debunked

Debunked by who? C'mon John, you can put proof out for at least ONE of your accusations.

But really...probably not.

 
 
 
nightwalker
Sophomore Silent
4  nightwalker    8 years ago

Lets see, 45 years old and lives with his grandmother, uses the inclusive "we" like any good gang member and slurs in his death threat. Obviously well educated, unemployed from his high-tech job because some minority or the other took his job.

But he really didn't mean it.

To bad he didn't say "god made him do it" or "I've asked god for forgiveness", the spells that make conservatives protective or he'd be a PERFECT example of the fox flock.

This one's all trump's and the new order of GOP, I hope they're proud to have him in their ranks.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
Professor Participates
4.1  Greg Jones  replied to  nightwalker @4    8 years ago

I have to admit that his reaction to this mind dead old bitch was a tad strong, but let the idiotic ugly old biddy speak for heavens sake. After all, she, along with Schumer, Puglosi, Warren, Bernie, and Hillary continue to be the face of the rapidly expiring once proud party called Democrats. Every day they provide wonderful gifts to the GOP by alienating more and more traditional Democrats. Can't wait for the midterms to confirm the Dem demise.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
4.1.1  devangelical  replied to  Greg Jones @4.1    8 years ago

Shit in one hand and wish in the other. See which hand gets filled faster.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
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4.1.2  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  devangelical @4.1.1    8 years ago

My father used to say that but he added.....And be careful of which hand you use to stifle a sneeze.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
Professor Participates
4.1.3  Greg Jones  replied to  devangelical @4.1.1    8 years ago

Very weak and wimpy response.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
4.1.4  devangelical  replied to  Greg Jones @4.1.3    8 years ago

Perfect. That makes it appropriate for the unamerican trash it was directed towards.

 
 
 
1ofmany
Sophomore Silent
5  1ofmany    8 years ago

Harassing and hounding people won’t make things better. All it will do is make people angry and further polarize the electorate into flat out tribalism. She is an unbelievably stupid fool and the best thing she can do for the county is slip and fall down the stairs. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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5.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  1ofmany @5    8 years ago

You are a Trump enabler, and when it's all said and done will have that on your conscience. It is what it is. 

 
 
 
Spikegary
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5.1.1  Spikegary  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1    8 years ago

You are a violence and hatred enabler.  It's all you know and all you do, day in and day out.  One has to wonder what in the world you'd do if Hillary had won?  You'd be at a loss to find a purpose for your life.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
5.1.2  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Spikegary @5.1.1    8 years ago

Spike, Trump is unqualified to be president of the United States, for many many reasons. 

You support him and attack those who criticize him. You are the problem. 

This fucking guy is not going to be normalized. The well being country is at stake. 

 
 
 
It Is ME
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5.1.3  It Is ME  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.2    8 years ago
The well being country is at stake.

I'm doing great and contributing MORE (taxes) to MY Country.....since I am now making more money. thumbs up

It's NOT "WHAT YOUR COUNTRY CAN DO FOR YOU ", It's "WHAT YOU CAN DO FOR YOUR COUNTRY". thinking

What are you doing ? Protesting ? How's that pay scale going. laughing dude  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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5.2  Vic Eldred  replied to  1ofmany @5    8 years ago

She incited the LA riots. She is a murderer

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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6  Sean Treacy    8 years ago

Alternate Title: Recycled story from April to distract from Democrats abhorrent behavior

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
6.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @6    8 years ago

I seeded it to remind everyone that Maxine Waters is a victim too. Or does that crap only work for Trump?

(deleted) You know Trump is a piece of shit yet you ignore it to continue your lifelong complaint against "liberals". 

 
 
 
freepress
Freshman Silent
7  freepress    8 years ago

There is no question that the right wing expects a free pass on any incivility they display. 

Whether it was the outrageous actions of " tea party" and right wing extremists who maligned Obama with burning in effigy, mock lynchings, watermelon memes on the WH lawn, calling his wife an ape and you could go on for hours about the rampant birtherism which was rooted in racism and hatred. It never stopped from the minute Obama was elected before he even took the oath and it still goes on today.

The outrageous conspiracies about Hillary and the pizzagate scandal, calling her and her family terribly incivil things. To this day Chelsea is attacked and mocked on twitter with donkey memes and angry right wing haters calling her a donkey and horses arse.

It  defies reality to watch as we saw Trump rallies where Lewandowski was charged for physical harassment of a female reporter, Trump mocked a disabled reporter, Gianforte body slammed a reporter and was found guilty of assault and even with a conviction was elected anyway. 

Trump uses demeaning and mocking language over any critics regardless of their background. He bullies and uses name calling as a means of using a dog whistle to signal his followers to adopt his incivil childish bullying attitude.

The Charlottesville rally that caused the death of Heather Heyer and Trump even then failed to decry the Nazis and right wing extremists that caused it or the tiki torch march.

Trump going back years and years and years has openly been vile and incivil. Trashing women repeatedly from Rosie, to Mika, to Megyn, to Waters, to Warren and the list is enormous. His Hollywood access tape is the real Trump. 

The increase in anti=semitism with right wing nazi vandalism of synagogues. Convictions against some who have vandalized or attacked mosques. The daily ramping up of verbal attacks against any foreigners, especially Mexicans and Latinos.

America is not Great Again, it has been ripped apart by a man deliberately tearing it apart to serve himself. Trump was never a public servant, he will never be a public servant.

Trumpers got totally scammed and they go along for the ride because no one is stopping Trump so why would they stop their own incivility. Trump has made being uncivil normalized so why the right wing goes at it they really should look in the mirror.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
7.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  freepress @7    8 years ago

Good summary of this fool and his followers. 

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
Professor Quiet
7.2  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  freepress @7    8 years ago
The daily ramping up of verbal attacks against any foreigners, especially Mexicans and Latinos.

There is something that has gone viral (2 million views and climbing) regarding just that.  A woman here accused a naturally born Latino landscaper of being a drug dealer, rapist, and an animal.  He also got in the mother's face telling her to go back to Mexico.  She is your typical trump-bot parroting Trump, using his words.  This so called "rapist/drug dealer/animal is a systems administrator and graduate of Cal State Polytechnic University-Pomona CA.  I doubt if she went past high school.

 
 

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