China Claims to Have a Real-Deal Laser Gun That Inflicts 'Instant Carbonization' of Human Skin
As the U.S. prepares for war in space, China’s bringing the space war home. Its ZKZM-500 laser assault rifle is reportedly capable of hitting a target from a kilometer away, igniting flammable objects, and burning through human skin. And it’s ready for production, the researchers behind the project claim.
A weapon that fires a destructive laser beam has been a dream of military researchers for decades. The US military has recently had some luck with huge laser-firing cannons that are intended to be mounted on ships or trucks and can take down a drone by burning through its body. But effective laser rifles for use by individual soldiers have been stuck in the land of fantasy. The South China Morning Post, however, spoke with researchers at the Xian Institute of Optics and Precision Mechanics (at the Chinese Academy of Sciences) who say they have developed a powerful laser rifle that will soon be in the hands of Chinese police who focus on anti-terrorism. From the report:
The 15mm calibre weapon weighs three kilos (6.6lb), about the same as an AK-47, and has a range of 800 metres, or half a mile, and could be mounted on cars, boats and planes...
In the event of a hostage situation it could be used to fire through windows at targets and temporarily disable the kidnappers while other units move in to rescue their captives.
It could also be used in covert military operations. The beam is powerful enough to burn through a gas tank and ignite the fuel storage facility in a military airport.
The gun is entirely silent and its beam is invisible, the vivid report alleges. A target wouldn’t know what’s happening, apparently, until a hole burned through their clothes in the blink of an eye and their skin and tissue experienced “instant carbonization” that, in the best case scenario, would leave a permanent scar. One researcher told the Morning Post that “the pain will be beyond endurance.” If the unfortunate target happened to be wearing flammable clothing, they could go up in flames, according to the report.
At $15,000-a-piece, the ZKZM-500 sounds relatively inexpensive, especially if you consider that it doesn’t require traditional ammunition. The weapon’s lithium battery can apparently handle over 1,000 laser bursts that last around two seconds each. But even though that cost would be feasible for some civilians, the technology is expected to be restricted for military and police use only.
Even that level of use could face pushback from other countries. As the Morning Postpoints out, the United Nations Protocol on Blinding Laser Weapons came into force in 1998 and has been signed by 108 nations around the world. It bans the use of weapons that are specifically designed to cause permanent blindness, but as part of the Convention on Certain Conventional Weapons, it lacks any real mechanisms for enforcement.
While hostage and anti-terrorist situations are being discussed as the most likely scenarios for these weapons to be used in the short-term, a promotional document uploaded to a Chinese government website and seen by the Morning Post also highlights its potential for use against “illegal protests.” China’s grip on the internet has tightened over recent years, making it more difficult to organize dissent. Going from firewalls to setting people on fire would be quite the escalation in the country’s high-tech war on its own people.
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We may spend four times as much as China on military, but they apparently know how to do some things that we can't figure out. In my mind, this could be a paradigm shift in weaponry.
The US has had this kind of technology for some time now. Goggle and Bing are your friends.
Then why don't you "goggle" and bing some evidence of your claim? From the article:
A weapon that fires a destructive laser beam has been a dream of military researchers for decades. The US military has recently had some luck with huge laser-firing cannons that are intended to be mounted on ships or trucks and can take down a drone by burning through its body. But effective laser rifles for use by individual soldiers have been stuck in the land of fantasy.
It's made in China. What happens after the third time you pull the trigger? BOOOIIIING! Sorry, I couldn't resist.
Then there's nothing to worry about, eh?
I wonder how long that takes. I mean, you could claim the same thing about a magnifying glass.
The key is that it is silent, invisible, and instantaneous. This is just the tip of this iceberg. Just imagine the realm of potential innovations to such a terror. You've probably seen the footage of Chinese CCTV cameras that identify numerous people simultaneously by facial recognition technology in real time. Imagine if that were combined with an advanced multi laser weapon. You could shut down any opposition movement. This is the stuff of science fiction.
Sounds like the phasers the Star Trek crew used
Those tin foil hats that were so popular a few years back may come in handy yet.
Yes, thankfully Hydra's plot was foiled by Cap.
In all seriousness, that would be a scary thought.
That's my question. I didn't see anything in the story that says it "instantaneously" burned through fuel tanks or human flesh.
Relatively instantaneous might be a better description. If you can’t see it, and you can’t hear it, then it could easily be trained on you for at least two seconds. It would be terrifying once you start feeling it. You sure as hell aren’t going to be able to stay calm and effectively carry out your mission.
It's not instantaneous or they wouldn't have mentioned 2 second bursts.
Not surprising. China has been investing a lot in ''space age'' weapons. They unveiled a missile last year that is inexpensive to produce has a 1,000 mile range and is dubbed ''Carrier Killer''...as in aircraft carrier.
Now they only need to figure out how to mount them onto sharks and we're all screwed
Nope, pigeons are the key, greater range harder to hit and if the laser misses they simple shit on your head.
I agree and pigeons are highly expendable as well, however that brings in the miniaturization aspect (although I also fully sp strapping full size models to their heads and launching them off bldgs and such). How about a compromise? Sharks now, pigeons later.
OK a compromise. Or we could have an Shark navy and a Pigeon Air Force. Both pretty deadly.
My pigeon will be named Cher Ami...a name with historical meaning to the US.
We need a ground hog army
Issue pocket mirrors, stat!
Well, having issues getting the pic uploaded. URL will have to suffice. Regardless, MJ, sporting the new fatigues.
"Cher ami- CYBORG ." Watch out falcons and hawks. This high-tech pigeon ain't a day's ration!
Love it.
But where are the Marines?
Where did you find that?
being invisible takes all the fun out of it.
Amazing it is! Yet another wrinkle in the expressions:
Imagine how much a true weapon of PEACE could cost: PRICELESS. If all the big brains in the world would escalate world-wide peace instead of "I come in peace."
Just my imagination. . . carry on!
So.....the victim would need to stand still for 2 seconds for a tiny patch of skin to be "instantly carbonized".
Sounds like media hype not reality.
If this is true, I imagine that it would be hard to concentrate on an offensive while being burned from half a mile away. If the day ever comes when this is a reality, it will be a game changer.
Hal,
If that should happen to one soldier, others would put in the call for artillery on the source, or even a couple of WP rounds. BOOM, no more laser and the operators would then find out what it really feels like to have something burn a hole all the way through them.
It wouldn’t be one soldier. It would be as many as can be sited on. Imagine a whole front line thrown off their game by lasers from dozens of different locations, in a silent attack that we wouldn’t see even as it happens.
Yep. What is needed is a really big hole all the way through, say like something that would be made by a 7.62 NATO round. Also, laser beams can be attenuated by even a thin smoke screen. Beat those obstacles and you might actually have a usable weapon.
Used to fire that back in the 80's, flew straight, fast and had lots of put down power, good ammo.
Only helps if you are expecting the attack. Also, even a thin smoke screen has the problem of possibly giving your location away for aerial attacks, so you can't keep it up indefinitely.
It may not require a full two seconds to be effective - and a two second burst makes it easier to hit a target, if it does not need the full two seconds.
Look at it this way - if this hypothetical weapon had enough power to "instantly carbonize skin" despite the severe dispersion rate of lasers in the air, that feat would need to be accomplished in roughly 15 milliseconds before the target's haptic system had reacted and caused the target to move. That means you just wasted 99.25% of the available power by continuing to needlessly power the laser for another 1,985 ms.......which means your already enormous battery will be 132 times as big and as heavy as it actually needs to be. You'd need an entire platoon just to lift the darn thing.
I have a laser that can read barcodes from up to 50 feet away. It is far more useful and profitable.
I read the posted seed.
I am not current on developments regarding this form of weaponry.
I am unable to comment on specifics.
For some time I am not alone in concern over development and the manufacturing of times necessary for the national defense.
One worry is that others will be able to out gun us with superior weaponry.
Another is our growing dependence on non allies, even if trading partners for making of the tools of defense and spare parts.
It is in our best interest militarily to bring home manufacturing jobs directly materially, even if more expensive than buying over seas.
We need what we need here for national defense.
Having high paid jobs to re-invigorate the middle class in new product and service development, manufacturing, sales and distribution is gravy of the mashed potatoes too.
Enoch.
That thought occurred to me yesterday when I read another article about ramping up tank production in Lima, Ohio. The military isn’t asking for more tanks, this administration is just commissioning hundreds of millions of dollars worth of them them “to keep people employed”. The new ones will go sit with thousands of others in a huge storage yard somewhere. Yet we’ve sold many to our allies as well. Once they have no incentive to remain our allies, thanks to the policies of this backwards administration, we have potentially armed our future enemies with our own superior weaponry.
The issue is just how easy is it to reverse engineer a desirable 'interest'? We have all seen the movies where the "AI" finds its emergence through a series of direct and targeted questions. Eureka!
Third-world nations need help to get started and maintain going, but like each individual 'babe' which can hit the ground running, it stretches itself to develop and "grow up" too. As each nation's capacity increases, capability does likewise, and national character reshapes itself in any myriad of scenarios. The 'child' is emergent and it wants to venture into the surrounding world of its giants. The 'child' says with glee, "Look Mom and Dad at what I can do!" "Soon, I will leave you, and go become all that I can be!"
It is the age old question and concern: How to train up a 'child,' giving him or her the best that you've got, only to have that 'child' become dark and foreboding once you look away or it runs away! "Eat the Teacher" is real!
Science calls bullshit on China's 'AK-47 laser gun'
Forgive me for beginning this with a personal anecdote but (grabs chair, spins it around, sits on it backwards like a "cool pastor") I remember when I was a kid pretending that I had a laser gun. I ran around the backyard yelling PEW PEW PEW and pointing a stick at squirrels. I'm not alone in this fascination with lasers: they have long been in the public realm of consciousness as a futuristic weapon. But, much like flying cars, they have yet to come to pass.
Until (drum roll, please) now.
According to the South China Morning Post , the Chinese army has developed the ZKZM-500, a laser so powerful that it (allegedly) can "instantly carbonize" your skin from a kilometer away. It is (they say) capable of a thousand two-second shots in one charge of its lithium-ion battery (not dissimilar, although one can imagine bigger, to the battery that charges your iPhone).
Sound scary? It should. And there's a reason for that: the weapon most likely doesn't exist. The physics are practically impossible. Realistically, the battery alone would have to weigh several hundred pounds to provide the energy needed to fire a hot laser beam a kilometer. Not only that, the beam itself would have a hard time once it left the gun. As the beam passes through the air—and more importantly, the water molecules in the air—the 'heat' of the beam would disseminate, rendering it little more than uncomfortably warm if fired anywhere further than the width of an average living room. A far cry from the "instant carbonization" threat that is, curiously, all over Twitter . As TechCrunch puts it :
The most the laser could do is harm your eyes, as your eyes can fail from an overload of light, which a handheld laser could provide. But, again, this is a very, very long stretch from hilarious lines like this, from Business Insider Australia (of all places):
And then there's this doozy, from the same article:
The verdict? It's probably a press release designed to instill fear in opponents of the Chinese government (right down to the mention of 'illegal protests'). The very idea of an invisible laser that can set you on fire is much more effective than the actual implementation of the weapon itself, because the only thing scarier than this gun is the idea of getting shot by it. In the wise words of my old English professor: "If you heard a rumor that your landlord had a shotgun, you'd sure as shit pay your rent on time."
As Xi Jinping clings on to power by any means necessary , it should surprise nobody that dubiously worded claims about futuristic weapons are being bandied about like drunken boasts at a frat-party. Consider the timing of this news, just a week or two after President Trump began rambling publically about his proposed 'Space Force'.
Besides, the prototype looks almost exactly like the laser gun from Akira :
I hope you’re right. I wouldn’t be surprised if similar things were said about the invention of the microwave oven prior to its reveal. Recently we witnessed SpaceX simultaneously land two reusable rockets upright and on target. Science sometimes surprises even the most intelligent of us.
True, and I agree it is not wise to shut things out of the realm of possibility.
Sometimes we need to balance claims vs future possibilities.
I do know from a battery technology perspective the Goodenough-Barga technology has a very good potential when compared to LI to make something like this more feasible. Unfortunately recent technical updates on the G-B tech progress has all but stopped after China began making similar clams when back when Dr. Goodenough, Professor Barga and UT were more open to announcing progress. When the B-G team closed down their outside memos, China went dark on these claims. So, who is to know if China had enough to go on their own or if they are still waiting on more technical info from the G-B team?
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