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American boat makers feel the crunch from Trump tariffs

  

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Via:  kavika  •  8 years ago  •  40 comments

American boat makers feel the crunch from Trump tariffs

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August 04, 2018 12:10 PM

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Kavika
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1  seeder  Kavika     8 years ago

This article is centered mostly on the boat export market, the domestic market is going to suffer as well. 

The biggest builder of aluminum boats in the world is Tracker Marine headquartered in Springfield MO. and with plants in Lebanon and Bolivar MO. Two more plants in Arkansas and one is Oklahoma.

Lowe Boats and G3 also build boats in Missouri. 

We are a very water oriented state with boating being a huge industry here. 

In addition to boats the docks, boat lifts and parts for engines and electronics will be affected by the price increase in aluminum and steel. 

Mercury outboards are used almost exclusivity on Tracker and other boat companies owned by Tracker. (Ranger Bass Boats, Nitro, Tahoe, Mako, Sun Tracker, Regency)

Increase in their prices will be passed on to Tracker and in turn the buyer.

 
 
 
MrFrost
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2  MrFrost    8 years ago

There are many industries that are paying the price for trump stroking his own ego. 

 
 
 
Kavika
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2.1  seeder  Kavika   replied to  MrFrost @2    8 years ago
There are many industries that are paying the price for trump stroking his own ego

Yes there are MrFrost. I'm posted a few other articles about those industries and how they are paying the price. 

I've got two more than I'll post in the next day or so about other industries that are being hurt by the tariffs.

 
 
 
Skrekk
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2.1.1  Skrekk  replied to  Kavika @2.1    8 years ago

I heard that the tariffs are killing the GOP in Iowa, with GOP enthusiasm for the midterm elections down 35% and the Dems up 150%.

 
 
 
Kavika
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2.1.2  seeder  Kavika   replied to  Skrekk @2.1.1    8 years ago

If I remember correctly you live in WI...The message that Mercury Marine put out should make people in WI, especially Fond du Lac take notice. 

The mid terms are going to be interesting to say the least.

 
 
 
MrFrost
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2.1.3  MrFrost  replied to  Kavika @2.1    8 years ago

I will look for the articles when I can. Busy this time of year... But here is a good one to look at. 

 
 
 
Kavika
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2.1.4  seeder  Kavika   replied to  MrFrost @2.1.3    8 years ago

I'm sure that these corporations are going to feel some pain. The ones that don't have the resources or ability to move off shore like the boat industry, fishing industry, dairy farmers etc are the ones that are going to really feel the pain and many will not survive if the trade war goes on for any length of time.

 
 
 
Skrekk
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2.1.5  Skrekk  replied to  Kavika @2.1.2    8 years ago
The message that Mercury Marine put out should make people in WI, especially Fond du Lac take notice. 

One of my old caver buddies used to work there but lost his engineering job some years ago when Mercury started outsourcing to China.    Too bad because he's a very talented engineer but he's politically crazy as a loon and I can guarantee that he voted for Trump and believes every RWNJ conspiracy theory.   I have no doubt he's a Qanon follower.

 
 
 
Kavika
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2.1.6  seeder  Kavika   replied to  Skrekk @2.1.5    8 years ago
Too bad because he's a very talented engineer but he's politically crazy as a loon and I can guarantee that he voted for Trump and believes every RWNJ conspiracy theory.   I have no doubt he's a Qanon follower.

LOL, that's quite the description. 

Mercury built there up to 60HP in China and everything else is built in here (WI)...A 25% tariff on a Merc 60HP 4 stroke would price it way out of the market.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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3  Bob Nelson    8 years ago

Has anyone figured out which sectors are improving, thanks to the trade war?

I'm seeing quite a few that have been hurt, but none that are flourishing.

 
 
 
Kavika
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3.1  seeder  Kavika   replied to  Bob Nelson @3    8 years ago

I'm not sure but I believe that the US steel and alum companies are since they are raising their prices and and cannot meet the demand..The alum boat industry was experiencing a shortage before the tariffs and per the article some boat builders are expecting a 20 to 30% increase when they renew their contract. 

 
 
 
Ender
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3.1.1  Ender  replied to  Kavika @3.1    8 years ago

What I was thinking about, and I could be wrong, (wouldn't be the first time) companies had basically a choice. US steel/aluminum was more expensive so companies looked elsewhere. It was cheaper to buy say steel/aluminum from China (or elsewhere), so they did so. US companies could not match the prices.

IMO that seems like open commerce. Something conservatives say should be allowed. But now they are saying that a company should buy a product from the US and they will raise the prices of the competition.

As the price for the US goods cost more and now the price of imports cost more, either way the ones that will ultimately pay more will be the US consumer.

 
 
 
Kavika
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3.1.2  seeder  Kavika   replied to  Ender @3.1.1    8 years ago
As the price for the US goods cost more and now the price of imports cost more, either way the ones that will ultimately pay more will be the US consumer.

There you go Ender...The boat industry uses domestic alum almost exclusively and were experiencing shortages from US alum companies before the tariffs. Now the US companies are raising their prices and with the tariffs the manufacturer is caught in the middle. 

Prices will go up and that boat/engine/electronics are going to cost more, period.

 

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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3.1.3  Bob Nelson  replied to  Kavika @3.1.2    8 years ago
Prices will go up and that boat/engine/electronics are going to cost more, period.

It will take a while for the ripples to move through the economy. "Protected" industries - steel and aluminum - will do well, initially of course.

But I'm not sure how things will go if the tariffs remain. At what point, for example, will boat-builders move to carbon-fiber or whatever?

Will the rise in finished product prices be acceptable to final customers, or will they go to alternative products?

Wait and see.....

 
 
 
Kavika
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3.1.4  seeder  Kavika   replied to  Bob Nelson @3.1.3    8 years ago
It will take a while for the ripples to move through the economy. "Protected" industries - steel and aluminum - will do well, initially of course.

That is what is happening right now. 

 
 
 
dave-2693993
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4  dave-2693993    8 years ago

Kavika, what options do you see for the boat industry?

One Aus APBA boat racer I worked with was open to alternate materials for some components that had been steel, alloy and brass, but for other reasons.

I am not familiar with boats in general, so not sure of cost implications by switching to composites.

 
 
 
Kavika
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4.1  seeder  Kavika   replied to  dave-2693993 @4    8 years ago

I'm not sure dave, but in the case of Tracker Marine they make thousands of alum boats and I have no idea what they could use beside alum. Their fiberglass boats (nitro, ranger, tahoe) are a hell of a lot more expense...

I think that they may be caught in a bind without much of an alternative.

 
 
 
dave-2693993
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4.1.1  dave-2693993  replied to  Kavika @4.1    8 years ago

I imagine any kind of a move like that would fall under long term planning. I wouldn't know how to project the costs and prices differences if composites became core to higher volume production.

I think I have said it before, this tariff situation seems a result of using radio talk show and late night tv talk show hosts as subject matter experts.

 
 
 
charger 383
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6  charger 383    8 years ago

The tariffs should help restore American production of steel and aluminum, when we can get that back costs of materials we should be making here will be lower   

 
 
 
Kavika
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6.1  seeder  Kavika   replied to  charger 383 @6    8 years ago
The tariffs should help restore American production of steel and aluminum, when we can get that back costs of materials we should be making here will be lower

I don't see that happening charger. Both the steel industry and alum industry (US) have raised their prices. I don't see them every lowering their prices unless there is competition and right now there isn't any competition for them with the tariffs on imported steel and alum.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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6.1.1  Bob Nelson  replied to  Kavika @6.1    8 years ago
I don't see that happening charger. Both the steel industry and alum industry (US) have raised their prices. I don't see them every lowering their prices unless there is competition and right now there isn't any competition for them with the tariffs on imported steel and alum.

Gosh, K! Are you saying that corporations might take the money and run?

I'm shocked! Shocked, I tell you!

 
 
 
lib50
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6.2  lib50  replied to  charger 383 @6    8 years ago

But more jobs will be lost, and the impact on the economy devastating.  And its not just me. The small number of jobs added are dwarfed by the jobs lost in other parts of the economy.  And consumers are hurt by all of it with higher prices. 

Overall, though, most economists say the Trump tariffs are bad for the American economy, and for American workers.

Nobel Prize-winning Yale economist Robert Shiller told CNBC that Trump’s tariffs are “too crazy” to last for the long haul. “They are generating so much anger around the world. It’s not a sustainable policy.”

In a recent op-ed for USA Today , George Mason University economics professor Donald J. Boudreaux wrote that Trump is “dead wrong” that tariffs on imports like steel and aluminum would strengthen national security. “The tariffs will weaken the United States, protect jobs in inefficient industries while preventing job growth in efficient ones, and harm relationships with our allies,” Boudreaux explained.
 
 
 
Kavika
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6.2.2  seeder  Kavika   replied to    8 years ago

Who is we, your company or the US?

The administration had to come up with a $12 billion bailout for farmers. The fishing industry is having a huge problem as are other industries...

 
 
 
Kavika
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6.2.5  seeder  Kavika   replied to    8 years ago

I'm sure that there will be.

 
 
 
Kavika
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6.2.6  seeder  Kavika   replied to    8 years ago

Lobster fisherman in Maine and Florida are being hurt because of the tariffs and well as the fishing industry in Alaska. 

 
 

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