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What Trump Doesn't Understand About NFL Player Protests

  

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Via:  tessylo  •  8 years ago  •  179 comments

What Trump Doesn't Understand About NFL Player Protests

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What Trump doesn't understand about NFL player protests



  David Knowles   1 hour 59 minutes ago  







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lennylynx
Sophomore Silent
2  lennylynx    8 years ago

First of all, taking a knee is a sign of reverence, a show of respect.  Players kneel when one of their own gets seriously injured.  Soldiers take a knee in front of a fallen brother's grave.  It's a lot like flying a flag at half mast in the wake of a tragedy.  In this case, the tragedy is the unjustified killings of citizens by the police.  These players are simply showing solidarity with those who were unjustly killed.  Even if you don't agree that this is worth protesting, those who do are not, in any way, disrespecting the flag, the anthem, or the country.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
2.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  lennylynx @2    8 years ago

First of all, taking a knee is a sign of reverence, a show of respect. 

Kaepernick explicitly said the opposite. But white liberals have decided what the protest  really means, so who really cares that what the black man who started the protested thinks, right? 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
2.1.2  Sean Treacy  replied to  Tessylo @2.1.1    8 years ago

One of your better supported arguments yet! Such intricate reasoning and well marshaled facts!

Seriously, why are you afraid to let him speak for himself?  Is he not smart enough? Does he lack agency? Do you know better than he does why he knelt??

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
2.1.5  Sean Treacy  replied to  Tessylo @2.1.3    8 years ago

Read what you wrote again. You are almost there. Focus on this part:

"I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country." 

He refused to stand because he did not want to “show pride in a flag for a country.” That’s what he said. Why  Kaepernick’s believes the country and flag don't deserve his respect is beside the point. In his own words, he choose to kneel during the anthem to  disrespect the flag and the country it symbolizes. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
2.1.7  Sean Treacy  replied to  Tessylo @2.1.6    8 years ago

Your own citation proved my point.  Maybe you should read it again.

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
Senior Silent
2.1.17  Colour Me Free  replied to    8 years ago
As white conservatives have summarily dismissed the protest by wrapping themselves in the flag, conveniently ignoring the point.

Nothing like a sweeping generalization early in the morning : )

As a "white, somewhat conservative" I did not know what Kaepernick's sitting on the bench even meant that first night, and if I recall correctly neither did the announcers of that game … so then Kaepernick later took a knee - by this time most people had gotten the memo that this action was a protest of police shooting unarmed black men .. that turned into a competition to see which teams players could make the biggest PRODUCTION on the field of their protest against the flag, in protest against bad cops shooting black men ….. (Seattle did a nice job as a team, by standing together and locking arms as a show of unison support for the cause - I did not hear any backlash about their actions)

Simply my position, but I do not think that protesting a serious matter such as the shooting of unarmed black men by police officers .. should have ever become a show for the camera … Sorry razing, but the message got lost in the shuffle of "oneupsmanship"...!  I quit watching football .. Directv lost a Sunday Ticket customer ...

It is far more than "white conservatives" that have an issue with what many see as disrespect for the flag - there is NO need to wrap oneself in it to have missed the 'point' that Kaepernick was flailing to make...  He lost my support when as a role model to young people and an influence in many of their lives with his protest, chose not to use his voice in the form of a vote...!

Hope life in the southwestern heat is treating you well...

Peace....

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
Senior Silent
2.1.20  Colour Me Free  replied to    8 years ago
Like it or not, there is systemic discrimination in this country and both sides have done a poor job in addressing the core issues, playing to emotions instead.

Could not agree more … as long as that systemic discrimination is seen as 'being part of the nations DNA' [is that an excuse or a reason?  sounds so written in stone] there can never be addressing of the core issues nor change... the metered disproportion will continue. 

The so called discussing / talking I see happening is at each other, not to each other.. [in one ear and out the other - kinda thing] 

Thanks for lending me your soapbox...

Anytime … Soapbox loves a good work out in the morning : )

broad enough strokes this morning?

Awww but NO one can blend so many colors in one brush stroke like you can... : )

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
Senior Silent
2.1.22  Colour Me Free  replied to    8 years ago
True progress is a slow process and takes uncommon leadership and a willingness to truly listen for us to come a little closer.

Amen!  

Yet sadly - blame is the name of the game … there seems to be no way to escape it, blame dominates most every issue the United States [hell, even the world] is facing.  If everyone involved in the conversation comes to the table on the defensive for fear of being blamed .. they are already distracted and the conversation is going nowhere rather quickly...

 
 
 
JumpDrive
Freshman Silent
2.1.23  JumpDrive  replied to  Sean Treacy @2.1    8 years ago
I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color.

Conservatives seem to be confused by pride and respect. When a kid does something wrong, the parent is not proud, but neither does the parent disrespect the kid. The parent points out the problem. This is what players are doing; why is this so difficult to comprehend?

 
 
 
Jack_TX
Professor Quiet
2.2  Jack_TX  replied to  lennylynx @2    8 years ago
First of all, taking a knee is a sign of reverence, a show of respect.

In football, taking a knee is the universal declaration of inactivity.  It announces to everyone that you intend to do nothing.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
Professor Quiet
2.2.2  Jack_TX  replied to  Tessylo @2.2.1    8 years ago
Which means what?

Which means the players intend to do nothing.  Which means they don't actually give a shit about whatever they're "protesting".  

This is not how wealthy, prominent, influential, college-educated men affect change on matters they find important.   It is not how any of these men have ever pursued any goal about which they actually cared.  They didn't win the starting job on their HS team by "taking a knee".  They didn't win a college scholarship by "taking a knee".  They didn't make the NFL by "taking a knee".  They achieved those things through dynamic action and enormous amounts of off-the-field effort.

If they really gave a shit about police brutality, they would pick up the phone and call the mayors of their cities and the governors of their states (who would GLADLY take the call).  They would convince those people (it would take less than 30 seconds) to host symposiums and conferences where LEOs would analyze successful cities and form a set of universal best practices.  They would urge legislation mandating those best practices, and demand measurable goals for improvement.

If they really gave a shit about social injustice, they would be using their platform to talk about how minority kids make up 37% of high school students overall, but only 18% of those who pass AP exams.  They would be talking and Tweeting about the fact that black kids average 177 points lower on the SAT than white kids, and they would be meeting with Governors to demand action.

Now...the idea that exercising the very first right represented by our flag is somehow disrespectful to it ranks among the top 3 idiotic notions not actually supported by Bernie Sanders.

But if the players don't give a shit about their own "protest", why would I?   (It isn't a protest, BTW.  Protests have concrete demands which, if met, end the protest.  This is a "tantrum".)

 
 
 
Jack_TX
Professor Quiet
2.2.4  Jack_TX  replied to  Tessylo @2.2.3    8 years ago

Riiiiight.

So do tell.  Where is all this other activity taking place?  

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
4  JohnRussell    8 years ago
The NFL’s overall ratings in 2017 were down less than overall decline for broadcast TV as a whole.  Audiences are down for every kind of broadcast medium. It’s absurd to think that the protests during the anthem have caused this. All you need to do is look one sport over. Look at NASCAR, where everybody does stand for the anthem and there’s a pre-race prayer. Their ratings are down horrendously.There are so many reasons for the NFL’s ratings decline, but the protests during the anthem are certainly not a primary contributing factor.

Oh my. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
4.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @4    8 years ago

Except the NFL, with access to all the data,  believes differently. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
4.1.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @4.1    8 years ago

People stream games onto their phone. People go to sports bars and a hundred of people will all watch one tv. 

Broadcast ratings will never be what they once were. 

Who cares anyway? It is still the most popular sport on tv. 

Trump made a big deal out of it to appeal to his "base" and to distract from his tsunami of other problems. 

 
 
 
cjfrommn
Professor Silent
4.2  cjfrommn  replied to  JohnRussell @4    8 years ago

well sadly people dont care to remember that the ratings as of right now do not cover all forms of media that can be used NOW a days to view the NFL. And lets not forget about the tragic and horrible events that have occurred that includes fires, storms , hurricanes and tornadoes.

In the end, there are too many ways to watch anything you want. But tv contracts are already paid out its the stadium money that matters and i have found the faithful fan will watch live in person if they can afford too anyday vs watching there home team on tv.

SKOL VIKINGS!!

 
 
 
livefreeordie
Junior Silent
9  livefreeordie    8 years ago

Who cares about these ungrateful primadonnas

i stopped watching football and basketball in 1990. I stopped watching baseball in 2008

none of them are worth it

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
9.1  JohnRussell  replied to  livefreeordie @9    8 years ago

Things are only worth it to the people that enjoy them. I think video games are boring, but millions are going to keep playing them. The major league baseball teams that are contenders draw 30,000 people or so to every game. 

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
9.2  JBB  replied to  livefreeordie @9    8 years ago

Who has time for sports or time with family and friends when you can be on NT all the time spouting off?

 
 
 
livefreeordie
Junior Silent
9.2.1  livefreeordie  replied to  JBB @9.2    8 years ago

Not me. I come here in spurts. Next week I will traveling out of the US and won’t even think about this site

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
Professor Quiet
9.2.3  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  livefreeordie @9.2.1    8 years ago
I come here in spurts.

Badump bump...

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Guide
10  Tacos!    8 years ago
This began with Colin Kaepernick protesting social injustice . . . It was in no way any kind of protest against the military or anything of that nature.

That's clearly not true. If it were true then he could do it at some time other than the two minutes set aside to honor the country and the military. He could do it when teams are being introduced. He could do it during the coin toss. He could do it at halftime. He could do it instead of playing a series of downs. He could do it after the game. 

When he chooses to do it is every bit as important and telling as what it is he is protesting. He even said so. Message received. Sorry if whiny babies don't like the reaction. Too bad.

 
 
 
charger 383
Professor Silent
12  charger 383    8 years ago

It started because Kaperneck  was pouting over being benched

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
Senior Silent
12.2  Colour Me Free  replied to  charger 383 @12    8 years ago

Kaepernick chose to be a free agent.

SANTA CLARA, Calif. -- For the first time in his NFL career, quarterback Colin Kaepernick will be a free agent.
Kaepernick is planning to opt out of the final season of his contract with the San Francisco 49ers on Thursday, a source told ESPN's Adam Schefter.

 
 
 
cjfrommn
Professor Silent
13  cjfrommn    8 years ago

i read a lot of the comments here and just have to shake my head at how entitled some comments make the ones that posted them appear. 

these comments about kap and how his protest is not what it is. or how he shouldn't have started this because he is a football player and should do it on his own time. 

your comments expose just how disconnected you appear vs the reality of how some of your fellow citizens are treated. 

kap and those who do kneel are the reminder to white people that shit still happens to black people just because they are black. 

sure it makes people uncomfortable and sure its annoying when white folks have to be reminded that a few cops act badily and another one was caught on tape. 

But whats worse is shown right here by the response of some posting that just keep the wall up about not having to actually reflect on how it would suck to be a person who had to deal with unnecessary violence just because you are different. 

thats this disconnect. 

one of the best things that has exposed these bad acting cops is video. And now it is a choice for some white folks to either ACKNOWLEDGE how shitty is has to be to be a black man that ends up dead over a parking citation. There is a disconnect for some white folks who choose not to acknowledge how shitty it is because they dont have too. they dont have to worry about the one bad racist minded cop out of the good ones that decides to escalate a interaction with a citizen just because that person is black. 

in many situations good cops dont have the power in there own police depts to effect change. And that makes the actions of bad cops stand out more because the changes needed cant be seen even with the positive efforts of those cops that WOULD try to change that culture. 

There is nothing wrong with having the life you have and living the way some people do that allows for the reality of police brutality to not effect them. i surely am not suggesting that is the problem. i mean why should it matter, when a lot of folks who are far away from having to worry if someone they love wont make it home because a racist acting cops is scared of them. or the phone call of a loved one is in the hospital over being tazed by aggressive cops over a handicap parking spot. 

it is all about taking the time to reflect on the what if. And due to the credit of video a lot of white people have, they have stood up and joined marches and demanded change in the culture of there own local police depts. But until you can recognize how you live sitting at your computer typing away about why cap is wrong, stop. 

take a moment and check yourself based on what are the core values we teach kids in america, that every one is equal under the eyes of the law. That police officers are your friends and everyone is treated the same way and afforded the same rights under the law. 

So lets give it a try, so you might be able to get a understanding on how frustrating it would be to run into that racist cop.

what if a cop doesnt like your last name and each time a member of your house leaves, they come home complaining about this one cop. But with no video your neighbors dont believe you and think you are being too sensitive because the cops do a great job.   what if there was a cop that didnt like the address of your house, so each time you left your house and he noticed you, he would pull you over and run your plate and waste your time. And then when you went to the police station to talk with a supervisor they turned you away because they say you had to have done something for that officer to stop you each time. 

my point is that yes there are good cops that do the job by the book and legally. But the few bad ones exist and they are real and disregard the book. and they disregard the procedures and polices. and they disregard the discipline we expect of them, just because they DO  believe black people are not equal or worthy enough to invoke the legal standards or professionalism afforded to whites. 

and if once a week on a national viewed opportunity a few players choose to remind there fellow citizens that there other fellow citizens are dying, assaulted ,bruised , injured by racist acting cops , i can appreciate that effort. 

 
 
 
charger 383
Professor Silent
14  charger 383    8 years ago

Any NFL player protesting is just ungrateful and insulting the fans that pay his big salary   

 
 
 
Galen Marvin Ross
Sophomore Quiet
14.1  Galen Marvin Ross  replied to  charger 383 @14    8 years ago

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